Time To Get a WWatch - Game Thread

[Animal Midwife]

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you don’t want to know how many pages of this game I haven’t read so I’ll be content with being a porch skeleton.

What made you decide to skip rather than catch up?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Voting off wagon onto someone who's widely village read feels messy to me.

Who's village reading her again?

 

[Truenamer]

Who's village reading her again?

I don't have exact tally in my head, but I feel like April has been near the top of a bunch of people's village-reads since yesterday. I can try and check after this meeting.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I don't have exact tally in my head, but I feel like April has been near the top of a bunch of people's village-reads since yesterday. I can try and check after this meeting.

I'm one of them, I just haven't been getting the impression that it was a popular take.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Who should it be?

Still not sure. Still voting for you atm.

 

[Zenge142]

Mod Clarification: Contrary to earlier discussion and speculation, the rules are all accurate for the game currently being played. I have however updated the flavor a little to reflect the current setting.​

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Still not sure. Still voting for you atm.

You've questioned the gamestate a few times and essentially provided that as a justification to vote for me. Very well.

Why am I the vote in particular instead of some other player? How do you attribute your concerns about the game to me?

 

[SportPonies]

What made you decide to skip rather than catch up?

Told myself I’d catch up yesterday and fell asleep on the couch instead.

Might still try today but hasn’t happened yet. Motivation low.

 

[SportPonies]

Idk samac just sounds like a bodyguard or something to me

 

[Santygrass]

The spreadsheet elf has brought you all a night gift.

Day 1 Vote History:
- Each row is a vote, in chronological order top to bottom
- On the right side, you can see what the resulting vote count was after each vote

Each player's vote history:

Lazy signal boost while I look at stuff when I shouldnt

 

[SportPonies]

I felt like she was really leaning heavy on the “if I survive” thing, more than usual.

 

[NateTheLesser]

he doesn't feel like i expect a villager on the chopping block to behave - normally when a villager is going down they'll have all sort of ideas and theories they're throwing out, they'll swing wildly, they'll accuse someone. i don't get that sense from nate right now.

You're absolutely correct. Normally when I'm in the hot seat I have a better idea of who would be a better chop than me. But this game state's weird, I feel like there are an unusually high number of players that I would have firmly in my POE except for one really towny thing.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Just FYI I have roughly the next 4 hours to be in the thread and then after that I'll likely be gone for the rest of the time (I'm babysitting my nieces, and the younger one gets very cross if I stop paying attention to her to look at my phone. Maybe if I get them distracted with a movie or something 😆)

 

[Santygrass]

Nate Votecount Progression

Bolded for when the vote makes Nate a lead wagon or tie (except at the start) . Italics when its a unvote

Empire > 1
JJJ > 2
AM > 3
Empire > 2
JJJ > 1
Santy > 2
JJJ > 3
Empire > 4
True > 5
True > 4
JJJ > 3
Empire > 2
Santy > 1
Santy > 2
Santy > 1



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[NateTheLesser]

Looks like I've got about a page to catch up on from last time I was here.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Santy's doing VCA, I'm excited to see what that's about.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You're absolutely correct. Normally when I'm in the hot seat I have a better idea of who would be a better chop than me. But this game state's weird, I feel like there are an unusually high number of players that I would have firmly in my POE except for one really towny thing.

It'd be super if you could just quickly summarize that one towny thing you see for each player.

 

[NateTheLesser]

If I am the host I probably go with 9 vs. 3 and offset the town disadvantage with very strong roles.

Well so far we've got two flavors of fruit vendor (if Santy's indeed town), one vanilla, and a self-sacrificing role. So I sincerely hope that we have some actual power roles in here somewhere.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

N1 Results

Place holder until I can properly write this up later today.

Dead is

Spoiler

Samac, who was

Spoiler

Henry Hamilton - Village - Time Donator who could donate her time to extend the life of other players living or dead, past their own expiration date, at the expense of her own life.

It is now Day 2. Vote closes at 9:00pm Central Friday 9/30.​

Bringing this role back for ease of reference

 

[Santygrass]

Santy's doing VCA, I'm excited to see what that's about.

Wanted to see if there was some unpairing by VCA , but other than AM I think that everyone could be? Like JJJ viotes where key to make your wagon grow, but also the principal reason of why the wagon moved off of you so wowee.

Its interesting that all the new people have voted you, and from the regulars only AM and True, and True wasnt there much time or was much relevant to begin with .

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[Santygrass]

Nate what is your opinion on April?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yeah I don't know. That's a vague role description. My first thought was also bodyguard, @SportPonies , but I don't know what to do with that. Some details are inscrutable: other players (more than one? maybe just refers to a single target each night); living or dead (extend their lives even if they're dead, what); past their expiration date (so... dead?)

To have any chance of making sense of the mechanics of this situation, it seems pivotal to know what this role is, and I absolutely don't know what this role is.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Exercise for the room:

If you were to pretend for a moment that mechanics and claims don't exist whatsoever, what do your reads look like right now?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Wanted to see if there was some unpairing by VCA , but other than AM I think that everyone could be? Like JJJ viotes where key to make your wagon grow, but also the principal reason of why the wagon moved off of you so wowee.

Its interesting that all the new people have voted you, and from the regulars only AM and True, and True wasnt there much time or was much relevant to begin with .

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Why is that interesting?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Exercise for the room:

If you were to pretend for a moment that mechanics and claims don't exist whatsoever, what do your reads look like right now?

Same as I mentioned yesterday.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wanted to see if there was some unpairing by VCA , but other than AM I think that everyone could be? Like JJJ viotes where key to make your wagon grow, but also the principal reason of why the wagon moved off of you so wowee.

Its interesting that all the new people have voted you, and from the regulars only AM and True, and True wasnt there much time or was much relevant to begin with .

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I think there are numerous bad teammate fits with Nate outside the context of votes (AM, Empire, yourself, and Clem come to mind immediately).

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I suppose I should just ask the most basic question regarding mechanics:

Does anyone feel like they understand samac's role?

 

[Santygrass]

I think there are numerous bad teammate fits with Nate outside the context of votes (AM, Empire, yourself, and Clem come to mind immediately).

AM I agree, can see Clem too. Empire would need a closer look imo. Specially if we think that a team of 3 could be on the board

 

[Santygrass]

I suppose I should just ask the most basic question regarding mechanics:

Does anyone feel like they understand samac's role?

No, but they are dead. And if they died because of it I agree with True that they would have softed it somewhat, so Im not worrying to much about that? Like, whats the point?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

No, but they are dead. And if they died because of it I agree with True that they would have softed it somewhat, so Im not worrying to much about that? Like, whats the point?

To make sense of Nate, I think it's implied that we need to make sense of samac. We can't know whether samac activated that role, but my trouble is I don't even know what activate that role actually means.

e.g., if samac is a bodyguard, then samac didn't have to be the night 1 kill at all (she could have just taken a bullet for whoever was the target). If samac is a passively-activated role, then she was absolutely the night kill regardless of whether she activated or not -- if I understand the mechanics appropriately.

 

[NateTheLesser]

It'd be super if you could just quickly summarize that one towny thing you see for each player.

Sure, the players I would classify as "would be POE if not for [x]":

Clem - I'm not sure he's done a single thing to advance the town win condition..? (If you're a wolf maybe, but he hasn't substantiated that at all). But, I town read his reaction to being wagoned yesterday. I think he'd fake claim and enjoy the chaos as a wolf, especially with cover roles that could be used.

True - I've talked about him plenty elsewhere, but I still think most of his day yesterday was classically wolfy (being worried about how his reads would be perceived, shifting them around after pushback, focus on mech instead of really solving). But, his approach to me and especially backing off of me under pressure keeps him out of POE.

Santy - I think he towntold in response to my claim stuff, after mulling on it more. I just don't think it's a wolfy thought to claim what he did when he did. If not for that I think he'd be POE (maybe not hard sus, but somewhere to push).

Empire - His pushes have felt the most wolfy/agenda'ed to me. This one's weaker, not sure I can totally put a finger on it but he'd be POE. But, he gave me a pretty quick townread after the initial claim at SOD, and I think in general wolves would be reluctant to do that. He's walked it back since then but I think the initial reaction is readable if not a lock by any means.

Those are the slots that have that sort of "duality" for me, and 4 out of 10 seems like a lot.

 

[Santygrass]

Why is that interesting?

Team building if they flip W tbh. Cuz those are also the same that are kinda saying that their claim was villagery? Or that they put more content later which is weird

 

[NateTheLesser]

I suppose I should just ask the most basic question regarding mechanics:

Does anyone feel like they understand samac's role?

No, but from the wording I really don't think it was activated. I think she was just killed without activating her role.

 

[Santygrass]

To make sense of Nate, I think it's implied that we need to make sense of samac. We can't know whether samac activated that role, but my trouble is I don't even know what activate that role actually means.

e.g., if samac is a bodyguard, then samac didn't have to be the night 1 kill at all (she could have just taken a bullet for whoever was the target). If samac is a passively-activated role, then she was absolutely the night kill regardless of whether she activated or not -- if I understand the mechanics appropriately.

The result is the same I think , doesnt matter if Scum killed there or not. Samac died and Nate acted there apparently. So they would be in like, an almost similar situation even if samac wasnt the nk target?

 

[NateTheLesser]

Nate what is your opinion on April?

I think they're one of my most comfortable town reads at the moment. They've seemed stuck on Empire POE wise, but seem to be taking a broader look at the game as well.

No way they're w/w with Empire, no way they're w/w with you, as far as unpairings.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The result is the same I think , doesnt matter if Scum killed there or not. Samac died and Nate acted there apparently. So they would be in like, an almost similar situation even if samac wasnt the nk target?

If samac wasn't the night kill, then we have no reason to care that Nate visited her.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I decide samac's role is bodyguard-like, then I might also decide by extension that Nate is town. I still think he looks like town right now and wouldn't be voting him without a glaring mechanical reason staring me in the face.

 

[Santygrass]

Exercise for the room:

If you were to pretend for a moment that mechanics and claims don't exist whatsoever, what do your reads look like right now?

I think my biggest shift in reads is related to April, but tbh i think it was more a 'Reassess slap' that was prompted by that tbfh

 

[Santygrass]

If I decide samac's role is bodyguard-like, then I might also decide by extension that Nate is town. I still think he looks like town right now and wouldn't be voting him without a glaring mechanical reason staring me in the face.

I disagree

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If Nate is town, then some other pieces could slide into place if I allowed myself to be optimistic. Empire's progression on Nate would become suspicious. April and Empire don't fit together. Clem also harbors or harbored some unstated suspicion of Empire that I would take into consideration.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I disagree

Explain, because I don't get it.

Why is Nate's visit to samac meaningful if samac was not killed by the mafia team?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I mistook the post Santy was quoting there. Anyway, explain that disagreement.

 

[NateTheLesser]

So why is my vote on Sporty. I'm not totally seeing the towniness that others have mentioned there? She's seemed very surface-level when she's been around. I admit I was townreading her catch-up near EOD yesterday, but that's also easy to do (and an easy thing to do to "look busy" if no wolves were in danger). Her strongest take has seemed to be the PSV townread which is based on not seeing a secret wolf tell, which is an all-timer for "easiest town read to fake" because it doesn't require pointing at actual content. (And.... I haven't gotten the sense that she's been caught up at any point, so I'm not sure why she'd be confident that PSV hasn't done whatever this wolf tell is..?)

I'd appreciate thoughts there.

 

[Santygrass]

The fact that they spent half a day phase to claim so underwhemingly its like a huge red sign either way.

If mafia didnt nk Samac, they were worried either way cuz it would DEFINETELY look like Nate nightkilled them if someone saw Nate acting on them

 

[Animal Midwife]

Team building if they flip W tbh. Cuz those are also the same that are kinda saying that their claim was villagery? Or that they put more content later which is weird

I'm still bothered by them not pursuing Nate yesterday, but I feel like they could have gotten ahead of the claim (or just not said anything at all) if the goal was to bus Nate from the start.

 

[Santygrass]

So why is my vote on Sporty. I'm not totally seeing the towniness that others have mentioned there? She's seemed very surface-level when she's been around. I admit I was townreading her catch-up near EOD yesterday, but that's also easy to do (and an easy thing to do to "look busy" if no wolves were in danger). Her strongest take has seemed to be the PSV townread which is based on not seeing a secret wolf tell, which is an all-timer for "easiest town read to fake" because it doesn't require pointing at actual content. (And.... I haven't gotten the sense that she's been caught up at any point, so I'm not sure why she'd be confident that PSV hasn't done whatever this wolf tell is..?)

I'd appreciate thoughts there.

Samac thoughts on the slot, they were giving a fairly confident tr there. That + the EoD seemed like they didnt have a partner at risk for sure (Unless its True, and if it is the timing of that defense still is super weird) .

I think they are Rand>V tbh

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@NateTheLesser please tell me how you feel about the way players have responded to your claims today. You're still the top wagon comfortably. People clearly aren't buying it.

 

[SportPonies]

So why is my vote on Sporty. I'm not totally seeing the towniness that others have mentioned there? She's seemed very surface-level when she's been around. I admit I was townreading her catch-up near EOD yesterday, but that's also easy to do (and an easy thing to do to "look busy" if no wolves were in danger). Her strongest take has seemed to be the PSV townread which is based on not seeing a secret wolf tell, which is an all-timer for "easiest town read to fake" because it doesn't require pointing at actual content. (And.... I haven't gotten the sense that she's been caught up at any point, so I'm not sure why she'd be confident that PSV hasn't done whatever this wolf tell is..?)

I'd appreciate thoughts there.

I have ISO’d PSV multiple times looking for her tell. Doesn’t require reading the thread chronologically

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The fact that they spent half a day phase to claim so underwhemingly its like a huge red sign either way.

If mafia didnt nk Samac, they were worried either way cuz it would DEFINETELY look like Nate nightkilled them if someone saw Nate acting on them

Fair points.

 

[SportPonies]

I guess I’ll make some chai and actually put forth an effort to decide on a vote.