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[Lawpy]

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also random follow-up question, what are your thoughts on Vissy now voting with you on vmh?

Thinking

 

[Lawpy]

It feels weird but i'm thinking

 

[Animal Midwife]

Do you have any thoughts about what he's posted today?

Nope, given it's all been fluff + one "why?" with no further followup.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I’m very interested in you, Bob, genny, and mayo as the people who avoided wagons completely. That was my favorite move as a wolf and I’m wondering if one of you is doing the same.
mayo hasn’t hit me as wolfy.
I like bob’s effort but he seems pretty serious this game. This seems like a change in play style from his previous games.
Genny is gonna tunnel me, and quite frankly she hasn’t done anything overtly wolfy or village yet IMO.
Your analysis feels village but at the same time welcome to the successful wolf club, I didn’t watch the last game closely so I don’t know all the deets on how you acted as a wolf.

that being said I know all 3-4 wolves wouldn’t avoid the wagons. A strog flip would tell me a lot about the people on that vote, but he hasn’t done anything inherently wolfy or helpful. Just seems overall inactive.

I get your points on pippy, and I would be interested in that flip for more info on you. I know you’ve been pretty great at reading people previously, and you’re wrong about me. If you’re wrong about pippy too maybe you are actually wolfing.
Yeet pippy

It was a reaction test. I wanted to see if you missed me. You passed!!

I’ve never been big on following other wagons. Or being pocketed/manipulated into votes. I like to make a vote and stick to it. To the point I have avoided moving vote to self prez.

And I like to develop strategies or else I’m not going to get better.

It has been busy weekend but I’ve been really active for the limited time I have had. I will try to up my game! Lol. I have been surprised that it seems like a ghost town the times I have been on. I will be tied up for an hour. And will try to give reason later.

Vote Lawpy

 

[supershorty]

Andao Hianika Tendrombohitra Day 2 Tally

Vissy (1) - diff
Stroganoff (2) - Pippy, AM
samac (2) - Dubz, genny
Pippy (3) - Zenge, samac, mkg
vmh (2) - Lawpy, Vissy
Lawpy (1) - Bob

11/14 voting
Missing: @Stroganoff, @vetmedhead, @holdthemayo

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~1.5 hours)

 

[Animal Midwife]

It was a reaction test. I wanted to see if you missed me. You passed!!

I’ve never been big on following other wagons. Or being pocketed/manipulated into votes. I like to make a vote and stick to it. To the point I have avoided moving vote to self prez.

And I like to develop strategies or else I’m not going to get better.

It has been busy weekend but I’ve been really active for the limited time I have had. I will try to up my game! Lol. I have been surprised that it seems like a ghost town the times I have been on. I will be tied up for an hour. And will try to give reason later.

Vote Lawpy

Why not give reasoning in this post instead of typing that other stuff up given we have <90 minutes left?

 

[Lawpy]

It was a reaction test. I wanted to see if you missed me. You passed!!

I’ve never been big on following other wagons. Or being pocketed/manipulated into votes. I like to make a vote and stick to it. To the point I have avoided moving vote to self prez.

And I like to develop strategies or else I’m not going to get better.

It has been busy weekend but I’ve been really active for the limited time I have had. I will try to up my game! Lol. I have been surprised that it seems like a ghost town the times I have been on. I will be tied up for an hour. And will try to give reason later.

Vote Lawpy

Why bobs why

 

[WildZoo]

@Animal Midwife how are you feeling about diff and genny?

 

[Viscernable]

Vis does April's flip change any of your thoughts on Pippy? or Strog (I think you were also saying at some point they could be w/v?)

It didn’t since my interest in pippy and april’s conversation was just on the april side at the time; I wasn’t looking at pippy. Don’t remember any interaction between strog and april or anything else that would make april’s flip informative about him.

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Animal Midwife how are you feeling about diff and genny?

Diff is slight village because her thought processes seem to look like their coming from a solving mindset.

genny is neutral to slight wolfy because she just doesn't feel right to me.

 

[Lawpy]

Diff is slight village because her thought processes seem to look like their coming from a solving mindset.

genny is neutral to slight wolfy because she just doesn't feel right to me.

AM why

 

[holdthemayo]

@holdthemayo are you still wolfreading AM?

Yes.

I'll let you know if that changes

 

[Animal Midwife]

AM why

Because I can do whatever I want when I'm third-highest poster.

 

[Lawpy]

Because I can do whatever I want when I'm third-highest poster.

Oof

 

[holdthemayo]

Hmm

Ok i'm confused. I was thinking mayos didn't like the Strogs vote and while he said he was reading him absent, his opposition to the Strogs vote and repeated "why Strogs?" questions suggested he was village reading him. Which looked like his basis for his wolfread of you.

But maybe he changed his mind, but i'm now confused what's going on.

@holdthemayo pls clarify and share thoughrs

Was absent reading him and wanted reasoning for voting someone based on 3 fluff posts. It was not forthcoming.

 

[Lawpy]

Was absent reading him and wanted reasoning for voting someone based on 3 fluff posts. It was not forthcoming.

How are you reading Strogs now?

 

[holdthemayo]

How are you reading Strogs now?

Same, I haven't caught up on today yet.

There aren't too many pages so I should be able to catch up and let you know

 

[WildZoo]

unyeet samac

I think on reread the posts that feel like village samac outnumber the ones that feel off. Not that i actually counted.

 

[differentiating]

Ugh, okay, up now after collapsing post-work. Let me drink some water/take some ibuprofen to deal with the massive migraine I'm having and then read through the thread.

 

[WildZoo]

@Zenge142 how are you feeling about mkg?

 

[Lawpy]

Same, I haven't caught up on today yet.

There aren't too many pages so I should be able to catch up and let you know

Ok, i asked because you liked that pippy vote for strogs and i was confused since you were against the strogs vote

 

[supershorty]

Andao Hianika Tendrombohitra Day 2 Tally

Vissy (1) - diff
Stroganoff (2) - Pippy, AM
samac (1) - genny
Pippy (3) - Zenge, samac, mkg
vmh (2) - Lawpy, Vissy
Lawpy (1) - Bob

10/14 voting
Missing: @Stroganoff, @vetmedhead, @holdthemayo, @WildZoo

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~1 hour 10 minutes)

 

[holdthemayo]

Ok, i asked because you liked that pippy vote for strogs and i was confused since you were against the strogs vote

I didn't like her vote yesterday.

This morning she called out Strog for not posting the long update post that he promised. I liked the call out.

 

[Lawpy]

I didn't like her vote yesterday.

This morning she called out Strog for not posting the long update post that he promised. I liked the call out.

Ah, makes sense, thanks

 

[Viscernable]

genny is neutral to slight wolfy because she just doesn't feel right to me.

Is this feeling one you can explain? I reread all her posts and I see her joking in a way that doesn’t feel forced, sticking to a read although not really giving much reasoning, and giving a response to being asked about pippy that feels like it shows genuine thought on her. To me it sounds like village genny based on descriptions of the Genny Way TM being a combo of insightful/helpful posts and easy joking tone, but I know she’s a good enough wolf to imitate her village tone well and I generally have not had success reading her.

 

[Viscernable]

Yes.

I'll let you know if that changes

Do you have any thoughts on the z/pippy/samac conversation?

 

[holdthemayo]

Three people that I like their (input usually) was off. Samac was one of them. I would have to review her posts, but iirc, her posts seemed more reactions and vague. I like that she is usually hunting and brainstorming--gives me something to upvote/downvote but gets the process started. I don't see much of that this time- more magically calling people (funny stuff), reactions and emotional woe over alley (seemed too much). I wouldn't put stock in stupid wolf comment but just one more ping. Then I like the theory of manufactured issues btwn her and pippy feeling unauthentic so pulling one string can lead to another flip. (which is similar to a theory of my own, but I will hold onto it for now since many of mine need help, lol- remind in a day or two and I will share)

Addendum: I usually would vote to keep productive people around for content but feel like there has been less- disregard if things have changed as I am currently catching up

Who are the other two?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Is this feeling one you can explain? I reread all her posts and I see her joking in a way that doesn’t feel forced, sticking to a read although not really giving much reasoning, and giving a response to being asked about pippy that feels like it shows genuine thought on her. To me it sounds like village genny based on descriptions of the Genny Way TM being a combo of insightful/helpful posts and easy joking tone, but I know she’s a good enough wolf to imitate her village tone well and I generally have not had success reading her.

Not really, unfortunately. I can't compare pure activity level because a lot of people are performing similar to her in that retrospect. I just don't feel the usual presence she typically gives when obviously village.

 

[WildZoo]

yeet genny

As of page 9. Losing steam on the reread. A lot of these are just feels, sorry.

Leaning woof
genny
mk
Leaning idk
Strog
bob
Meats
Vis
mayo
samac
Leaning village
...zenge
AM
diff
pippy??
Lawpy

 

[supershorty]

Andao Hianika Tendrombohitra Day 2 Tally

Vissy (1) - diff
Stroganoff (2) - Pippy, AM
samac (1) - genny
Pippy (3) - Zenge, samac, mkg
vmh (2) - Lawpy, Vissy
Lawpy (1) - Bob
genny (1) - Dubz

11/14 voting
Missing: @Stroganoff, @vetmedhead, @holdthemayo

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~1 hour)

 

[mkg323]

It feels weird but i'm thinking

have you finished thinking or has lawpy.exe crashed?

 

[mkg323]

yeet genny

As of page 9. Losing steam on the reread. A lot of these are just feels, sorry.

Leaning woof
genny
mk
Leaning idk
Strog
bob
Meats
Vis
mayo
samac
Leaning village
...zenge
AM
diff
pippy??
Lawpy

any reason for the ??? by pippy?

 

[WildZoo]

any reason for the ??? by pippy?

I'm unsure about it

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142 how are you feeling about mkg?

I had MK closes to a wolf read. Mayo vote felt off. I didn’t like the vote on Alley.

However her Pippy vote surprised me. I feel good about my Pippy read and if I’m right, I don’t see this as a bussing situation on Mk’s part. So I’m feeling better about MK with the Pippy vote and if Pippy does flip wolf, that’ll resolve my previous concerns about MK.

 

[Lawpy]

have you finished thinking or has lawpy.exe crashed?

404 Error

Please try again later

 

[PippyPony]

I had MK closes to a wolf read. Mayo vote felt off. I didn’t like the vote on Alley.

However her Pippy vote surprised me. I feel good about my Pippy read and if I’m right, I don’t see this as a bussing situation on Mk’s part. So I’m feeling better about MK with the Pippy vote and if Pippy does flip wolf, that’ll resolve my previous concerns about MK.

Ok so what happens when I flip village?

 

[Lawpy]

have you finished thinking or has lawpy.exe crashed?

No but i'm thinking about the V/W possibility between VMH and vissy

 

[samac]

It was a reaction test. I wanted to see if you missed me. You passed!!

I’ve never been big on following other wagons. Or being pocketed/manipulated into votes. I like to make a vote and stick to it. To the point I have avoided moving vote to self prez.

And I like to develop strategies or else I’m not going to get better.

It has been busy weekend but I’ve been really active for the limited time I have had. I will try to up my game! Lol. I have been surprised that it seems like a ghost town the times I have been on. I will be tied up for an hour. And will try to give reason later.

Vote Lawpy

..... what reaction test? To see if I’d call you out on voting alone? But then you say you stick to your guns so that wouldn’t be a reaction test.
Bob, you’re an enigma.

 

[WildZoo]

I had MK closes to a wolf read. Mayo vote felt off. I didn’t like the vote on Alley.

However her Pippy vote surprised me. I feel good about my Pippy read and if I’m right, I don’t see this as a bussing situation on Mk’s part. So I’m feeling better about MK with the Pippy vote and if Pippy does flip wolf, that’ll resolve my previous concerns about MK.

Hmmm

Well this still works out in my read universe where your pipy read is wrong, so I'm ok with it.

 

[holdthemayo]

Caught up.

I Zenge/Pippy reads v/w to me. Of the two, I'd rather flip Zenge. Pippy seems more on her meta to me.

I still have no read on Strog, but the weirdness with his wagon last night did ping me. Lawpy seems village, and I'm not sure why Vissy would try to create a counter wagon on him so late. If Strog flips wolf then so will Vissy and vice versa.

AM still feels more like the last time I saw her wolf than her usual village. If Strog or Vissy flip wolf then I'll back off of that.

I'd rather vote AM, but I doubt I'll get the traction.

I'm happy flipping Zenge or Vissy. We learn a lot about several other players with either flip.

Yeet Vissy

 

[differentiating]

Okay, my thoughts thus far...

Agreed that it's weird Strog's long post never manifested... then again, I get being busy. It doesn't help that strog was in the lead for a good while yesterday before the vote petered out. It seems a little strange, but then again, the flip happening the way it did means that we'd be looking at some combination of mkg, vis, and/or lawpy as co-wolves going for the last-minute defense, and I'm not sure if I buy that yet either. I feel like mkg would be most suspicious of the three since she created the possibility for a change in leader by creating a tie and strog could switch it over with a self-prez vote.

that being said I know all 3-4 wolves wouldn’t avoid the wagons. A strog flip would tell me a lot about the people on that vote, but he hasn’t done anything inherently wolfy or helpful. Just seems overall inactive.

I get your points on pippy, and I would be interested in that flip for more info on you. I know you’ve been pretty great at reading people previously, and you’re wrong about me. If you’re wrong about pippy too maybe you are actually wolfing.
Yeet pippy

I'm a little curious about samac's fixation on determining others' reliability on flips of who they voted for. It makes sense if the person flips wolf, but it also seems like flipping village wouldn't give much in the way of additional info... I don't think it's a wolfy thing to say necessarily, just a little strange to yeet someone due to suspicion of someone else imo.

Kinda crummy move to push a vote on two absentee villagers in a row, though. Please look at Strog and Zenge when I flip village, because this is the second day in a row they've moved the vote away from Strog and onto me.

This (and the whole post) feels like a bit of an overreaction given when it happened, especially considering that Pippy wasn't really ever on the chopping block yesterday. I'm honestly not opposed to a Pippy yeet since there've been a few things pinging me there, even if they're not highest on my suspicions currently.

I’m looking into bob, mayo, genny since they voted off-wagon and i want to look at their reasons. Z’s made his reasons for voting pippy pretty clear and rereading all his posts is too much for me right now. Also looking at mkg because the alley vote after strog came into the lead was interesting.

I hate to say it since it’s his first game in a while and apparently has been too busy the first couple days to really get to play, but I wouldn’t hate a strog flip. I’m starting to worry that part of the reason there’s so little content to read him on is because he doesn’t want to be read, and it would be very informative. I kinda want to give him another day to give him a chance to demonstrate he’s village in case he really is a villager who’s been too busy for ww the first two days of his first game after a long hiatus - it would suck to be yeeted in that scenario.

For the moment meats is worrying me the most with her reaction to me voting the same place she did.

vote vmh

Again, this makes a lot of sense to me, which makes me tempted to take my vote off of vis. Not sure where I'd place it, though - I'm also suspicious of vmh and a few others (mkg, bob), but I'm wary of tying things up close to deadline or causing some last-minute chaos like yesterday.

It was a reaction test. I wanted to see if you missed me. You passed!!

I’ve never been big on following other wagons. Or being pocketed/manipulated into votes. I like to make a vote and stick to it. To the point I have avoided moving vote to self prez.

And I like to develop strategies or else I’m not going to get better.

It has been busy weekend but I’ve been really active for the limited time I have had. I will try to up my game! Lol. I have been surprised that it seems like a ghost town the times I have been on. I will be tied up for an hour. And will try to give reason later.

Vote Lawpy

This is definitely weird. Why write so much/probe others while skipping out on your own reasoning? I honestly don't care about who the vote is for as much as that aspect of things.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Caught up.

I Zenge/Pippy reads v/w to me. Of the two, I'd rather flip Zenge. Pippy seems more on her meta to me.

I still have no read on Strog, but the weirdness with his wagon last night did ping me. Lawpy seems village, and I'm not sure why Vissy would try to create a counter wagon on him so late. If Strog flips wolf then so will Vissy and vice versa.

AM still feels more like the last time I saw her wolf than her usual village. If Strog or Vissy flip wolf then I'll back off of that.

I'd rather vote AM, but I doubt I'll get the traction.

I'm happy flipping Zenge or Vissy. We learn a lot about several other players with either flip.

Yeet Vissy

Why not flip meats?

 

[supershorty]

Andao Hianika Tendrombohitra Day 2 Tally

Vissy (2) - diff, mayo
Stroganoff (2) - Pippy, AM
samac (1) - genny
Pippy (3) - Zenge, samac, mkg
vmh (2) - Lawpy, Vissy
Lawpy (1) - Bob
genny (1) - Dubz

12/14 voting
Missing: @Stroganoff, @vetmedhead

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~40 minutes)

 

[Lawpy]

Caught up.

I Zenge/Pippy reads v/w to me. Of the two, I'd rather flip Zenge. Pippy seems more on her meta to me.

I still have no read on Strog, but the weirdness with his wagon last night did ping me. Lawpy seems village, and I'm not sure why Vissy would try to create a counter wagon on him so late. If Strog flips wolf then so will Vissy and vice versa.

AM still feels more like the last time I saw her wolf than her usual village. If Strog or Vissy flip wolf then I'll back off of that.

I'd rather vote AM, but I doubt I'll get the traction.

I'm happy flipping Zenge or Vissy. We learn a lot about several other players with either flip.

Yeet Vissy

Why does vissy flipping wolf rule out AM being wolf?

 

[differentiating]

Okay, my thoughts thus far...

Agreed that it's weird Strog's long post never manifested... then again, I get being busy. It doesn't help that strog was in the lead for a good while yesterday before the vote petered out. It seems a little strange, but then again, the flip happening the way it did means that we'd be looking at some combination of mkg, vis, and/or lawpy as co-wolves going for the last-minute defense, and I'm not sure if I buy that yet either. I feel like mkg would be most suspicious of the three since she created the possibility for a change in leader by creating a tie and strog could switch it over with a self-prez vote.


I'm a little curious about samac's fixation on determining others' reliability on flips of who they voted for. It makes sense if the person flips wolf, but it also seems like flipping village wouldn't give much in the way of additional info... I don't think it's a wolfy thing to say necessarily, just a little strange to yeet someone due to suspicion of someone else imo.


This (and the whole post) feels like a bit of an overreaction given when it happened, especially considering that Pippy wasn't really ever on the chopping block yesterday. I'm honestly not opposed to a Pippy yeet since there've been a few things pinging me there, even if they're not highest on my suspicions currently.


Again, this makes a lot of sense to me, which makes me tempted to take my vote off of vis. Not sure where I'd place it, though - I'm also suspicious of vmh and a few others (mkg, bob), but I'm wary of tying things up close to deadline or causing some last-minute chaos like yesterday.


This is definitely weird. Why write so much/probe others while skipping out on your own reasoning? I honestly don't care about who the vote is for as much as that aspect of things.

for now, based on all this babble,
unyeet vis
yeet mkg

 

[vetmedhead]

Unfortunately not surprised by that flip. Definitely going to take a close look at those on the alley lynch + the waffles towards the end, since I have some bad feelings about all that.

Sorry alley 😢 I hope you have a happy birthday in spite of this!

The tone of this is off to me, feels like very hollow promises about next steps

 

[PippyPony]

Unyeet Strog
Yeet meats

Keeps coming in and liking my posts and not saying a word.

I'd prefer to vote Strog, but no one seems to want to vote for him despite a promised catch up that never came

 

[WildZoo]

Is this feeling one you can explain? I reread all her posts and I see her joking in a way that doesn’t feel forced, sticking to a read although not really giving much reasoning, and giving a response to being asked about pippy that feels like it shows genuine thought on her. To me it sounds like village genny based on descriptions of the Genny Way TM being a combo of insightful/helpful posts and easy joking tone, but I know she’s a good enough wolf to imitate her village tone well and I generally have not had success reading her.

Thought I'd respond too.
Her thread presence is low, signal to noise ratio is low, and that post on pippy, while I agree with it, is not outside of wolf!genny range, especially if pip is in fact village. The fact that it came after being questioned rather than something she said spontaneously means I give her less credit for it.

 

[vetmedhead]

K did some rereading to try to see reasoning and timing of votes on these wagons. Not complete thoughts but i have to go now.

Strog:

- AM was initially interested in alley enough to lean dubz v for voting her. I didn’t find her reasoning for switching to strog but I don’t see it as a particularly wolfy move.

- alley is v

- pippy said diff and strog’s posts were sketching her early but wasn’t ready to go there. Had a tinfoil about AM saltvoting packmate z. She didn’t directly answer when asked if AM would bus a packmate D1 but her following interaction with AM felt like her being like “shrug it’s not a theory i feel strongly about but it occurred to me”, the asking AM questions to resolve her other concerns, which feels within pippy’s village range. Noted slight concern about w/w z/dubz and was questioning z’s read of dubz/alley as v/v. Voted alley fairly early. Shifted to strog 1 hour from close based on it feeling like there was a lot of defense. From the timing (strog was in the lead) I can’t see it w/w

Alley:

- Dubz and samac were solidly suspecting alley throughout the day. I understand where they were coming from altho I didn’t agree.

- april is v

- strog and lawpy were self-prez

- mkg went there right after strog came into the lead. A strog flip could be very informative.

Lawpy:

- diff expressed concern early. Same thing i say about meats getting cold feet about the vote when it got too real could be said of her, but overall she’s sounded more village to me than meats, her response to my vote didn’t give the knee-jerk panic feel i got from meats, and if she were mad about her off-wagon vote becoming a wagon i think she would have gone after meats instead of me

- meats came in late. Catchup takes looked pretty ok but nothing making me lean her v. Weirdly got antsy when I switched from a joke vote I think it was pretty clear I never intended to stay on, which meats agreed wasn’t a great vote, to someone meats apparently was also getting some type of feelings about, and didn’t appear to previously be wolf reading me. I don’t understand why a neutral read switching from a joke vote to a vote they previously apparently agreed with, based on reasoning she seemed to agree with and which i had posted before she ever came on thread, would suddenly give her cold feet about a vote except worrying about how if would make her look or the consequences if the vote ended up taking off... feels kinda like either TMI knowledge that lawpy is actually v and panicking that the inconspicuous off-main-wagons place she chose to place her vote may become much more conspicuous or a panic that a very soft bus could get much harder (phrasing lmao). I could see meats/lawpy as any aff combo but leaning towards w/v since after reading lawpy bioshock posts his play this game doesn’t ping me anymore.

- me

Haven’t looked at the reasoning by people who voted offwagon yet and I’ve gotta go do stuff now but that group overall is the most supect if strog/alley is v/v. Leaving this here for future me

- mayo (on AM)

- bob (on mkg)

- genny (on samac, who z is now hard pushing)

- Z (on Pippy who he continues to push hard)

What I didn't like about your lawpy vote was the timing, very close to mine and felt opportunistic and an easy way to hop on to a vote after a player who is temporarily having trouble catching up on thread without a lot of suspicion if that person did get voted off because I hopped on it first

 

[Lawpy]

The tone of this is off to me, feels like very hollow promises about next steps

Hmm