Kirby - Game Thread

[JaggedJimmyJay]

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It's easy to talk a big game.

I want to address this bit to ensure that my methods are interpreted as I intend, regardless of how anyone reads me. I don't have any interest in "talking a big game". I am interested only in trying to solve the game, and to do so I am relying on both my own judgments and on the judgments of others. That is helping me to build a full perspective of the game, and I don't believe it is ever too early for that.

I could well be wrong about stuff. My reads could be straight up terrible. They were bad in Time to Get a WWatch. But I have to trust in my own ability to make judgments, within reason, or else I am going to second-guess everything I say and do and be paralyzed to make any progress. It's entirely possible that my reads are extra stinky poopoo, and if anyone tells me so I will listen to that. But I need specifics. Telling me in broad strokes that I am "too confident" is a misunderstanding of my approach, and telling me in broad strokes that "the mafia aren't likely to be quiet" without referencing who isn't quiet doesn't move the needle (@mightyrunner7). That doesn't mean I am not receptive to other viewpoints. I love other viewpoints. That's all I want.

Teamwork makes the dreamwork.

 

[DrWilgy]

Yes. If you click the magnifying glass and select "this thread" you can type the player's name in and see their posts ordered from most to least recent.

Thank you. This makes sense.

 

[Boquise]

Alright, gang. Champs practice. Serious business. No Day 0. Directly into the fray. Let us discern the mafia immediately.

@Zenge142
@samac
@WildZoo

I believe you have already posted. What's your strategy to solving this game?

whats YOUR strategy to solve the game, Mr. Jagged J. Jay?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

whats YOUR strategy to solve the game, Mr. Jagged J. Jay?

I suspect you'll find out very soon as you catch up, Agent Cooper. Put succinctly: POE, put 'em in a box. I'm afraid it's similar to the stuff you saw in S7SF3, so apologies in advance.

 

[samac]

I wanna be thread mommy but don’t have any good wolf reads 😢

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I wanna be thread mommy but don’t have any good wolf reads 😢

Do you have any good town reads? Those are my favorite.

 

[mightyrunner7]

Good post.

To clarify: do you think JJJ is a wolf, or simply generous in his town reads? If a wolf, are you including him when you say the list has at least 1 wolf, or are you counting him separately? (Maybe a confusing question - I guess I’m wondering if you think wolf!JJJ included one or both partners in his town list, and also if all the wolves were contributing, or not.)

I'm thinking it's a bit early to use this as justification for a wolf!JJJ read, but I would not put him any higher than neutral.

As for my comment about a wolf in the list, it's more tied to an assertion of wolf activity than a comment of JJJ's alignment. I believe both wolf!JJJ and village!JJJ would include a wolf in this list, either intentionally or unintentionally.

 

[DrWilgy]

Pippy used to play frequently but then she had to go get a job with Many Important Things To Do and couldn’t play as much as people like Slacker Dr.genny. Does that explain the thread tension?

Not really. I don't think the tension is what was in question, but more so why did WildZoo pose the question on Pippy specifically.

It's worthy of note because Pippy has been in the light and has already drawn thread tension by the time the questions pop up. While I cannot draw alignment data in current from this exchange, I think I will be able to eventually.

 

[samac]

Do you have any good town reads? Those are my favorite.

Mighty feels like a good solid villager.
Moon feels good, no reason other than I like her and follow her logic.
Dubz feels alright.

PSV feels funny but that’s par for the course for me on day 1 so that probably means she’s village.

 

[moonstermash]

On mobile again and doing a little rereading, PSV’s “wolf on Pippy” comment stood out to me, as well as all the replies to it. Initially I thought PSV was wolfy for it (felt too early to say and weirdly shady), but given the range of replies (mostly questioning/disagreeing), I wonder if it’s more likely a wolf is somewhere in the crowd instead. (There was one interaction I thought had the potential to be W/W, with mighty, in post #284.)

I did like genny and WildZoo’s replies to PSV, though. And there were a couple other PSV posts I didn’t like, but that might be confirmation bias.

Sorry to be kinda vague; I didn’t see an easy way to multiquote from bookmarks, and I wanted to note down my thoughts before they got stale. I will elaborate more when I’m back on desktop.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mighty feels like a good solid villager.
Moon feels good, no reason other than I like her and follow her logic.
Dubz feels alright.

PSV feels funny but that’s par for the course for me on day 1 so that probably means she’s village.

I appreciate the read on mighty; that helps. I struggle with that read given the combined biases of last game and the way he's opened this one with respect to me. At the least I don't have suspicions.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Other initial thoughts I have

I think I feel ok about zenge and samac so far.

I like JJJ's posts and reads but he scares me a little bit

Mighty's pop in to mention post count and disappearing is NAI to me

I rely heavily on meta to game solve so reading the new people will be lots of fun

Hi Dina! I'd appreciate if you could elaborate on the green thing.

 

[Boquise]

*Notices that there is a 40 post minimum*

Oh boy...

 

[DrWilgy]

I'm a little surprised by how many people are village reading samac at this point. Why is that?

I think Samac looked good regarding how they viewed Zenge's push on MightyRunner as opportunistic. Felt like it was coming from a town perspective, not a discourse causing one.

 

[DrWilgy]

Completely neutral. She's very hard to catch on tone so the number of people shuttling her into their village reads so early into the game is... surprising, to say the least.

Do any of these players you say shuttling Samac into their Village specifically come across as TMI?

 

[Zenge142]

I think Samac looked good regarding how they viewed Zenge's push on MightyRunner as opportunistic. Felt like it was coming from a town perspective, not a discourse causing one.

I wasn’t pushing mighty tho…

 

[DrWilgy]

Me too

the Wilgy dislikes this

 

[DrWilgy]

I wasn’t pushing mighty tho…

See, you say that, but you described it as 'odd' and dropped it. I do think it's within realm of reason to associate oddities with 'wolflike' behavior as they are not akin to the poster's supposed town alignment.

So... like what, you thought it was odd, but not AI, BUT the oddity wasn't in the difference in perspective? I think it's fair for Samac to see the same way where 'odd' is relative to alignment.

 

[DrWilgy]

like, tie me in a logic knot and call me a doctor, but I don't give the prescriptions, if you know what I mean?

 

[Boquise]

I suspect you'll find out very soon as you catch up, Agent Cooper. Put succinctly: POE, put 'em in a box. I'm afraid it's similar to the stuff you saw in S7SF3, so apologies in advance.

Ma-fi-osos! Boil them, mash them, stick them in a stew. Lovely big furry chips with a nice piece of fried fish.

 

[DrWilgy]

I've caught up again.

I'm probably incorrect on several, so I'd not say this as a town vs scum list, more so would toss and wouldn't toss overboard.

Would toss: Nate, Boq, Genny, Pippy, Mayo, Moth

Someone explain why this is incorrect and why

 

[DrWilgy]

Yo, I figured it out. I can now reply to things with more than a like.

I AM ALL POWERFUL!

 

[Zenge142]

See, you say that, but you described it as 'odd' and dropped it. I do think it's within realm of reason to associate oddities with 'wolflike' behavior as they are not akin to the poster's supposed town alignment.

So... like what, you thought it was odd, but not AI, BUT the oddity wasn't in the difference in perspective? I think it's fair for Samac to see the same way where 'odd' is relative to alignment.

I think it's reasonable to note that something is odd without going so far as to say it's wolfy. If there does happen to be an accumulation of oddities later then it's worth having made the note.

 

[DrWilgy]

I think it's reasonable to note that something is odd without going so far as to say it's wolfy. If there does happen to be an accumulation of oddities later then it's worth having made the note.

I see. I will be mindful to this.

What do you think of Mighty's responses to JJJ's lists? I feel like I don't really like it personally.

 

[genny]

I've caught up again.

I'm probably incorrect on several, so I'd not say this as a town vs scum list, more so would toss and wouldn't toss overboard.

Would toss: Nate, Boq, Genny, Pippy, Mayo, Moth

Someone explain why this is incorrect and why

So lowposters? Sounds like a winning strategy that never backfires!

 

[genny]

unvote pippy

 

[samac]

I've caught up again.

I'm probably incorrect on several, so I'd not say this as a town vs scum list, more so would toss and wouldn't toss overboard.

Would toss: Nate, Boq, Genny, Pippy, Mayo, Moth

Someone explain why this is incorrect and why

So keep all the people high posting toss the low posters?

 

[DrWilgy]

So lowposters? Sounds like a winning strategy that never backfires!

Yup!

I see at least trends that look like solving from most players who are present. I'd say that the ones I feel like I may be wrong on are WildZoo, Zenge, or Mighty, but as it stands I wouldn't toss em.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

DrWilgy is one of my top town reads already. I think as I currently view POE, it'd be more like this...

DrWilgy, samac, WildZoo, PSV, Zenge, genny, moonster (colors matter, order within colors does not). Just in case it isn't clear since I haven't said it out loud, I have been aiming for exactly seven town reads, because a 12 vs. 3 Mafia game requires a POE of seven to win on Day 1. (7 town reads + me leaves 7 remaining for POE).

@Zenge142 you'd said you lean village for genny. Would you be able to expand on that? She's a bit of a flux read for me, and it'd help a lot to sort her more conclusively.

 

[samac]

I see. I will be mindful to this.

What do you think of Mighty's responses to JJJ's lists? I feel like I don't really like it personally.

Yup!

I see at least trends that look like solving from most players who are present. I'd say that the ones I feel like I may be wrong on are WildZoo, Zenge, or Mighty, but as it stands I wouldn't toss em.

So how do you feel about mighty

 

[Boquise]

No. I could go either way on these people. You I like so far. Thought it was interesting @mightyrunner7 posted about the post cap and then vanished like a fart in the wind

Why is it interesting? @Zenge142

this is not my first rodeo. i do believe i am familiar with how to make WW posts.

Town reading this response tbh. It is snappy. I dont think wolves react with snappiness at sod1. Town are usually more prone to be defensive of their own game too, ime.

Oh darn. Premature post. Ah well.
I feel moderately confident in saying JJJ is town. While I don't doubt he could change his approach from last game after wolfing, he is much more genuine. Reminds me more strongly of WWatch. Therefore I don't see it being wolfy theater.
I don't remember why I quoted the other two.

Going to town read this post because it dives right into a clear JJJ read, instead of being wishy-washy around him. Usually something town is more prone to do than wolves who are trying to fit into the thread/find their own thread voices.

Nate's friend from The Avocado. 🙂 I think I started playing over there before he did, even? Plus I have a little forum experience, on MU and elsewhere, but in general I'm a garbage forum player.

Who are you? A wolf? Hmm, maybe not; I feel like a wolf would be more likely to be really nice and try to pocket me. 🤔

Moonster is one of the few players who I don't see it as AI to talk down their game. You are good at werewolf, you dummy tbh

Slight town lean on genny for this response to JJJ, as well. At the very least, it doesn't strike me as W/W theater.

And for the sake of creating associations, I will town read Moonster for having the same conclusion as I

Again. Spent hours looking at posts from this man. He is far more similar to his town behavior.
I'm not planting a flag in his skull that reads TOWN 4EVER AND EVER. I'm saying he is behaving more similar to how he did in WWatch. Therefore. He is a town lean.

Potentialsheltervet is either wolf with JJJ or just town. I lean towards the latter tbh

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

As often as people grumble about it, sort-by-postcount works more often than random guessing works. So a POE filled with low-posters probably doesn't solve the game outright, but it often is a valid place to start.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I could consider sheeping samac on mighty to either give me eight town reads, or to swap out someone I am less confident about.

 

[DrWilgy]

So how do you feel about mighty

I don't like this post. I'm pretty against posts that seem villagey but don't actually contribute much to game solving.

At this point in threadstate, there were only 9 players contributing (including JJJ). This post basically says "I'll give everyone a village lean except Pippy and quiet players." However, it's dressed up in a way that seems fancier and more investigative than it truly is.

I find it hard to believe that wolves were all staying silent, and that alone tells me that JJJ's list has at least 1 wolf

This post I find somewhat lacking. Mighty describing this list as 'quiet players but dressed nicely' doesn't really argue the members of the list or finds any of them to be wrong and is honestly a very vague way to say 'well 1 in 7 here could be a wolf!' and leave it at.

I suppose I see it as a form of discrediting that a wolf is more inclined to make.

I'm thinking it's a bit early to use this as justification for a wolf!JJJ read, but I would not put him any higher than neutral.

As for my comment about a wolf in the list, it's more tied to an assertion of wolf activity than a comment of JJJ's alignment. I believe both wolf!JJJ and village!JJJ would include a wolf in this list, either intentionally or unintentionally.

However, the follow up at least shows that there is some critical thinking on the subject that I'd relate to town behavior.

I'd say this puts Mighty as a slight wr, but only so. I could very well be wrong on that one.

 

[Boquise]

there is a lot of dancing around JJJ's alignment during the first few pages, and one player wondering whether JJJ and someone else (sorry, havent got used to the usernames yet and i am about to sleep) were doing w/w theatre. This was like on page 2 and I couldnt really follow that thought process due to the posts at hand.

It all feels rather mandatory, dancing around a slot that has apparently burned you recently and I don't really town read it. Feels like a topic that is said just to have it out of your way and not have to read JJJ right now. The approach is almost correct. Let ol' Boq help you with that. The pro strat isnt that you make legit reads on JJJ. No, you don't solve him and if he is alive, regardless of yeet results, at D4 you yeet him into the sun no matter what fancy, funny and charming words he says. Thats how you do it tbh

You're welcome tbh

 

[Zenge142]

What do you think of Mighty's responses to JJJ's lists? I feel like I don't really like it personally.

I had no opinion to it one way or the other from an affiliation indicative standpoint. It was generally "engaged" in the content. Gun to my head I felt it was a little more village sided and making an effort to solve. However I'm not prepared to lean Mighty one way or the other for it.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

there is a lot of dancing around JJJ's alignment during the first few pages, and one player wondering whether JJJ and someone else (sorry, havent got used to the usernames yet and i am about to sleep) were doing w/w theatre. This was like on page 2 and I couldnt really follow that thought process due to the posts at hand.

It all feels rather mandatory, dancing around a slot that has apparently burned you recently and I don't really town read it. Feels like a topic that is said just to have it out of your way and not have to read JJJ right now. The approach is almost correct. Let ol' Boq help you with that. The pro strat isnt that you make legit reads on JJJ. No, you don't solve him and if he is alive, regardless of yeet results, at D4 you yeet him into the sun no matter what fancy, funny and charming words he says. Thats how you do it tbh

You're welcome tbh

Could be copypasta with my name substituted for Voxx. 🖖

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge () -
Pippy (2) - Zenge 63, Wilgy 33
mayo (1) - samac 42
samac (1) - dubz 47
moth (3) - Pippy 37, PSV 30, moon 19

7/15
yeet close in ~27.5 hours

 

[DrWilgy]

there is a lot of dancing around JJJ's alignment during the first few pages, and one player wondering whether JJJ and someone else (sorry, havent got used to the usernames yet and i am about to sleep) were doing w/w theatre. This was like on page 2 and I couldnt really follow that thought process due to the posts at hand.

It all feels rather mandatory, dancing around a slot that has apparently burned you recently and I don't really town read it. Feels like a topic that is said just to have it out of your way and not have to read JJJ right now. The approach is almost correct. Let ol' Boq help you with that. The pro strat isnt that you make legit reads on JJJ. No, you don't solve him and if he is alive, regardless of yeet results, at D4 you yeet him into the sun no matter what fancy, funny and charming words he says. Thats how you do it tbh

You're welcome tbh

I don't necessarily agree here. I think there's ways to read JJJ and it's mostly trajectory based. JJJ is very good about presenting themselves as a 'correct most of the time' towny. Where in that presentation is JJJ setting up misyeets?

I do think people dancing around JJJ's alignment makes sense for whomever has played with them before. JJJ is VERY good at garnering tinfoil energy.

 

[DrWilgy]

err... That should've been 'W JJJ is very good about...'

 

[Boquise]

This seems like a leap when no one is voting there

tru but people could be fishing for one and be too scared to make the first vote tbh


btw guys, you have a really good and easy to use and understand multi-quote function. However, I have realised that I loathe multi-quoting because it makes it harder for me to read what others say and even understand myself, so i will be quoting one-liners and post cap myself thank you very much tbh

 

[samac]

I had no opinion to it one way or the other from an affiliation indicative standpoint. It was generally "engaged" in the content. Gun to my head I felt it was a little more village sided and making an effort to solve. However I'm not prepared to lean Mighty one way or the other for it.

How does mighty feel to you compared to last game

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@DrWilgy if you could take a quick look at moth and let me know your feelings, I would appreciate that. No huge rush though.

 

[Boquise]

I don't necessarily agree here. I think there's ways to read JJJ and it's mostly trajectory based. JJJ is very good about presenting themselves as a 'correct most of the time' towny. Where in that presentation is JJJ setting up misyeets?

I do think people dancing around JJJ's alignment makes sense for whomever has played with them before. JJJ is VERY good at garnering tinfoil energy.

I am mostly trying to be funny, even though I find it to have a merit and also eases my mind, instead of stressing about having a strong player around that COULD be a wolf. Where am I saying that JJJ is setting up misyeets?

 

[WildZoo]

I wanna be thread mommy but don’t have any good wolf reads 😢

samac pls, who am I supposed to vote for then?

 

[Boquise]

I’m not sure I like what I’m seeing from Pippy so far. It seems suspicious.

For now,

Yeet Pippy

Going to town read Zenge tbh

 

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy if you could take a quick look at moth and let me know your feelings, I would appreciate that. No huge rush though.

Aye, I'll review the ISO in a moment.

I did find that PSV potentially catching Moth backpedaling is vote worthy as it stands with that context.

I've honestly not seen anything from Moth that has made it into my notes so far either so...

I'll let you know when I skim them specifically.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Boq town reads my town reads. I can deal with that.

 

[WildZoo]

Not really. I don't think the tension is what was in question, but more so why did WildZoo pose the question on Pippy specifically.

It's worthy of note because Pippy has been in the light and has already drawn thread tension by the time the questions pop up. While I cannot draw alignment data in current from this exchange, I think I will be able to eventually.

I asked because Zenge doesn't usually vote that early so the fact that he did to my mind meant there must be something pretty significant pinging him. Included genny because she hadn't talked about pippy at that point.

 

[DrWilgy]

I asked because Zenge doesn't usually vote that early so the fact that he did to my mind meant there must be something pretty significant pinging him. Included genny because she hadn't talked about pippy at that point.

I'm pretty sure Genny was one of the players that suggested a potential perspective slip from Pippy prior to this.

See #163