CHOOSE YOUR OWWN IV - Game Thread

[Zenge142]

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i think samacs, alissa, and shorty are ok

I'm currently feeling similar

 

[WildZoo]

I specifically struggle with d1 because I've led a lot of d1 misyeets and also because I'm bad at wolfhunting

 

[GoSpursGo]

i also support an apop vote but holding off to D1 courtesy (where she was yeeted D1 last game)

contrary to her claims that i can normally spot her chaos, i think the issue here is actually not chaotic and instead more wagoning

This seems like an odd perspective to hold about a player that currently doesn't have a vote on the board. How is apop more wagon-y than other players? I feel like we're all kind of kicking around the same talking points.

 

[fruitsalad]

This seems like an odd perspective to hold about a player that currently doesn't have a vote on the board. How is apop more wagon-y than other players? I feel like we're all kind of kicking around the same talking points.

i’m talking when apop did vote

she followed on CG

then on zenges

her currently not voting doesn’t affect the fact in cases where she did vote

 

[fruitsalad]

i need to get work done so i’ll check back later tonight

i’ll accelerate catchup and react to posts when i’m currently active not what i miss

 

[supershorty]

I JUST SPENT 40 MINUTES OF MY LIFE FIGHTING WITH A FILE BECAUSE IT KEPT DOWNLOADING IN A DIFFERENT FONT THAN IT EXISTS IN

 

[supershorty]

THAT WAS INFURIATING.

Anyway. Can people who have a strong beans read one way or the other tl;dr for me why you feel strongly? I quoted fruit's post that had all the quotes so that later!me can look at it, but a Cliffnotes would be appreciated!

 

[supershorty]

Basically I think zenge is a good vote

I really want to know why you think this, even though it's not going to affect how I handle your slot today (in that I'm not going to vote you today).

Because I generally *don't* feel that Zenge is a good D1 vote, which is part of why I'm a little unhappy that my strongest discomfort is there, but I have a lot more history playing with him than any of the noobs so I may have a different perspective on it.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 1 Yeet Tally
beans () -
Zenge (2) - shorty, Spurs
apop (1) - alissa
shorty (1) - samac
Barks (1) - fruit
samac (2) - kitz, Clem
CG (1) - Dubz
SAR () -
fruit () -
Spurs (1) - Barks

9/17
yeet close in ~6.5 hours

 

[supershorty]

I'm still vibing with fruit, alissa, and PSV. My Clem read hasn't changed, he just hasn't been around much more since I talked with him this morning.

I think samac could be town, but I'm not willing to give that whole exchange with PSV as much town credit as PSV did.

Vague discomfort with Dubz and Spurs that I still can't put into words very effectively - but I also historically am uncomfortable with Dubz at this stage of the game so idk that that means much. But it's a different discomfort than when I'm like "Dubz and I are really in sync and that's spooky" so I need to figure that out when I'm not drowning in tasks.

I really disliked Zenge's answer to my question about his question to SAR so I don't think my read there has changed.

Others are either pretty stagnant or are somewhere on the neutral scale that I'll figure out when I'm not sneaking on here between tasks, but I'm afraid to spend a lot of time on it now and then derail my productivity when I finally got it on track.

 

[apoptosis09]

i’m talking when apop did vote

she followed on CG

then on zenges

her currently not voting doesn’t affect the fact in cases where she did vote

Partially i was playing along with the energy of thread bouncing votes around, partially hard not to wagon when we're all going off the same little bits of info early on. It takes a few days of gameplay for me to settle into my solid reads, historically

 

[GoSpursGo]

i’m talking when apop did vote

she followed on CG

then on zenges

her currently not voting doesn’t affect the fact in cases where she did vote

I personally think you're over-reading a very short difference in voting times, but I follow your thought process. Worth keeping an eye on.

Because I generally *don't* feel that Zenge is a good D1 vote, which is part of why I'm a little unhappy that my strongest discomfort is there, but I have a lot more history playing with him than any of the noobs so I may have a different perspective on it.

How do you reconcile this with the fact that you are... currently voting for him? How do you define what a "good" D1 vote is, other than not liking someone's answer to your pointed question?

 

[supershorty]

How do you reconcile this with the fact that you are... currently voting for him? How do you define what a "good" D1 vote is, other than not liking someone's answer to your pointed question?

Zenge is a historically very good village player. I don't like the idea of voting him D1 because if village, he's a great asset to town, and I generally don't get a good read on him in early game (or at least I didn't back in the day).

However, that's currently where I'm getting the strongest pings and I'm not going to disregard that just because I find the vote unpalatable.

 

[supershorty]

I generally don't get a good read on him in early game (or at least I didn't back in the day).

I don't feel like I phrased this well - I wouldn't say that I had a history of misreading Zenge in early game, but I do recall having a lot of hesitance in committing to a read early on (similar to how I find samac hard to read in early game).

 

[supershorty]

I wouldn't say that I had a history of misreading Zenge in early game

Before he fact checks me on this, it is a FACT that the one and only time I misyeeted him was in a CYO game, and I did misyeet him D2 that game.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm still vibing with fruit, alissa, and PSV. My Clem read hasn't changed, he just hasn't been around much more since I talked with him this morning.

I think samac could be town, but I'm not willing to give that whole exchange with PSV as much town credit as PSV did.

Vague discomfort with Dubz and Spurs that I still can't put into words very effectively - but I also historically am uncomfortable with Dubz at this stage of the game so idk that that means much. But it's a different discomfort than when I'm like "Dubz and I are really in sync and that's spooky" so I need to figure that out when I'm not drowning in tasks.

I really disliked Zenge's answer to my question about his question to SAR so I don't think my read there has changed.

Others are either pretty stagnant or are somewhere on the neutral scale that I'll figure out when I'm not sneaking on here between tasks, but I'm afraid to spend a lot of time on it now and then derail my productivity when I finally got it on track.

What have you gleaned from the affiliation exercise?

 

[supershorty]

What have you gleaned from the affiliation exercise?

Not as much as in CYO III, but I'll be honest that I haven't really had a chance to sit and stare at it for a while yet today. I kind of want to look at my spreadsheets from prior years because I'm a little intrigued by a trend I see with the vanillager claims, but I'm going to need to do that when I get home.

 

[beans2020]

I think for now, I want to
yeet CG
@Animal Midwife @kaydubs

I could be convinced to move somewhere else but for right now I feel like she's one of the more sus individuals in my list.

 

[CeeGee14]

she's one of the more sus individuals in my list.

Aren't I always? 🙂

To be honest, I would be shocked if there ever comes a game where I'm not scum read D1

 

[samac]

Some morning thoughts b4 I have to leave for school: I'm taking fruit and Clem off of today's yeet list bc I really don't think either of them is scum currently.
Kitz and rae both have my interest atm - kitz bc of her reaction to shorty's aff exercise (I don't know if that was confusion or slight scum panic). Rae because I'm mildly suspicious of her claim that she used vanillager for aff. This may be a "beans not understanding CYO strategy" thing so if it is feel free to smack me but literally so many people have either discarded vanillager OR claimed to use it as aff - how likely is it that that many players were offered it as a role?

I do think it is fair that vanilla villager can be the easiest to claim as getting affiliation to not risk someone saying they got what you claim

Because I think there are possibly 12 of those offered? Is that the way the numbering works?

I'm talking strat I don't understand

 

[apoptosis09]

I really want to know why you think this, even though it's not going to affect how I handle your slot today (in that I'm not going to vote you today).

Because I generally *don't* feel that Zenge is a good D1 vote, which is part of why I'm a little unhappy that my strongest discomfort is there, but I have a lot more history playing with him than any of the noobs so I may have a different perspective on it.

I'm curious in response why you don't think hes a good d1 if youre also scum reading? Are you thinking it's a misyeet?

Its rare (for me at least) to have a >rand feeling d1, which feels a bit odd in itself, but also makes me feel better than someone I'm more iffy on. I'm open to cases though [hence why I pulled my vote earlier for more info]

 

[samac]

So I misread this last night--I thought shorty was talking about filling out a big-ass spreadsheet including reads and timing of votes and whatnot. I did that last game (when I was scum) and it took waaaay too much time. I will almost certainly keep track of tallies though, the inner mod in me is too compulsive to not have some idea of where the votes stands, even without threat of the hammer.

I was actually just walking into the office and weighing the pros and cons of going back and re-reading last night to see how it looks like not in real time BUT SOMEONE FINISHED ALL OF THE OFFICE COFFEE AND NOW I HAVE TO WALK TO BUY STARBUCKS LIKE A PLEBE


I'm not reading what you're saying as intense! Reads like someone who hasn't played in a while who has come back and is settling in like a nice warm blanket 🙂

Fat fingers. You can safely assume that whenever I do something ridiculous with the reacts, or post a sentence that ends in the middle of a thought, that the answer is I am old and

did you think you were scum when you were 3p?

 

[samac]

unyeet shorty

 

[samac]

Yeah samac is obviously mafia lol

Nuh huh

 

[GoSpursGo]

I don't feel like I phrased this well - I wouldn't say that I had a history of misreading Zenge in early game, but I do recall having a lot of hesitance in committing to a read early on (similar to how I find samac hard to read in early game).

So, are you saying that you think that after a couple of days you'll feel better about your read on Zenge one way or the other? And do you have a sense of how your reads have been historically on him later in the game?

Not that I think it is a great idea to yeet him (or not) based solely on your personal reads on him... but just trying to follow your line of reasoning and whether you think you could make a better decision later in the game.

Also, if you were not going to vote for Zenge, who would you suggest as an alternative? I'm worried based on your post above it might be me but just trying to understand concretely what you would offer as an alternative.

 

[apoptosis09]

I do think it is fair that vanilla villager can be the easiest to claim as getting affiliation to not risk someone saying they got what you claim

Because I think there are possibly 12 of those offered? Is that the way the numbering works?

I'm talking strat I don't understand

I'm curious, conversely, at the relatively low number of discarded vanilla wolf/ mafia roles. I would think they would rand out equal,or are there normally more vanillagers offered than vanilla scum in cyo?

 

[samac]

I'm willing to give kitz and rae the benefit of the doubt for now. Other than what I previously mentioned, neither of them have done anything particularly scummy. Spurs feels okay? I think I've shrunk my pool down to the following (mostly because I don't think I can say that any of these people have done something to make me certain they're village):
CG, genny, Dubz, samac, zenge

 

[samac]

I'm curious, conversely, at the relatively low number of discarded vanilla wolf/ mafia roles. I would think they would rand out equal,or are there normally more vanillagers offered than vanilla scum in cyo?

 

[samac]

Aff claims:
12/8 9:04 PM - shorty, miller
12/8 9:07 PM - Zenge, vengeful townie
12/8 9:08 PM - fruit, town vanilla cop
12/8 9:16 PM - samac, town mason
12/8 9:22 PM - CeeGee, town cop/lover
12/8 9:22 PM - apop, vanillager
12/8 9:25 PM - genny, town reloader
12/8 9:32 PM - alissa, evangelistic town
12/8 9:38 PM - Spurs, town inno child
12/8 9:52 PM - Dubz, town enabler
12/8 10:09 PM - beans, town nurse
12/8 10:26 PM - kitz, town fruit vendor
12/8 10:35 PM - Clem, town tourist
12/8 11:35 PM - rae, vanillager
12/8 11:58 PM - Barky - town tracker
12/9 8:14 AM - SAR, town seer
12/9 9:45 AM - PSV, vanillager

I do also have numbers for how many exist on the role list and how many would be possible in the game if everyone is being truthful, however, since the exercise didn't catch any obvious slip-ups this game, I'm not going to post those at this time unless someone wants it, and then I'll take a screenshot of my spreadsheet or something.

Can someone do the odds of 7 vanilla villager being handed out? I don't understand how to calculate odds I just like them.

 

[GoSpursGo]

did you think you were scum when you were 3p?

Yeah. I actually did think at the time my wincon was exclusive. But even if it was inclusive, my wincon was definitely not village-aligned--I had to send a useful item to each of the three factions. So I was actually incentivized to 1) send helpful items to non-village factions, and 2) if I sent an item to a villager, I was then incentivized to try and get that player yeeted (to keep other players who haven't yet gotten an item on the board).

 

[apoptosis09]

I'm gonna do a thing
Nobody eat me for it please

Yeet dubz

@Animal Midwife

 

[WildZoo]

I'm gonna do a thing
Nobody eat me for it please

Yeet dubz

@Animal Midwife

Why do you assume you would be eaten for yeeting me?

Also why are you yeeting me?

 

[supershorty]

So, are you saying that you think that after a couple of days you'll feel better about your read on Zenge one way or the other? And do you have a sense of how your reads have been historically on him later in the game?

I don't think there has been more than 1 or 2 games where both of us were alive past D3 (I looked this up once, but I don't remember the exact number) so I honestly don't know the answer to this.

 

[samac]

My vote on Zenge is real.

im surprised you're willing ot vote him d1. Don't you have a history of reserving the right to read him?

 

[CeeGee14]

My thoughts on Beans: I do think that her shrinking of her wolf pool isn't inherently wolfy. Although, @beans2020 What made you take Fruit and Clem off your sus list? More specifically, what happened between last night and this morning for you to do so?

I'm not sussing Zenge because of his, "indeed," comment to Spurs. I'm side-eyeing him because of this comment:

Pushing this narrative pretty hard, Fruit...

I don't think Fruit was pushing me at all. Up to that point, Fruit has only voted me-for Fruit reasons I'm not bothering to understand-and saying he thinks I got caught due to the misunderstanding about the role I claimed for affiliation.

 

[supershorty]

im surprised you're willing ot vote him d1. Don't you have a history of reserving the right to read him?

I don't believe I've ever voted him D1 seriously before, but I don't think I'm the same player now that I was back then, and right now, that's the strongest ping I've gotten.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm curious, conversely, at the relatively low number of discarded vanilla wolf/ mafia roles. I would think they would rand out equal,or are there normally more vanillagers offered than vanilla scum in cyo?

There are 12 vanilla townie, 5 mafia goon, and 4 plain werewolf "cards" in the pot. I think that covers all the vanillas?

 

[WildZoo]

Unless...well idk how survivor works tbh. Is that an affiliation or an ability?

 

[WildZoo]

Or...maybe it's...both somehow

I need an adult

 

[supershorty]

Also, if you were not going to vote for Zenge, who would you suggest as an alternative? I'm worried based on your post above it might be me but just trying to understand concretely what you would offer as an alternative.

No, I don't know that that's a reasonable conclusion, but right now, my ping on Zenge is really the only thing I feel strongly enough to act on. There's a lot of other stuff that I want to look into more when I have time this evening (like looking at beans' posts to see what the conflict is there with people's reads) and real-timing with people, because I don't really feel like I have a seriously strong scum read on anyone, and I don't particularly like to hold my vote, so I put it where I felt strongest at the time.

I think I did hold my vote a decent amount when I played champs but I also straight up hadn't read a huge portion of the thread when I was playing those games, and that's not the case here.

 

[samac]

Or...maybe it's...both somehow

I need an adult

 

[supershorty]

There are 12 vanilla townie, 5 mafia goon, and 4 plain werewolf "cards" in the pot. I think that covers all the vanillas?

There's an alpha goon role that for all intents and purposes is a vanilla mafia, too. I don't know why it's different from a regular mafia goon. It's not listed as vanilla though so for claims purposes, different.

 

[WildZoo]

There's an alpha goon role that for all intents and purposes is a vanilla mafia, too. I don't know why it's different from a regular mafia goon. It's not listed as vanilla though so for claims purposes, different.

Wait yeah why does that exist

 

[CeeGee14]

Unless...well idk how survivor works tbh. Is that an affiliation or an ability?

I think survivor is an affiliation, similar to 3p. They win as long as they're alive at the end of the game

 

[samac]

Fruit and PSV likely town

 

[supershorty]

When I eventually get out of work, I'm planning to look at the numbers of discarded/claimed vanillas in previous years and also at the timing of those claims. It's information that should be readily accessible in my spreadsheets, so no one feel like you have to go digging for it in previous threads, but I also feel like I might be the only person here who would be crazy enough to do that anyway...

 

[supershorty]

well, samac might be crazy enough to do that

 

[samac]

well, samac might be crazy enough to do that

nah I gotta get caught up I don't have time for sidequests

 

[WildZoo]

I'd be crazy enough if I had the time but alas, I do not, especially with the knowledge that you have spreadsheets

 

[samac]

Hello I’m awake

@beans2020 the only problem with your logic is I showed up hella late. If I truly did use vanilla town as my affiliation (which I did) I’d have zero control over how many potential village roles could be left. Rachel also historically cannot count when she is sloshed. So I’m stuck either lying or making myself look sus by being honest. I dislike Samac’s “you can lie more as village” because I will get caught.

I was like "who's RacheL" lmao