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This isn't outright unpairing... but it is an awfully risky thing to say about a packmate who is at risk of going over.

Idunno. I'm stubborn. But I'd like to take some time tomorrow to look at how much of what Zenge is seeing is related to possibly following Santy's lead

Unyeet toby
Yeet Clem

@Animal Midwife @kaydubs @supershorty
kitz wasn't at risk of going over at that point. it was between SAR and santy at that point iirc

santy pushed for that kitz yeet really strongly after i swapped to kitz, and toby only voted kitz after santy pushed for it really hard
 
Oh yay that means I can sheep Zenges without risking getting too close to hammer

Yeet Toby
I gotta be honest... I kinda wanted to just sheep Zenge and go watch TV, because that would be SO much easier.

Alas. I'm stubborn.
 
spurs/kitz/wasp: unlikely but possible. I'm not sure why wolf!Spurs would put a vote on packmate Wasp early D2. However it is possible that this is distancing. I don't think I'm looking here today but if Spurs is still around in a few day cycles we may need to readdress this.
 
spurs/kitz/wasp: unlikely but possible. I'm not sure why wolf!Spurs would put a vote on packmate Wasp early D2. However it is possible that this is distancing. I don't think I'm looking here today but if Spurs is still around in a few day cycles we may need to readdress this.
Spurs voted for Wasp early d2??

Damn we really do have identical positioning this game :laugh:

Except I didn't vote for SAR
 
clem/kitz/wasp: very possible. Clem and Wasp like didn't even mention each other until D2. And even then there's nothing there except wasp saying clem seems vaguely sus and clem being...clem
 
Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem () -
Santy (5) - Clem 13, SAR 26, rae 33, Zenge 50, kitz
moon (2) - fruit 28
fruit (1) - genny 20
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -
beans (2) - Dubz 68,
Dubz (1) - toberto 33
Wasp (1) - samac 81
SAR (4) - Santy 70, Spurs, moon, Wasp
kitz (2) - Kcalb 39, beans 38

15/17
Santy is in the lead!
yeet close in ~28 minutes
@fruitsalad this was the vote count at the time (edited with a couple of votes after AM posted). kitz was in significant danger I think.

Toby's post could even be interpreted there as the push that made Santy more open to yeeting kitz
 
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Sigh.

How about yeet @The Wasp

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Dubz (1) - Mrs Queequeg 26
SAR () -
genny () -
Zenge () -
Clem (3) - Santy 38, SAR 14, Zenge 58
Wasp (4)
- fruit 13, samac 53, Dubz 42, Spurs
Santy (1) - Clem 36
rae () -

9/15
Leading: @The Wasp
yeet closed in ~18.5h hours

Ope I'm running low on posts it seems

Yeet The Wasp

We can go back to the Zenge situation after I cool off (express bussing on eod yesyes)

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Dubz (1) - Mrs Queequeg 26
SAR () -
genny () -
Zenge () -
Clem (3) - Santy 38, SAR 14, Zenge 58
Wasp (5)
- fruit 13, samac 53, Dubz 42, Spurs, Kcalb
Santy (1) - Clem 36
rae () -

10/15
Leading: @The Wasp
yeet closed in ~18.5h hours

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Dubz (1) - Mrs Queequeg 26
SAR () -
genny () -
Zenge () -
Clem (3) - Santy 38, SAR 14, Zenge 61
Wasp (5) - fruit 13, samac 53, Dubz 57, Spurs 62, kcalb 17
Santy (1) - Clem 36
rae () -

10/15
yeet closed in ~18.5 hours
spurs accelerating the waspy wagon seems unlikely to be a wolf move
 
zenge/kitz/wasp - not a possibility in my eyes. we all know that zenge doesn't bus
 
@fruitsalad this was the vote count at the time (edited with a couple of votes after AM posted). kitz was in significant danger I think.

Toby's post could even be interpreted there as the push that made Santy more open to yeeting kitz
kitz had 2 votes vs SAR 4 and Santy 5, and Santy's claim very strongly pushed for a SAR preference over kitz

not sure i'd say toby's post was the motivating factor for santy's openness to kitz yeet

because remember moons voted kitz to save santy then swapped to SAR

then moons saw me swapping to kitz and asked why not SAR, which i replied kitz was pingy (though SAR was problematic to me as well)

which santy followed up 7 min later by voting kitz

toby meanwhile entertained the kitz vote but didn't vote there until santy insisted voting kitz twice

it looks like toby following santy's lead to vote kitz than santy being motivated by toby's post
 
dubz/kitz/wasp - with the caveat that I have not played with wolf!dubz and I don't know how she treats her packmates, this doesn't feel likely. I don't see why wolf!dubz would throw wasp under the bus D2
 
yeah agreed

i unvoted over santy's argument which sounded compelling. that was a mistake :sorry:
It's not the first time he has convinced me to unvote a wolf being town which I find hillarious anksksns
genny - compatibility is possible but waspy breaking the tie in favor of genny end of day 2 is unusual, so on edge of POE
This bothers me a lot /? The way wasp was against genny, which I don't find as a good play if you are already down a wolf and selling another one wouldnt clear her. Which is kinda why I see genny a little bit better

On other news I remember wasp saying mrs quee is more tryhard when wolf or was it the other way around? Ill check

Im willing to consider spurs as wolf, but I preffer to find the other one first

Mostly cuz if it's him I might cry
 
It's not the first time he has convinced me to unvote a wolf being town which I find hillarious anksksns

This bothers me a lot /? The way wasp was against genny, which I don't find as a good play if you are already down a wolf and selling another one wouldnt clear her. Which is kinda why I see genny a little bit better

On other news I remember wasp saying mrs quee is more tryhard when wolf or was it the other way around? Ill check

Im willing to consider spurs as wolf, but I preffer to find the other one first

Mostly cuz if it's him I might cry
yeah i think genny is village the way waspy handled her end of day

i think spurs accelerating waspy wagon to danger territory makes him less likely to be a wolf
 
kitz had 2 votes vs SAR 4 and Santy 5, and Santy's claim very strongly pushed for a SAR preference over kitz

not sure i'd say toby's post was the motivating factor for santy's openness to kitz yeet

because remember moons voted kitz to save santy then swapped to SAR

then moons saw me swapping to kitz and asked why not SAR, which i replied kitz was pingy (though SAR was problematic to me as well)

which santy followed up 7 min later by voting kitz

toby meanwhile entertained the kitz vote but didn't vote there until santy insisted voting kitz twice

it looks like toby following santy's lead to vote kitz than santy being motivated by toby's post
What are we trying to figure out here? If toby instigated the kitz yeet or not?
 
kitz had 2 votes vs SAR 4 and Santy 5, and Santy's claim very strongly pushed for a SAR preference over kitz

not sure i'd say toby's post was the motivating factor for santy's openness to kitz yeet

because remember moons voted kitz to save santy then swapped to SAR

then moons saw me swapping to kitz and asked why not SAR, which i replied kitz was pingy (though SAR was problematic to me as well)

which santy followed up 7 min later by voting kitz

toby meanwhile entertained the kitz vote but didn't vote there until santy insisted voting kitz twice

it looks like toby following santy's lead to vote kitz than santy being motivated by toby's post
I think it's semantics. The actual vote in the tally that I quoted was Santy 4/kitz 3/beans and moons both 2. kitz moved vote with the sus-looking post 3 minutes later. Toby calls the post sus 5 minutes after that.

It would need to be a very quick-thinking wolf to realize their packmate isn't in much danger, and I think it's obvious that the votes were very fluid at the time.

In real time, it would be a very, very risky post unless you're open to outright bussing your packmate.
 
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Night 2

Wheels whispered against the pavement of Evergreen Terrace. A board slapped down cleanly, caught steady under practiced sneakers. Laughter followed, bright and uncomplicated, the kind that made porch lights flick on just to listen. Windows were open tonight.

“He’s a good kid,” someone said from behind a screen door, fond and certain. “Keeps things lively.”
A porch swing creaked in agreement.

The streetlight hummed its familiar tune, a low electric lullaby that had watched over scraped knees and summer races for years. It had seen chalk drawings bloom and wash away. It had seen him grow.

He whizzed down the slope, not reckless, just fast enough to feel the wind press against his shirt. A slingshot rested forgotten in his pocket, harmless as a souvenir. His name had been called for dinner an hour ago; he’d promised “five more minutes!” in that way that always meant ten.

Across the street, a shadow lingered longer than it should have.
Not a neighbor.
Not family.
Just a shape where no shape belonged.

The wheels found their rhythm.
The night seemed to lean closer, listening.

The board hit the pavement after a small hop. He grinned at no one and everyone, basking in the comfortable certainty that the world, for all its oddities, would still be there at the bottom of the hill.

The streetlight flickered.

Once.
Twice.

The shadow detached itself from the hedge, soundless.
Its rider nowhere to be seen, the board shot forward, clattering against a mailbox before tipping onto its side. One wheel spun, ticking faintly in protest.

The streetlight steadied, casting its pale glow over empty pavement.

From the porch, someone called his name again, lightly at first, then louder, as though volume alone could rewind the last few seconds.

The hedge stood still.
The shadow was gone.

By morning, Evergreen Terrace would speak in hushed voices. They would say he was careful. They would say he was loved. Privately, some would wonder why now was his time.

For now, the only answer was the quiet.

The wheel slowed.
Stopped.
And the hum of the streetlight carried on as though nothing had changed at all.

Dead is...
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@Santygrass, Bart Simpson, and a
town voyeur
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Ink pressed into paper, careful and deliberate.

She liked to think she was sturdy. Balanced. Logical. Each line placed with intention, each curve cupped just so. Consonants standing tall and dignified, vowels nestled close like children clinging to a mother’s sleeve. She had been designed that way, assembled piece by piece, symmetrical and scientific.

But some said she was too deliberate.

The brush hesitated.

“Why does she look like that?” someone murmured.

“She’s hiding something,” another replied. “Look at the angles. Too precise. No one writes that cleanly unless they’re compensating.”

The paper shifted beneath her. A chilly draft slipped under the door and ruffled the stack. She felt the whisper of it along her margins.

She had heard the suspicions before.
Too modern.
Too political.
Too carefully constructed.

“She replaced what was there,” a voice said from somewhere near the inkwell. “Things don’t just replace things without consequence.”

A consonant formed, upright and resolute.

The whisper of a brushstroke.

A vowel joined it, obedient and close.

They stood together on the page, a small syllable. Complete. Unassuming.

And yet the glances continued.

“They say she was invented,” someone said softly, as if the word itself were an accusation.

Invented.
As though that made her less real.

The brush pressed harder this time. The fibers of the paper strained. Ink pooled too dark. A tiny fissure spread outward, thin as a hair.

“She doesn’t belong,” another voice insisted. “There are places that were never meant for her.”

The page trembled.

A draft again. Or perhaps, a hand.

The brush stopped mid-motion.

There was a sharp crack, followed by nothingness.

No more strokes.
No more careful angles.
No more vowels gathering themselves neatly beneath watchful consonants.

The paper lay still.

In the quiet that followed, a few faint marks remained - half-formed, smudged at the edges, as though uncertain whether they had ever truly been there at all.

Someone cleared their throat.

“Well,” they said, brushing stray fibers from the desk. “I suppose that settles it.”

But long after the room had emptied, if one leaned close enough to the abandoned page, they might swear they could still see the ghost of her geometry in the grain - lines too intentional to be accidental, curves too balanced to be coincidence, waiting for another hand brave enough to risk suspicion and begin again.

Dead is...
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@The Wasp, Hangul, and a
mafia role cop
N2 flavor updated because I ain't no quitter 😤
 
What are we trying to figure out here? If toby instigated the kitz yeet or not?
If toby's post is distancing or (potentially) unpairing.

I don't think it's unpairing, but it's enough to make me want Clem first. For now, I think.
 
rae/kitz/wasp - very possible. Wasp never mentions rae and all rae says about wasp is that she's fluffy
 
Why? The way D1 ended resulted in a LOT of people looking village-y, and I'm not sure that anything has happened that changes that.

SAR, while a regrettable miss, didn't necessarily clear anyone with her death that I can think of.

Santy was one of the most obvious NK targets

Wasp was one of the obvious POE

I feel really good about a POE of Clem, genny, dubZ... maybe QQ or rae. But I don't see any particular reason to look beyond those.

I can't clear myself, so if people want to try that on we've got 24 hours. But there are a lot of strong village reads on the board.
Finding the wolf admist our towncores I think is something that should only be considered later in the game. In other cases is just unecessary paranoia


clems, raes, queeqs, spurs is where i'm at now
Spurs only for the kitz switch?

Well, the only reason Spurs still has me in there is because he's paranoid about me always, so just combatting one meta with another. I'm not being treated fairly for my actual behavior in this game because of my oh so scary wolfing meta.
That's why meta reads *sparkles* are a pain and.I hate them 😀
 
In real time, it would be a very, very risky post unless you're open to outright bussing your packmate.
Anybody aware of Toby's general wolfing proclivities in this regard?
 
If toby's post is distancing or (potentially) unpairing.

I don't think it's unpairing, but it's enough to make me want Clem first. For now, I think.
Ok but consider:
Gonna be spicy and saying actually have the opposite take and this pushes kitz more village to me. Not because she's voting with me but I'd expect a disengaged wolf to be given a more convincing argument or to just self pres without trying any justification
Here's village SAR reading kitz's post in a more positive light than toby did. so maybe toby found kitz's post sketchier than the rest of the players did because toby had inside info that kitz was a wolf.

i see how that post could be unpairing, but i also see a way that it's not.
 
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I did look over the toby/kitz/wasp interactions and I can't decide how I feel about them. I don't think i want to prioritize toby over clem/QQ/rae for today when all three of them are so easily paired with kitz and wasp. However if those three start flipping village we should come back to toby (and potentially spurs and dubz too, to a lesser extent)
 
kitz wasn't in danger when toby attacked them like that
I don't think it impacted that much in her wagon

Here's what I'm thinking

We yeet Clem

If Clem's village, we yeet Spurs for being wrong hmmyes
You are funny I like u

I do think in general SDN players are very un-familiar with deepwolfing strategies.

It’s few and far between that we’ve have to contend with legitimate deep wolves.

So players SDN isn’t as familiar with should be given more of a look, despite voting for wolves, given we don’t know their history
I associate deepwolfing with using your packmates to get yourself on a better position/gain cred. Otherwise is not even worth it. And I don't think Toby gained any cred with either of the kitz/Wasp deaths. So as someone said they might be just regular wolfing
 
I did look over the toby/kitz/wasp interactions and I can't decide how I feel about them. I don't think i want to prioritize toby over clem/QQ/rae for today when all three of them are so easily paired with kitz and wasp. However if those three start flipping village we should come back to toby (and potentially spurs and dubz too, to a lesser extent)
Ill follow you till the end of time
 
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You are funny I like u
Every time you say nice things to me I imagine it is the cute kitty in your avatar saying it and I squeal a little on the inside
 
I have a statistically significant correct read on Dubz game over game, year over year.
Next time I catch you wolfing I want a zenge reading card laminated
(I’m glad I don’t play with you wolfing it makes it much easier for me to just claim I’m super good :heckyeah: )
 
I have a statistically significant correct read on Dubz game over game, year over year.
But not a godread because no one has that on me :banana:
 
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