FTF's Worst Idea Yet (Game Over)

[Animal Midwife]

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@Animal Midwife are there any roles on the list of possible where WZ wouldn't have voted yesterday for a reason/reward?

She did vote per my trackers. I think FTF made an error. I'll scan the list anyways real quick though.

 

[JustPaws]

She did vote per my trackers. I think FTF made an error. I'll scan the list anyways real quick though.

I didnt remember she voted

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yeah, none of those look to affect someone's own ability to vote.

 

[Crayola227]

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Night 1 flavour: I overslept. Playing Minecraft until 5 and then needing to wake up at 9 is not fun.

Chaostrodon has died. They were:
Compulsive Blind Bodyguard Faith Vigilante: Each night you will randomly, compulsively target someone with a bodyguard action. You will target that same person with a vigilante action that has a 50% chance of working. You will die instead of your target if they were to be killed that night. Aligned with town.

Ms Procrastinator has died. They were:
Tracker Miller: Every night you may target one person and you will learn who they targeted that night. You appear as Mafia to Cops that inspect you. Aligned with town.

genny has died. They were:
Hated Werewolf Hater: Werewolf Factional Kill + Communication. Once per night, you may target player at night to make them Hated for the next day, where they will take one less vote to be hammered. Aligned with the Werewolves.

BobLoblaw78 has die. They were:
Criphound: Every night you may target one person. You will be told if they possess a negative utility role, or otherwise. If you are protected by any other role in the game, you will automatically die. Aligned with Town.

Ah now I see the other issue, Chaos couldn't even pick his targets for bodyguard, let alone the vig thing.

 

[Crayola227]

Paws actually started the vote on her per my in progress tracker.

When I looked at Flushy's sheet it looked like I did.

 

[PippyPony]

I know you are busy with rotation pips but when you specifically avoid answering my questions today and yesterday... +1 scum

"I know you are busy with rotation pips so let me take this opportunity to sprinkle some shade on you for being 'evasive' while you're sticking an 8" 18g spinal needle into a horse's back and can't respond"

 

[Crayola227]

Wow. Seems like it was a very useful role and better than most. That was a good piece to fall. And since there was a communication component, it will be interesting to see the comments early on regarding her. And I do recall someone trying to alter the vote on her or redirect it. Not a great look to have jumped on MsP for Vis. And he had some good posts but some curious ones (helpful maybe? I can't remember). The thing that pinged me the most about Alissa was the helpfulness. It is amazing in the two games I have played, wolves have been helpful both times. Makes me want to never be helpful...

Aren't you supposed to be dead? Also, don't worry, you're too noob to really be very helpful for a while 😅

 

[PippyPony]

Hoo boy I quoted a lot of things early this morning; let me find the things you want me to respond to now haha

 

[Crayola227]

Paws was the first vote on Alissa. Moved later on, and then self prezed back onto Alissa. That doesn’t seem like something a wolf would do.

Ah OK I only looked first in the final tally.

That's exactly what wolves do for an early D1 bus to mess with VCA. The momentum she mentioned where I got on the vote or whoever else might have scared her off. Then she had to come back to it.

I'm not sure on this, but I wanted to rebut your assumption here.

 

[Crayola227]

I’m inclined to say April isn’t wolfing. I don’t think she’d throw this kind of shade on a fellow wolf:


This quote from Vis stands out to me

Especially seeing Bob, MsP and Alissa all flip. Sounds like Vis wanted her vote to have an impact instead of it being “wasted” on Bob, but it was the only vote on MsP, so it was effectively the same outcome. So I think Vis is one of my stronger wolf reads at the moment. Felt like maybe Vis was trying to build a counter wagon to save Alissa.

Not sure yet how to interpret the Dubz/Pippy interactions yet. I noticed Dubz’s vote was absent from the finally tally. I’m wondering if there’s a role related reason for that for if she just didn’t vote. I want to say Pippy sounds like frustrated villager in those interactions, but they also sound similar to how she sounded in Ggoats.

Do you have any thoughts on the Pippy/Dubz interactions?

Do you still have the same read on Sunny after Genny flipped?

I agree with the Pippy assessment

Vis concerns me too

 

[Crayola227]

Did you see the vote progression? It was super weird and that's what I was getting after her for most of yesterday. I am ok leaving her alone today but she is NOT cleared for starting that vote imo.

Do you think she could be mafia?

 

[Zenge142]

Ah OK I only looked first in the final tally.

That's exactly what wolves do for an early D1 bus to mess with VCA. The momentum she mentioned where I got on the vote or whoever else might have scared her off. Then she had to come back to it.

I'm not sure on this, but I wanted to rebut your assumption here.

So you think the wolves decided to let Alissa die over Paws because Paws has a better wolf PR? Or what’s your thinking on them self prezzing on each other?

 

[Aprilthearab]

"I know you are busy with rotation pips so let me take this opportunity to sprinkle some shade on you for being 'evasive' while you're sticking an 8" 18g spinal needle into a horse's back and can't respond"

Can someone tell me if Pippy gets sassier as a wolf? I completely get where she's coming from here but the post she was responding to didn't seem to warrant this reaction

Aren't you supposed to be dead? Also, don't worry, you're too noob to really be very helpful for a while 😅

That's uncalled for, Cray. But I can't say it gives you any scum points, I think you joke less as wolf

 

[Aprilthearab]

So you think the wolves decided to let Alissa die over Paws because Paws has a better wolf PR? Or what’s your thinking on them self prezzing on each other?

They were the two leading wagons iirc and if they're both wolf, that would look really suspicious NOT to self prez on each other. I don't think it says anything about PRs for one vs the other, I think it's just the way the vote count landed

 

[Animal Midwife]

Aren't you supposed to be dead? Also, don't worry, you're too noob to really be very helpful for a while 😅

FTF literally made an error and didn't notify him he died until after this post.

 

[PippyPony]

You already answered but I still want to know why you think a lone vote 4 minutes before close would make her wolf defending wolf. I think shes scummy but I'm not buying wolf.

I'm sorry, I'm still not sure what you're getting at. You said I had already answered, so what is the question? / Who is the "her" referring to? Visc?

I gave a full hour to see if others also felt weird about vis instead of me. Why is that abnormal lol

I feel like there is a possibility that yesterday you threw out an early vote on Alissa, not knowing how she often gets early suspicion, and then got panicky when Cray added her vote to yours. You pick a fight with me over my comments about your exchange with cray and say I'm deliberately misunderstanding what's happening -- when I'm actually 100% understanding what's happening.

You take your vote off Alissa, the wagon starts building on you. Dubz comes in and grumps at me for throwing suspicion onto her packmates, so she says "Pip is twisting words and playing to her wolf meta," never answers my questions about what conversations she's talking about, and peaces out. You and Alissa don't know where to vote that doesn't involve self prez-ing onto each other, so you try to get other options going while you leave your votes open (she pulls her vote off of Ms P, you had pulled your vote off of her by this point). You're SOL so you end up self-prezzing at the last second anyways.

And now I think this morning you know that genny's action went through, so you're trying to get me voted off when I'm vulnerable.

Sketchballs.

 

[Crayola227]

Kind of late in the day to make a brand new counter wagon?

Not really -- you yourself posted about an hour before close that you were looking for a new vote

This really makes me squint at Paws

 

[JustPaws]

"I know you are busy with rotation pips so let me take this opportunity to sprinkle some shade on you for being 'evasive' while you're sticking an 8" 18g spinal needle into a horse's back and can't respond"

You had time to respond to my joke messages so yeah I am feeling weird about your availability

 

[Crayola227]

So you think the wolves decided to let Alissa die over Paws because Paws has a better wolf PR? Or what’s your thinking on them self prezzing on each other?

Possibly. Or like all of us in Bioshock, where we really didn't want to put votes on one another, but when wolves where at risk (me and Alley) didn't want a wolf to die without getting some bus cred and messing with VCA.

 

[JustPaws]

This really makes me squint at Paws

The vote change for her was 4 minutes before close!

 

[Crayola227]

Can someone tell me if Pippy gets sassier as a wolf? I completely get where she's coming from here but the post she was responding to didn't seem to warrant this reaction

That's uncalled for, Cray. But I can't say it gives you any scum points, I think you joke less as wolf

She does.

And I wouldn't have poked fun at Bob like that if I didn't think he personally could take the joke. I don't make jokes like that with all noobs. And I love Bob. And I think Bob knows I do. Or he should now.

 

[PippyPony]

Can someone tell me if Pippy gets sassier as a wolf? I completely get where she's coming from here but the post she was responding to didn't seem to warrant this reaction

Yes, but I also get heckin sassy when I am being used as wolf bait. You can reference my game play in many games for that, including WWarriors.

 

[Crayola227]

Can someone tell me if Pippy gets sassier as a wolf? I completely get where she's coming from here but the post she was responding to didn't seem to warrant this reaction

That's uncalled for, Cray. But I can't say it gives you any scum points, I think you joke less as wolf

Also yes wolf me reins in the jokes something fierce.

 

[PippyPony]

W

You had time to respond to my joke messages so yeah I am feeling weird about your availability

When?

 

[PippyPony]

Whatever though, now I'm almost 10 min late coming back from my 15 min lunch

 

[JustPaws]

Ok after catch up I think alissa reads upset villager, and I was also bothered by two of Vis's three posts so i think i will vote there

unvote alissa
vote vis

You take your vote off Alissa, the wagon starts building on you. Dubz comes in and grumps at me for throwing suspicion onto her packmates, so she says "Pip is twisting words and playing to her wolf meta," never answers my questions about what conversations she's talking about, and peaces out. You and Alissa don't know where to vote that doesn't involve self prez-ing onto each other, so you try to get other options going while you leave your votes open (she pulls her vote off of Ms P, you had pulled your vote off of her by this point). You're SOL so you end up self-prezzing at the last second anyways.

You are selectively remembering. I unvoted alissa at 9pm. Well after all the things you say happened after I unvoted.

 

[Crayola227]

I gots to bounce and won't be on until around 4 pm Fantasyland. Maybe reading thread but few replies.

I'm leaning to a visc or Paws vote but not sure yet so not gonna vote yet.

 

[JustPaws]

You are selectively remembering. I unvoted alissa at 9pm. Well after all the things you say happened after I unvoted.

Also this shows I gave 2 hours to offer another option for votes aside from myself which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. You are really pissing me off pips. Get out of your tin foil. I like the vis vote anyways.

 

[JustPaws]

This really makes me squint at Paws

Why

 

[JustPaws]

If you ever come to my house, I'm not offering you any of my crystal light 😛

Not enough. Not enough.

I think you tried to eat one & hoard one but they were actually just designed to get you 4 gold to buy the féth fíada sooner

You are literally the WORST at reading Paws; even more so if one of you is a chaos goo

Do you feel like she is defending me erroneously? She is still saying I could be scummy in another way lol

W

When?

See above plus multiple reacts and non content votes today. But seriously just chill. I'm not making a case for you I just dont like you calling me a liar and then refusing to answer my short, reasonable questions

 

[JustPaws]

I'm sorry, I'm still not sure what you're getting at. You said I had already answered, so what is the question? / Who is the "her" referring to? Visc?

You said my vote change an hour before was the same as vis vote change at 4 minutes prior. Except mine was two hours before, was to present a clear other wagon, had examples of why I was changing, and thus actually was a viable wagon since clearly others think she is sketch. I want to know why you think vis is a "wolf" specifically not just other scum and was trying to save alissa with a lone vote 4 minutes before. You stated you 100% agreed with that assessment and that makes no freaking sense

 

[PippyPony]

You are selectively remembering. I unvoted alissa at 9pm. Well after all the things you say happened after I unvoted.

I probably am misremembering the exact timing. I'm not staring at the thread, I'm glancing at this in the middle of a busy rotation. Is that the best rebuttal you have?

Also this shows I gave 2 hours to offer another option for votes aside from myself which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. You are really pissing me off pips. Get out of your tin foil. I like the vis vote anyways.

I bet I am annoying you if you are wolfy. It's not a tin foil, it's a read.

See above plus multiple reacts and non content votes today. But seriously just chill. I'm not making a case for you I just dont like you calling me a liar and then refusing to answer my short, reasonable questions

3 of those posts were from yesterday -- and one was a specific answer to your question about potatoes in a game from 2 years ago -- one of them is a comment to AM not you. So you basically just mean I didn't respond to your question about whether I think AM is misreading you?

I think she is probably 3P, so yes, I think she is looking to keep you alive. Even if she's not, she stinks at reading you when you are scum and everyone knows that.

And I'm sorry for reacting to a couple of posts? Guess I will not try to have fun anymore.

 

[PippyPony]

You said my vote change an hour before was the same as vis vote change at 4 minutes prior. Except mine was two hours before, was to present a clear other wagon, had examples of why I was changing, and thus actually was a viable wagon since clearly others think she is sketch. I want to know why you think vis is a "wolf" specifically not just other scum and was trying to save alissa with a lone vote 4 minutes before. You stated you 100% agreed with that assessment and that makes no freaking sense

I explained my interpretation of yesterday up there^

I have no idea if vis is a wolf, mafia, pond scum, or other non-village. I've unsubscribed to those distinctions.

I think it's sketchy she held her vote all day and thought that both you and Alissa were village, and I think she deserves to be pressured for that today.

 

[Viscernable]

I don’t understand the argument that switching 4 min from close from one person with no votes besides me who flipped v to another was my attempt at defending alissa. Sure, I didn’t want alissa or paws to be yeeted because I didn’t think either was scum, so I switched onto MsP specifically because she was the one of my top two scumreads who I thought had one other vote on her. If my priority was defending alissa, not scumhunting, I would have switched onto sunny, I would have been a lot more concerned about checking how many votes were on people, and I wouldn’t have “tried to build a counterwagon” 4 minutes before close.

I’m interested in hearing how people who say I was defending alissa think the night kills work with that theory. We can assume chaos probably died via his 50% auto-kill since there’s no apparent reason for scum to have targeted him, genny obviously wasn’t killed by wolves, so that leaves bob and/or MsP for the wolf factional kill. Why tf would I choose to flip one of them overnight when it’s such a “bad look” for me?

 

[PippyPony]

Ms P makes sense to me as a factional kill -- by Alissa voting for her/trying to drive the idea that she was sketch, and then Ms P contributing to the wagon on Alissa, she was effectively clear.

 

[JustPaws]

I want to see what she does today first tbh.

What's your updated read on me

 

[Animal Midwife]

What's your updated read on me

As I said earlier, not a wolf.

 

[JustPaws]

As I said earlier, not a wolf.

Yes I am aware of that part, but would like an UPDATED read. If there is no change then please state that

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yes I am aware of that part, but would like an UPDATED read. If there is no change then please state that

I don't know why it would have changed in the two hours since I said that. I'm waiting on more votes to occur.

 

[Zenge142]

I don’t understand the argument that switching 4 min from close from one person with no votes besides me who flipped v to another was my attempt at defending alissa. Sure, I didn’t want alissa or paws to be yeeted because I didn’t think either was scum, so I switched onto MsP specifically because she was the one of my top two scumreads who I thought had one other vote on her. If my priority was defending alissa, not scumhunting, I would have switched onto sunny, I would have been a lot more concerned about checking how many votes were on people, and I wouldn’t have “tried to build a counterwagon” 4 minutes before close.

I’m interested in hearing how people who say I was defending alissa think the night kills work with that theory. We can assume chaos probably died via his 50% auto-kill since there’s no apparent reason for scum to have targeted him, genny obviously wasn’t killed by wolves, so that leaves bob and/or MsP for the wolf factional kill. Why tf would I choose to flip one of them overnight when it’s such a “bad look” for me?

I guess I just don’t understand why you switched at all then? Were you still wolf reading Bob at the time? Why switch at all?

You’re saying you would have switched to someone else if you were trying to save Alissa, and you wouldn’t have done it 4 minutes to close, but in the post where you switch you specifically say you’re switching because there’s no one on Bob and you think you might be able to get MsP yeeted.

Eh Bob’s vote has disintegrated now and there’s a slim chance of MsP being voted over alissa or Paws who I don’t feel are great choices

Unvote: Bob
Vote: MsP

So you clearly did think there was a chance of this wagon taking off, 4 minutes to close or no.

Also, I don’t think it looks bad for you that MsP or Bob is dead the way you’re trying to say it does. They weren’t sus of you, you were sussing them. If they had been voting for you, and trying to yeet you, and then they wound up dead, that would be one thing, and that would look bad. So it’s weird that you’re saying them being dead “looks bad for you” as a way of defending yourself.

 

[WildZoo]

"I know you are busy with rotation pips so let me take this opportunity to sprinkle some shade on you for being 'evasive' while you're sticking an 8" 18g spinal needle into a horse's back and can't respond"

To be fair you did the same thing to me yesterday

 

[WildZoo]

Also hello, my vote doesn't show up because I can't actually vote 🙂

 

[WildZoo]

never answers my questions about what conversations she's talking about, and peaces out.

This is not true? I answered your questions when I came back.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Also hello, my vote doesn't show up because I can't actually vote 🙂

But I can't find roles that would cause this issue.

 

[WildZoo]

But I can't find roles that would cause this issue.

2S Solar God Priest Actor Tourist

 

[Animal Midwife]

2S Solar God Priest Actor Tourist

Ah, I missed the priest actor combo. Well at least it's only 2x.

 

[Animal Midwife]

dubz is now village to me.

 

[JustPaws]

What is a survivor wincon then?

 

[Animal Midwife]

What is a survivor wincon then?

They have to survive until all other applicable factions have won.

 

[PippyPony]

2S Solar God Priest Actor Tourist

This is absurd