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Which other school were you considering?
Liberty University (LUCOM) Discussion Thread 2014 - 2015
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Which other school were you considering?
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Ahh I have the the floor thank u you very much *tips cap*
Where to begin? I hate this part dang.
Anyway. Why not start about Christianity?
That's not a touchy subject or anything 😛
The qualities that you listed about Christianity are the qualities that I agree with. It is shared with osteopathy which is great. I want to be an osteopathic physician so those qualities are what I believe in also (humaninty/compasion etc)
You just can't ignore the bad of christain fundamentalists. Im sorry you can't. This includes in not beleiving evolution and beliving in creation. To be a physician and to not believe in science is a problem for me. Also you can't frame creationism vs evolution as equal theories. Evolution has science to support it. Creationism has a fictional book that isnt supported by science.
Also many (pretty much all) fundamentalists Christians are against homosexuality. I'm worried about gay patients being treated by lucom doctors. That's a serious concern of mine. So I understand your point about treating the same human body but what if you are treating a human body that is a "sinner." Kind of a problem? I think so.
To your point about MCAT and GPA not reflecting quality of a physician I'm on the fence. I believe you have to show some aptitude but after a certain point I believe it doesn't matter. I believe if someone has below a 3.0 and 24 I would have serious concerns about their ability to understand science and to become a competent physician. Half of lucom's class is below 24. That's a problem for me.
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I think regardless of what you believe or not, if you as a physician treat any patients groups differently than any other groups then why are you a doctor... You may be right that there are some doctors like that but that doesn't mean that LUCOM breeds them. I applied here and if accepted I would most certainly go here. At the same time I'm for gay rights does that mean I wouldn't fit in at LUCOM? No...The idea of a college/medical school is where different backgrounds come together with the common idea of making a learning environment that prospers. From what I can see LUCOM most certainly provides that.
I was just in the middle of posting a similar response when you submitted this. Everyone has their own opinions whether influenced by religion or others sources, but hopefully those going into medicine can look past those things they may not agree with and provide the best care possible.
Developing character during medical education (719.14)
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Character (qualities that determine one’s response to events regardless of circumstances) determines success and is important because of powerful influences physicians have on patients’ health and well-being. Medical education should endorse good character, e.g. compassion, empathy, discernment, generosity, honor, justice, self-control, truthfulness and virtue. Important for patient care, we designed a curriculum to promote character in future physicians. Curricular examples: Neurophysiology: Pornography addiction can destroy marriages, families and culture. Its addiction is taught to encourage a physician’s compassion and tofacilitate physician-patient education of self-control and virtue. Cardiovascular: Prolonged stress, unresolved anger and CRH release with cardiovascular sequelae, lead to major health problems. Attentiveness and sensitivity are taught to recognize and treat stress preventatively, not only in disease. GI/Nutrition: Responsibility and self-control in diet, fitness,andwellness are promoted in students, as good examples for future patients.Anatomical Sciences: Unselfishness and self-control are important in a patient for healthy sexual relationships. Female reproductive tracts allow for pathology (sperm proteins accessing the bloodstream can drag endometrial cells into the Pouch of Douglas) ifhonor doesn’t restrain intercourse during menstruation.
http://www.fasebj.org/content/28/1_Supplement/719.14
This. This is NOT objective. This is NOT free of religious/cultural bias. This is NOT purely science. If LUCOM has it's own values or whatever that's theirs to have - whatever they believe in, evolution or not. However, they should be unbiased in coursework and teach in the context of science. This just embarrassing to the DO profession and makes DO's look, quite frankly, as many ignorant people say "not really doctor's". If articles like this one reflect the kind of education one receives at LUCOM, it is VERY poor. Please by all means go to this school if you're not intelligent enough to pick up on all the warning signs already displayed and lowest of the low (worst than Caribbean) stats. Hopefully one of you gets into a better school but declines to attend liberty. That should open up space for other, reasonably intelligent people.
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- 1Anatomical Sciences Liberty University College of Osteopathic Medicine Lynchburg VA United States
- 2Integrative Physiology & Pharmacology Liberty University College of Osteopathic Medicine Lynchburg VA United States
- 3Molecular and Cellular Sciences Liberty University College of Osteopathic Medicine Lynchburg VA United States
Character (qualities that determine one’s response to events regardless of circumstances) determines success and is important because of powerful influences physicians have on patients’ health and well-being. Medical education should endorse good character, e.g. compassion, empathy, discernment, generosity, honor, justice, self-control, truthfulness and virtue. Important for patient care, we designed a curriculum to promote character in future physicians. Curricular examples: Neurophysiology: Pornography addiction can destroy marriages, families and culture. Its addiction is taught to encourage a physician’s compassion and tofacilitate physician-patient education of self-control and virtue. Cardiovascular: Prolonged stress, unresolved anger and CRH release with cardiovascular sequelae, lead to major health problems. Attentiveness and sensitivity are taught to recognize and treat stress preventatively, not only in disease. GI/Nutrition: Responsibility and self-control in diet, fitness,andwellness are promoted in students, as good examples for future patients.Anatomical Sciences: Unselfishness and self-control are important in a patient for healthy sexual relationships. Female reproductive tracts allow for pathology (sperm proteins accessing the bloodstream can drag endometrial cells into the Pouch of Douglas) ifhonor doesn’t restrain intercourse during menstruation.
http://www.fasebj.org/content/28/1_Supplement/719.14
This. This is NOT objective. This is NOT free of religious/cultural bias. This is NOT purely science. If LUCOM has it's own values or whatever that's theirs to have - whatever they believe in, evolution or not. However, they should be unbiased in coursework and teach in the context of science. This just embarrassing to the DO profession and makes DO's look, quite frankly, as many ignorant people say "not really doctor's". If articles like this one reflect the kind of education one receives at LUCOM, it is VERY poor. Please by all means go to this school if you're not intelligent enough to pick up on all the warning signs already displayed and lowest of the low (worst than Caribbean) stats. Hopefully one of you gets into a better school but declines to attend liberty. That should open up space for other, reasonably intelligent people.
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Dude(tte), c'mon. Seriously, stop this. You have so many other places to go post, why do you keep bothering here? This thread is for support and information that isn't repetitive. I'm gonna comment on a couple things you said so you can just see you're being redundant and rude.
"Where to begin? I hate this part dang."
Great! Don't do this part!
"You just can't ignore the bad of christain fundamentalists. Im sorry you can't. This includes in not beleiving evolution and beliving in creation."
There's a name for the belief that consists of BOTH Creationism and Evolution. I'm not gonna bother googling it because I'm sure you're very capable of doing it yourself. Maybe the process will do you some good.
"Creationism has a fictional book that isnt supported by science."
That's offensive and should be modded. Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean others don't. Try showing some respect when your posting in a thread about a Christian school.
"Also many (pretty much all) fundamentalists Christians are against homosexuality."
Wrong, again. There's a large portion of Christians that aren't against homosexuality. Once again, a quick google search can really educate you.
"I'm worried about gay patients being treated by lucom doctors."
I forgot that in LUCOM's curriculum, there's a weakly session for teaching students how to abuse of their patients and discriminate based on sexuality. Not only is it wrong, but I'm pretty sure students wouldn't consent to that. I'm also pretty certain the whole "love thy neighbor" part didn't follow with "unless they are gay. Then give them leprosy." The logic here is terrible flawed.
"So I understand your point about treating the same human body but what if you are treating a human body that is a "sinner.""
Because only gays are sinners, right. I keep forgetting these things.
"I believe if someone has below a 3.0 and 24 I would have serious concerns about their ability to understand science and to become a competent physician. "
Which is why you're going to the Caribbean threads and bashing on them, too. And you also fail to measure a physician by anything more than his gpa and MCAT. Those are indicators of whether or not they will be successful in medical school. If they are not, then worry no more! They won't become doctors. Which is why, for the third time, LUCOM understands this and knows that a physician is more than just a couple numbers. Which leads me to the next part: you. How are you going to be a good doctor? Yeah, you could have the good numbers, but you're not that great of a person from what I've been reading. You generalize, mock, insult, and assume when you haven't done any research, and when in reality, you know nothing about the topic.
Why haven't you been reported for being a troll yet? People are clearly telling you they want nothing that you're selling, but you're still posting on here in an unproductive way.
I'm asking you as a favor, please, just stop already.
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So you're saying pornographic addictions promote success in marriage, families, and culture? And being selfish and out of control are important for healthy sexual relationships? Cool. It makes sense.
"Scholarship, teamwork, leadership, service, professionalism, integrity, commitment to incarnational Christianity, diversity, and the ethical treatment of peoples."
Who is saying they are free of religion? It's literally all over their website. They are telling you themselves! What's makes DO's look like doctors? Is it when they treats patients? Is it when they work together for the better of a society? I forgot how the Earth was created interferes with that.
For people that don't like how Christians "push" their beliefs on others, you guys are something else.
I'm seriously done arguing on here because it's useless.
You guys can keep posting all the trash you want. I'm not gonna get upset over this and anyone who deters from poorly based opinions doesn't deserve a school like LUCOM.
Have a good night guys, hopefully we can all work together one day as mature physicians.
Wow, you certainly misconstrued my post and did that purposefully. Stating the opposite in a rhetorical way doesn't invalidate my initial points. It just makes you out to be immature, and unable to defend yourself. What I am saying is that if this is truly a school of science, above one of Christianity, it would not allow those things to be stated. Look at any other schools research, from DO schools to MD, from Creighton to Loma Linda, please show me one that goes to the extreme of diluting science like Liberty does. Once again, this school is just embarrassing. COCA made a huge mistake (though, they just want money so they probably knew this was coming..)
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Regardless of our differences in perspective, I'm glad to see you recognize those qualities as an important part of Osteopathy.
That said, I think you have a very misconstrued viewpoint of Christianity. Note that I have not even stated where I stand in terms of religion and in the creation/evolution debate, but I think I have a much more openminded view on these issues than you. You mention Christian Fundamentalists as being the problem. I agree with you that some of the things they do is bad, but that in no way encompasses all of Christianity as a whole. Sure they get the most attention for their controversial behavior, but just because they get the most attention does not mean they represent the majority. That argument is redundant. It is like saying Italians are horrible people because they are in the Mafia. I am Italian and I am not in the Mafia, just like the majority of Italians aren't.
You can believe in science and still not believe in evolution. I would say they are equal theories ,as they are the only two that exist and neither one can be definitively proved. You are right, evolution does have science to support it. Yet at the same time it also has science to disprove it. Likewise with creation.
Back to the MCAT/GPA. I completely agree you have to show aptitude. But the question becomes how that aptitude is assessed. For example, you may show great aptitude on paper in terms of test taking . I may struggle with performing well on paper and regurgitating facts, but demonstrate great aptitude with hands on learning and applying the material I am being taught. Just because I learn differently than you, does not mean I can't become just as successful of a doctor. That's why I am not about the numbers game. Sure, there are some exceptions like if you are getting a 10 on the MCAT after taking it 5 times and have 2.0 GPA. That is a different story, but I have no reason to judge or be concerned with someone's abilities if they have a around a 24 and 3.0. And also, just because the median is a 24 does not necessarily mean that half of the class has below that. For all you know, almost half of the class could have all gotten 24s and it would still be median.
Now to your comment about Homosexuality. I almost did not even comment on this because of how ignorant you sound. I am not even going to get into a long thing about this, but once again you are stereotyping thinking all Christians hate gays. Even Jesus associated with "SINNERS!"
How many times are people going to keep posting this as their main argument against LUCOM. There is NOTHING religious in the abstract at all. It is all about character. I dont know why everyone gets so outraged by this. They say pornography ADDICTION is a problem--- Just like alcohol addiction. Drug addiction. Gambling addiction. ANY ADDICTION is a problem and has the potential to ruin people's life. That statement made by no means implies they are telling you that pornography is wrong, (or alcohol, or drugs, or gambling.) The statement is specifically in regard to the neurological components behind addiction and the power it has on peoples lives. You can assume all you want that they are telling you pornography is bad, but that is clearly not the focus or even implied. I am sure had they used another example, like alcohol addiction or drug addiction, you would not be nearly as outraged by it. They also talk about the character aspects of unselfishness and self control. It is the same type of argument. Obviously because they used sex as the example everyone is freaking out saying it is religiously tainted. But are not those qualities important for any type of relationship with others, sexual or not. They obviously find these attributes to be important and as a result try and find ways to incorporate them into medicine. There are not many other ways to incorporate self control in anatomy without using sex as an example. That does not mean that there is religious ulterior motive behind it.
This is the point though. Out of ALL the addictions they could have referred to, why the he** did they choose pornography?
Edit: And words like "honor" should never appear in a scientific abstract. It really is embarrassing, and DO's have a right to be a little pissed about the whole thing.
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I'm not gonna argue with you there is no point. However just as a FYI I bash carribean schools all the time and I was talking about christain fundamentalists (like lucom). Key word fundamentalist.
Its not like anyone doesn't know this school is sub par. No need to beat that dead horse.
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Again I'm not having this waste of time argument. However, some things here make me laugh. So since there are two major theories they must be equal? Ha. Two theories the earth is round and the earth is flat. These theories must be equal right? Rubbish.
Also to be clear I'm not talking about all Christians. I'm talking about fundamentalists like lucom. I have very legitimate concerns.
I could go on (I won't) because this is pointless. This jury is already out on this school.
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Well, I don't think LUCOM is going to hurt at all by your remarks , they had 3k+ applications for 162 spots.
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Not to derail this application thread too much further (is that possible?) I'm just honestly curious what sexual intercourse during menstruation has to do with "honor" (studies show no correlation btw endometriosis and intercourse during menstruation[1]) and what the authors define as a pornography "addiction". It looks like the abstract is not a part of a larger article, so that left me wondering. AFAIK, pornography can be a normal and healthy part of many relationships -- again, "virtue" being conflated with sexuality is a bit odd in a medical context.
I would only be concerned that authors/faculty like this would color a physician to have biases against people who are not "honorable" or "virtuous" in their mind.
[1] http://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(09)01980-2/abstract
I would only be concerned that authors/faculty like this would color a physician to have biases against people who are not "honorable" or "virtuous" in their mind.
[1] http://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(09)01980-2/abstract
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Half are trash though according to goro.
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Ok, so 1.5 k applicants for 162 spots. Odds are a person won't get accepted, statistically speaking.
This stat is meaningless if these are the 3000 applicants with <3.0s and 20 MCATs.
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These numbers aren't outrageous for a medical school actually.
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Okay, we get it. We are going to a school that is filled with "bigots" and a shame to DOs. For the sake of whoever still wants to apply- at their discretion - can we stop the bickering.
We get it. This school is teaching bad ideologies. LUCOM is filled with fanatics. The school isn't basing its curriculum in proper science. We are bottom of the barrel applicants. We won't get far with this med school, and only got in cause of their sub-par standards.
We get it. This school is teaching bad ideologies. LUCOM is filled with fanatics. The school isn't basing its curriculum in proper science. We are bottom of the barrel applicants. We won't get far with this med school, and only got in cause of their sub-par standards.
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Hahaha....I remember getting so mad at the trolls on the LUCOM page last year. They were only there to upset the people that wanted to go there. Same old comments, same remarks, same everything. It's just funny to see the same stuff come up again even though those "arguments" have already been addressed in another post. New school hazing? Check out the other new school threads. They are the same.
This post is likely to get buried...but try to make this ONE observation. LUCOM students are HAPPY. They are proud to be there. They rejected other offers to go there, Christian and non Christian. People that interview are blown away. So students considering LUCOM, don't feed the trolls. They will just keep coming back because they really DONT have anything better to do. Ever wonder why they're always on here? I rest my case. If they want answers they should troll the old pages and do some research.
That's all 🙂 now off to become a doctor one day at a time, all with a killer view 😉
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This post is likely to get buried...but try to make this ONE observation. LUCOM students are HAPPY. They are proud to be there. They rejected other offers to go there, Christian and non Christian. People that interview are blown away. So students considering LUCOM, don't feed the trolls. They will just keep coming back because they really DONT have anything better to do. Ever wonder why they're always on here? I rest my case. If they want answers they should troll the old pages and do some research.
That's all 🙂 now off to become a doctor one day at a time, all with a killer view 😉
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I'm just worried that if I go to LUCOM, I might accidentally become a minister instead of a physician. 
I crack myself up.
OK seriously, I just interviewed at LUCOM on Monday and I was beyond impressed. The facility is top notch, the technology is phenomenal, the faculty have well established reputations, the curriculum is integrated(the professors work together to make sure all the info comes together), they use a trimester system, exams are COMLEX style questions, they put a huge emphasis on serving those around you, and the students are pumped to be there. In fact, I met EH123 and she is a walking advertisement for the school in real life also.😉 I believe that the faculty and staff are genuine and I would very much like to attend LUCOM if given the chance.
LUCOM does NOT require you to be a Christian. It is a Christian school. They are NOT ashamed of that fact and will tell you from the start. IF you have a major problem with that, you shouldn't apply to LUCOM.
IF you want to be a physician and have the heart of a servant, you SHOULD apply to this school. You owe it to yourself to ignore the naysayers and find out what the schools is really about. If you have any questions, let me know.
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I crack myself up.OK seriously, I just interviewed at LUCOM on Monday and I was beyond impressed. The facility is top notch, the technology is phenomenal, the faculty have well established reputations, the curriculum is integrated(the professors work together to make sure all the info comes together), they use a trimester system, exams are COMLEX style questions, they put a huge emphasis on serving those around you, and the students are pumped to be there. In fact, I met EH123 and she is a walking advertisement for the school in real life also.😉 I believe that the faculty and staff are genuine and I would very much like to attend LUCOM if given the chance.
LUCOM does NOT require you to be a Christian. It is a Christian school. They are NOT ashamed of that fact and will tell you from the start. IF you have a major problem with that, you shouldn't apply to LUCOM.
IF you want to be a physician and have the heart of a servant, you SHOULD apply to this school. You owe it to yourself to ignore the naysayers and find out what the schools is really about. If you have any questions, let me know.
Dear Trolls
Ok, I really do understand everything you are saying. But, you are simply giving anedocte's and personal views to back up your arguments. I provided evidence - an article written by LUCOM that raises some really serious questions. @TurkTurkleton92 Did a terrible job at defending that. If you can show me why the non-scientific and biased points in that article are valid OR simply show me how the article isn't reflective of the cirriculum/teaching at Liberty, I'll stop right there.
This is the problem with you religious extremists, you don't provide evidence or answer the question being asked. You just divert it and say the same thing over and over again. I have no problem with Liberty's views, other than that it embarrasses DO's. If they did not grant a DO degree, I wouldn't care at all.
This is the problem with you religious extremists, you don't provide evidence or answer the question being asked. You just divert it and say the same thing over and over again. I have no problem with Liberty's views, other than that it embarrasses DO's. If they did not grant a DO degree, I wouldn't care at all.
I'm just worried that if I go to LUCOM, I might accidentally become a minister instead of a physician.
OK seriously, I just interviewed at LUCOM on Monday and I was beyond impressed. The facility is top notch, the technology is phenomenal, the faculty have well established reputations, the curriculum is integrated(the professors work together to make sure all the info comes together), they use a trimester system, exams are COMLEX style questions, they put a huge emphasis on serving those around you, and the students are pumped to be there. In fact, I met EH123 and she is a walking advertisement for the school in real life also.😉 I believe that the faculty and staff are genuine and I would very much like to attend LUCOM if given the chance.
LUCOM does NOT require you to be a Christian. It is a Christian school. They are NOT ashamed of that fact and will tell you from the start. IF you have a major problem with that, you shouldn't apply to LUCOM.
IF you want to be a physician and have the heart of a servant, you SHOULD apply to this school. You owe it to yourself to ignore the naysayers and find out what the schools is really about. If you have any questions, let me know.
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Just for clarification, someone on the forums mentioned last year that LUCOM doesn't allow people to watch R rated movies. Is this true?
I need Game of Thrones in my life lol
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You think it possible for this to happen?
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Not true. They don't dig into your personal life. If you run around drunk wearing your LUCOM polo that's a different story
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We shouldn't bother anymore. Half of the posts are clearly projections of either themselves or their insecurity. If we don't feed the trolls they will go away.
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Posting on this forum won't answer your questions. Most everyone here is premed asking others how they like the school. Want answers? Don't go to the wrong place. Email [email protected]. Ask for James Cook. Quit dancing around these subjects and get some answers for yourself.
But see you don't want answers or else you would've done this. You just like stirring the pot because you have a problem with LUCOM's Christian foundation. Ok....so don't apply here. You aren't even interested in the school. You aren't really concerned that everyone knows your concerns before applying here even though you pretend that is your reason. Everyone has already done their own research and they still apply. I'm thinking your arguments aren't valid/you're overreacting or taking things out of context/not even relevant. Perhaps that's why people are ignoring them?
But see you don't want answers or else you would've done this. You just like stirring the pot because you have a problem with LUCOM's Christian foundation. Ok....so don't apply here. You aren't even interested in the school. You aren't really concerned that everyone knows your concerns before applying here even though you pretend that is your reason. Everyone has already done their own research and they still apply. I'm thinking your arguments aren't valid/you're overreacting or taking things out of context/not even relevant. Perhaps that's why people are ignoring them?
Actually, people are starting to question as well, as they should.
OK, im done. I will not post here anymore. The fact that you couldn't respond to my concerns about that article, and repeat, that article, just strengthens my point.
EDIT: hahahha, you really think someone from the liberty administration will not give you a skewed picture and biased information. HA
OK, im done. I will not post here anymore. The fact that you couldn't respond to my concerns about that article, and repeat, that article, just strengthens my point.
EDIT: hahahha, you really think someone from the liberty administration will not give you a skewed picture and biased information. HA
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OK, im done. I will not post here anymore. The fact that you couldn't respond to my concerns about that article, and repeat, that article, just strengthens my point.
EDIT: hahahha, you really think someone from the liberty administration will not give you a skewed picture and biased information. HA[/QUOTE]
Holding you to that. And no matter who you ask, their response is biased in some way. Go find a DO. Ask them if they are ashamed of the article. Problem=solved.
OK, im done. I will not post here anymore. The fact that you couldn't respond to my concerns about that article, and repeat, that article, just strengthens my point.
EDIT: hahahha, you really think someone from the liberty administration will not give you a skewed picture and biased information. HA[/QUOTE]
Holding you to that. And no matter who you ask, their response is biased in some way. Go find a DO. Ask them if they are ashamed of the article. Problem=solved.
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Last I checked boards determined competency not mcat. Oh wait you're a premed. Do us a favor and take at stills picture off you're avatar. You're the real embarrassment to this profession.
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If you can't crack a 24 on the MCAT I would be worried about board scores being low as well. You haven't showed you can handle medical school or becoming a physician.
At still stays.
My DO letter is being sent this week, then my application will be completed. I was wondering though if they will extend ii even if you have 1 or 2 pre-req courses remaining? If they do, will they not accept you until they are completed or will it just be a contingency for matriculation?
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And we are all so truly flattered by your altruistic concern for osteopathy /sarcasm. Schools have been collecting data on this for years and guess what? Many found (even goros schools) that Mcat scores don't correlate greatly with boards scores. Try again troll.
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That's actually not true but w/e.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16186610/
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MCAT scores were strong predictors of scores for all three Step examinations, particularly Step 1."
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Eh, just saying that there probably is a moderate correlation. This meta-analysis found the biological sciences subtest is the best predictor of medical school performance in the preclinical years (r = 0.32 95% CI, 0.21-0.42) and on the USMLE Step 1 (r = 0.48 95% CI, 0.41-0.54).
http://internationalgme.org/Resources/Pubs/Donnon et al (2007) Acad Med.pdf
That's not to say that someone can't have had a bad day on the MCAT and still be capable of rocking the boards. The MCAT is one exam that some people are well prepared for and others aren't.
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did you even read that article? Data from 1992 and 1993? More than 20 years old? Do you even science bro? That's more laughable than LUCOM's wacky abstract.
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You really think the current MCAT and med school are that different? Data from 91 is fine for this study
No. It was an exaggeration, but students are going to self select for schools they think they have the best chances. They aren't going to apply to places they don't want to go when they know they have the stats to go somewhere better.
If there was a correlation 20 years ago, there is probably an even greater correlation now, since they are always trying to improve the test.
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That last sentence in the abstract is bad. Really bad.
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Congratulations on your acceptance!
I am sure I will have plenty of questions over the next few months.
What is the interview format at LUCOM? What is your impression of the quality of the faculty? Do you think that residency placement will be more difficult since LUCOM is a new school?
Thanks!
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The interview format is pretty standard. You interview with 2-3 faculty, have lunch with them and take a tour of the COM. Everyone there is top notch. As I've said before, many of the profs left tenured positions to come here. As far as residency goes, no I don't think it will be harder being a new school. LU will be funding some residency positions last I heard, which is nice since the govt still has that cap. Also I don't think residency positions care too much about the school you attend as long as you do well on the comlex. Since all of our exams are modeled after the comlex, I'm hoping we will be well prepared.
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Well, being a VA resident, and after reading all your guys' positive input, I added LUCOM to my application. Bam.
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Anyone who has interviewed here have any advice on how to be best prepared?
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Know the people you're interviewing with. Just read their bio so you can have something to talk about at lunch. And relax 🙂 they just want to get to know you.
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I am actually scared after seeing all these posts about religious bias, MCAT scores, medical school performance, etc... 🙁
this new school needs more support 🤔
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