I have thought about this more. I’ve tried the lying thing and then trying to circle back to the truth. As you all know, it has never gone well for me. I feel like this is what may be happening with Lumi. So I am inclined to believe they are finally telling the truth about their claim.
Did chaos check in today?
To expand on this now that I'm home, the end part of that post (and the one before it, but to a lesser degree) reminded me of something that I've noticed True does when he's wolfing. He did it toward me in Lit, and he did it toward AM in Globe, where he'll ask someone either what he should do or almost ask them for permission to do something. It caught my attention a lot in Lit because he had essentially asked me if it was okay for him to stay on a genny vote, when genny was one of my strongest village reads.
Excuse me what
But also, he KNOWS that I've found this to be a wolf tell in the past for him because we had talked about how I wolf read him hard and fast in Lit vs village reading him pretty strongly in Mountains and what tipped me off ... so like, wouldn't a scum!True be more aware of doing it going forward, since he'd made a point to ask me about it in hopes of improving his scum play?
Exact neutral or wolf side of neutral? What pinged you, if the latter?
WO2 is neutral neutral, I don't feel like I've seen enough content from them yet to move them one way or another.
The only time I can think of that you lied was as alpha during the casino game, did you ever do it as a villager though?
Brief research trip pls, but im in msp and got lost for a while but its fine, will check in soon
Multiple times lol
Research, huh? Was it a field study conducted from shorty and Zenge's bushes?
You’re lost in MsP?? 👀 are you secretly Ms Frizzle or something?
Engaged
Chaos pls
What pls
Can you expand on your Lawpy read? You've only even mentioned him one other time, per the search.
This is setting me off so badly 🤣
why are you unyeeting chaos?
Looking back, I wasn’t a fan of his interactions about wonder being the goo. He was suspicious of wonder which is fine, I mean I was too, but it came of as if he very defensive of lumi, which I found odd.
i need more fluff in my life rn
So I'll turn your own question around on you then, since this was your only other mention of him - do you think he and Lumi are the same faction?
No, I don't expect anything different, but I am not sure he has ever actually explained why he typically lurks on D1.
The insistence on wonder vs lumi, or something else?
I get that this is because voting him would switch him to scum, but how is that worse than say, waiting for a vig shot? Would at least be confirmed scum at that point, right? And the alternative is believing him after being caught in a lie.
Because I wanted to test out a vote on Lawpy, and unfortunately I can’t vote twice.
I think that is certainly possible.
Yeah the last game lmao
Because as it stands currently, if the Judas claim is true and we don't vote him today, at least as I understand it, his alignment is with town. I have no idea if there's a vig in this game or not, but I'd rather wait 1 night on the off chance that there is, which would resolve the claim without putting us in a situation of nearly guaranteed having to spend 2 vote cycles on him.
I don’t see the scum motive for it, though. Bringing it up to sow discord, doubt, gain village points for independent thought, sure. But the stubborn insistence on it despite getting flak and no one biting would be weird for scum imo
i think you need to make your if bigger
Twisted Drunk Lawpy Plots
Better?
Even if there’s not a town aligned vig, an alternative faction such as wolves or aliens may want to kill him as he doesn’t help contribute to their wincon
Yeah, but it's not an active threat the way another killing faction would be, so I don't imagine it would be a top priority for them to take out.
Hmmm ironically this one somehow actually feels the most plausible to me due to how he went about it with so much resistance lol. But still leaning it much more as a villagey thing, especially with the decent likelihood of having no multiple-member scum factions
what if he's a gladiator? or mafia vig? i don't think leaving him alive is necessarily harmless to town.
Understood. But the end result is still the same? What I'm struggling to understand is that we either rely on a night vig tonight or end up having to vote down the line. If he is truly Judas then night vig can still shoot him or know that we will vote him out tomorrow. Either way, we end up voting for him at some point and/or using a vig shot.
In addition, voting him out today essentially wastes a voting cycle since IF telling the truth, he won’t be eliminated.
very interesting, one of her posts last night was a bit odd, but it wasn't the post shorty and Vis were referring to
I have Super Mario Bros too!!
icky, I don't really like this explanation because it doesn't make much sense to have her as a strong village read off of just that to begin with.
Uh when have you ever played with wolf!lawpy? I haven't even played with wolf!lawpy, as it's been a longgggg time since he wolfed.
He's not one of my village reads. He's neutral. idk if he's been really village read by "a lot of people" either.
I am not entirely sure with how Judas works if he can use any abilities pre-conversion. My assumption is no, but I could be wrong
Right but the same would happen if/when we are forced to decide down the line too
i don't think we should assume he's telling the truth about judas. sounds like something a wolf vig would say to get a shot off.
I'm not arguing that it's harmless to town. We can what-if to death about what he could be instead of the latest claim and I can't refute it because I don't know.
I was going to say that I don't think the end result is the same because if we vote out a scum today, then we're in a better situation heading into tomorrow even if we have to vote him, but I don't feel like I can really argue that because without knowing how many killing factions are in the game, we very well could be worse off tomorrow if there are multiple town deaths overnight.
I’m super in my head when I play WW regardless of affiliation. And I regret starting off with a strong Dubz read. It was purely based on her discards and aff claim which in hindsight, should not have given me as strong of a read as it did. Idk what else to say. I am not trying to use an excuse but I think you forget that I have not really played much recently and my most recent outings have not gone “well.” I am trying my best.
