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Aprilthearab said:
Yeah, it's uncommon over here but if mods are gonna use it I don't think it's a big deal that they use two variations twice in the game. Also not uncommon for there to be two similar/identical roles given to the same aff. The mods love doing that just to stop people from assuming that roles are AI, and in the case of two roles to the same affiliation, that two identical roles need to be balanced across wolves/village. Mods love to jazz things up to keep people from role association solving
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See: the harry potter game where literally everyone was a goddamn blocker

Remembered vividly because EVERYONE USED THEIR BLOCKS ON ME N1, and I was ALSO A BLOCKER
 
Animal Midwife said:
I was wrong about what Nate said, but my definition of tourist is correct. I did heavy research for that game.
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Right, because there can only be one possible use for a role name across the vast mafia playing world
 
Clem J said:
Right, because there can only be one possible use for a role name across the vast mafia playing world
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If that wasn't the case, you wouldn't have said he was "functionally a fruit vendor."
 
to be clear my issue is not with the claim itself

my instincts say no reason to do so unprompted but in my travels have encountered the type of player who relies on "fancy plays" to get read as villa rather than faking deductions


has been an hour since the claim and no thoughts on the game from nate
 
Empire said:
they are functionally the same role but could exist as duplicates if the mod feels like messing with people to subvert expectations. no comment from me on whether or not i think that is likely
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There was a game here (can’t remember who in this game played it) where basically every role was a fruit vendor. Not these mods but the frequency of mods doing things for the lulz on SDN is…. High.
 
NateTheLesser said:
Confusion? My POE yesterday just kind of shrank as the day went on.

As of right now I think Jay/April/PSV/Empire/Clem are town, you/Santy/True/Sporty are neutrals. Those are roughly in order left to right.
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So you're looking at Santy/True/Sporty?
 
i'm sure nate is working on a reply but i am tired and am headed to sleep for the night so no immediate reply from me
 
NateTheLesser said:
A post was tickling my brain and I think I found it. I'm wondering what this perception of what town!me should look like comes from, since our other game together you knew my alignment at rand.
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I spectated you in champs too. And seeing you play from the mafia perspective still provides a view of your town game. It would be difficult to describe specific characteristics, as I am still formulating my overall concept of what "NateTheLesser, Mafia player" is. As Day 1 was reaching the last stages though, I thought you were starting to take on a general mindset and solving attitude that looked familiar to me.

Frankly I don't think I should have been so movable on my read of you, but I would attribute that to the broader trend of turbulence I was experiencing.
 
Okay. Fruit vendor.

My immediate concern: this role strikes me as harmful. As in, it's not a "power" role. It's a crippled role. It serves no purpose other than to obfuscate town's other roles, should they exist (e.g., tracker, watcher). I am getting an impression from the crowd that this is not a sort of role that is known to occur around here. Why would this be in the game? It's not unheard of, and perhaps in some cultures it's even ordinary. If it's not ordinary here, where did it come from?

@NateTheLesser is there some kind of time-related flavor to your role that you're able to share? Please be mindful of the rules, don't reveal anything that would represent a breach.
 
Santygrass said:
*Rips off Banana Suit*


I am the Fruit Vendor . April should know that there is one, or at least, waver on it cuz I acted on them last night. So I am kinda like, ¿?¿?¿?
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okay then 🤷‍♂️
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
Okay. Fruit vendor.

My immediate concern: this role strikes me as harmful. As in, it's not a "power" role. It's a crippled role. It serves no purpose other than to obfuscate town's other roles, should they exist (e.g., tracker, watcher). I am getting an impression from the crowd that this is not a sort of role that is known to occur around here. Why would this be in the game? It's not unheard of, and perhaps in some cultures it's even ordinary. If it's not ordinary here, where did it come from?

@NateTheLesser is there some kind of time-related flavor to your role that you're able to share? Please be mindful of the rules, don't reveal anything that would represent a breach.
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Town have -ev roles sometimes that part isn't particularly hard to believe lol
 
Well I'm caught up. That only confused me more. Mechanics.
 
Clem J said:
Town have -ev roles sometimes that part isn't particularly hard to believe lol
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If Santy is also a vendor-thing then that ought to increase the probability that Nate's claim is true (just given the timeline of the claims)? I'm tired and you're mechanics boy, so please tell me if you think this is wrong.
 
To ensure I am sorted here:

Known: samac died on Night 1
~ samac had an ability that could result in her own death
~ nobody else died, so if samac activated that ability it'd still imply that the mafia targeted her with a kill too (otherwise we have multiple deaths)
~ Nate claims to have targeted samac with a tourist thing

Does anyone have a reason to protest the second tilde remark there? It's my interpretation of samac's role.
 
SportPonies said:
I feel like there has to be an SDN native as a wolf. Samac just feels like an odd N1 for one of the newbies, idk.

But who is it
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This brought me back to samac's final takes:
samac said:
I feel good about JJJ, AM for some reason, and sporty.
I wanted to feel good about PSV but I’m not so sure. I’m not going to have time to look at my Nate theory this morning, I’ll do it in the cycle if I live.
Clem didn’t feel wolfy going down, but hopefully with whatever night ability he has he did something village-y.
I feel entirely null on Nate.
Empire’s later work yesterday was better than his earlier work.
And I’m trying to decide if I just like santy and that makes me want to village read him or if he’s actually village-y.
Not great on true, but I think reading tone in stranger things vs Assassination is worth the time.
I also feel that april village bloc’d too early, espicially with the single non moving vote she should get some scrutiny today.
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I bolded the material that relates to SDN natives (if I have everyone's origins correct). PSV, True, and April may be appropriate, and within that group general POE can still apply. Now it isn't necessarily true that the samac kill must implicate an SDN player (samac was a reasonably consensus town read), but I think the connection is still viable enough to think about.

I also colored one line in this post blue that kind of makes me think samac didn't activate her ability and die on purpose?
 
As of right now, I tend to believe Clem is right --> Nate is the "right" elimination. I will continue thinking about it tomorrow when I am not exhausted.

Otherwise, I don't think my view of the game has moved a whole lot. A few unrelated notes:

~ I don't really follow what PSV is doing anymore, and I don't think I town read them.
~ AM and Sporty seem town.
~ Santy's claim, in the wake of Nate's, might be the towniest thing present to this point in Day 2.
~ I thought April handled Santy's gripes well.

Bear with me tomorrow. I will be applying to like eight jobs and might hate every minute of it. I'll try to play the game, but it won't be as much as Day 1. Priorities or something.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
Okay. Fruit vendor.

My immediate concern: this role strikes me as harmful. As in, it's not a "power" role. It's a crippled role. It serves no purpose other than to obfuscate town's other roles, should they exist (e.g., tracker, watcher). I am getting an impression from the crowd that this is not a sort of role that is known to occur around here. Why would this be in the game? It's not unheard of, and perhaps in some cultures it's even ordinary. If it's not ordinary here, where did it come from?

@NateTheLesser is there some kind of time-related flavor to your role that you're able to share? Please be mindful of the rules, don't reveal anything that would represent a breach.
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Flavor wise I'm the TARDIS.

I've run setups where roles like this were used in fun ways, but it's hard to say what the helpful/harmful balance is until the setup is known.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
As of right now, I tend to believe Clem is right --> Nate is the "right" elimination. I will continue thinking about it tomorrow when I am not exhausted.

Otherwise, I don't think my view of the game has moved a whole lot. A few unrelated notes:

~ I don't really follow what PSV is doing anymore, and I don't think I town read them.
~ AM and Sporty seem town.
~ Santy's claim, in the wake of Nate's, might be the towniest thing present to this point in Day 2.
~ I thought April handled Santy's gripes well.

Bear with me tomorrow. I will be applying to like eight jobs and might hate every minute of it. I'll try to play the game, but it won't be as much as Day 1. Priorities or something.
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Why is Sporty town?
 
Not totally happy with the ordering of my reads list, but I'm mostly just struggling to figure out a worldview that makes sense. I'm pretty accustomed to being in the hot seat, but usually I have a better idea of where to push instead. Need to sleep on it.

My game state read coming into the day was that if True is a wolf I'd expect to be pushed hard, and if we're both town I'd expect a more "stick with the POE" agenda (I guess this could also apply to Clem since he was also a major wagon). And it feels more like the first than the second. With the major caveat that True himself hasn't been pushing me at all. Pieces don't fit.
 
Aprilthearab said:
Yeah, it's uncommon over here but if mods are gonna use it I don't think it's a big deal that they use two variations twice in the game. Also not uncommon for there to be two similar/identical roles given to the same aff. The mods love doing that just to stop people from assuming that roles are AI, and in the case of two roles to the same affiliation, that two identical roles need to be balanced across wolves/village. Mods love to jazz things up to keep people from role association solving
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I agree with this and will second it. These mods in particular like to mess with people who try to metagame too hard.
 
NateTheLesser said:
Not totally happy with the ordering of my reads list, but I'm mostly just struggling to figure out a worldview that makes sense. I'm pretty accustomed to being in the hot seat, but usually I have a better idea of where to push instead. Need to sleep on it.

My game state read coming into the day was that if True is a wolf I'd expect to be pushed hard, and if we're both town I'd expect a more "stick with the POE" agenda (I guess this could also apply to Clem since he was also a major wagon). And it feels more like the first than the second. With the major caveat that True himself hasn't been pushing me at all. Pieces don't fit.
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Well, I mostly haven't been pushing you very hard because I'm not convinced that you're a wolf. If I had to decide in this moment, I'm still leaning towards you not being one.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
If Santy is also a vendor-thing then that ought to increase the probability that Nate's claim is true (just given the timeline of the claims)? I'm tired and you're mechanics boy, so please tell me if you think this is wrong.
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Ehhhh

I don't think it really changes it too much tbh, not without host meta
 
NateTheLesser said:
Confusion? My POE yesterday just kind of shrank as the day went on.

As of right now I think Jay/April/PSV/Empire/Clem are town, you/Santy/True/Sporty are neutrals. Those are roughly in order left to right.
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GTH, who would you vote right now?
JaggedJimmyJay said:
I don't really follow what PSV is doing anymore
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Neither do I. Skill issue
 
SportPonies said:
I feel like there has to be an SDN native as a wolf. Samac just feels like an odd N1 for one of the newbies, idk.

But who is it
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I'm thinking I/we should take another look at April today.

JaggedJimmyJay said:
This brought me back to samac's final takes:

I bolded the material that relates to SDN natives (if I have everyone's origins correct). PSV, True, and April may be appropriate, and within that group general POE can still apply. Now it isn't necessarily true that the samac kill must implicate an SDN player (samac was a reasonably consensus town read), but I think the connection is still viable enough to think about.

I also colored one line in this post blue that kind of makes me think samac didn't activate her ability and die on purpose?
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I laid out my reasoning on this several pages back, but Samac almost certainly did not activate her ability. I believe that more strongly than I believe any of my other reads this game. She did not die due to her ability.
 
I don't know what to do with Nate or Santy's claims so... I guess I'll process that as time goes on.
However is no one willing to consider Santy counter claimed to try and get Nate yoten and is not town? I'm unclear on why Santy is still being village read without further scrutiny.
I mean, I greatly enjoyed the banana back and forth but still trying to be critical.
 
NKA is dodgy, but if an SDN native is in the wolfpack, then:
-I don't think True would have killed samac N1. He's generally a chivalrous wolf and probably was being candid with disappointment she was N1'd again.
-I don't think the NK choice leans Sporty either way
-Not really a reason for AM to NK samac given they were mutually TRing iirc, but I guess I could see it if other packmates were in danger
-samac was digging into April some but I don't recall her overall conclusion. April is still a possibility.
-For the sake of completeness the samac NK is a bad look for me due to her CYing me and wolfreading me, but I know I didn't do it so obviously not yeeting myself.
 
I think... Hmm. Logically, paranoia aside, of the SDNers I should probably go April? But also I've been village reading her.
oof probably time to reread everyone individually and try to pull out relevant info.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
This brought me back to samac's final takes:

I bolded the material that relates to SDN natives (if I have everyone's origins correct). PSV, True, and April may be appropriate, and within that group general POE can still apply. Now it isn't necessarily true that the samac kill must implicate an SDN player (samac was a reasonably consensus town read), but I think the connection is still viable enough to think about.

I also colored one line in this post blue that kind of makes me think samac didn't activate her ability and die on purpose?
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I need to reread her role flip but maybe she wasn’t the night target after all?
 
Day 2: What Time Is It? PARTY TIME! Vote Tally

JJJ (1) - PSV
Empire (1) - April
PSV (1) - AM
Nate (4) - JJJ, Clem, Santy, Empire

7/10
Winning: @NateTheLesser
Missing: @NateTheLesser @SportPonies @Truenamer
Deadline: 10pm EDT/9pm CDT/8pm MDT/7pm fantasyland TODAY (~12.5 hours)

highschoolmusical-whattime.gif
 
SportPonies said:
What
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Truenamer said:
If the only death was Samac's and her ability actually worked like a doctor, that would mean that she

1. Decided to give up her life for someone else.
2. Correctly predicted the NK or her ability worked on anywho who got NK'd? But... that feels outlandish.
3. Decided to not tell us or give us a hint before she did it.

All put together, it's just silly. Samac was the NK target and we should move forward, unless anyone wants to come forward and explain why she wasn't.
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