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I tinfoil that you stole MJs vote to vote you and your own vote to I don't know it's a work in progress
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Okay I'm the king that sits on the tin foil throne, but dude.....thats a stretch even for me.
 
I'm kind of hoping conversion is not an option for Coffee? given her role. Seems pretty broken because what if they converted her before she used the ability?
Usually it’s a reveal your current affiliation thing and not reveal that you’re village, no? I know ziggy asked about conversion and her friendly neighbor ability in Dogs and we told her that it would be her current affiliation.
 
Usually it’s a reveal your current affiliation thing and not reveal that you’re village, no? I know ziggy asked in Dogs and we told her that it would be her current affiliation.

I think that's the only instance and first time I've heard of something like that. Inno is just a village tool.
 
@Karabiner13 Now with colors 😀

lupes (1) - genny
mel (1) - cray
kara (1) - snowy
weim (1) - am
cray (1) - zigzag
mel (2) - karabou
capri (1) - skim
dina (1) - barkley
sar (1) - koffee
dina (2) - dubz
koffee (1) - shelter
zigzag
(1) - killer
am (1) - vmh
zigzag (0) - killer
statistics (1) - killer
dina (1) - dubz (she unlynched barks first)
am (2) - dubz
killer (1) - lupes
am (3) - capri
cray (0) - zigzag
shelter (1) - zigzag
zigzag
(1) - dolphin
paws (1) - mel
zigzag (2) - dina
lupes (0) - genny
capri (2) - genny
killer (2) - sar
koffee (2) - bryndy
zigzag (3) - gwen
paws (0) - mel
statistics (2) - mel
math (1) - moose
mel (1) - karabou
bryndy (1) - karabou
am (2) - vmh
bryndy (2) - vmh
kara (0) - snowy
bryndy (3) - snowy
am (1) - dubz
capri (3) - dubz
killer (3) - mutts
koffee (3) - mj
stats (1) - killer
zigzag (4) - killer
shelter (0) - zigzag
moose (1) - zigzag
sar (0) - koffee
genny (1) - koffee
math (0) - moose
dolphin (1) - moose
dina (0) - barks
moose (2) - barks
zigzag (3) - gwen
zigzag
(2) - dolphin
capri (2) - genny

moose (3) - genny
stats (0) - mel
kara (1) - mel
dina (1) - msu
cray (1) - gwen
dina (0) - msu
killer (4) - cubs
sporty (1) - stagg
kara (2) - dolphin
zigzag (1) - dina
killer (5) - dina
koffee (4) - ski
killer (4) - lupes
bryndy (4) - lupes
genny (0) - koffee
bryndy (5) - koffee
am (0) - capri
gwen (2) - capri
sporty (0) - stagg
kara (3) - stagg
koffee (3) - bryndy
killer (5) - bryndy
(zigzag attempts to unlynch moose and lynch bryndy but is late)

moose (1) - zigzag
cray (1) - koffee
gwen (1) - am
capri (1) - dubz
moose (2) - sar
msu (1) - moose
moose
(3) - genny
bryndy (1) - lupes
kara (1) - cubs
koffee (1) - ski
sar (1) - killer
msu (0) - moose
kara (2) - moose
lupes (1) - dina
dubz (1) - snowy
bryndy (2) - weim
stagg (1) - dolphin
msu (1) - bryndy
bryndy (1) - lupes
gwen (2) - lupes
kara (3) - mel
cray (2) - mutts
moose (4) - vmh
stagg (2) - skim
moose (5) - stagg
cray (1) - koffee
am (1) - koffee
cray (0) - mutts
kara (4) - mutts
moose (4) - stagg
kara (5) - stagg
gwen (1) - lupes
moose (5) - lupes
moose (6) - cray

contingency zigzag (1) - koffee - but zigzag dies
contingency kara (1) - stagg
cray (1) - zigzag - but zigzag dies
contingency capri (1) - dubz
kara (2) - mel
gwen (1) - am
kara (1) - mel
paws (1) - mel

dubz (1) - snowy
dubz (2) - vmh
paws (0) - mel
kara (2) - mel
stagg (1) - sar
gwen (2) - genny
kara (3) - weim
koffee (1) - cubs
am (1) - koffee
sar (1) - killer
mel (1) - karabou
dubz (1) - vmh
koffee (2) - vmh
capri (1) - lupin
koffee (3) - mj
am (0) - koffee
gwen (3) - koffee
lupes (1) - cray
koffee (4) - ski
koffee (3) - ski
koffee (2) - cubs

stagg (2) - bryndy
capri (2) - cubs
gwen (4) - ski
cray (1) - mutts
stagg (3) - skim
mel (0) - karabou
stagg (4) - karabou
kara (2) - stagg
gwen (5) - stagg
kara (3) - msu
gwen (4) - koffee
kara (4) - koffee
stagg (3) - karabou
gwen (5) - karabou
capri (2) - cubs
kara (5) - cubs
capri (1) - lupes
gwen (6) - lupes
dubz (0) - snowy
stagg (4) - snowy
unlynch gwen, lynch kara - stagg (but too late)
 
I think that's the only instance and first time I've heard of something like that. Inno is just a village tool.
She was converted post-usage of a similar thing in the noob game, but yes in that instance it was not an innocent child role per se, it was just that her role would be revealed on thread once she used up her healing ability.

I don't think it would be unreasonable for her to be convertible here. If she was converted prior to using it, she would just lose the ability.
 
Why would you be talking about conversion?

bojack-horseman-wanda-rose-colored-glasses-3o6j8KqIw0Lgmt2Fsk

Contingency lynch AM
That was my deal yes?

Because I want to end the idea of you even being a candidate. It doesn't make sense to me.

That was your deal but this is kind of sad. You need to look at the bigger picture.
 
She was converted post-usage of a similar thing in the noob game, but yes in that instance it was not an innocent child role per se, it was just that her role would be revealed on thread once she used up her healing ability.

I don't think it would be unreasonable for her to be convertible here. If she was converted prior to using it, she would just lose the ability.

Sigh. I just want someone to be clear.
 
Do you think Cray is likely to be lynched today? And what exactly is off about her?

More specific on Cray feels -
Ziggy interactions - trying to “coach” her against her feels, while i think the coaching and links are NAI the extra push on ziggy felt forced #838 and excessive #1079 #1095 especially when she was being hypocritical and contradictory - making large no one else do “this”, then does “this” - very critical of someone who is learning and has expressed being sensitive to personal attacks #1059 (I actually think ziggy handled her emotions well this game)
Tinfoil: could WIFOM why would she vote to lynch ziggy and then NK her
Why this? #1141 People were asking for the bickering to stop, this isn’t an apology for the personal comments to ziggy so what was it in reply to

Manufacturing sketch?:
-on PM partner #618 #1315
-on a confirmed villager #1269

On the moose lynch - weak reasoning, I may have missed another reasoning #935

I think I could bucket Lupin, AM, Snowy & maybe a couple others better with a Cray wolf flip - if shes village I’d probably move on to AM next
 
I guess another question I have is why capri is in both neutral and village.
Mostly a typo, but I also had her neutral first then decided to add the notes on her

Update on this? Think this was your read of the ziggy/cray argument

Oh good, two of my other wolf leans are defending my top wolf lean...

Yea, I still want to lynch Cray & voted there since ziggy flipped v - no one seems to agree
I don’t really consider NAI a defense but you didn't answer my question there either

Ziggy had no ability revealed. Possibly she was nilla
Possibly, not explicitly written though

Point of information, that's the name of a song, not just like "oh this horse is so bland and generic that it doesn't have a name"
That part was mostly a joke - I know the video was linked in the write up
 
Freaking you and trilt man. On my case and pushing me for more, can we investigate leads I've produced first and THEN push me for more?

If no one wants to vote Kara, I am willing to back a Lupin lynch too. Some of you have mentioned her on your sketch lists, lets see y'all put your money where your mouths are.
bbbbbut... MOAR

as far as Lupin, I'm pretty disappointed in the interest there. Kara was close to lynched two days in a row, people are on her, they have Lupin on their sketch list, and Kara is defending Lupin

so, why did Kara or Lupin not get lynched tonight?

to be fair, I'm losing interest in those lynches just because I start doubting myself. Like, what if you're the wolf and Kara and Lupin are village???
 
More specific on Cray feels -
Ziggy interactions - trying to “coach” her against her feels, while i think the coaching and links are NAI the extra push on ziggy felt forced #838 and excessive #1079 #1095 especially when she was being hypocritical and contradictory - making large no one else do “this”, then does “this” - very critical of someone who is learning and has expressed being sensitive to personal attacks #1059 (I actually think ziggy handled her emotions well this game)
Tinfoil: could WIFOM why would she vote to lynch ziggy and then NK her
Why this? #1141 People were asking for the bickering to stop, this isn’t an apology for the personal comments to ziggy so what was it in reply to

Manufacturing sketch?:
-on PM partner #618 #1315
-on a confirmed villager #1269

On the moose lynch - weak reasoning, I may have missed another reasoning #935

I think I could bucket Lupin, AM, Snowy & maybe a couple others better with a Cray wolf flip - if shes village I’d probably move on to AM next

This feels off. In general, your wolfreads match up pretty well with hers, so that confuses me to begin with.

The posts you linked were theory-based and didn't ever involve voting for or otherwise pushing zigzag.

Coffee? wasn't a confirmed villager at the time of that post.

Explain how I'm connected to a Cray village/wolf flip.

I need better reasoning than this because you're sketching me out.
 
Seemed a little early for that tbh
Mmmm was it though? She was in the lead and didn't seem like a lot of people wanted to move off of her.
I remembered why I wanted to quote this.
I'm curious, are you saying you think MSU is a wolf and therefore the tied 4 are clear because of the way she voted...or are you saying the tied 4 are clear because of ~reasons~ and MSU is a wolf because of the way she voted?
The former.
I'm kind of hoping conversion is not an option for Coffee? given her role. Seems pretty broken because what if they converted her before she used the ability?
I mean mods could always vanillize the convert.
 
Mmmm was it though? She was in the lead and didn't seem like a lot of people wanted to move off of her.

The former.

I mean mods could always vanillize the convert.
So you think MSU is a wolf, had your vote stolen, but it still ended up on someone you think is a wolf?
 
I didn't find her sketchy, but I don't like being part of a tie with 15 minutes left. Do you find someone placing self-prez 15 minutes from deadline sketchy?
Nah I find it NAI. Was just wondering if you had any thoughts on her besides the self prez.

I probably would have waited it out a bit to see where the vote went but not everybody likes to flirt with lynch close like I do.
 
Mmmm accidental wolfy fishing methinks

What I was talking about above. Like there's really nothing here that tells me any real wolf hunting is going on.

They were saying it was village, my intent was more towards mechanics not trying to sus out what you were.
During the day I'm usually mobile and replying in the middle of my work day & it likely won't get more specific than that unless I find magical time
Added a detailed post on Cray - like I said I would, any questions for me? or you want to share why we should be lynching capri?

This feels off. In general, your wolfreads match up pretty well with hers, so that confuses me to begin with.

The posts you linked were theory-based and didn't ever involve voting for or otherwise pushing zigzag.

Coffee? wasn't a confirmed villager at the time of that post.

Explain how I'm connected to a Cray village/wolf flip.

I need better reasoning than this because you're sketching me out.

It wasn't about trying to push a ziggy lynch they're theory based but like I said there were personal comments that felt unnecessary and forced = off imo
If she's a wolf, she would have known at that point Coffee's affiliation
Because if she's village I'll acknowledge I was wrong about her but I feel theres a wolf in my current reads and you're next up - not directly related
That's what felt off to me and continue's my interest in her lynch.

You didn't address her comments about Lupin. How do you feel about those? That seem fine to you?
 
Yea, I still want to lynch Cray & voted there since ziggy flipped v - no one seems to agree
I don’t really consider NAI a defense but you didn't answer my question there either
Oh I consider it a soft defense when my question was specifically asking why I shouldn't be voting for capri
I intentionally did not answer your question because I'm in the middle of a conversation with capri about her thoughts
 
Mmmm was it though? She was in the lead and didn't seem like a lot of people wanted to move off of her.
She had 3 or 4 votes with half the players not voting yet and I didn't see any huge push for her...
obviously she's village so doesn't really matter, i just think you lose a lot of the utility of that role using it in that spot and that's a shame

The former.
So what do you think of the tie if MSU is village?
 
It wasn't about trying to push a ziggy lynch they're theory based but like I said there were personal comments that felt unnecessary and forced = off imo
If she's a wolf, she would have known at that point Coffee's affiliation
Because if she's village I'll acknowledge I was wrong about her but I feel theres a wolf in my current reads and you're next up - not directly related
That's what felt off to me and continue's my interest in her lynch.

You didn't address her comments about Lupin. How do you feel about those? That seem fine to you?

The Lupin comments were included in with the fact that you're also suspecting Lupin. I just don't understand how it's an issue if you believe in it too.

If Cray's a wolf, and knew what Coffee?'s affiliation was, why did she make that comment then?

I would like some actual reasons for me and why this is set up on her flipping village. What will you do if Cray flips wolf?
 
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Oh I consider it a soft defense when my question was specifically asking why I shouldn't be voting for capri
I intentionally did not answer your question because I'm in the middle of a conversation with capri about her thoughts
You asked why there was resistance, not why you shouldn't be voting there
I replied I didn't see anything affiliation indicative in her behavior and asked why we should.
I'm still interested in the answer once your discussion is over
 
You asked why there was resistance, not why you shouldn't be voting there
I replied I didn't see anything affiliation indicative in her behavior and asked why we should.
I'm still interested in the answer once your discussion is over
It was a way of asking why I shouldn't be voting there
 
Leaning wolf
Cray = super sketch, being helpful in regards to mechanics but seems off
AM = super sketch
Bryndi = still dont like she survived a tie but likely NAI
Lupin = need to ISO
Killer = tinfoil zombie convert - likely wrong but i can't get past this one

Leaning village
Kara = busy irl, seems to be participating when she can
Mel = tunneling Kara, seems v/v
Capri = usually read her wrong so not really sure but seems v
Dubz = seems v
Stagg = busy irl, trying to catch up - picking up on AM sketch too
Snowy = seems v in PM
genny, cubs, dina, ski = no strong reads here
coffee = mod confirmed village

Neutral/Not sure
Weim, Capri, Gwen, skim, MSU, SAR, MJ, vmh

lynch Cray
Oh I see, after tunneling me for like 3 days, it's become apparent to you that you are the only one picking up on some essential truth about me that everyone else is missing

I am truly the only and bestest wolf candidate for the entire game

come off it, also later you say I lynched ziggy, I NEVER VOTED ZIGGY

so how is that for inconsistency then? so you're either lying, or you're just mistaken. In either case, maybe it's time for you to rethink things. Consider, if you are mistaken about that about me, is it possible you are reading too much into anything else? Maybe not. But if someone pointed out that you might be, would you be able to entertain the notion?

If I have my own interpretation of something, best believe I will share it. If someone's reasoning could use some reasoning, best believe. So while I went after Ziggy for those things, that did not mean that I thought she was a wolf. Guess what? Villagers need to push each other to be better. Wolves push villagers, yes. This is again, there is no action that is village or wolfy. There are things that people are trying to accomplish, and sometimes the exact same thing (yelling at a villager) can be done to achieve different ends. Am I more village if I just let villagers run around blind to the things they don't know and they don't see???

I'm rethinking Kara and Lupin. I haven't tried to kill Mel. How's that for consistency? It isn't inconsistency. It's called, get your head out of your ass and actually reconsider what you think you know when you are uninformed majority.

So, if I can do it, and I still think I have some claim to the title village idiot, what is preventing you people from entertaining a different notion?

I don't give a damn you are voting me. I do give a damn that you are voting me more than once in isolation as a noob and with very little to go on, and you do not appear to be doing much else, let alone listening to other players.

So, do me a favour. Don't change your vote. That's not my goal here. So keep it there if it frees your mind. Now that you've got me all figured out as the wolf mastermind that only you can see, come up with a list of my buddies. Even better if the case you make for them doesn't have to rely on the supposition that I am a wolf or what my flip is. Just in case you're wrong or I don't die on your timetable, it might help catch wolves.

I was really excited to find out that Kara and Lupin were wolves. But, I think if I just decide my work here now is done and I will just entertain no other candidates or that I might even be wrong, just waiting around for them to die or for people to agree with me when clearly they're not impressed with my arguments, it might be time to move on.
 
bbbbbut... MOAR

as far as Lupin, I'm pretty disappointed in the interest there. Kara was close to lynched two days in a row, people are on her, they have Lupin on their sketch list, and Kara is defending Lupin

so, why did Kara or Lupin not get lynched tonight?

to be fair, I'm losing interest in those lynches just because I start doubting myself. Like, what if you're the wolf and Kara and Lupin are village???
Well I would have preferred to see capri lynched but instead all the waffles went to gwen and kara.
I'm not interested in lynching lupin this early either. I don't have a strong read on her, other than agreeing with a few of her thoughts, but I don't really see why she would be top of anyone's list right now.
 
So you think MSU is a wolf, had your vote stolen, but it still ended up on someone you think is a wolf?
Yep.
She had 3 or 4 votes with half the players not voting yet and I didn't see any huge push for her...
obviously she's village so doesn't really matter, i just think you lose a lot of the utility of that role using it in that spot and that's a shame
I see your point.
So what do you think of the tie if MSU is village?
Not sure. Haven't thought that far ahead yet. It basically invalidates the village read I had on Bryndy and the other three have all been confirmed village, so guess I'd have to go back to the drawing board on her.
 
The Lupin comments were included in with the fact that you're also suspecting Lupin. I just don't understand how it's an issue if you also believe in it.

If she's a wolf, and knew what Coffee?'s affiliation was, why did she make that comment then?

I would like some actual reasons for me and why this is set up on her flipping village. What will you do if Cray flips wolf?

If she flips wolf, Lupin would lean more village but she could also be bussing since she voted there and tried to push it but it did not really take off. She also flagged Mel's being hesitant when Kara's lynch picked up to make space for herself to jump ship if needed.
Tinfoil/WIFOM - which eve it is, she made the coffee comment to manufacture sketch coffee

This conversation is giving me sketch vibes from you, there have been other examples too but, what's the point of me pulling specifics if you're going to tell me it's not enough?
My feels are mine, you don't agree - cool but that doesn't make me a wolf
 
If she flips wolf, Lupin would lean more village but she could also be bussing since she voted there and tried to push it but it did not really take off. She also flagged Mel's being hesitant when Kara's lynch picked up to make space for herself to jump ship if needed.
Tinfoil/WIFOM - which eve it is, she made the coffee comment to manufacture sketch coffee

This conversation is giving me sketch vibes from you, there have been other examples too but, what's the point of me pulling specifics if you're going to tell me it's not enough?
My feels are mine, you don't agree - cool but that doesn't make me a wolf

You skipped over where I'm involved in this. And how is Lupin still a wolfread is Cray flips wolf? Who would you clear based on a Cray village/wolf flip, is what I'm asking. If me trying to clarify your own thoughts is sketchy, I don't know what to say.
 
You lynched me in Dogs for following you, so I don't trust you won't flip it again - but I would prefer Lupin over any of the other top votes
how do you feel that I am your top wolf candidate pushing so strongly and specifically on Lupin? does this affect what you think of her? of me?
 
I know you've since re-evaluated bryndy as indicated below but why didn't you vote for bryndy again D2 if you were still feeling her?
I am going to be honest and say that I had a very difficult time paying attention to thread yesterday for personal reasons and wasn't playing as well I could have been

In retrospect I probably would have walked back on my bryndi suspicions yesterday, but didn't really think about her again until you asked me
 
I see that AM has a few players in her sketch pile and it makes me feel better to know there are others on it that are not just players who have been largely absent. She is one of my village leans. I like that KB came back with some reads that have merit to them, I still don't like her justification of her d1 vote on me but right now that's all she is sketching me out with. You and snowy have moved from wolf leans to neutral/slight village.
Why have your thoughts on snowy and I changed?
 
Not sure. Haven't thought that far ahead yet. It basically invalidates the village read I had on Bryndy and the other three have all been confirmed village, so guess I'd have to go back to the drawing board on her.
Hmmm. I don't know if I like a tinfoil where you haven't thought through the possibilities.
 
OK welcome to my mental process as I catch up (also I loved SDN being down for me in the middle of compiling this, that was not stressful at all i swear):

I feel that I am still trying to find my style. 🙂 For the most part, I like to read thru things, and think about them. but then I get accused of not talking enough. It gets a little frustrating!
Same, and I've decided that is my style - lurk while the game is getting ramped up, inevitably piss people off by lurking, occasionally get voted off just for lurking, occasionally not. I used to get frustrated by that too but now I'm just like LOOK YALL THIS IS ME.

Lynch gwen
y tho?

The Karabou Reads:
28. karabou: village
- fear free posting, don't care what others think
- needs more posts when can
LOL I appreciate a self read. Trying to decide if this long list of reads makes me feel better about you or if it vibes like manufactured wolf hunting effort.

Also feels like manufacturing suspicion, especially given that covfefe has also made several posts about how we shouldn't lynch quiet players
I had the same thought but couldn't decide if I was just butthurt cause it was about me or not...

Hey cray whats up with majority of your posts being like game theory and explaining stuff to the new kids instead of tinfoiling on actual relevant or relevant-adjacent game stuff like usual?

Lol and once I'm shown to be village, who?
You've been gone 48 hours how about some productivity to make up for it?
This feels like wolf sass kinda?

lynch Lupin
y tho??? did you really just do a 1000 word essay on why AM is sketchy and then lynch Lupin??? yyyyyy
A hush falls over the crowd as a small yet impressive horse is unloaded off of a fancy trailer...

The adoring fans are all at once struck by how adorable and village
@CoffeeQuestionMark is, and they all begin to applaud and squeal for joy
what is this? WHAT is this?

Lynch Capri to see where this goes
what would you have thought if it picked up steam? what do you think since it didn't?

I missed something. Did one of the lynches end on a tie?
crayyyy you're freakin me out. you are too smart for this. the only other time i've seen you "play dumb" like this was that one game where you waffled the crap out of something at the end of lynch and were all like OOPS WHAT HAPPENED WHAT DO I DO and you were a wolf -__-

Especially when y'all have PM access. Does no one use PM anymore? I am so confused to what I have returned to for sure.
We have been PMing. But no I pretty much hate PMing I am way to paranoid for it TBH.
 
@WeimMama point me to it if you posted it but what was your reason behind your lynch vote?
I'm not ignoring this, will come back to it cause I need to go digging further back to reply

ETA: you're right, I never said. mostly vibes and little pings from D1 TBH. I stongly disliked your complete absence D2 and something makes me deeply paranoid about people opening PMs with me and acting very jovial. so there.
 
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(also I loved SDN being down for me in the middle of compiling this, that was not stressful at all i swear)
Oh sorry was that cord I unplugged important? 😉
but also I think that outage was the universe telling me to **** or get off the pot in regards to studying for this exam I have tomorrow…
 
additional tidbit: I'm feeling marginally villagey about mutt after all the cray explorations. found myself nodding along with a fair bit of that
 
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