CHOOSE YOUR OWWN III - Game Thread

[WildZoo]

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I just noticed @WildZoo is using the graph I made without giving me credit
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I gave you credit to everyone who asked me about it!

 

[WildZoo]

If you ISO Woxy here, there's almost exclusively discussion of googate participants, and this weird progression where he goes from saying he's interested in looking elsewhere from Lumi (though doesn't mention where) to going right back to favoring the Lumi vote today, despite the fact that nothing had really changed - Lumi hasn't come back, chaos had flipped scum as he expected. Not sure what caused that shift.

Also interested in mkg and True moving down into the POE without any posts made to or about them otherwise.

Spoiler

This feels like typical true to me? Anything specific that's standing out?

Did you ever expand on why you're so confident in your @Zenge142 read here?

^directed at Lumi calling Zenge a wolf

Well I guess I don't really know what I'm waiting for at this point
Vote lumi

Not great but I'd rather flip lumi first

^"not great" is referring to feelings about chaos

Feeling less confident about my lumi vote. Don't like the reveal/poem but I see the logic. Will likely shift tomorrow. Honestly don't know where to go next, not feeling good about chaos for obvious reasons but I don't know that that would be our best use of D1.

I think a couple people promised spreadsheets?

Oh and I'm tentatively feeling ok-ish about wonder given that everyone else has withdrawn their goo claims

^interesting given where Wonder is on the later reads list

I'm also not a fan of the consistent solid reads with no explanation. Or immediately clearing you for pushing them. But I don't know if that's actually AI

^referring to Lumi

Catching up, haven't ready anything since last night/early this morning. Did anything new happen?

I was ready to unyeet Lumi pending anything else happening today

I was tentatively ready to believe the motivation for fake claiming goo and defense via poetic first post. Didn't unyeet earlier because I also didn't like Lumi's consistent solid reads with little explanation so wanted to see what happened today.

Following bits are discussion (mostly with me) about whether the best plan is to vote chaos or wait:

I get that this is because voting him would switch him to scum, but how is that worse than say, waiting for a vig shot? Would at least be confirmed scum at that point, right? And the alternative is believing him after being caught in a lie.

Understood. But the end result is still the same? What I'm struggling to understand is that we either rely on a night vig tonight or end up having to vote down the line. If he is truly Judas then night vig can still shoot him or know that we will vote him out tomorrow. Either way, we end up voting for him at some point and/or using a vig shot.

Right but the same would happen if/when we are forced to decide down the line too

Unyeet lumi
yeet chaos

Haven't posted a full reads because so many of y'all are true neutrals that it's really not helpful. I'm fairly determined to vote a goonie today so it's pretty much between lumi and chaos since I feel somewhat more comfortable with wonder

^again mentions feeling comfortable with wonder

Rough, only ordered where there are obvious spaces

Village lean:
shorty
lawpy
PSV

Zenge

True neutrals:
Alley
Genny
True
WZ
Alissa
mkg

POE: some variation of Wonder, lumi, chaos

Missing:
Me - for obvious reasons but I stand by my bulletproof townie affiliation claim
Stagg - no posts

^so kind of surprised to see Wonder in the POE and no one else besides chaos and Lumi based on above statements

Very much struggling with reading comprehension today so I have to go through the thread more later but for now I'm thinking that I want to go back to my Lumi vote

^and then back to the Lumi vote despite earlier statements about moving away from it

Can someone who has played with Genny a lot more give some insight into these last few posts?

I suppose whether evasively sassy was normal

^included for fairness that he did mention someone else besides the goonies

This is largely from this morning and will take some major tweaking with more attention to player compatibilities because right now it's way too focused on overall tones. I think I'm also letting dead villagers' reads influence it too much. Village block is dead or stumped so these are all leans.

Blue Cheese
Zenge

DubZ

Carrots, Peeled
Vis
Wonder

MayTagg

Carrots, Unpeeled
Genny
Alley


Microwaved Eggs
True
MKG
Lumi

^current reads list

Spoiler

Mostly paranoia about how many people were feeling safe. I think I also mixed her and alissa up a couple times because rereading today I'm finding myself agreeing with a lot of alley's posts. I'm ready to peel her today.

^and response to me about alley

 

[WildZoo]

@SportPonies What more do you want me to do??

 

[WildZoo]

If you ISO Woxy here, there's almost exclusively discussion of googate participants, and this weird progression where he goes from saying he's interested in looking elsewhere from Lumi (though doesn't mention where) to going right back to favoring the Lumi vote today, despite the fact that nothing had really changed - Lumi hasn't come back, chaos had flipped scum as he expected. Not sure what caused that shift.

Also interested in mkg and True moving down into the POE without any posts made to or about them otherwise.

Spoiler

^directed at Lumi calling Zenge a wolf



^"not great" is referring to feelings about chaos



^interesting given where Wonder is on the later reads list

^referring to Lumi




Following bits are discussion (mostly with me) about whether the best plan is to vote chaos or wait:









^again mentions feeling comfortable with wonder

^so kind of surprised to see Wonder in the POE and no one else besides chaos and Lumi based on above statements

^and then back to the Lumi vote despite earlier statements about moving away from it



^included for fairness that he did mention someone else besides the goonies

^current reads list

^and response to me about alley

Some of the quotes got cropped so you'll have to follow the arrow to the original posts to see the reads lists

 

[Zenge142]

Also interested in mkg and True moving down into the POE without any posts made to or about them otherwise.

Well that's concerning

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
genny (1) - dubz
Lumi (1) - True
True (2) - alley, Zenge

4/11
yeet close in ~9.5 hours

 

[WildZoo]

Well that's concerning

Overall thoughts?

 

[WildZoo]

Also could you remind me of your current stance on mkg @Zenge142? Since you have that reading card I think?

 

[Zenge142]

Overall thoughts?

I do see what you’re saying. I can see the counter argument being that Goopocolypse shut down more engaged discussion. But the difference is sort of stark, and not lost on me. It’s not where I’ll vote today I don’t think, but it’s noteable.

Also could you remind me of your current stance on mkg @Zenge142? Since you have that reading card I think?

I don’t think I officially do. Let me ISO.

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

@Zenge142 BoWWling is not super helpful since I think Woxy's only vote was the initial joke vote on LaWWpy, but I'm still seeing more developed thoughts on a broader group of players than we've seen here, even just on day 1

Spoiler

^directed at AM



^these are hedgy but thoughts at least exist

Pulling Globe quotes next

Globe stuffs. The big thing for me here is the engagement/discussion about other options beyond the person who Woxy is directly voting for.

Spoiler

^directed at stoat



^referring to how he's feeling about stoat after a little while (this was still during d1)



^directed at me, sweeping stoat's genny vote

^referring to genny in the first two lines

^post-genny yeeting



^ Can't remember who this was directed at









^referring to PSV



^talking to samac about the Please and True wagons

^reasoning for feeling unsure about the Please wagon

Well when you put it like that

I stand by my reasoning but can obviously see your point. The difference is from me not flailing indecisively and actually having people that I had strong opinions on.

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

Also interested in mkg and True moving down into the POE without any posts made to or about them otherwise.

True largely due to being suspected by several now dead villagers. I've frequently struggled to read him so I'm going to be looking at him more critically.

Mkg more process of elimination after looking at who I felt vaguely ok with for now.

 

[WildZoo]

Well when you put it like that

I stand by my reasoning but can obviously see your point. The difference is from me not flailing indecisively and actually having people that I had strong opinions on.

What made you change your mind about moving away from Lumi? I know you said you didn't like the strong statements with little explanation, but even saying that, you were previously talking about looking elsewhere. What changed your mind?

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

What made you change your mind about moving away from Lumi? I know you said you didn't like the strong statements with little explanation, but even saying that, you were previously talking about looking elsewhere. What changed your mind?

Ope, sorry. Didn't realize you had so many thoughts in that spoiler.

^directed at Lumi calling Zenge a wol

Still stand by it as none of my concerns have been addressed. But lumi hasn't been around so 🤷‍♂️

^interesting given where Wonder is on the later reads list

^so kind of surprised to see Wonder in the POE and no one else besides chaos and Lumi based on above statements

Wasn't looking to move anyone involved in goo claims out of the POE until we had flipped at least one. Should I have kept wonder there? I guess not given that I believed their claim but I felt more comfortable grouping them all together for the time being.

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

What made you change your mind about moving away from Lumi? I know you said you didn't like the strong statements with little explanation, but even saying that, you were previously talking about looking elsewhere. What changed your mind?

Basically I keep waffling about whether I believe lumi's defense. I didn't like the fancy play, didn't like the reads, but there were some decent arguments in defense of the fake claim. In short: I was uncomfortable but willing to look elsewhere for the day. Aside from chaos though, I didn't have any strong scum feelings and there wasn't a whole lot of convincing conversation around anyone else either.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm probably going to be in a movie during vote close so if more people could bring it upon themselves to place a vote in the next few hours that would be cool.

 

[WildZoo]

unyeet genny yeet mkg

seeing how this feels

 

[Zenge142]

unyeet genny yeet mkg

seeing how this feels

Spoiler

Also could you remind me of your current stance on mkg @Zenge142? Since you have that reading card I think?

I don’t think I officially do. Let me ISO.

I've looked through MK's posts pretty thoroughly here, and England, and RvB, and Madagascar, a smol dabble into Bioshock, and I'm going to say I think she's most likely village. Or at least, I think her play this game is more representative of what I expect to see from her village meta.

 

[WildZoo]

Spoiler

I've looked through MK's posts pretty thoroughly here, and England, and RvB, and Madagascar, a smol dabble into Bioshock, and I'm going to say I think she's most likely village. Or at least, I think her play this game is more representative of what I expect to see from her village meta.

So much for my attempt to introduce a little spice into the day 😛
Not sure if I want to go back to genny though. Hmm hmm.

 

[WildZoo]

Well, maybe it's time to #sheepZenge

unyeet mkg, yeet True

 

[Viscernable]

All scum factions chose to frame True last night, rather than go for Lumi.

Even I realize this is a sarcastic joke, but what exactly are you saying with it? What do you think actually happened?

 

[Zenge142]

Well, maybe it's time to #sheepZenge

unyeet mkg, yeet True

Why True over genny?

 

[Viscernable]

I absolutely did not keep changing my story, this is pretty annoying to hear.

First explanation for the village shorty read:

My full thinking was that if she had the bad luck to rand three scum roles, I would expect her to pick a less-common variety so that she could kinda play like a neutral 3P and wolf hunt like normal, just like she did last game.

So if she got wolf wolf goon, I would expect her to pick goon.

Since she discarded goon, it feels like she'd have to get something like alien [other weird thing] goon

But mostly I was just picking over the rejections list and seeing if there was any crumb I could get out of it

That explanation doesn’t work:

I'm not sure I'm following. Alpha goon is a type of mafia role, and there are just about as many of those as wolf roles in the possibilities for this setup.

Ah, I see that now. I assumed there'd be less because of how wolf-centric these forums are, I forgot that we're not "normal" for that.

So we get this retroactive “well this was my real reasoning”:

That's fair. I suppose I should have just said what I was originally thinking:

"People like shorty who hate hate hate being scum start the game with village points in my books"

I get that they could have randed 3 scum options, it's just somewhere for my brain to start.

Immediately realizes this reasoning doesn’t actually track with him saying that shorty is village based on her discard, since her discard was scum:

I've actually come to a second, better realization:

I'm dumb, and had my logic backwards. People who hate being scum should primarily get credit if their discarded role is village, because that proves they had village as an option.

It reads to me like you got nervous about the first explanation being questioned and felt like you had to come up with a more believable one. Otherwise why not just say what you were “actually thinking” straight off the bat? And if what you were thinking straight off the bat was “shorty is likely village because I can’t see her choosing scum and she’s unlikely to have 3 scum cards”, what did it have to do with her discard? If what you were thinking was “shorty is likely village because she is unlikely to choose scum, and look she did discard a scum card so that feels like confirmation (since you’re more likely to get a mix of scum and village cards than all scum or all village)”, why did it take until right after giving the “well actually” explanation for you to see the hole in that when you’d already spent a while explaining your shorty read?

 

[Viscernable]

11 players, at least 4 of whom are killers. what are the odds the remaining 7 are actually village? i'm going to go with pretty slim. so i guess i don't put much stock in making village reads this game. and it's even harder since the killers aren't all on the same team. we'll probably lose 3 more people tonight at least.

genny wut

 

[Viscernable]

“Welp, lots of scum, can’t possibly read people. Time to roll over and die.”

 

[Viscernable]

Fr uncomfortable with genny’s posts today and more comfortable with Dubz’s posts today so I’m gonna try out sheeping her

vote genny

 

[WildZoo]

Fr uncomfortable with genny’s posts today and more comfortable with Dubz’s posts today so I’m gonna try out sheeping her

vote genny

Oh now people want to vote for genny!

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

 

[WildZoo]

Why True over genny?

Cold feet probably. Idk. I looked back at StardeWW and her posts seemed different there.
Plus in case there are only like 4 of us I wanted to vote with my village reads, and I figured Vis was going to vote there too lol

 

[Viscernable]

Definitely a possibility but would only be beneficial to a wincon if I got another cult card for affiliation. Target me and let me know D3 if you’re cult 😉


Shucks that would have been fun

Edit to specify in the first line “another” cult card for aff

Wdym “another”?

 

[Viscernable]

This is largely from this morning and will take some major tweaking with more attention to player compatibilities because right now it's way too focused on overall tones. I think I'm also letting dead villagers' reads influence it too much. Village block is dead or stumped so these are all leans.

Blue Cheese
Zenge

DubZ

Carrots, Peeled
Vis
Wonder

MayTagg

Carrots, Unpeeled
Genny
Alley


Microwaved Eggs
True
MKG
Lumi

Why is alley below neutral?

 

[Viscernable]

I'm ready to peel her today.

Oh god please no

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

Why is alley below neutral?

She isn't any more:

Mostly paranoia about how many people were feeling safe. I think I also mixed her and alissa up a couple times because rereading today I'm finding myself agreeing with a lot of alley's posts. I'm ready to peel her today.

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

Oh god please no

Clarification please: do you not like that I'm feeling better about her? Don't like the out of context phrasing? Or are you one of those heathens who don't peel their carrots?

 

[genny]

“Welp, lots of scum, can’t possibly read people. Time to roll over and die.”

no, i never said time for me to die. you're making that up.

 

[Viscernable]

If you ISO Woxy here, there's almost exclusively discussion of googate participants, and this weird progression where he goes from saying he's interested in looking elsewhere from Lumi (though doesn't mention where) to going right back to favoring the Lumi vote today, despite the fact that nothing had really changed - Lumi hasn't come back, chaos had flipped scum as he expected. Not sure what caused that shift.

Also interested in mkg and True moving down into the POE without any posts made to or about them otherwise.

Spoiler

^directed at Lumi calling Zenge a wolf



^"not great" is referring to feelings about chaos



^interesting given where Wonder is on the later reads list

^referring to Lumi




Following bits are discussion (mostly with me) about whether the best plan is to vote chaos or wait:









^again mentions feeling comfortable with wonder

^so kind of surprised to see Wonder in the POE and no one else besides chaos and Lumi based on above statements

^and then back to the Lumi vote despite earlier statements about moving away from it



^included for fairness that he did mention someone else besides the goonies

^current reads list

^and response to me about alley

This argument is pretty compelling

 

[Viscernable]

no, i never said time for me to die. you're making that up.

Nah, just time for village to roll over and die

 

[genny]

Oh now people want to vote for genny!

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

yes, please throw a table at anyone voting me

 

[genny]

Nah, just time for village to roll over and die

wolfs and mafia first pls

 

[Viscernable]

Clarification please: do you not like that I'm feeling better about her? Don't like the out of context phrasing? Or are you one of those heathens who don't peel their carrots?

PLEASE DON’T PEEL PEOPLE

also don’t peel carrots


but mostly people

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

It reads to me like you got nervous about the first explanation being questioned and felt like you had to come up with a more believable one. Otherwise why not just say what you were “actually thinking” straight off the bat? And if what you were thinking straight off the bat was “shorty is likely village because I can’t see her choosing scum and she’s unlikely to have 3 scum cards”, what did it have to do with her discard? If what you were thinking was “shorty is likely village because she is unlikely to choose scum, and look she did discard a scum card so that feels like confirmation (since you’re more likely to get a mix of scum and village cards than all scum or all village)”, why did it take until right after giving the “well actually” explanation for you to see the hole in that when you’d already spent a while explaining your shorty read?

I think I overlooked a lot of this initially because I immediately thought that I was less likely to suspect shorty because I know she doesn't like wolfing.

Definitely missed the shifting explanations and it makes me feel worse about true

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

Working through my poe: I don't want to yeet Lumi because they haven't been around all day. Zenge feeling confident in mkg is enough for me to look elsewhere for today at least. I'm not opposed to a genny yeet, but for now I think

yeet true

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

PLEASE DON’T PEEL PEOPLE

Metaphorically, of course. A trust peel if you will. Only with good intentions

 

[Viscernable]

Metaphorically, of course. A trust peel if you will. Only with good intentions

😰

 

[genny]

Metaphorically, of course. A trust peel if you will. Only with good intentions

Sounds like something a wolf would say.

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

Sounds like something a wolf would say.

Can wolves even use peelers?

 

[genny]

Can wolves even use peelers?

I believe all wolves have peelers factory-installed in their mouths.

 

[Zenge142]

I believe all wolves have peelers factory-installed in their mouths.

Where are you thinking of voting today?

 

[genny]

Where are you thinking of voting today?

Anyone but me.

I'd really like to go for Lumi or Alley. And I can't quite figure out what witchcraft Vis has performed that has her in most village piles, but I don't think she really belongs there. True is obviously getting yeeted though, so I don't think it really matters where I vote.

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

I'd really like to go for Lumi or Alley

Did you post thoughts on why you're suspecting alley?

 

[WildZoo]

Anyone but me.

I'd really like to go for Lumi or Alley. And I can't quite figure out what witchcraft Vis has performed that has her in most village piles, but I don't think she really belongs there. True is obviously getting yeeted though, so I don't think it really matters where I vote.

Why alley? And what's making you uncomfortable about Vis?

 

[Truenamer]

I think I overlooked a lot of this initially because I immediately thought that I was less likely to suspect shorty because I know she doesn't like wolfing.

Definitely missed the shifting explanations and it makes me feel worse about true

Hi! I think I've missed a lot but I keep seeing people say stuff like this and it's pretty frustrating. I just had my head turned around, and was feeling chattery because the thread was dead and I've been looking forward to playing again.

I feel like people are focusing on my posts because everyone else has been hiding in the sand, but if you actually look at the content I've been one of the people actively trying to game solve and contribute. And the content of these posts people don't like isn't bad, it's just me talking through my reasoning on thread about why my gut felt okay about shorty.