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Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem () -
Santy (4) - Clem 13, SAR 23, rae 33, Zenge 49
moon (2) - fruit 28, kitz 22
fruit (1) - genny 20
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -
beans (2) - Dubz 65, Spurs 105
Dubz (1) - toberto 31
Wasp (1) - samac 81
SAR (2) - Santy 59, moon 39
kitz (2) - Kcalb 39, beans 38

15/17
Santy is in the lead!
yeet close in ~45 minutes
 
I don't know what to tell you?? I don't have a read on you, so I'm not really bothered from that perspective. I don't agree with your take on SAR. I said her vote for you felt like it was coming from a genuine place, the votes from rae and Zenge just happened and I'm observing.

I don't understand why you're calling me out specifically here.

Because I think you know that the SAR vote is on an INCORRECT basis. And you see it get sheeped. And just silently eat popcorn?? Hello? Are you not reading the same game?

Also yeah im being unfair calling you out on specific but I expect that you who have been live reading it all would have more of a take here and the lack of it is super pingy. So yeah if you are town Im expecting you to wake up
 
Extra Information for New Players
Please see below for some extra information about playing forum mafia/werewolf on SDN. Note that we typically use wolf/village terminology on this site and that is reflected in some of this information, but as this game is for Mafia Universe practice, mafia and town will be used throughout. You may see players using either terminology.
WW Basics (Adapted from WW 101)

The game is divided into cycles. Each cycle is divided into a day and a night. During the day is when the players decide who they should "yeet" for that day. Villagers are trying to figure out who the wolves are (hence the name of the game WW=werewolf... by day they act like villagers, but by night they kill), and any other non-village entities that might pose a threat. The non-villagers are trying to look like they are doing the same, while actually acting towards their own win conditions. Each of you will cast a vote during the day sessions to yeet someone. When you cast a vote please put your vote in BOLD and use the term "vote" or "yeet", for example, yeet kaydubs. If you cannot use bold, put your vote in octothorpes, like so: ######yeet kaydubs######. You can change your vote from one person to another at any time before the vote is closed by writing unyeet kaydubs, yeet dubz. Whoever has the most votes against them will then be yoten, unless majority is in effect. They will die and are removed from the game.

We then move to the night cycle. This is when the wolves pick who they are going to kill. Also, some villagers have roles that allow them to do things to help the villagers out. Please reply to your role conversation with your night actions if you have any. To make it easier for us to find your final action, please bold it and indicate the night like this:
N1
Mutilate dubz


There will be a writeup after each day session explaining what happened in the yeet and the role of the persons yoten, and also a writeup after the night session similarly. In this game, the flavor will be entirely for fun and will not hint at any particular day or night events (most of it will be pre-written).

The SDN search function is not the best. However, you can use the steps below to search for all of a particular player's posts in the thread in isolation.

Click the "Search" box in the upper right hand of the forum page. Leave the search box blank if you are just looking to find all of the player's posts. In the dropdown, select "This thread". Then type the player's name in the box next to "By: " and click "search"

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The results will be a list of the player's posts in the game thread in reverse chronological order. Longer posts are snipped, so you will have to click through to be able to read some posts in their entirety. I recommend opening those in a new tab so you don't have to redo your search.


Bandwagon - A buildup of votes on one player, usually one that quickly reaches the majority of votes

Bus/Bussing - when a wolf backstabs another to gain the trust of the village

ISO - Short for "isolate", refers to when you search for a particular player's posts in the thread to read all of them at once. Often used to evaluate a single player at a time based on tone, or check for consistency in their posts.

Majority - How some votes in WW games operate - the vote closes as soon as someone has more than 50% of the total number of possible votes

Meta - Wolf meta. Village meta. Meta meta meta. This simply refers to various aspects of a player's playstyle, through time, in multiple games, and in different roles.

Mod Flair/Flavor - refers to artistic/creative license taken by the mods in writeups and individual players results. It is common for players to attempt to determine whether a particular portion of these writings is relevant to the game or simply mods having fun. I recommend against attempting such in this game - the flavor is just flavor 🙂

NAI - Not Affiliation Indicative. Usually refers to some aspect of a player's play that does not point to whether they are wolf or village. It simply...is.

NK - night kill - a death that occurs at night in the game. Usually refers to the wolf factional kill but can refer to other deaths as well!

Parity - When wolf numbers equal village numbers. This is how wolves win the game.

Plurality - How most votes in SDN WW games operate - the person who has the most votes when the cycle closes "wins" (and their prize is death)

Pocket - something mysteriously missing from a lot of women's clothing. Also the act of getting another player to trust you, typically by some form of sneaky emotional manipulation

POE - "Pot of Evil" "Pool of Eels" or, if you're boring, Process of Elimination. The suspects that remain when you eliminate your village reads, cleared villagers, etc from the roster.

PR - "Power role" - most often refers to a village role that has an ability (so not vanilla). May also be used to refer to a wolf with an ability.

RNG - Random Number Generator. Refers to the randomization of any part of the game, whether that be role distribution, a random d1 vote, breaking of a tie to determine who gets yoten, or an ability being used on a random player.

Rojo - One of the great old ones, his name has now the common term used to describe the act of accidentally posting something on the thread that was meant for PM, usually when a wolf posts something that was meant for wolf chat.

Scum - a catchall for the informed minority, usually the murderous ones. Someone the village needs to eliminate.

Sheep (verb) - refers to when players echo or follow another player's ideas/reasoning or yeet vote. Usually has a negative connotation.

Soft clear - When a player determines that, in their opinion, another player is not a wolf based on interactions, analysis, or whatever else and NOT through trustworthy mod-given information

Tinfoil - crackpot guesses and theories - something that may be posited by a player on thread just in case they are correct, but is often a little nutty.

Tot - Spectator --> Spectatortot --> Tatertot --> tot. These are the people observing the game from the outside, commenting in their own group chat with the mods.

Tunneling - player A continues to go after player B day after day, perhaps in spite of evidence that player B is village

Vanilla - a player with no special abilities. Can refer to a villager - sometimes called a vanillager - or a wolf, who in that case would have no abilities other than killing. Can also refer to a type of game where no special abilities exist.

VCA - Vote Count Analysis - a way of analyzing the game based on previous votes. The goal is to figure out who the wolves (and the villagers!) are based on the progression of previous days' votes.

Village(r) Code - A terrible way to determine someone's affiliation based on the style/format of their role PM, due to the assumption that wolf PMs will be formatted differently from villager PMs. Don't do it.

VoLo - Vote (correctly) or Lose. Also seen as "Yolo" (Yeet correctly or Lose). This is the point of no return for the village. If anything other than a wolf is voted out during VoLo, village loses the game. Other related terms include MyLo, which is the game state where a misyeet would lose the game for village but no death or the death of a third party would not, and Marvolo, which refers to Volo and Mylo together when there is some doubt about which stage the game is in. The latter MyLo or MarVolo may also be used when night actions could prevent the game from ending overnight, even if a villager is yoten during the day.

Waffle - A delicious breakfast food. Also, the act of switching your vote. If lots of votes are switching around the same time, especially towards the end of the day, we call that a wafflefest

Wagon
- simply refers to the collection of votes for a particular player, no matter how many votes there are or how quickly they were placed

WIFOM - Wine in Front of Me, taken from the poison scene in The Princess Bride. The circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of someone who knows their actions would be analyzed. Probably overused.
Here @toberto , under "How to ISO players' posts"
 
I've been a bit iffy about your slot based on your treatment of Fruit's slot. I don't agree with it.
What about it you dont agree with? Im vleaning villa on them rn, at start I was leaning mafia which was the reason I voted but after some of their posts I backed down of that sus. Was there something you didnt agree with in specific?

Why didnt you call it out sooner ?
 
Picture you are moon and are wolf.

During this time you have been shortly active at the start, and since then some people shaded you vote hopping earlier. Is it really what you do just again pop in and sheep another vote?

Like its surface level the thing of stuff any wolf can reckon will rise up alarms from other towns and doing so close to day end and being a vote consideration for some players is just... A bad idea.

Might be reading too much into it but idk, when I read it at the moment felt like really towny because of the lack of awareness/survival. Like, suuurely wolf!moon tries to at least embellish or come up with something to sheep the vote in a more acceptable manner

Ok so picture you are SAR and are wolf

No, that tone may actually be too sassy.

Anyway, my interpretation of this is that moon is active at the start then goes quieter - less engaged. But in their quieter time does the thing she was shaded for, therefore not wolf because wolf would try to take the sus thing and do it kess.

Meanwhile SAR is also active at the start of the game, then goes quieter. Gets shaded for lack of game relevant content. To which I come back in my quieter time and continue to not really generate much game related content (lol, I know myself). If I was a wolf I should probably have at least come back with some reads to mitigate that sus, based on your post about moon.

These two things are similar but you give moon town points for it and scum points to me.

To me it feels like you were looking for a reasonable argument to get me misyeeted while using a similar argument to generate a town read. That feels like something a wolf would try to generate
 
Because I think you know that the SAR vote is on an INCORRECT basis. And you see it get sheeped. And just silently eat popcorn?? Hello? Are you not reading the same game?

Also yeah im being unfair calling you out on specific but I expect that you who have been live reading it all would have more of a take here and the lack of it is super pingy. So yeah if you are town Im expecting you to wake up
I am struggling to understand what you are saying is objectively incorrect about it:shrug:

But yes I feel like it is within my rights to watch how something develops organically without commenting in the middle of it. I did not feel the need to comment on a 4 vote wagon that, if you'll notice, has 3 people I have listed in my village-ish reads on it. And is for someone I don't have a strong read on. Free shrugs.
 
Meanwhile SAR is also active at the start of the game, then goes quieter. Gets shaded for lack of game relevant content. To which I come back in my quieter time and continue to not really generate much game related content (lol, I know myself). If I was a wolf I should probably have at least come back with some reads to mitigate that sus, based on your post about moon.

These two things are similar but you give moon town points for it and scum points to me.

To me it feels like you were looking for a reasonable argument to get me misyeeted while using a similar argument to generate a town read. That feels like something a wolf would try to generate

As in bolded: When did this happen this game? Like the difference of your slot with moon is that moon was repeatedly called out by other people and was the lead wagon. And you before my vote... that was the first time someone was calling you out.

the contexts are like, super different for them to be the same?
 
What about it you dont agree with? Im vleaning villa on them rn, at start I was leaning mafia which was the reason I voted but after some of their posts I backed down of that sus. Was there something you didnt agree with in specific?

Why didnt you call it out sooner ?
Where would you rather go? And don't say Clem, that just feel like low hanging fruit.
 
I think Santy's vote on Sars is fine

I think Sars reaction to it is sus and vote onto Santy is sus

I think Rae comes to their own conclusion on Santy which is okay

Zenge's vote on Santy doesn't look good at all
 
I think Santy's vote on Sars is fine

I think Sars reaction to it is sus and vote onto Santy is sus

I think Rae comes to their own conclusion on Santy which is okay

Zenge's vote on Santy doesn't look good at all
Agree with all of this.

Zenge's vote and following posts have really shaken my town read of him.
 
Toby , moons do you feel I am being unreasoble for calling out Dubz akwards lurking around seeing things go south and just letting it happen?
 
As in bolded: When did this happen this game? Like the difference of your slot with moon is that moon was repeatedly called out by other people and was the lead wagon. And you before my vote... that was the first time someone was calling you out.

the contexts are like, super different for them to be the same?
Your perception of the game state and mine are different and that's okay. I was tagged multiple times and saw myself on multiple scum lists with people saying they needed to see more content. That is shade for lack of content.

I feel like you're above average likelihood to be a hit 🤷‍♀️ Unless someone makes a stronger convincing argument for someone else, I'm likely gonna stay where I'm to.
 
Your perception of the game state and mine are different and that's okay. I was tagged multiple times and saw myself on multiple scum lists with people saying they needed to see more content. That is shade for lack of content.

I feel like you're above average likelihood to be a hit 🤷‍♀️ Unless someone makes a stronger convincing argument for someone else, I'm likely gonna stay where I'm to.

Bolded: By who? Maybe i really am wrong and you can easily prove me wrong by looking at your tags then
 
I am opposed to SAR yeet (#vibes)

I can't really oppose Clem because he's given me nothing to work with lol

I hard veto beans or moon as wagons for today. If you want to vote them, vote me before idk

Clem or SAR is the way
It sure is interesting that dubZ and Santy are hard protecting the player that the other one is targeting.

And both willing to vote Clem.

I really want to read this interaction as w/v between the two of them (which would make Clem v)... but I'm not sure that conclusion necessarily follows.
 
Bolded: By who? Maybe i really am wrong and you can easily prove me wrong by looking at your tags then
Not easy to do on mobile I'm afraid. I will try briefly and see if I can illustrate what I was seeing
 
Toby , moons do you feel I am being unreasoble for calling out Dubz akwards lurking around seeing things go south and just letting it happen?
Not really. I can kind of buy her explanation, but I'm struggling to understand her reads, especially her being reserved on you
 
I got done swimming and see I’ve missed FOUR PAGES

someone tldr me plz while I drive home (I will probably stlll miss vote close though 😭)
 
I got done swimming and see I’ve missed FOUR PAGES

someone tldr me plz while I drive home (I will probably stlll miss vote close though 😭)
Sar or Clem are the only viable wagons for a vote, so choose between those two.

Im hard vetoing moon as a wagon
 
And yes, I will be taking charge of this EoD. No, I dont care that technically Im in the lead rn
 
I got done swimming and see I’ve missed FOUR PAGES

someone tldr me plz while I drive home (I will probably stlll miss vote close though 😭)
The very short version is just the current votes (although I just moved to you to try to save Santy):

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem () -
Santy (4) - Clem 13, SAR 23, rae 33, Zenge 49
moon (2) - fruit 28, kitz 22
fruit (1) - genny 20
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -
beans (2) - Dubz 65, Spurs 105
Dubz (1) - toberto 31
Wasp (1) - samac 81
SAR (2) - Santy 59, moon 39
kitz (2) - Kcalb 39, beans 38

15/17
Santy is in the lead!
yeet close in ~45 minutes
 
Not really. I can kind of buy her explanation, but I'm struggling to understand her reads, especially her being reserved on you
I don't see what you're seeing that is outside of Santy's wolf range? Maybe something in earlier pages? I had a null read on him because I hadn't seen content posts yet. Now I have him on a vote I disagree with and I think entirely unreasonably coming at me for not defending him when I don't have a village read on him. So it's really hard for me to be anything but annoyed lol
 
I don't think you're being unreasonable.

I think the list of people on your wagon are pretty darn sus aside from @_rae_ , and while I think it's unlikely that all of Clem, SAR and Zenge are scum, I sure think one of them probably is. So I will likely not be joining the Santy wagon.
 
Like saying SAR is not an easy misyeet as someone who has played with SAR on, as far as I know, multiple occasions is just...strange to me.

I could be wrong and he could be right, sometimes the fruit does just hang low, but it's not like SAR is ever a hard d1 push and it's a rare game where she isn't on the d1 tally.
 
I don't see what you're seeing that is outside of Santy's wolf range? Maybe something in earlier pages? I had a null read on him because I hadn't seen content posts yet. Now I have him on a vote I disagree with and I think entirely unreasonably coming at me for not defending him when I don't have a village read on him. So it's really hard for me to be anything but annoyed lol
Its not a defense that Im expecting. But at least a call out on the reasoning of SAR being wrong? Like its almost objectively wrong and you let it slide and build up live. Calling out SAR argument as wrong wouldnt mean that you retract your read on SAR . But idk you should see a wagon forming on me with dubious arguments at best this close to EoD and feel nothing??? Because admittedly you're not sure of a read on me???
 
I don't see what you're seeing that is outside of Santy's wolf range? Maybe something in earlier pages? I had a null read on him because I hadn't seen content posts yet. Now I have him on a vote I disagree with and I think entirely unreasonably coming at me for not defending him when I don't have a village read on him. So it's really hard for me to be anything but annoyed lol
What do you think of the Santy wagon?
 
Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem () -
Santy (4) - Clem 13, SAR 26, rae 33, Zenge 50
moon (2) - fruit 28, kitz 23
fruit (1) - genny 20
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -
beans (2) - Dubz 68, Spurs 108
Dubz (1) - toberto 33
Wasp (1) - samac 81
SAR (1) - Santy 70
kitz (3) - Kcalb 39, beans 38, moon 44

15/17
Santy is in the lead!
yeet close in ~28 minutes
 
I don't see what you're seeing that is outside of Santy's wolf range? Maybe something in earlier pages? I had a null read on him because I hadn't seen content posts yet. Now I have him on a vote I disagree with and I think entirely unreasonably coming at me for not defending him when I don't have a village read on him. So it's really hard for me to be anything but annoyed lol
is it within their wolf range or is it wolfy though
 
Its not a defense that Im expecting. But at least a call out on the reasoning of SAR being wrong? Like its almost objectively wrong and you let it slide and build up live. Calling out SAR argument as wrong wouldnt mean that you retract your read on SAR . But idk you should see a wagon forming on me with dubious arguments at best this close to EoD and feel nothing??? Because admittedly you're not sure of a read on me???
Then what are you expecting?? Because with everything you say it seems like you're asking for a defense! And again, I do not know what part of SAR's argument you are referring to as wrong.

Zenge had barely voted for you before you started yelling at me, so I didn't even have a chance to react to that. rae had her own reason. So again I am not sure what you want from me.
 
I don't see what you're seeing that is outside of Santy's wolf range? Maybe something in earlier pages? I had a null read on him because I hadn't seen content posts yet. Now I have him on a vote I disagree with and I think entirely unreasonably coming at me for not defending him when I don't have a village read on him. So it's really hard for me to be anything but annoyed lol
Well tbh I'm not sure I'm that familiar with Santy's wolf range, maybe my belief in his towniness is slightly unreasonable 😅 But he really feels so much like the Santy that caught genny in the previous game that's slipping my mind (I'll see if I can track it down).

Also it doesn't make sense to me for wolf!Santy to be flailing this hard, like the strategy doesn't make a lot of sense - kinda just seems like he's digging his own grave at this point, and he'd realize it? Like, if you're town and he's wolf, why would he yell at you rather than try to be friendly, y'know? He just feels like frustrated town to me

And fair, I'd probably be annoyed to be yelled at
 
is it within their wolf range or is it wolfy though
That's not what I'm asking of moon. She said he was a shining beacon of villageness, I was asking what put him in that spot (i.e. out of his wolf range) for her.

I have him as null, not wolfy. I am not currently voting for him.
 
Sar or Clem are the only viable wagons for a vote, so choose between those two.

Im hard vetoing moon as a wagon
The very short version is just the current votes (although I just moved to you to try to save Santy):
@Santygrass where is the Clem wagon???

Ty moon for the updated votes. Just earned you some village cred Unyeet moon @Animal Midwife @kaydubs @supershorty

We are all…very spread. I’m getting war flashbacks

Santy has been a bit pushy for my nerves so I’m going to hop on that wagon though I was ruminating on Clem while swimming as well yeet santy @Animal Midwife @kaydubs @supershorty

Apparently champs is the stakes I needed to unlock kitz effort mode why am I sitting in the parking lot typing lmao
 
Bolded: By who? Maybe i really am wrong and you can easily prove me wrong by looking at your tags then
So kcalb, you, spurs, and to some extent Zenge have all make direct comments wolf reading me and commenting on lack of game content.

The only village read on me I found actually was rae and more recently dubz.

And as Dubz said, it's a rare d1 that I'm not at least discussed. You've played with me enough to know I have frequently been low hanging fruit because I'm not a high poster. I don't think your arguments have pushed for anything outside of my village range either.
 
Then what are you expecting?? Because with everything you say it seems like you're asking for a defense! And again, I do not know what part of SAR's argument you are referring to as wrong.

Zenge had barely voted for you before you started yelling at me, so I didn't even have a chance to react to that. rae had her own reason. So again I am not sure what you want from me.
dubZ, see below my thoughts on it--SAR's explanation didn't make sense in that threadstate.
I will say... this is a very odd justification for a vote, when before the vote there were no votes on SAR. idk how this would be an "easy misyeet," in that threadstate.

But it's also an odd justification for w!SAR to give when it's so obviously verifiably wrong.
It could be tired, busy SAR who just has gotten used to being sus on D1 lately. But explaining a Santy vote because SAR was an "easy" vote doesn't make logical sense, IMO.
 
Man this feels like the last time I thunderdomed with @samac but I'm having less fun this time. If it's my turn to be d1ed then whatever but hopefully it gives people pause to look at who pushed for it

(Still fun just more tired resignation this time than the shiggles with samac)
 
dubZ, see below my thoughts on it--SAR's explanation didn't make sense in that threadstate.

It could be tired, busy SAR who just has gotten used to being sus on D1 lately. But explaining a Santy vote because SAR was an "easy" vote doesn't make logical sense, IMO.
I mean I read it more as a meta statement than a gamestate one :shrug:
 
I can join you. Can you refresh my memory why not beans?

beans vote on kitz is like, really towny. And also Ive been liking their progress developing reads or posting? On a base level that I see as genuine solving and not the "trying to show off Im solving" style. But yeah the kitz vote is prob the towniest part so far
 
This place moves fast, in a good way! I'm very sorry for being slower! Following along on this conversation Santy is reading Townie to me after the last page and change of talk about SAR. Personally I agree the makes sense and I will

Yeet SAR
 
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