U. of Maryland or Einstein

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Where would you rather go?

  • U. of Maryland

    Votes: 33 48.5%
  • Einstein

    Votes: 35 51.5%

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Hey,

I have been fortunate in this cycle to be accepted at two medical schools. I was wondering what people thought about this choice.

For me, Maryland has good research and the price is better. I don't really like the A/B/C/D/F grading system. A lot of people in P/F schools have been saying that P/F is preferable.

Einstein had a really good match this year and is in New York (kind of). The living arrangements are also great.

Neither of these schools had revisit, so its tough to say where I would be more comfortable.

Any opinions would be great!
 
To those who voted: what makes one stand out over the other?
 
I don't know much about maryland, but I did visit einstein, and I thought it was fabulous school. you are leaving 30 mins from nyc for 400 dollars a month!!! also, their student body seemed so chill and friendly, it really made an impression on me. They have a great hosiptal system and good cirriculum, the only negative thing i thought was the jewish affiliation, I have never been a fan of organized religions, but it seems to be kept on the DL for the most part.
 
I don't know much about maryland, but I did visit einstein, and I thought it was fabulous school. you are leaving 30 mins from nyc for 400 dollars a month!!! also, their student body seemed so chill and friendly, it really made an impression on me. They have a great hosiptal system and good cirriculum, the only negative thing i thought was the jewish affiliation, I have never been a fan of organized religions, but it seems to be kept on the DL for the most part.

I didn't interview at UMD (but I have friends that go there as well those who applied and interviewed there this cycle). I did interview at Einstein.

Personally, I disliked Einstein. I thought the students were awesome and chill, but I found the hospital (and generally...all the facilities) to be run-down, I wasn't really impressed by the clinical faculty that I met, and given the enormous inconvenience of getting into Manhattan and the general boringness of the area of the Bronx it was located in, I personally just couldn't imagine myself living there. Baltimore is a far inferior city to NYC, but UMD is actually downtown, near all the good parts of the city. You have Hopkins to do easy away rotations at, plus the opportunity to eventually try and get in-state residency and cheaper tuition.

Personally, I just would avoid Einstein...but I admit this is probably based mainly upon a single's day impression of the school. It is higher ranked than UMD if such things are important to you.
 
Einstein is more well-known for research, especially in the basic sciences. You can do "away" rotations at NYP, MSKCC, HSS, Sinai, etc.

Morris Park in the Bronx >>> any place in Baltimore you can afford to live as a student.
 
I agree, I couldn't stand Einstein either, withdrew at the end of the interview day. It just felt like you were going to school in a war zone with all the security checkpoints and fences and everything looked like it was built in the 50s. At least they had decent food though.

I didn't interview at UMD (but I have friends that go there as well those who applied and interviewed there this cycle). I did interview at Einstein.

Personally, I disliked Einstein. I thought the students were awesome and chill, but I found the hospital (and generally...all the facilities) to be run-down, I wasn't really impressed by the clinical faculty that I met, and given the enormous inconvenience of getting into Manhattan and the general boringness of the area of the Bronx it was located in, I personally just couldn't imagine myself living there. Baltimore is a far inferior city to NYC, but UMD is actually downtown, near all the good parts of the city. You have Hopkins to do easy away rotations at, plus the opportunity to eventually try and get in-state residency and cheaper tuition.

Personally, I just would avoid Einstein...but I admit this is probably based mainly upon a single's day impression of the school. It is higher ranked than UMD if such things are important to you.
 
Einstein is more well-known for research, especially in the basic sciences.

Does anyone know how research at UMD is? When we toured I was really impressed with their research facilities....

I agree, I couldn't stand Einstein either, withdrew at the end of the interview day. It just felt like you were going to school in a war zone with all the security checkpoints and fences and everything looked like it was built in the 50s. At least they had decent food though.

That's one of my big fears about going to Einstein. I didn't get a great vibe during my research day, and they don't have a revisit to take a second look...
 
Does anyone know how research at UMD is? When we toured I was really impressed with their research facilities....

Research at Maryland is actually really good, and they have very close ties with the National Institutes of Health because it's so close. Honestly, I've heard a lot more about Maryland's research prowess than Einstein's.
 
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Research at Maryland is actually really good, and they have very close ties with the National Institutes of Health because it's so close. Honestly, I've heard a lot more about Maryland's research prowess than Einstein's.

Ah, that's great to hear because I definitely want to continue with research in med school.
 
Ah, that's great to hear because I definitely want to continue with research in med school.

I am med student at maryland and love it. my grandfather taught at einstein for 40 years and told me never to go there, fwiw. Im shocked that some of you actually like the bronx.

Research is great at maryland. i was awarded a national scholarship for my work there this coming summer. there are literally 100's of labs and you can find a way to do any kind of work you want. I would not have dreamed i could literally find someone studying exactly the obscurity I wanted to continue my research in.
 
I agree, I couldn't stand Einstein either, withdrew at the end of the interview day. It just felt like you were going to school in a war zone with all the security checkpoints and fences and everything looked like it was built in the 50s. At least they had decent food though.

Really? I thought the food was even bad. The cafeteria looked like my elementary school cafeteria, which was built in the 1950s.
 
Really? I thought the food was even bad. The cafeteria looked like my elementary school cafeteria, which was built in the 1950s.

They had some pretty good corned beef, haha. Anyways I withdrew immediately after my interview even though it was my first one, lol
 
I don't know about Maryland, but Einstein had the worst office of admissions. They were rude and they lost my papers twice!
 
They are deff rude, but. AE has jumped up in the ranks this last year. Has been moving up in the ranks steadily from (recently) in the 50's. Pretty impressive.

How the hell can you rationalize not living outside NYC. Man that is just crazy. NYC = 😎 for a med student. Hell if that is shallow think again. The arts, the people, the food, the life. Just amazing. Imgaine what your Saturdays will be spent doing. (when not cramming.)

But that's just me.
 
They are deff rude, but. AE has jumped up in the ranks this last year. Has been moving up in the ranks steadily from (recently) in the 50's. Pretty impressive.

When I applied to med school in the 07-08 cycle, AECOM was ranked #38. They've moved up to......... 38.

How the hell can you rationalize not living outside NYC. Man that is just crazy. NYC = 😎 for a med student. Hell if that is shallow think again. The arts, the people, the food, the life. Just amazing. Imgaine what your Saturdays will be spent doing. (when not cramming.)

But that's just me.

Manhattan is a 45 min bus ride from AECOM, it's not exactly in Bryant Park...
 
cost alone makes maryland worht it. I interviewed at AECOM and hated it also. Its a horrid place to live and everything was just run down and unless you were super interested in global health, there didnt seem to be a lot there. You will save a huge amount going to MD so go there. Both schools are probably similar in the whole percieved prestige factor/rankings that pre meds care so much for. Its not like this is harvard vs umd both schools will give you the research and residency placements you want. Idk why anyone would actually want to go to aecom, i hated it but with a cheaper and equally good in state option, the choice should be simple.
 
When I applied to med school in the 07-08 cycle, AECOM was ranked #38. They've moved up to......... 38.



Manhattan is a 45 min bus ride from AECOM, it's not exactly in Bryant Park...

First off, I did think this admissions office at AECOM was nice when I was there. They seemed disorganized, but it really just a bunch of funny jewish women. I interviewed the 2nd day of interviews, so maybe it was an exception because they were less stressed then.

AECOM is higher ranked than Maryland, but not enough that it should make a difference. It is respected in research circles, and they do have a nice research building that was recently completed (it's the only nice building on campus). Although, I have to admit, my Stanford faculty interviewer went to AECOM and told me it was really hard for him to get into academic medicine because AECOM didn't have good research opportunities. He had to spend extra time in fellowship getting his basic research skills down.

And exactly agree on the location. This is a huge consideration. AECOM is NOT, I REPEAT, NOT in Manhattan. It's not even close to Manhattan. Students there told me the took the "express" bus into the city (45 minutes) on weekends...but I personally couldn't see myself doing that very often other than to escape the extreme depressive state that I'd be in from having to live in such a isolated and boring part of NYC without a car. Even living in Manhattan (Columbia or Sinai for instance)...it can take 30+ minutes on the subway to get to certain areas downtown...and that's coming from schools IN MANHATTAN...on a subway line.

I clearly have a strong bias, but AECOM was my horror medical school interview and I would have avoided going there at all costs, regardless of the rank of competing institutions. I almost considering just skipping the rest of the day after my faculty interview because I disliked it so much, but I thought it'd be rude.
 
Maryland. Easily.
 
Poor Einstein. But I agree, there's no reason to go to Einstein unless you have reasons to be in NY. Since Maryland is cheaper and the prestige is roughly equal, it makes it the better choice.

It's interesting that Einstein is always included in the "NYC schools" list with MSSM, Columbia, NYU and Cornell. It's so unbelievably far away. Actually, Downstate is much easier to get to than Einstein is.
 
First off, I did think this admissions office at AECOM was nice when I was there. They seemed disorganized, but it really just a bunch of funny jewish women. I interviewed the 2nd day of interviews, so maybe it was an exception because they were less stressed then.

AECOM is higher ranked than Maryland, but not enough that it should make a difference. It is respected in research circles, and they do have a nice research building that was recently completed (it's the only nice building on campus). Although, I have to admit, my Stanford faculty interviewer went to AECOM and told me it was really hard for him to get into academic medicine because AECOM didn't have good research opportunities. He had to spend extra time in fellowship getting his basic research skills down.

And exactly agree on the location. This is a huge consideration. AECOM is NOT, I REPEAT, NOT in Manhattan. It's not even close to Manhattan. Students there told me the took the "express" bus into the city (45 minutes) on weekends...but I personally couldn't see myself doing that very often other than to escape the extreme depressive state that I'd be in from having to live in such a isolated and boring part of NYC without a car. Even living in Manhattan (Columbia or Sinai for instance)...it can take 30+ minutes on the subway to get to certain areas downtown...and that's coming from schools IN MANHATTAN...on a subway line.

I clearly have a strong bias, but AECOM was my horror medical school interview and I would have avoided going there at all costs, regardless of the rank of competing institutions. I almost considering just skipping the rest of the day after my faculty interview because I disliked it so much, but I thought it'd be rude.

I have to admit, it really is funny reading all of MDEast's descriptions about Einstein. I mean the kid really hates the school. Maybe the interviewer brought out a flaw in him that just made him dislike it? I admit, some interviewers do change how you view a school. But to come to forums and post in every X vs Einstein thread about how much the you dislike a school, is really childish IMO. Seems like you are trying to convince yourself of something, but oh well.

My advice to the OP, research the schools and decide for yourself. I believe each person knows whether or not a school is for them once they visit. If you made this thread, the choice is clearly not so easy. So sit down, stop reading this thread and decide for yourself. The poll is not lying, the schools are looked upon equally. For what it is worth, I know a couple of doctors from Einstein that said it was the best decision they could have made. They are very highly regarded in NY across residencies and seem to have ample opportunities. Good luck in your decision!
 
I have to admit, it really is funny reading all of MDEast's descriptions about Einstein. I mean the kid really hates the school. Maybe the interviewer brought out a flaw in him that just made him dislike it? I admit, some interviewers do change how you view a school. But to come to forums and post in every X vs Einstein thread about how much the you dislike a school, is really childish IMO. Seems like you are trying to convince yourself of something, but oh well.

My advice to the OP, research the schools and decide for yourself. I believe each person knows whether or not a school is for them once they visit. If you made this thread, the choice is clearly not so easy. So sit down, stop reading this thread and decide for yourself. The poll is not lying, the schools are looked upon equally. For what it is worth, I know a couple of doctors from Einstein that said it was the best decision they could have made. They are very highly regarded in NY across residencies and seem to have ample opportunities. Good luck in your decision!

I don't see anything wrong with someone posting why they dislike the school. Most of these threads are silly to begin with (Maryland vs. Bronx? Can you get any different?) that in the end it will be a personal decision like you suggested. But the OP is asking for our own biased reasons why we would pick one school over the other, so don't call someone out on it.
 
I have to admit, it really is funny reading all of MDEast's descriptions about Einstein. I mean the kid really hates the school. Maybe the interviewer brought out a flaw in him that just made him dislike it? I admit, some interviewers do change how you view a school. But to come to forums and post in every X vs Einstein thread about how much the you dislike a school, is really childish IMO. Seems like you are trying to convince yourself of something, but oh well.

My advice to the OP, research the schools and decide for yourself. I believe each person knows whether or not a school is for them once they visit. If you made this thread, the choice is clearly not so easy. So sit down, stop reading this thread and decide for yourself. The poll is not lying, the schools are looked upon equally. For what it is worth, I know a couple of doctors from Einstein that said it was the best decision they could have made. They are very highly regarded in NY across residencies and seem to have ample opportunities. Good luck in your decision!

I think i've posted in two threads, but I think it's good to hear opinions of schools from people who interviewed there. I offer my opinions and experience, with the caveat, that yes I only spent a day at these places so take it with however much weight you want to. I had 12 interviews this process, and was accepted to 8 of those schools...so I consider myself a good, experienced applicant who has seen a full spectrum of schools and can comment about each intelligently.

I was pretty unimpressed with my Einstein interviewer, but more because she seemed completely disinterested that I enjoyed research or that I had spent time in clinics outside the US. I talked about actually getting to assist and observe on open heart surgery while in the UK (every day for an entire week, 4-5 hours a day). Her response: "Well that's in England, that's not American medicine." Her other replies to my enthusiasm were expressionless head-nods. But it really had nothing to do with that. I've had bad interviews at other places, but still realized the school itself was good. I've also had amazing interviews at other places, but still realized the school at large wasn't great.

I just was not impressed by Einstein overall. I did like all of the students I met there, and I did like that they seemed to really encourage global health issues and funded MPH programs if you wanted to consider that. I'm not heavily into either of those issues, so it didn't really affect me. I also thought the housing was good for the price. But again, it was still located in the Bronx really far from anything fun, which I didn't like.

They had a nice new research building. I was irked by the fact that med students weren't allowed to study in it...and the only students I knew of who seemed to be doing research were the MD/Phd students I talked to. You had to show a badge to get into the building, and if you were a med student, I was told you weren't allowed in. All those nice meeting rooms...with really old space on the rest of the med campus...and the med students (who are paying $60/70k/year to be there) aren't allowed to use it?. That just bothered me.

Many of the buildings on campus are vacant and abandoned. They tried to show us their new clinical simulation center (which was locked, but seemed new from the outside). However, for the simulation center, they had just renovated one floor of a large, unoccupied building where the rest still had no one working in it.

When I asked students about what there was fun to do in the Bronx, the first responses I literally got from two people were there was a good italian/pizza place near campus. I didn't even get the sense there were local bars for young people.

The older gentleman who gave us a tour of the campus/area also remarked that 1. "Einstein is the best medical school in the world." 2. "We receive the second highest NIH research funding of all US medical institutions". I was just shocked that he was trying to make these claims to an educated applicant pool.

Personally, I just found a lot of lower ranked schools that I felt were happier places than Einstein. Jeff, Temple come to mind of the places I interviewed. Maybe I value things that are different than other applicants (like location, things to do outside of medical school). But I just felt trapped when I was in the Bronx.
 
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First off, I did think this admissions office at AECOM was nice when I was there. They seemed disorganized, but it really just a bunch of funny jewish women. I interviewed the 2nd day of interviews, so maybe it was an exception because they were less stressed then.

AECOM is higher ranked than Maryland, but not enough that it should make a difference. It is respected in research circles, and they do have a nice research building that was recently completed (it's the only nice building on campus). Although, I have to admit, my Stanford faculty interviewer went to AECOM and told me it was really hard for him to get into academic medicine because AECOM didn't have good research opportunities. He had to spend extra time in fellowship getting his basic research skills down.

And exactly agree on the location. This is a huge consideration. AECOM is NOT, I REPEAT, NOT in Manhattan. It's not even close to Manhattan. Students there told me the took the "express" bus into the city (45 minutes) on weekends...but I personally couldn't see myself doing that very often other than to escape the extreme depressive state that I'd be in from having to live in such a isolated and boring part of NYC without a car. Even living in Manhattan (Columbia or Sinai for instance)...it can take 30+ minutes on the subway to get to certain areas downtown...and that's coming from schools IN MANHATTAN...on a subway line.

I clearly have a strong bias, but AECOM was my horror medical school interview and I would have avoided going there at all costs, regardless of the rank of competing institutions. I almost considering just skipping the rest of the day after my faculty interview because I disliked it so much, but I thought it'd be rude.


I actually agree with most of mdeast's comments. I had a pretty negative experience interviewing here. I stopped by campus the day before to check out the area since I had never been to the Bronx (though I lived in Manhattan for a while after college). I took a brisk 30 minute walk around the area and found absolutely nothing to do. It's gloomy and depressing and the streets were rather empty. I found one restaurant within walking distance of campus that was decent. Aside from that, there was the hospital cafeteria/ABP, etc. and a McDonald's.

I kept an open mind for my interview the next day but was still disappointed. I had this awkard surgeon for my interview who asked me inane questions and had a deadpan expression on her face the entire time(maybe i had the same interviewer as mdeast). The student housing was cheap and pretty decent, but I honestly could not imagine living in a tower comprised exclusively of med students and PhD candidates isolated in the Bronx. I think I would probably go insane.

I wanted to leave after my interview and the student tour (I had been there since 8:30am) but I signed up for the additional tour and thought it would be rude to cancel and leave. So I waited an extra 2 hours in the lounge by the elevator for the 4pm tour to start. Then I had the displeasure of meeting this bitter old man (admissions director?) and follow him around for about an hour and a half. I think he really resented the fact that he felt it necessary to give the tour to "prove" that AECOM is actually a good school and in a decent neighborhood.

I know I didn't touch on the positive qualities of AECOM, which there were, but my experience here was pretty dismal. I interviewed at close to a dozen places and AECOM was the only place the really left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
 
I actually agree with most of mdeast's comments. I had a pretty negative experience interviewing here. I stopped by campus the day before to check out the area since I had never been to the Bronx (though I lived in Manhattan for a while after college). I took a brisk 30 minute walk around the area and found absolutely nothing to do. It's gloomy and depressing and the streets were rather empty. I found one restaurant within walking distance of campus that was decent. Aside from that, there was the hospital cafeteria/ABP, etc. and a McDonald's.

I kept an open mind for my interview the next day but was still disappointed. I had this awkard surgeon for my interview who asked me inane questions and had a deadpan expression on her face the entire time(maybe i had the same interviewer as mdeast). The student housing was cheap and pretty decent, but I honestly could not imagine living in a tower comprised exclusively of med students and PhD candidates isolated in the Bronx. I think I would probably go insane.

I wanted to leave after my interview and the student tour (I had been there since 8:30am) but I signed up for the additional tour and thought it would be rude to cancel and leave. So I waited an extra 2 hours in the lounge by the elevator for the 4pm tour to start. Then I had the displeasure of meeting this bitter old man (admissions director?) and follow him around for about an hour and a half. I think he really resented the fact that he felt it necessary to give the tour to "prove" that AECOM is actually a good school and in a decent neighborhood.

I know I didn't touch on the positive qualities of AECOM, which there were, but my experience here was pretty dismal. I interviewed at close to a dozen places and AECOM was the only place the really left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

What kind of surgeon was she? I think I remember her being head of cardio-thoracic surgery. She just wouldn't smile.

But yes, I agree with everything. I didn't find the old tour guide bitter (he was generally a really funny guy), but he almost seemed argumentative on the tour....like we had said Einstein and the Bronx weren't great places, even though we were there interviewing for a spot in the class.

Sorry for hijacking this thread. But I hope you got some good insights about at least one school. I didn't interview at UMaryland, so no insights there except what people have told me.
 
Yup, that's the one. I felt like I was talking to a brick wall. It was really bizarre.

What kind of surgeon was she? I think I remember her being head of cardio-thoracic surgery. She just wouldn't smile.

But yes, I agree with everything. I didn't find the old tour guide bitter (he was generally a really funny guy), but he almost seemed argumentative on the tour....like we had said Einstein and the Bronx weren't great places, even though we were there interviewing for a spot in the class.

Sorry for hijacking this thread. But I hope you got some good insights about at least one school. I didn't interview at UMaryland, so no insights there except what people have told me.
 
Well, good to hear it wasn't just me.

Then there's the whole "incident" from last cycle where AE's director of multicultural affairs called an Islamic interviewee a terrorist... Did anything ever come of that?
 
Then there's the whole "incident" from last cycle where AE's director of multicultural affairs called an Islamic interviewee a terrorist... Did anything ever come of that?

Wait what?!? lol.
 
Einstein also had a problem a few years ago with a gay student.
 
Apparently AECOM also pissed off a former student:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FuOKk0HRIs[/YOUTUBE]
 
This surprises. I actually found the student body to be fairly diverse...and given that this is a Jewish affiliated institution, it's surprising that there would be that sort of intolerance. I think these are isolated incidents of individual members of the school rather than representative of the entire institution.

It's most likely due to a poorly managed administration rather than a school-wide cultural issue there.
 
Oh wow, this is all interesting stuff. I didn't even know about it. Thanks for all the insight on Einstein. I have known about UMD as a in-state resident and it is nice to find out more about AE.
 
Apparently AECOM also pissed off a former student:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FuOKk0HRIs[/YOUTUBE]

Haha, I stopped watching that when she said she was expelled from Einstein...which she didn't explain why. Of course someone expelled from her medical school is going to throw a fit.
 
Haha, I stopped watching that when she said she was expelled from Einstein...which she didn't explain why. Of course someone expelled from her medical school is going to throw a fit.

:laugh: Yeah - She has multiple videos about the issue and never once explained why she was expelled to begin with.
 
:laugh: Yeah - She has multiple videos about the issue and never once explained why she was expelled to begin with.

Exactly. Most medical schools will still charge you if you're expelled, quit, leave, etc. (even if you only show up a month of a school year). They have bills to pay too...and they're already losing your tuition for the following years without transfer students to replace you.

If you get expelled from a school...considering the enormous amount of investment that a medical school puts into you (teaching, training, etc.) and the enormous amount of support they need from you (tuition, etc.)...you have to do something pretty terrible to be expelled.
 
As a student at AECOM (don't ask me how i found this thread - mostly i was bored studying):
1) The P/F system is awesome - alleviates lots of pressure.
2) There is not much to do in the neighborhood. There is 1 local bar and many food places. It is quiet and even semi-nice (for the bronx).
3) Express bus right at the corner is 35 min - 1hr to midtown.
4) Car drive (no tolls) to midtown is 30 min. In short its close enough to get to manhattan if u want but far enough that it's not a constant distraction.
5) Awesome student body (very chilled - don't really know how it is at maryland)
6) Decent campus. Convenient, cheap housing. Bball, gym, pool right next to housing. There is a strong effort to have landscaping all year round. Constant actual construction and planning for campus improvement.
7) Einstein is known in all hospitals for its superb clinical training of its students. Evidenced by top-notch matching into top programs throughout the country.
8) Einstein has one of the largest hospital affiliation systems. Jacobi is a level 1 trauma center. CHAM. Beth Israel. LIJ... You will be exposed to diversity in both medicine and patients.

Addressing some issues:
1) The completed 220 mil dollar Price Research center enhances the campus look. However, med students have nothing to do with it - unless ur interested in research - in that case u may end up there or in any of the other countless buildings where research is performed. Einstein always has been and continues to build upon strong research.
2) Jewishness. Einstein is only "Jewish/religious" in 4 ways: 1) the name is AECOM of Yeshiva University (its parent institution). 2) All einstein events are Kosher (it actually does taste ok). 3) We get tons of vacation for all Jewish holidays. 4) the only detriment is that the gym is also closed on jewish holidays/sabbath (but they give us passes to local gyms instead)
Jews are a minority of the student body.
3) There will bad interviewers everywhere. Do not mistake that, or Einstein's general nice demeanor for incompetence. That would be a big mistake.
4) It does not feel like a prison at all. I also go running around the neighborhood. Pretty peaceful.

While Maryland is obviously much cheaper you (although u must take into account the money u prob will save on rent) u must also remember that its not all about that. 4 years of your life - u want them spent in a relaxed environment.
Make an educated decision - not based on haters who weren't good enough to get in. Just kidding. (but do know that many people lie on these threads just to enhance their self-esteem - nothing wrong - just be wary of taking everything at face value).
 
As a student at AECOM (don't ask me how i found this thread - mostly i was bored studying):

Thank you so much for this post! I am strongly leaning towards attending AE, and this thread has been a little disquieting. Plus, considering that this IS student doctor, who knows how many people posting negative things about Einstein are just trying to trick others into withdrawing so they can get in off the wait list? :idea:
 
As a student at AECOM (don't ask me how i found this thread - mostly i was bored studying):
1) The P/F system is awesome - alleviates lots of pressure.
2) There is not much to do in the neighborhood. There is 1 local bar and many food places. It is quiet and even semi-nice (for the bronx).
3) Express bus right at the corner is 35 min - 1hr to midtown.
4) Car drive (no tolls) to midtown is 30 min. In short its close enough to get to manhattan if u want but far enough that it's not a constant distraction.
5) Awesome student body (very chilled - don't really know how it is at maryland)
6) Decent campus. Convenient, cheap housing. Bball, gym, pool right next to housing. There is a strong effort to have landscaping all year round. Constant actual construction and planning for campus improvement.
7) Einstein is known in all hospitals for its superb clinical training of its students. Evidenced by top-notch matching into top programs throughout the country.
8) Einstein has one of the largest hospital affiliation systems. Jacobi is a level 1 trauma center. CHAM. Beth Israel. LIJ... You will be exposed to diversity in both medicine and patients.

Addressing some issues:
1) The completed 220 mil dollar Price Research center enhances the campus look. However, med students have nothing to do with it - unless ur interested in research - in that case u may end up there or in any of the other countless buildings where research is performed. Einstein always has been and continues to build upon strong research.
2) Jewishness. Einstein is only "Jewish/religious" in 4 ways: 1) the name is AECOM of Yeshiva University (its parent institution). 2) All einstein events are Kosher (it actually does taste ok). 3) We get tons of vacation for all Jewish holidays. 4) the only detriment is that the gym is also closed on jewish holidays/sabbath (but they give us passes to local gyms instead)
Jews are a minority of the student body.
3) There will bad interviewers everywhere. Do not mistake that, or Einstein's general nice demeanor for incompetence. That would be a big mistake.
4) It does not feel like a prison at all. I also go running around the neighborhood. Pretty peaceful.

While Maryland is obviously much cheaper you (although u must take into account the money u prob will save on rent) u must also remember that its not all about that. 4 years of your life - u want them spent in a relaxed environment.
Make an educated decision - not based on haters who weren't good enough to get in. Just kidding. (but do know that many people lie on these threads just to enhance their self-esteem - nothing wrong - just be wary of taking everything at face value).

Thanks for the post, I was waiting for a current student to chime in! I did have a very negative experience on interview day, but I do agree with you on the positive aspects of Einstein. I will say that I still attest that U.Maryland is a better area. Personally for me, the neighborhood I live in everyday (the areas that I can walk to or drive to in short distances) is very important. The Bronx isn't fun... there really isn't much to do there. This might be less important to others than it is for me...but I need consistent outlets close-by to just relax with people outside of academia and medicine who I can relate to in someway. You don't really find this in the Bronx, you do find it in Manhattan and in downtown Baltimore. I'd assume you'd agree with me on that.

To me a 35 min to 1 hour bus ride...or even a 30 minute drive...means a "planned trip" to get anywhere fun. This is just personally not the everyday life I could live as a med student (especially knowledgeable of how busy I will be and the necessity of spontaneity and "quick breaks"), which is why I had major gripes about the area it's located in. I'd be OK with this if Manhattan were a weekend stop, and there were other things to keep me entertained during the week in the Bronx. I don't think Einstein is a terrible place, but given things that are really important to me...I would have been really unhappy there if I chose to attend.

To each his own, and I'm glad you're happy there.
 
Thank you so much for this post! I am strongly leaning towards attending AE, and this thread has been a little disquieting. Plus, considering that this IS student doctor, who knows how many people posting negative things about Einstein are just trying to trick others into withdrawing so they can get in off the wait list? :idea:

haha same
also deciding between UMD and Einstein, leaning towards Einstein
 
Thank you so much for this post! I am strongly leaning towards attending AE, and this thread has been a little disquieting. Plus, considering that this IS student doctor, who knows how many people posting negative things about Einstein are just trying to trick others into withdrawing so they can get in off the wait list? :idea:

I actually believe that Einstein is a good, well-respected school in NY and the students are smart and do well come match time. I am impressed by their clinical training, although this is more because I am impressed by the training at Montefiore in general. I just find it funny that Einstein touts being in NYC and while this is technically true, it's misleading. The Bronx is the worst borough in NYC, and while Einstein is in a nicer part of the Bronx, it is completely isolated as a result. I've made the trip to Einstein and back to Manhattan many times and it is not a fun trip. Even though the Einstein student said driving into Manhattan is quicker, very few people would want to drive into Manhattan. Baltimore is a pretty bad city too (although I'm not exactly sure where UMaryland is located), but the Bronx is worse.
 
Thanks for the post, I was waiting for a current student to chime in! I did have a very negative experience on interview day, but I do agree with you on the positive aspects of Einstein. I will say that I still attest that U.Maryland is a better area. Personally for me, the neighborhood I live in everyday (the areas that I can walk to or drive to in short distances) is very important. The Bronx isn't fun... there really isn't much to do there. This might be less important to others than it is for me...but I need consistent outlets close-by to just relax with people outside of academia and medicine who I can relate to in someway. You don't really find this in the Bronx, you do find it in Manhattan and in downtown Baltimore. I'd assume you'd agree with me on that.

To me a 35 min to 1 hour bus ride...or even a 30 minute drive...means a "planned trip" to get anywhere fun. This is just personally not the everyday life I could live as a med student (especially knowledgeable of how busy I will be and the necessity of spontaneity and "quick breaks"), which is why I had major gripes about the area it's located in. I'd be OK with this if Manhattan were a weekend stop, and there were other things to keep me entertained during the week in the Bronx. I don't think Einstein is a terrible place, but given things that are really important to me...I would have been really unhappy there if I chose to attend.

To each his own, and I'm glad you're happy there.

Yup, I agree 100% - if ur the type of student that needs a bustling city right outside the school then Einstein is not the place for you. I'm happy you're making an educated decision on where you wish to attend - taking in all factors.
That being said there are 2 benefits to einstein that other schools mioght not have: 1) There is a gym, pool, bball, racketball all right outside housing. 2) Most (but many do not) students live on campus - as such, it is a short hop to your friends apartments to chill out.
You should also realize that there is alot less free time in med school than in college.
 
Yup, I agree 100% - if ur the type of student that needs a bustling city right outside the school then Einstein is not the place for you. I'm happy you're making an educated decision on where you wish to attend - taking in all factors.
That being said there are 2 benefits to einstein that other schools mioght not have: 1) There is a gym, pool, bball, racketball all right outside housing. 2) Most (but many do not) students live on campus - as such, it is a short hop to your friends apartments to chill out.
You should also realize that there is alot less free time in med school than in college.

This is something UMD has that impressed me. All of their facilities look brand new including gym, library, research buildings, etc. In terms of area, UMD is located in a pretty good area directly downtown near the baseball stadium. If you live too far from campus, however, things start getting a little sketchy.
 
The interviewer in question was an associate dean for diversity! That's not just a random interviewer. The stuff I've heard from current students is that most people have a good time during m1-2 years, but everything changes m3/4, I've heard students weren't allowed any flexibility for residency interviews, and that the m3/4 years in general were significantly less flexible/oppressive than other schools <shrug> I have heard nothing but good things about umd, I have had two family members go there who both ended up at Hopkins for residency.
 
I've never really posted much on this site, but I remember having the same dilemma (and much unnecessary stress) about two years ago between my state institution and Einstein. I'm at Einstein now and have never regretted it (well, maybe a little when I have a few exams to study for). Granted, I have no idea what my experience would have been at any other medical school, but I wanted to give my opinion so far- I can't speak about 3/4 yr personally, but I have seen my two other roommates get through it without too many complaints. This won't be as organized as my fellow Einstein predecessor, but I hope it helps.

I'm currently a second-year now, but Einstein fits well for me. Yes, it is the Bronx and not Manhattan, but you will see there is enough to do around the area after you live here. Many here would agree that food options in the immediate area could be better, but there is definitely enough stuff to eat (more than enough options if you have a car on campus. even if you don't, you'll be fine too, I use my car about once a week to either get groceries or eat, but a little more often post-exam). The gym is small, but totally sufficient to get a workout in (I came from a large public university with a state of the art gym and was worried, but I realized, it was really mainly for looks and I only need weights, a bike/elliptical, and a few machines). And also, I like our whole living situation. Our apartments are cheap (i pay $370/month with two roommates, i think its $450 for a two bedroom), fairly large, repaired/fixed free of charge, no gas or electricity to pay, across the street from class, and really nice compared to other places I have lived. I also like the fact that your friends (classmates) all live nearby so its not hard to meetup at night to have food together, watch a movie, have a beer, go play basketball/racquetball/ping pong, etc. The Bronx is not dangerous and scary like some would have you believe...I remember reading a similar comment when I was applying and seriously thinking it was unsafe, but I laugh at even the idea of it now. Last but not least, I think our class here at Einstein is awesome in every sense of the word. People help each other out, and generally, everyone is really nice. I got that vibe when I interviewed here and wondered, maybe this is just a front from just the kids who like the school, but I really think the majority of people at Einstein are happy being here.

Yes, there are minor problems that I gripe about all the time, but nothing major to make me think really negatively about this school. Manhattan is an express bus or subway ride away, but honestly, I don't think I have enough time or a big enough wallet to be in Manhattan all of the time. Personally (I know many of my classmates would disagree), I don't think I would be able to handle living in Manhattan. Yeah, it would be awesome on the weekends when you are free, but not when you need to study (there are just too many things to do and eat down there!). Seeing how I am in class 5 days of the week and trying to study most of those days, it would not make sense for me to be in a place where I wouldn't be able to concentrate.

I think when you are applying, you want to get the best situation and weigh all of the pros and cons, but you have to realize, you will be busy in medical school (shocker, right?). Don't nitpick too much about the small things, because in the end, they won't matter that much. Make your decision based upon your most important requirements. I think you should choose a place where you will be comfortable (based upon your needs), can go to class, study, and enjoy your free time.

Ok, there is so much more I want to say, but I have to get back to studying...

In any case, whatever decision you make, I'm sure it will be the right one for you.
 
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