Fire Emblem: Three HoWWses Game Thread

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If your theory is correct, which it's not, the game would be solvable just by knowing people's role info. So if everyone role revealed, by your theory, the villagers and wolves would be known automatically and the villagers could all yeet the wolves. Obviously that's broken and the game would not be designed in a way that would allow that which is one of the many reasons why your theory is not true

I have some problems with this explanation.

For one thing, I was outed as a wolf in a game (speed game maybe?) for making a role claim that didn't fit with the village roles. I think I said I was a HP character when all of the village roles were HP spells. It was a few rounds before they figured it out.. The game wasn't broken though, I had just slipped. Which would be what you did here, you shared you didn't have a faction right before it became apparent that the village probably does. You slipped.

Secondly, the rules make it pretty clear that mass role reveals would have detrimental effects. Whether that's a 3p, other win conditions, or mod punishments idk, but it seems like they have taken steps to make the game not immediately solvable this way.
 
I'm not sure how much information threatens village/faction since sporty's rule about it seemed really ominous.

Nate's random pop-ins?
(I've got some rough buckets of "people who seem to be operating based on similar information as me", which includes zuri, Clem, Zenge, fluff. And "people who don't seem to have the same information", which includes AM, Dubz, April, genny.

That's not exactly a POE because we don't know how things map to alignment yet, but I'd rather yeet from the second list than the first list. If that makes sense.

Again, still only about half caught up so those could change)
What similar info are zuri/Lawpy, Clem, Zenge, and fluff operating on? The Mortal Kombat wincon? (I forgot who drew this comp but I like it)
(I'm not just sorting based on who was talking about factions.

And I also don't think everyone in the first list is in my faction)
(No, it just seems like the second list ppl started with different information than me. But I'm not assuming that everyone in the same faction started with the same information, so people in either list could be in my faction for all I know. Once we get some flips it'll hopefully shed some light on where those lines are drawn)
Sorry y'all I got a little too distracted by this new show that started today.. MILF Manor is wild, yo.

(Had some stuff to take care of and haven't had ww time today, but I'll be stuck at my computer all day tomorrow so I'll be around)
Seems like a wolfy cover for someone who has a whole spreadsheet?

Tinfoil rambling
Huh. That’s interesting
This may just be genny pretending, but if they're genuinely surprised, maybe they didn't know they were unyeetable? Is this something that would be in their role pm? Until proven otherwise, at this point in time, I don't think someone yeet-protected them.
I don’t know what your tinfoil is at this point I don’t think
I'm speculating that maybe faction leaders can't be yeeted unless others in their factions are? This may be a bit op, but it seems weird in the context of the game we'd be able to yeet Edelgard or Dimitri or Claude day 1 and the rest of their faction is just...there.
Tbh, the write-up post its like.... Not a good place to focus your thoughts since it could go either way.
Yeah that's true. The tin foil just calls to me. I'm trying to stay grounded.
Read genny posts, genny reactions, and decide if they look wolfy based on that rather than a writeup mentioning shields wowee
Genny seems very jokey and having fun. Lots of fluff too. But when they didn't get yeeted and everyone assumed they were wolf, their reactions are now kinda p.o.ed and not having fun anymore?
Also, why genny town makes you feel more sus on Nate? Because genny sus would be 'real' ?
What do you mean by "real"? I'm thinking maybe if genny is indeed a faction leader, they may know the roles who are under them but maybe not who those roles are? But aside from that, if genny is town, and outside of the jokiness is sus on Nate, it makes me feel a bit more assured in being sus on Nate. (I'm concerned about the vanilla ice rp influencing my vote a bit.) However, my main reasoning is that Nate seems to be pretty fluffy even though I liked his initial "I.C.E." post. But if my tin foil bucket actually holds some water, maybe they see something? Especially if a fluffy, jokey player like genny thinks something is off about Nate?

I also would like to see more of why genny thinks Nate is sus tho.

(@samac the tinfoil I'm ref is in my 1st/noob game where my initial vote was wolf, but then I somehow tinfoiled into convincing myself a person I thought was town was actually wolf and we lost the game. I get I've been ref'ing it a lot, but it's my only experience playing on this forum and I'm still pretty embarrassed about it...)
 
I have some problems with this explanation.

For one thing, I was outed as a wolf in a game (speed game maybe?) for making a role claim that didn't fit with the village roles. I think I said I was a HP character when all of the village roles were HP spells. It was a few rounds before they figured it out.. The game wasn't broken though, I had just slipped. Which would be what you did here, you shared you didn't have a faction right before it became apparent that the village probably does. You slipped.

Secondly, the rules make it pretty clear that mass role reveals would have detrimental effects. Whether that's a 3p, other win conditions, or mod punishments idk, but it seems like they have taken steps to make the game not immediately solvable this way.
Hmmming because I'm contemplating

But as I think got brought up before, I don't think April ever said she didn't have a faction?
 
I can’t really keep up with this thread (not a fan of this 36/12 format either but what do you expect from a cranky old man) so I am gonna do random iso mostly and drop my thoughts.

looked at chicandtoughness, and i think village because she is arguing some points vis-a-vis factions against fluff that a wolf wouldn’t get involved in because they could get caught out in their ignorance. Fact is, it seems some people have more factional info than others. Chica seems to have less, fluff more. That makes me think they are both village.

I don’t deny there could be wolves lurking in a faction, but I am going to proceed as if that is false until proven otherwise.
 
I also think Sporty would giggle real hard about putting a factionless horse in the game tbh but that's just a passing thought :laugh:
lmao

to be more clear here
Marianne is the third character in the Fire Emblem series to have a named horse: Dorte. This is followed by Beck from New Mystery of the Emblem and Sophie from Fates.
Unlike the others, Dorte is not explicitly Marianne's but a horse from Garreg Mach Monastery that Marianne has grown fond of. She does later adopt the horse,
 
I also think Sporty would giggle real hard about putting a factionless horse in the game tbh but that's just a passing thought :laugh:
The horse is heavily linked from a charachter frm the Golden Deer, so I dont think it would be factionless at all fwiw
 
Like, Marianne is super animal loving and attached to his horse, so no way the horse its factionless wowee
 
Okie dokie, I think I am more or less caught up

here is where I stand

Fluff - I was suspicious of fluff yesterday for being wolfy, but now I feel maybe less wolf more 3p. Doesn't read town at all for me. I'm weary of them.
Genny - as we don't know why genny didn't die, sus for wolf, but we just don't have enough information. I agree with others, it would be pointless to continue going after her at this time.
PSV - don't have a good read on PSV
April - reads more village to me, just a gut feeling
Nate - He made a spreadsheet and has had a few pop-ins, seems kind of wolfy to me
Wisp - I feel good about them, they seem very dedicated to wolf-hunting
Poppy - I may be biased as she murdered me in cold blood on D2 of our noob game, but Poppy seems to be approaching the game as she had previously, she reads neutral to me

Like, not to say wolves don't get frustrated lol, but this specific tone is something I associate with village!genny. I think she is genuinely frustrated at the assumption she's an alpha.
Idk who/what saved her or why, but I declare I think she is not a wolf or an alpha.

I don't know her typical meta, but so far it seems like she hasn't been interested and is more frustrated that she didn't die

She didn't die, we don't know why, so we've collectively been operating as if she's an alpha just because it made the most sense. Decided not to vote her again today because if she is an alpha, that would be a waste of time.

Agreed

Me too. I really didn’t think she was a wolf, which is why I hesitated jumping onto her wagon to break the tie until the last min. I expected her to claim some yeet avoidance or something. But she didn’t give any insight on how she might be alive.

That doesn't seem like a great reason to hop on a bandwagon though, especially if it was just to save yourself.

To clarify, it wasn’t intentional. I really thought mighty and zuri were village in the noob game. I was desperately trying to be on another wolf’s wagon to clear my name. I was giving a lot of advice that I knew wolves may benefit from so that they keep me alive, like a proper 3p who needs to stick around for endgame.

This doesn't sit right with me.

Hope I didn't forget anyone...I feel less concerned about the village reads now lol

genny
PSV
Nate
Poppy

Alley
Zenge
mothy

fluff
Lawpy

HW_88??
SOV
miranda
Clem

chic
April
Veggie
Santy
Wonda

samac
SAR
AM
Wisp


fluff and Lawpy are in kind of their own...thing at the moment.

I generally agree with this list, but I feel mothy leans more village IMO.

I’ve been asked so much about this. I’m not trying to kill anyone & don’t have such ability. I didn’t ask the mods specifics and assumed that I’m supposed to eliminate the wolf faction. Then Santy mentioned something about secondary wincons, and I got confused. I only have one wincon so I’m still operating under the assumption that I’m supposed to eliminate the wolf faction.

This feels like backtracking.

Idk why Wisp is fully clearing someone for being.... A horse .

Its a strange role or whatever, but bruh the host is SportPONIES and April has a Horse avi hmmyes. So I think it fits w/ them at least as not weird.

And the most important point, if you are clearing them , please be for somthing in thread , their flavor adds -10 to my read on them and I kinda thought you were of similar mind in regards to how flavor affected a read.

That said, I think the way Wisp interacted with April and talked about it seems Villagey

I can't think of a single important horse in FE3H... I guess I can't get too caught up in the lore.

For now

yeet Nate
 
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I'm inclined to agree, although with that (out-of-game/meta) information it changes the gameplay; we now have info that we may not have gotten in the normal game progression and that's frustrating.
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I don’t understand how a noob came to this conclusion from the self vote without outside forces tbh. AM had made one post but otherwise what?
I've definitely self-voted during some of my first games. It can get intense but you do get used to it.
…. You were a wolf. It was marvel.
Imma be mad if we tried to yeet an alpha D1

But also, that's exactly what alpha!genny would do
Why’d we jump there.
Who would use their governor role when she was deep POE?
I have an idea on why someone would that I don’t know if it’s helpful to start spewing or not. I don’t know where to go with mechanics here tbh
Idk but someone has a real nice horse
Interesting.
This makes it sound like the horse was genny's. like a yeet avoidance maybe?
That felt like a jump I don’t see.
 
The horse is heavily linked from a charachter frm the Golden Deer, so I dont think it would be factionless at all fwiw
that's some super deep commitment to the FE lore hahaha
I knew Marianne liked horses, but I didn't remember a specific horse from the game
 
I don’t understand how a noob came to this conclusion from the self vote without outside forces tbh. AM had made one post but otherwise what?
Chic has played elsewhere (can't remember in what format), so not the noobiest noob
 
What do you mean by "real"? I'm thinking maybe if genny is indeed a faction leader, they may know the roles who are under them but maybe not who those roles are? But aside from that, if genny is town, and outside of the jokiness is sus on Nate, it makes me feel a bit more assured in being sus on Nate. (I'm concerned about the vanilla ice rp influencing my vote a bit.) However, my main reasoning is that Nate seems to be pretty fluffy even though I liked his initial "I.C.E." post. But if my tin foil bucket actually holds some water, maybe they see something? Especially if a fluffy, jokey player like genny thinks something is off about Nate?
If genny was a wolf, the reasons they wpuld be bringing up to vote Nate would be faked.

So like, maybe my question is more directed at, what reassures you into thinking a 'genmy is town and right on Nate' than 'genmy is town but wrong on nate' . You agree with genny reasons to sus Nate and feel like they are good insights and that type of stuff?
 
that's some super deep commitment to the FE lore hahaha
I knew Marianne liked horses, but I didn't remember a specific horse from the game
I have a dnd campaign with friends which is based on Fodlan from like, 3 years or something like that. I'm super deep in Fodlan lore haha
 
Okie dokie, I think I am more or less caught up

here is where I stand

Fluff - I was suspicious of fluff yesterday for being wolfy, but now I feel maybe less wolf more 3p. Doesn't read town at all for me. I'm weary of them.
Genny - as we don't know why genny didn't die, sus for wolf, but we just don't have enough information. I agree with others, it would be pointless to continue going after her at this time.
PSV - don't have a good read on PSV
April - reads more village to me, just a gut feeling
Nate - He made a spreadsheet and has had a few pop-ins, seems kind of wolfy to me
Wisp - I feel good about them, they seem very dedicated to wolf-hunting
Poppy - I may be biased as she murdered me in cold blood on D2 of our noob game, but Poppy seems to be approaching the game as she had previously, she reads neutral to me

I don't know her typical meta, but so far it seems like she hasn't been interested and is more frustrated that she didn't die



Agreed



That doesn't seem like a great reason to hop on a bandwagon though, especially if it was just to save yourself.



This doesn't sit right with me.



I generally agree with this list, but I feel mothy leans more village IMO.



This feels like backtracking.



I can't think of a single important horse in FE3H... I guess I can't get too caught up in the lore.

For now

yeet Nate
What has you leaning fluff 3p and not wolf?

Could you talk to me about why you're don't have a good read on PSV? :bucktooth:
 
This is making me go hmm
Not because you're voting me, but because the post at the top makes it clear that you haven't received as much info as someone else. But when I haven't received as much info as someone else, that makes me wolfy, apparently

This post looks worse in retrospect.

Since it did, in fact, make her wolfy
 
I have some problems with this explanation.

For one thing, I was outed as a wolf in a game (speed game maybe?) for making a role claim that didn't fit with the village roles. I think I said I was a HP character when all of the village roles were HP spells. It was a few rounds before they figured it out.. The game wasn't broken though, I had just slipped. Which would be what you did here, you shared you didn't have a faction right before it became apparent that the village probably does. You slipped.

Secondly, the rules make it pretty clear that mass role reveals would have detrimental effects. Whether that's a 3p, other win conditions, or mod punishments idk, but it seems like they have taken steps to make the game not immediately solvable this way.
Mayo
You feel good rn
I'm not sure how much information threatens village/faction since sporty's rule about it seemed really ominous.

Nate's random pop-ins?
What similar info are zuri/Lawpy, Clem, Zenge, and fluff operating on? The Mortal Kombat wincon? (I forgot who drew this comp but I like it)



Seems like a wolfy cover for someone who has a whole spreadsheet?

Tinfoil rambling
This may just be genny pretending, but if they're genuinely surprised, maybe they didn't know they were unyeetable? Is this something that would be in their role pm? Until proven otherwise, at this point in time, I don't think someone yeet-protected them.

I'm speculating that maybe faction leaders can't be yeeted unless others in their factions are? This may be a bit op, but it seems weird in the context of the game we'd be able to yeet Edelgard or Dimitri or Claude day 1 and the rest of their faction is just...there.

Yeah that's true. The tin foil just calls to me. I'm trying to stay grounded.

Genny seems very jokey and having fun. Lots of fluff too. But when they didn't get yeeted and everyone assumed they were wolf, their reactions are now kinda p.o.ed and not having fun anymore?

What do you mean by "real"? I'm thinking maybe if genny is indeed a faction leader, they may know the roles who are under them but maybe not who those roles are? But aside from that, if genny is town, and outside of the jokiness is sus on Nate, it makes me feel a bit more assured in being sus on Nate. (I'm concerned about the vanilla ice rp influencing my vote a bit.) However, my main reasoning is that Nate seems to be pretty fluffy even though I liked his initial "I.C.E." post. But if my tin foil bucket actually holds some water, maybe they see something? Especially if a fluffy, jokey player like genny thinks something is off about Nate?

I also would like to see more of why genny thinks Nate is sus tho.

(@samac the tinfoil I'm ref is in my 1st/noob game where my initial vote was wolf, but then I somehow tinfoiled into convincing myself a person I thought was town was actually wolf and we lost the game. I get I've been ref'ing it a lot, but it's my only experience playing on this forum and I'm still pretty embarrassed about it...)
No, I remember what you’re talking about now, it’s not like that.
I am interested in your line of logic though. Have you voted Nate?
Even if genny is leader, I fail to see how it's AI and I still only care about content from her. :headphone:
I assume this is response to Plum?
Why didn’t you quote her.
I would say if we learn who faction leaders are they would be lower in my POE until I have cause to believe the darkness has somehow infiltrated the castle. Which from What I was reading illl keep things spoiler free from wiki pages I wouldn’t go outting all the leaders because they could be important to stopping the wolves.
Deep in the wiki man.



Oh also
I don’t know but this feels interesting now after mayos post
Unyeet zenge
Yeet april
 
I don’t understand how a noob came to this conclusion from the self vote without outside forces tbh. AM had made one post but otherwise what?
It’s worth noting that Chic has a lot of WW experience, she’s just a noob to SDN.
That felt like a jump I don’t see.
Why?
 
Mayo
You feel good rn

No, I remember what you’re talking about now, it’s not like that.
I am interested in your line of logic though. Have you voted Nate?

I assume this is response to Plum?
Why didn’t you quote her.
I would say if we learn who faction leaders are they would be lower in my POE until I have cause to believe the darkness has somehow infiltrated the castle. Which from What I was reading illl keep things spoiler free from wiki pages I wouldn’t go outting all the leaders because they could be important to stopping the wolves.
Deep in the wiki man.



Oh also
I don’t know but this feels interesting now after mayos post
Unyeet zenge
Yeet april
Why would I quote her? She's reading the thread like everyone else and the response wasn't ambiguous. No, I'm not making those assumptions without explicit evidence that they're mechanically confirmed to be clear. :bag:
 
It’s worth noting that Chic has a lot of WW experience, she’s just a noob to SDN.

Why?
It was plural and felt to be referring to multiple people, noting indicated that it was a direct reference to a singular person.
Why would I quote her? She's reading the thread like everyone else and the response wasn't ambiguous. No, I'm not making those assumptions without explicit evidence that they're mechanically confirmed to be clear. :bag:
I think that’s fair, I would just hesitate to go at them without some sort of flip prior to back it up. That doesn’t shrink the play table a lot, it would be like 3-4 people I think?
 
Interesting because she flipped the ashen wolves and they gave no enemies on their wiki just Allies.

I want a PM buddy. :sorry:

Helpful without having to engage 10/10

Here’s the thing - I’ve not seen any big crazy tinfoils from you.
You sure you’re not posting them in wolf chat and getting the 2 chats confused?

Welp hated this
There is some misinfo here. Mass role reveals are not forbidden by mods, just affiliation and affiliation members ( and even then just implies penalty…”it MAY harm your faction”.

having said that, I doubt a mass role reveal is a good idea at this point in the game.
 
It was plural and felt to be referring to multiple people, noting indicated that it was a direct reference to a singular person.

I think that’s fair, I would just hesitate to go at them without some sort of flip prior to back it up. That doesn’t shrink the play table a lot, it would be like 3-4 people I think?
Well, nobody's even going at genny so that's a non concern. I'm just saying there's a medium between not actively witch-hunting and granting a soft clear. :beaver:
 
I'm not sure what this sentence is trying to say
I agree that, that post from April comes off as wolfie, the explicit, "Why am I wolfy for x, buy y isn't wolfy for X"

Not because you're voting me, but because the post at the top makes it clear that you haven't received as much info as someone else. But when I haven't received as much info as someone else, that makes me wolfy, apparently
 
It was plural and felt to be referring to multiple people, noting indicated that it was a direct reference to a singular person.
You’re not the only one who’s allowed to tinfoil Samac! (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
Also I cant find the rapid fire voting question post (Skill Issue)

But @holdthemayo I think both the sus in genny and PSV I kinda had explained , the difference being that genny even tho it was the most likely hit to me, it felt like most consensus-y , ehile PSV I was more wavery because of potential Omgus bias and having history of... Not reading PSV well.

The unexplained f it, its mostly because I was more sure of genny being a hit, but wanted to explore and poke at PSV regardless and see how that made me feel
 
What has you leaning fluff 3p and not wolf?

Could you talk to me about why you're don't have a good read on PSV? :bucktooth:
Yes, I'm leaning fluff as 3p because her claim that she knows her allies and then SAR vouched for her
While that doesn't necessarily clear them, why would they out themselves if they were wolves? It just doesn't sit right with me.

As far as PSV goes, unless I've missed something, it seems as if their post hasn't been very insightful or given an explanation for their thoughts. They've only really stood up for genny.
 
Looked at veggietrex. Not much to see. Could be a village noob trying to figure out the world or wolf noob trying not to make any waves.
I would slant to wolf side if I was forced to just because wolf noobs are usually pretty passive, and most people who play WW have opinions fwiw.
 
Yes, I'm leaning fluff as 3p because her claim that she knows her allies and then SAR vouched for her
While that doesn't necessarily clear them, why would they out themselves if they were wolves? It just doesn't sit right with me.

As far as PSV goes, unless I've missed something, it seems as if their post hasn't been very insightful or given an explanation for their thoughts. They've only really stood up for genny.
Well, I don't know what SAR is vouching (and I don't really need to know at this point anyway), but there are ways for them to be different affiliations (agree that w/w is low likelihood) depending on what is actually being supported.

Regarding PSV, I'm just wondering how you're leaning her affiliation-wise. :bookworm:
 
Looked at veggietrex. Not much to see. Could be a village noob trying to figure out the world or wolf noob trying not to make any waves.
I would slant to wolf side if I was forced to just because wolf noobs are usually pretty passive, and most people who play WW have opinions fwiw.
Do you have thoughts on the players you're familiar with? 🤔
 
This seems like an oddly specific thing to come up with. HHMMM
It is. But I'm also an Edelgard simp and one of her classes is "Armored Lord," which is character-specific, and Emperor where she has a big ole shield.
 
My tinfoil is contingent on Edelgard (and possibly other faction leaders) having some op thing going on. Because in fe if a main protagonist of your route like the faction leader dies, it's game over right?
 
  • Am opens with a random unexplained chic yeet but doesn’t ever really press/chic only gently protests, later insists the vote isn’t random
  • chic makes an odd case about factions not equaling flavor
  • animal midwife keeps calling anything I say tinfoil, lies, or fishing swaying several less engaged folks to vote for me
  • amw hops on the me train never planning to keep her vote on chic
but again the grouping is based off of the logic more than the relationship so the first group is a handful of people that seem most sus if I’m looking for people who fit my initial theory, the second list is if I’m imagining a wolf pack that has a lot of ghostly noobs, the third list is wondering If at least one helpful veteran is just very good at playing the part of helpful veteran

Alright I’ll deliver my pack lists for Amw’s deadline…

I’m not sure if this makes sense as an approach but I’m sorting these into general rationales for my thinking behind each, not necessarily that they would be 100%compatible with each other…

My Faction Theory pack: AMW, April, Chic, potentialsheltervet

My quiet noob pack: captnemo, wondalfy, hw, veg

My Helpful Pocketing Veteran pack: wisp, santygrass, Nate, visc,

All these are ranked most to least suss for me within their individual packs. Feeling generally pretty good about fluff, wildzoo, genny, and most of the people toward the bottom of my second 2 pack theories though including them in case my first theory blows up in my face


***Edit*** sorry to ping you zuri, didn't know you had subbed out when I posted this. Hope you play again someday
 
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I might have an idea of why SAR said this, and I’m not super inclined to believe it’s affiliation indicative.

@SARdoghandler can you say, are you sure the reason you’re vouching for Fluff is actually affiliation indicative?

Responding to this on my lunch break, not caught up but yes this is important.

No, not affiliation indicative specifically. I can make some educated guesses, but they are not 100%. But if people are somewhat village reading me, I'd like her kept around.
 
I'm struggling to follow your logic in how you are making these POE. Why would there be a pack of noobs or why would you make a noob only list? It's usually RNG.

You list half the players as potentially in wolfpacks, but only with those other specific co-wolves?

Would April flipping wolf clear nemo, wonda, HW, and Veg? Does your noob pack still make sense with Samac and I now taking those roles? Can we be promoted to the helpful pocketing veteran pack?
Mayos pls, zuris subbed out
 
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