CWWem's HoWWiday ExtWWavangza (mafia game thread)

[Clem J]

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Also @Clem J I was promised pirates and elves and I am detecting no pirates nor elves thus far. False advertising will not be tolerated.

You're all a pirate or an elf smh

 

[GoSpursGo]

I know better than to try and analyze a NK… but geez, kitz is such a weird kill to go for.

 

[Clem J]

d2 tally

apoptosis09 ( 1 ): spurs
fruitsalad ( ):
genny ( ):
Gospursgo ( ):
katiemcat ( ):
Lissarae06 ( ):
potentialsheltervet ( ):
wildzoo ( ):
zenge142 ( ):
sleep ( ):

 

[fruitsalad]

Hmm not helpful

Hopefully she says more stuff soon. I am okay sitting with Spurs and fruits reading her village for the moment but I trust that kind of thing less if they've only ever seen her village. If that makes any sense.

katie’s my neutral read

 

[fruitsalad]

What do people think about a katie/PSV pack?

possible

NVM I forgot PSV voted katie yesterday

not really unpairing imo

 

[fruitsalad]

I know better than to try and analyze a NK… but geez, kitz is such a weird kill to go for.

i’m not sure if kitz was killed by wolves

 

[apoptosis09]

Let me ask about your POE in a different way. I think you said fruits/katie could be a W/V pair. Who would you put in a W/W pair with either of them? (i.e. if fruits is W, who is most likely to be in his pack, and same exercise with katie)

That's harder atp when theres so much neutral in early game but dubz or zenge could be paired with either imo. They both have the right amount of spacing to their reads within and across my poe. I'd need someone in my flip pool to flip w! before throwing the gauntlet down on either.

 

[apoptosis09]

possible



not really unpairing imo

It is for psv and I'll die on that hill

 

[fruitsalad]

yeet apop

@Clem J @alissa14

 

[potentialsheltervet]

It is for psv and I'll die on that hill

Correct lol

 

[fruitsalad]

It is for psv and I'll die on that hill

i don’t think so imo but

 

[genny]

I will admit part of my reason for voting for genny is she likes to make weird kills. Not the ONLY reason but it contributed.

Nope I would have killed spurs. Also kitz is the one person who basically admitted to being vanilla, so why go for that N1? Makes no sense.

 

[GoSpursGo]

It is for psv and I'll die on that hill

I tend to agree, based on having wolfed with her.

 

[genny]

I’ve decided zenge and psv are village, and I shall be sheeping them as needed

 

[apoptosis09]

yeet apop

@Clem J @alissa14

Curious

 

[GoSpursGo]

Yeet genny

@Clem J @alissa14

@WildZoo 😉

 

[potentialsheltervet]

i don’t think so imo but

I tend to agree, based on having wolfed with her.

Spurs and apop, having just been my partners, know very well my preferred methodology. And it isn't to decide to come in with guns blazing at my partner. Especially when Katie hasn't wolfed before (speed game doesn't really count).
That's just. Nah.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I’ve decided zenge and psv are village, and I shall be sheeping them as needed

My track history of voting wolves is really poor. I probably shouldn't be shoped

 

[GoSpursGo]

i’m not sure if kitz was killed by wolves

Anything is possible, but I don't know that speculating about wolves getting blocked (or having some non-kill night ability) is super productive at this point.

FWIW a kill on kitz says basically... nothing. Which may be why it was a... good kill?

 

[apoptosis09]

d2 tally

apoptosis09 ( 2 ): spurs 😕, fruits 😡
fruitsalad ( ):
genny ( 1 ): dubz
Gospursgo ( ):
katiemcat ( ):
Lissarae06 ( ):
potentialsheltervet ( ):
wildzoo ( ):
zenge142 ( ):
sleep ( ):

 

[apoptosis09]

i’m not sure if kitz was killed by wolves

What makes you think this?

 

[GoSpursGo]

I’ve decided zenge and psv are village, and I shall be sheeping them as needed

That's interesting because I was mulling reprising my solo vote for Zenge.

 

[GoSpursGo]

My track history of voting wolves is really poor. I probably shouldn't be shoped

How do you feel this version of apop compares with the wolf version we just played with?

 

[genny]

My track history of voting wolves is really poor. I probably shouldn't be shoped

The only person with a worse d1 track record than me is dubz, and yet y’all decided to thunderdome my wolf read and dubz’s wolf read yesterday. I shall shope whomstsoever I want

 

[fruitsalad]

Anything is possible, but I don't know that speculating about wolves getting blocked (or having some non-kill night ability) is super productive at this point.

FWIW a kill on kitz says basically... nothing. Which may be why it was a... good kill?

What makes you think this?

well we have those holiday or pirate things as night actions, so a villager could very well use it to take out kitz at night

we can’t reliably attribute kills to wolves in this nonstandard game

 

[genny]

That's interesting because I was mulling reprising my solo vote for Zenge.

Why’s that?

 

[fruitsalad]

This can be specific (i.e., I want to do a Pirate Thing to shorty and shoot her!)

for reference

 

[apoptosis09]

well we have those holiday or pirate things as night actions, so a villager could very well use it to take out kitz at night

we can’t reliably attribute kills to wolves in this nonstandard game

Wolves have to kill though, and if the mech works like i think it does, it's highly unlikely for a block and a vig to succeed simultaneously n1

 

[GoSpursGo]

for reference

This is a fair point. We would still then have to assume that someone succeeded on something that would likely have a high degree of failure, and also someone managed to block the wolves.

 

[GoSpursGo]

Wolves have to kill though, and if the mech works like i think it does, it's highly unlikely for a block and a vig to succeed simultaneously n1

UNLESS OF COURSE YOU ME AND PSV SPECIFICALLY ARE THE WOLVES

 

[apoptosis09]

UNLESS OF COURSE YOU ME AND PSV SPECIFICALLY ARE THE WOLVES

TOO SOON

 

[fruitsalad]

Wolves have to kill though, and if the mech works like i think it does, it's highly unlikely for a block and a vig to succeed simultaneously n1

why? jailers, protectors etc are also possible

 

[Clem J]

D2 tally

apoptosis09 ( 2 ): spurs, fruit
fruitsalad ( ):
genny ( 1 ): dubz
Gospursgo ( ):
katiemcat ( ):
Lissarae06 ( ):
potentialsheltervet ( ):
wildzoo ( ):
zenge142 ( ):
sleep ( ):

 

[fruitsalad]

let’s try this

unyeet apop
yeet katie

@Clem J @alissa14

 

[GoSpursGo]

why? jailers, protectors etc are also possible

Right but they would have to correctly also find the wolf on N1.

Anything is TECHNICALLY possible, but so much less likely than the wolves simply executing their NK and deciding that kitz was a safe target that wouldn't pull any suspicion on any of them

 

[fruitsalad]

Right but they would have to correctly also find the wolf on N1.

not necessary for protectors

wolves could’ve targeted someone and a villager protected that person

 

[apoptosis09]

why? jailers, protectors etc are also possible

Because stronger roles have a higher chance of failure. From what I understand, we're all vanilla and role actions are rngd based on what people attempt.

 

[fruitsalad]

point is speculating on kitz nightkill is difficult on a nonstandard game and it might not necessarily have been done by wolves

 

[apoptosis09]

D2 tally

apoptosis09 ( 1 ): spurs
fruitsalad ( ):
genny ( 1 ): dubz
Gospursgo ( ):
katiemcat ( 1 ): fruits
Lissarae06 ( ):
potentialsheltervet ( ):
wildzoo ( ):
zenge142 ( ):
sleep ( ):

 

[apoptosis09]

point is speculating on kitz nightkill is difficult on a nonstandard game and it might not necessarily have been done by wolves

Who did you actually try to kill?

 

[fruitsalad]

Who did you actually try to kill?

assuming something by asking this loaded question?

 

[apoptosis09]

assuming something by asking this loaded question?

Worth a shot

 

[genny]

That's interesting because I was mulling reprising my solo vote for Zenge.

Ok let me ask this again with more words: why would you want to vote zenge?

 

[genny]

Who did you actually try to kill?

Who did you try to kill? 😱

 

[GoSpursGo]

Why’s that?

Some of the stuff Zenge has done has just been kind of... noise, that makes it clear he's around, but it's not super useful. A few examples that stuck out to me were he bothered to clarify the voting order on one of the tallies. Fixated on the sleep vote as the reason for voting SAR, which was the lowest possible hanging fruit. Held off on voting until 21min before vote close, then came in hot accusing dubZ of being in a pack with SAR for trying to pull the wagon back. And... why exactly does Zenge dramatically have egg on his face with kitz flipping town? kitz didn't even appear to be his preferred yeet target yesterday.

Like... I get it, he can't come in with a god read on Santy or PSV every single time as the only way to declare himself as village, but while the tone is all mostly fine, the content is kind of wonky. To me, who hasn't played with w!Zenge and wouldn't know what that looks like.

 

[GoSpursGo]

Ok let me ask this again with more words: why would you want to vote zenge?

Sorry I was going back to find what I had previously said about Zenge and looking at his posts.

 

[apoptosis09]

Who did you try to kill? 😱

Zenge
(This is a joke)

 

[genny]

why exactly does Zenge dramatically have egg on his face

He doesn’t really understand anything about cooking eggs. Trash egg opinions, really.

I don’t see a reason for wolf!zenge to be that dramatic about the yeet when it’s v/v

 

[GoSpursGo]

I don’t see a reason for wolf!zenge to be that dramatic about the yeet when it’s v/v

There's no particular reason, unless it's just to be... noisy. But again, idk what w!zenge looks like.

In any event it seems like I'm on an island on Zenge but he's just raising some flags for me. I am also sus of apop, and while I don't especially relish that vote, I'm willing to stick there for now.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

How do you feel this version of apop compares with the wolf version we just played with?

mmmm
I don't have reliable reads on comparing people to how they played as my partners, because to be frank there are times I will skim my partners' posts because I know I'm unlikely to call them out on something lol. And I'm not trying to solve them.
The better question is how does this version of apop compare to previous versions of apop I've played with previously where I've actually had to solve her and found out she was village