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[Santygrass]

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Also, another side thought before I take off.
Wasn't @genny a good Clem reader? I feel a bit like there is a radio silence from their part considering Clem is in the lead hmhmhm

 

[toberto]

impossible to read? let's see

##yeet dubz##

for no reason. just to be chaotic

2 votes in a row with no actual sus basis just excused by ‘2nd voter rule’ or ‘chaotic’

 

[Santygrass]

Now Im rereading genny and kinda seeing the wolf equity rise @Zenge142 I think possibly you were also on to something This SoD

 

[Santygrass]

@Clem J what is your read on SAR and genny?

 

[toberto]

##unyeet rae
yeet dubz##

Something about not being fully integrated into the came but recognising that wild zoo is called dubz unnerves me because I’m mostly caught up and integrated and it took me a while to realise let alone actually call them dubz

Makes me think is a wolfchat tell

 

[GoSpursGo]

yeesh. I’m struggling to keep up with this thread which is really saying something. I stayed up too late last night catching up and I’m ALREADY behind again.

I feel pretty good about voting either of the leading wagons, plus Zenge and SAR personally though if feels like the consensus has moved away there. I’ll probably respond to people who asked me something specific and then set my vote. I kinda wouldn’t mind triggering the hammer early today just to get it over with 😅

 

[Santygrass]

Unyeet Clem
Yeet genny

 

[Santygrass]

yeesh. I’m struggling to keep up with this thread which is really saying something. I stayed up too late last night catching up and I’m ALREADY behind again.

I feel pretty good about voting either of the leading wagons, plus Zenge and SAR personally though if feels like the consensus has moved away there. I’ll probably respond to people who asked me something specific and then set my vote. I kinda wouldn’t mind triggering the hammer early today just to get it over with 😅

I think Zenge is like... Not locktown level, but very very towny

 

[Santygrass]

Unyeet Clem
Yeet genny

The crimes of genny involves them pushing what I mostly feel are villas while also habing people I think are mafia as like, in the poe but barely doing any talk about them. But most important of all its very laking in..
genny takes. Genny is being like /too aligned/ with what a genereal thread consensus can be, and their brain usually has some out of pocket ideas (like pairing fruits and beans early D1 was one but then that was it)

So I think is very likely this is wolf!genny we're playing with

 

[Santygrass]

Spurs - Samac - Beans - Zenge - Toby

My town blocc

 

[Santygrass]

The crimes of genny involves them pushing what I mostly feel are villas while also habing people I think are mafia as like, in the poe but barely doing any talk about them. But most important of all its very laking in..
genny takes. Genny is being like /too aligned/ with what a genereal thread consensus can be, and their brain usually has some out of pocket ideas (like pairing fruits and beans early D1 was one but then that was it)

So I think is very likely this is wolf!genny we're playing with

Also I do think that genny having Clem as sus today but barely talking about it feels scummy regardless of Clem's actual alignment tbh

 

[GoSpursGo]

I still have 8 more pages to read

My intiial thoughts during the night was that there’s likely a wolf among the wolf wagon but looking at the lineup and how everyone approached it I’m finding difficult to justify any directions. I have an itch about some things Samac says but I think we will have better luck today looking at who was afraid to vote Kitz

the santy voters are interesting to me. But there are 4 of them and they can’t all be wolves so I need to see who feels less genuine with it. To me it was coming off as Zenge just piling on, which I think at the time was helping save Clem ? Zenge’s early claim is also bit iffy to me, he says it’s self resolving so we can let him try resolve, but I don’t think there was a need to claim so early?

Fruit looks good and most the kits voters look good tbh, when I looked at how they approached the vote. Spurs hopped on and then hopped off onto Beans? Which isn’t going to make an impact to the yeet. Bit of an odd choice.

I need to look at eod 1 again but for now I need to try read the thread in short bursts

I landed on SAR. Honestly I was delayed in hopping on because I was calculating a tally, then I panicked off both because I didn't fully follow the reasoning behind the flip from SAR, and because in real time it was worrisome to me that it seemed like there was a lot less resistance to the kitz vote than to SAR, and for personal reasons that I felt bad because I kind of have a history of misyeeting kitz (and kitz is a relatively new player).

I haven’t reviewed your interactions but how are you unpaired with kitz? Like what provides distance?

I don't really have any unpairing interactions. I thought I hopped on the vote faster than I did, but now I see I'm misremembering.

In my opinion the kitz vote had more reasoning and weight behind it though. What swayed me independently was their uninformed panic self pres vote that they tried to play off as a change of opinion. It also had just happened recently that everyone saw.

SARS was mostly sus for how he reacted to Santys vote which is kind of ugly reasoning that I never like to hold against someone because it’s just emotional based on how someone personally takes a vote against them. Santy obviously had their own reasoning for voting SARS that I don’t actually recall anymore so can’t have been that damning

And clem was sus for just being unhelpful

I just don’t see a world right now where Santy is wolf. If kitz was town I could be considering Santy but that was not the case so I won’t

That's fine. I don't need to keep relitigating it--I'm not townlocking Santy, but I'm leaning town, and I'm certainly not voting there today.

I find it surprising how much attention Clem has been getting for doing much of nothing

Like his name is being shouted a lot

And it’s interesting there wasn’t more of a push to him given a wolf then fell over day 1

Note to self to take a look at who was saying Clem but hesitant to vote Clem

And was there anyone hesitant to vote both Clem and kits

Surely Clem would have been a good yeet if he is town why was there not more push to it - is he actually not town

I'm not sure I entirely agree with this interpretation. A lot of people voiced openness to voting Clem, but we also recognized that in case of a misyeet he would provide almost no useful information. And there were other sus people to choose from that would yield better information.

There was never enough of an actual voting push that he was in any danger on D1, so it's hard to tell if there was any resistance to that vote. Though off the top of my head, genny and dubZ both laughed at me voting there.

I think Zenge is like... Not locktown level, but very very towny

Yeah he's settled into his usual towny self, but I still maintain some of his actions at the beginning of the game felt performative to me.

Then again, enough of my town reads are not interested in voting there, so I'm willing to leave him on the periphery of my POE for today.

 

[GoSpursGo]

HES MY CHILD

BUT I'M STILL TOO SOFT!!!

 

[GoSpursGo]

I landed on SAR. Honestly I was delayed in hopping on because I was calculating a tally, then I panicked off both because I didn't fully follow the reasoning behind the flip from SAR, and because in real time it was worrisome to me that it seemed like there was a lot less resistance to the kitz vote than to SAR, and for personal reasons that I felt bad because I kind of have a history of misyeeting kitz (and kitz is a relatively new player).

I don't really have any unpairing interactions. I thought I hopped on the vote faster than I did, but now I see I'm misremembering.

That's fine. I don't need to keep relitigating it--I'm not townlocking Santy, but I'm leaning town, and I'm certainly not voting there today.

I'm not sure I entirely agree with this interpretation. A lot of people voiced openness to voting Clem, but we also recognized that in case of a misyeet he would provide almost no useful information. And there were other sus people to choose from that would yield better information.

There was never enough of an actual voting push that he was in any danger on D1, so it's hard to tell if there was any resistance to that vote. Though off the top of my head, genny and dubZ both laughed at me voting there.

Yeah he's settled into his usual towny self, but I still maintain some of his actions at the beginning of the game felt performative to me.

Then again, enough of my town reads are not interested in voting there, so I'm willing to leave him on the periphery of my POE for today.

There should be a comma between "off" and "both," but I can't edit

 

[supershorty]

I'm late but I'll compensate saying @supershorty go to bed

I'm at work 😡

 

[GoSpursGo]

Someone said this is Kits second time wolfing so if I just iso their posts I’m sure they’ve either avoided their wolf partners or been awkward with them. I’ll do it when I have time later if I haven’t already seen someone else do it

This was here one and only reads list. I don’t think there’s anything I can definitively take away, it was pretty blah

I learned that yall talk fast (expected) lots of new people, a lot of early pretty hard town reads without a ton of substance. But d1 usually flies over my head anyways

Leaning v for fruit for now, somewhat v for you (I think it’s interesting how many people have already seemingly pegged you as v), zenge is pinging me some but this also reminds me of last game so likely v

Neutral sar

I haven’t liked the tone of moon and someone else (who I can’t remember the name of rn lolol) but I need to get to know the new peeps better. Maybe kcalb is pure?

I know I’m forgetting people but I just woke up haha

Samac usually: I don’t know these people I can’t read them!
Samac with KC and Toby:

I’m trying to keep my antennae raised but agree the tone is good

Spurs - Samac - Beans - Zenge - Toby

My town blocc

You gotta have fruit in there

Also I do think that genny having Clem as sus today but barely talking about it feels scummy regardless of Clem's actual alignment tbh

This is reasonable.

We have some really good players in the POE and they are all doing a good job of heaping sus on each other.

 

[GoSpursGo]

I'm at work 😡

Skill issue

 

[WildZoo]

I read this and want to believe how you were feeling - confused. So I’m putting myself in your shoes in that I’m called out and I’m confused and I know what I’m confused about, it’s an argument about Santy and Sar that I’m lacking context of.

You also say you were busy multitasking with other work this is fine I can believe that

but you posted a lot and responded a lot and didnt want to go grab context to better inform yourself over what was going on? You remained present but not too much on either side as to not uncommit to any side of the fence so your vote could go where needed. I think it strikes me as unusual

There’s a fear to be present in the topic as you were called out, but there’s not an instinct to investigate what the issue was, which was a feeling I was getting from you generally even before the sars vs santy moment

What part of my saying not to vote for SAR is straddling the fence? That was my read based on the posts I had read. I made that pretty clear.

I didn't give a definitive read on Santy, true, but I also didn't feel like it was necessarily a w/v interaction where I needed to do so, nor did I feel like I was in a position to read him objectively when he was getting on my nerves. I never voted for him or pushed for his vote at all, the only thing I said was that SAR seemed genuine in her reaction.

I also asked multiple times for him to explain more directly to me what he thought SAR was obkectively wrong about and he never did that, he never even said "here is a post where I compiled the quotes". Even looking back at the post I would have had to go even further back to understand what had been said about moon vs what had been said about SAR to assess whether I agreed that she was intentionally misrepresenting the situation vs misunderstanding or if I even agreed she was wrong. It is inherently more difficult to go hunting down that amount of context when I'm busy than to post in real time, and my preference as I said before is the latter. I backread when I have extra time, otherwise I'm keeping up with current goings on and that was taking enough time as it was.

I was very clear that I had not read the pages of the thread that had occurred while I wasn't posting, and it continues to confuse me why I specifically was asked to comment on a situation that I did not have game context for and why I continue to be berated for asking for help understanding and not receiving said help. Santy already said himself that he assumed I knew what he was talking about, despite me saying over and over again that I in fact did not.

 

[WildZoo]

I don't really have any unpairing interactions. I thought I hopped on the vote faster than I did, but now I see I'm misremembering.

Did you vote there? I thought you didn't and that's why I was confused why you thought you were unpaired at all

 

[WildZoo]

SAR (2) - Wasp 14, Spurs 119

 

[GoSpursGo]

Did you vote there? I thought you didn't and that's why I was confused why you thought you were unpaired at all

Not at the end. I hopped on at 7:55, then off at 7:58, for the reasons I said. I was delayed in voting there because I was tabulating the vote totals.

unyeet sar
yeet kitz
@Animal Midwife @supershorty @kaydubs

Um

unyeet kitz
yeet sar

 

[toberto]

This is also my feeling with The Wasp. I reckon Wasp had a kinda bad looking post being good faith to kitz? But other than that the wagon also built very smoothly idk.

I'm pondering. But I am currently leaving to go to work and later will have dnd session so my time will be very limited (Skill Issue rip)

I recall wasp saying something about Kitz being town although the description gave more neutral which just looks odd now

But Clem is just nothinburger

 

[toberto]

So like.

Idk how to feel about kitz being town be the first actual read they make and also almlst exclusively. Also they voted SAR at EoD someone probably should check the timing of that wagon-wise

I find the description of Wasps’ Kitz read so odd, so you put Kitz as your only town but say they are not screaming wolf or town to you… and that’s your ONLY town read ? Would someone actually put their wolf partner as their first and only town read ?

 

[WildZoo]

Not at the end. I hopped on at 7:55, then off at 7:58, for the reasons I said. I was delayed in voting there because I was tabulating the vote totals.

Oh so you're in the same spot I am. Actually worse because you hopped on well after it was clear she was going over 😛

 

[GoSpursGo]

Oh so you're in the same spot I am. Actually worse because you hopped on well after it was clear she was going over 😛

BUT I WAS BEING HELPFUL GETTING A VOTE COUNT!!!

But yes 🙂

 

[toberto]

What part of my saying not to vote for SAR is straddling the fence? That was my read based on the posts I had read. I made that pretty clear.

I didn't give a definitive read on Santy, true, but I also didn't feel like it was necessarily a w/v interaction where I needed to do so, nor did I feel like I was in a position to read him objectively when he was getting on my nerves. I never voted for him or pushed for his vote at all, the only thing I said was that SAR seemed genuine in her reaction.

I also asked multiple times for him to explain more directly to me what he thought SAR was obkectively wrong about and he never did that, he never even said "here is a post where I compiled the quotes". Even looking back at the post I would have had to go even further back to understand what had been said about moon vs what had been said about SAR to assess whether I agreed that she was intentionally misrepresenting the situation vs misunderstanding or if I even agreed she was wrong. It is inherently more difficult to go hunting down that amount of context when I'm busy than to post in real time, and my preference as I said before is the latter. I backread when I have extra time, otherwise I'm keeping up with current goings on and that was taking enough time as it was.

I was very clear that I had not read the pages of the thread that had occurred while I wasn't posting, and it continues to confuse me why I specifically was asked to comment on a situation that I did not have game context for and why I continue to be berated for asking for help understanding and not receiving said help. Santy already said himself that he assumed I knew what he was talking about, despite me saying over and over again that I in fact did not.

I think a lot of this is fair, and I do recall you getting frustrated with being called at and as I was also there it wasn’t clear to me initially what the heck was even going on between them

I still just feel that you were hesitant to form a strong opinion on it in a way where you possibly didn't want to commit to an opinion yet as to not narrow your voting pool

I do also recall you saying multiple times this game that you prefer to play in real time

 

[toberto]

Not at the end. I hopped on at 7:55, then off at 7:58, for the reasons I said. I was delayed in voting there because I was tabulating the vote totals.

What went through your head to be switching from the winning wagon to a vote that obviously won’t win

Why didn’t you want to end on Kitz

 

[toberto]

What went through your head to be switching from the winning wagon to a vote that obviously won’t win

Why didn’t you want to end on Kitz

Like not wanting to end on the Kitz wagon when you were already on it screams tmi to me. Why didn’t you want to vote it but not end on it ?

I know Kitz flipped wolf and on face value it’s the better look but it looks like you were informed about the result to swap to an obviously losing vote

 

[toberto]

Omg I caught up it only took me 5 hours

 

[GoSpursGo]

Unofficial Day 2 Yeet Tally
Dubz (1) - Mrs Queequeg 26
SAR () -
genny (1) -Santy
Zenge () -
Clem (3) - SAR 14, Zenge 61, samac 53,
Wasp (4) - fruit 13, Dubz 57, Spurs 62, kcalb 17
Santy () -
rae () -

9/15
Leading: wasp
yeet closed in ~18.5 hours

 

[WildZoo]

Omg I caught up it only took me 5 hours

And that is why I don't try!

 

[GoSpursGo]

Unofficial Day 2 Yeet Tally
Dubz (1) - Mrs Queequeg 26
SAR () -
genny (1) -Santy
Zenge () -
Clem (3) - SAR 14, Zenge 61, samac 53,
Wasp (4) - fruit 13, Dubz 57, Spurs 62, kcalb 17
Santy () -
rae () -

9/15
Leading: wasp
yeet closed in ~11 hours

Yeet closes in 11 hours. Also FYI hammer is now in effect.

From a high level, I like the wagon on Wasp better than Clem

 

[beans2020]

I did not expect you guys to generate 5 pages overnight

 

[WildZoo]

I think a lot of this is fair, and I do recall you getting frustrated with being called at and as I was also there it wasn’t clear to me initially what the heck was even going on between them

I still just feel that you were hesitant to form a strong opinion on it in a way where you possibly didn't want to commit to an opinion yet as to not narrow your voting pool

I do also recall you saying multiple times this game that you prefer to play in real time

I don't think it's inherently wrong to see it that way but that wasn't why I didn't want to give a strong opinion. I'm just not someone that gives strong opinions when I don't feel informed on the topic at hand. I would have been happy to comment otherwise. I commented on what I felt I could, which was that generally I don't associate retaliatory votes with SAR's wolf play.

It also just didn't feel that important to me in real time, I think I said this somewhere else, eventually it became a big deal but when their whole back and forth started I was just like...not even paying that much attention to it. Sadly can't remember what I was more focused on at the time but I'm sure it was something that seemed more interesting to my brain in that moment

 

[beans2020]

Im starting to.see you charm, keep.goimg


No clue how to.read this is the first time I see it, could you help me?

So all the players are listed in the column on the left. Everytime someone said something that I felt was unpairing about another player I marked the player in red based off of the list on the top.
For example, when you voted kitz, I found your name on the left and marked under kitz's name.
Does that make sense? I feel like I didn't explain that well

 

[Kcalb]

How did @genny make it into your "not yeeting" list?

And how did samac make it twice? I know she's your favorite, but I feel like I should be on there at least 3 times, and I'm feeling left out 🙁

She followed the Zenge wagon eheheheh)? And yesterday I didn't see her wolfy, is more of a gut feellng than any other thing.

You are 3.times townie in my heart uwu

Also I kust noticed I missed somepages while reading Yesterday? That was why I was so confused with qq posts. Ill skim past them eventually.

I need to get up to date aaaaa

 

[beans2020]

I'm on the fence between wasp and clem. I agree with santy's analysis that clem x kitz make a lot of sense as a wolf pair. I agree less with zenge's take that we need to kill clem bc he's not going to be helpful later

 

[Zenge142]

This is a relatively new zenge thing I think. I don’t know if I’m a fan tbh but we’ll see going forward.

I mean this is how I've always done things but it was a little more informal. After I misyeeted fruit in Snacks, I felt the need to formalize it and realized if I'd written it all out I never would have misyeeted Fruit.

Fruit's misyeet was a wake up call.

 

[beans2020]

Is wasp TWTBW? Because I think toby made a good point earlier - would a wolf list their partner as their only townread? Wasp would have had to know that would look bad if kitz flipped.
Like nothing wasp has done is making me village read her but I don't think I can say she's more paired with kitz than clem is

 

[GoSpursGo]

I did not expect you guys to generate 5 pages overnight

 

[Zenge142]

Gonna re-read from the Start of Day 2 here, because I know I missed some posts last night

 

[beans2020]

I still am not convinced on SAR...like I would think she would try to keep the santy wagon built up if her packmates kitz and clem were being thrown out as yeet options

 

[Zenge142]

Like nothing wasp has done is making me village read her but I don't think I can say she's more paired with kitz than clem is

I can!

But only because Clem did nothing and gave me very little data to work with

 

[GoSpursGo]

I can!

But only because Clem did nothing and gave me very little data to work with

You need to normalize your formula to relative activity.

Just make it as convoluted and inscrutable as possible

 

[Kcalb]

Also I had a read about Zenge, which was since he had a claim in his pocket, that was why he was being so difficult with reads yesterday. So he could just claim that and keep being superficial. Ant that explains his annoyance with the preassure etc

But yesterday I read he was salty? And kinda left me thinking that it made much more sense. But why would a villager be salty of the village Pr saving himself by the naills and using a claim as a last resort. It's just a weird attitude for me tbhhh

Im not moving on, from w!Zenge but I think Im tunneling too much so I want to look around other places too

@Santygrass

Tagging since I saw the post asking me why I was moving on but can't find lt without the fear of losing my post haha

 

[WildZoo]

I did not expect you guys to generate 5 pages overnight

Sorry, people refuse to let me chill!

 

[Santygrass]

I would like more takes ln genny please and thank you

 

[Santygrass]

Spurs - Samac - Beans - Zenge - Toby

My town blocc

Also adding fruits to the blocc

 

[GoSpursGo]

I would like more takes ln genny please and thank you

In my POE. But I sort of feel like we can gain more information about her by taking out other players.

If something weird happened I guess I could consider her today but I’m reasonably comfortable with Clem/Wasp, and at this point I think we are just regurgitating the same points from slightly different angles

 

[Santygrass]

In my POE. But I sort of feel like we can gain more information about her by taking out other players.

If something weird happened I guess I could consider her today but I’m reasonably comfortable with Clem/Wasp, and at this point I think we are just regurgitating the same points from slightly different angles

Tbh on threadlevel and reads wise I think Wasp is more likely town . You also pointed out how the Clem wagon doesnt spark much joy . Like, in my head is not impossible that they are both villas? I do think there is kne likely in Clem-Sar still, but my read on thread atm is that this could be the road to us sleepwalking on a misyeet so I dont want someone I usually have a good read on (genny) being wolfy go unnoticed tbh.