2008-2009 Vermont Secondary Application Thread

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Thank you! I hope that you all hear some good news soon :xf:!!!
 
Hi,

Do med schools report MCAT and GPA scores of students accepted off the waitlist?

Thanks!
 
chocolateMD said:
Hi,

Do med schools report MCAT and GPA scores of students accepted off the waitlist?

Thanks!
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Not separately, but I think they're included in the "accepted" averages. (I.e. accepted = outright accepts + accepted from WL)
 
I know that the status page website says that these won't help your chances but has anyone tried and gotten a reply?
 
is anyone else eagerly anticipating 4/20 (*not* for that reason). didn't patrick say that would be the day last batch decisions are posted?
 
What is a batch decision? Does that affect those who are waitlisted?
 
well i was under the impression the adcom meets roughly once per month. this would be the last time they meet before 5/15. so it seems they would discuss everyone who interviewed from mid march through april 20th. im not sure about the wait list...
 
I got an out of area waitlist this morning. I interviewed early April.
 
With the April applicants discussed, I would imagine the waitlist is what it is… so on to acceptances? From what I understand there are at least 30 confirmed enrollments, most from the upper east and about half of them from Vermont/Maine.

Best case right now sounds like 75ish spots remaining, some of which will still go to VT students.

So um... *taps fingers on the desk*
 
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bombas238 said:
With the April applicants discussed, I would imagine the waitlist is what it is… so on to acceptances? From what I understand there are at least 30 confirmed enrollments, most from the upper east and about half of them from Vermont/Maine.

Best case right now sounds like 75ish spots remaining, some of which will still go to VT students.

So um... *taps fingers on the desk*
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Where did you get this figure? Isn't it an AAMC rule that as of 3/31, the school has to have admitted as many students as there are seats?
 
Actually I didn't know about that rule at all.

I just saw the uvm com group on facebook for the corresponding class haha. I realize that may not have anything to do with it but it looked like the previous class pretty much got all their members in it.

I should have added a note that I could be spectacularly wrong.

So now I shrug. I really should stop looking so much into this.
 
The aamc rule is that by 5/15 the school must have admitted at least as many students as there are seats...

I'm willing to bet the class is already full, as it is at most other med schools this late in the cycle

:-(
 
I did a little snooping around the AAMC site this morning to try and get to the bottom of this 3/31 business. Check out the website below. Basically, a school must have sent as many acceptances as they have seats by 3/31.

A lot of those acceptances go to people who also have eight billion other acceptances, which is where the date 5/15 comes in. By 5/15, applicants must decide on a single acceptance, therefore giving up their seats at other schools. It'd be nice if everyone gave up their seats at places they knew they weren't going to earlier than the middle of May, but hey, that's another story. So that's why a lot of waitlist movement happens around this date, not because there's a specific mandate on the schools that says they should accept some more people from the waitlist.

Anyway, that's my understanding. I hope this clarifies rather than confuses. 🙂

http://www.aamc.org/students/applying/policies/admissionofficers.htm
 
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got in off the OOS waitlist last week!! So it's still moving... Good luck all.
 
raraxavis said:
I did a little snooping around the AAMC site this morning to try and get to the bottom of this 3/31 business. Check out the website below. Basically, a school must have sent as many acceptances as they have seats by 3/31.

A lot of those acceptances go to people who also have eight billion other acceptances, which is where the date 5/15 comes in. By 5/15, applicants must decide on a single acceptance, therefore giving up their seats at other schools. It'd be nice if everyone gave up their seats at places they knew they weren't going to earlier than the middle of May, but hey, that's another story. So that's why a lot of waitlist movement happens around this date, not because there's a specific mandate on the schools that says they should accept some more people from the waitlist.

Anyway, that's my understanding. I hope this clarifies rather than confuses. 🙂

http://www.aamc.org/students/applying/policies/admissionofficers.htm
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I think you are right. The thread below called "The Ides of March" discusses important dates in the application process. From what I have read, 3/15 is the date that schools must have given out as many acceptances as there are seats, and 5/15 is the date by which students must withdraw from all but 1 medical school.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=7755885

Sorry for the confusion 🙂
 
econdr said:
I think you are right. The thread below called "The Ides of March" discusses important dates in the application process. From what I have read, 3/15 is the date that schools must have given out as many acceptances as there are seats
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I don't think this is necessarily cut and dried, though. If you follow the link that raraxavis posted, you'll see that accepting a full class by March 30th is an AAMC recommendation, not a rule, and apparently some schools choose not to follow it. I can't find the post again, but I remember reading in a thread concerning MCW that they don't follow it.

In the case of Vermont, I'd actually be surprised if the class was already full. We already know that they waitlist pretty much all OOS students, and although those people obviously don't all post on SDN, it does seem from the pace of activity here that there have been only a modest number of OOS acceptances so far. But the school's enrollment is 76% OOS, so they must be planning to issue a decent number of OOS admission offers after interview season is done. (According to USNews, in '07 they made 162 OOS admission offers, of which 72 enrolled.)
 
Withdrew.

Hope somebody here gets my spot.
 
student1799 said:
... it does seem from the pace of activity here that there have been only a modest number of OOS acceptances so far. But the school's enrollment is 76% OOS, so they must be planning to issue a decent number of OOS admission offers after interview season is done. (According to USNews, in '07 they made 162 OOS admission offers, of which 72 enrolled.)
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I hope so, student. These last few weeks of waiting will be excruciating...
:bang::bang:
 
Hahahaha. I was JUST about to post that same icon with similar sentiments in the waitlist thread. Too funny. ...might as well post it here.

:bang:
 
student1799 said:
I don't think this is necessarily cut and dried, though. If you follow the link that raraxavis posted, you'll see that accepting a full class by March 30th is an AAMC recommendation, not a rule, and apparently some schools choose not to follow it. I can't find the post again, but I remember reading in a thread concerning MCW that they don't follow it.

In the case of Vermont, I'd actually be surprised if the class was already full. We already know that they waitlist pretty much all OOS students, and although those people obviously don't all post on SDN, it does seem from the pace of activity here that there have been only a modest number of OOS acceptances so far. But the school's enrollment is 76% OOS, so they must be planning to issue a decent number of OOS admission offers after interview season is done. (According to USNews, in '07 they made 162 OOS admission offers, of which 72 enrolled.)
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How do you "know" this? Based on SDN? I think the percentage of med school applicants who post on SDN is quite low - there may be many times more lurkers - but to derive statistical inference of admissions stats for an individual school from the postings on SDN seems pretty meaningless.

I find it almost impossible to believe that any med school has not issued enough acceptances to cover each seat in the class on at least a 1:1 ratio by the prescribed date (everything I have read on this matter indicates it is a rule, not merely a guideline).

Good luck.
 
student1799 said:
Because the admissions director said so at my interview.
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Is it "waitlist without any decision on or offer to any OOS applicant until after interview season" or is it "outright accept or waitlist all OOS applicants (i.e., no outright rejections)?"

Because I can believe the latter (no outright rejections), but what I doubt is that they have not done much about accepting OOS applicants at this late date - hard to believe they fill the majority of OOS slots after May 15 - that would be a much more useful question to ask.

Does the pctg of OOS matriculants vary much year to year? Perhaps they only fill OOS slots after they have exhausted the instate pool? At most state schools I have looked at, the OOS pctg is fairly fixed each year, but maybe Vermont approaches it totally differently.
 
flip26 said:
Is it "waitlist without any decision on or offer to any OOS applicant until after interview season" or is it "outright accept or waitlist all OOS applicants (i.e., no outright rejections)?"

Because I can believe the latter (no outright rejections), but what I doubt is that they have not done much about accepting OOS applicants at this late date - hard to believe they fill the majority of OOS slots after May 15 - that would be a much more useful question to ask.

Does the pctg of OOS matriculants vary much year to year? Perhaps they only fill OOS slots after they have exhausted the instate pool? At most state schools I have looked at, the OOS pctg is fairly fixed each year, but maybe Vermont approaches it totally differently.
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Student1799 is right. Vermont has a strange system for OOS applicants. UVM will reject them outright, but very rarely (I actually don't know of anyone personally) do they accept them without waitlisting first. I've even known people to be waitlisted then accepted less than a week later. They also draw from their waitlist during the entire interview season, well before most schools even consider it. I think it probably has to do with rules about in-state vs OOS applicants.
 
iheartsnow said:
Student1799 is right. Vermont has a strange system for OOS applicants. UVM will reject them outright, but very rarely (I actually don't know of anyone personally) do they accept them without waitlisting first. I've even known people to be waitlisted then accepted less than a week later. They also draw from their waitlist during the entire interview season, well before most schools even consider it. I think it probably has to do with rules about in-state vs OOS applicants.
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Well that system makes sense as you describe it - that everyone is waitlisted, but that spots are filled throughout the cycle.

Maybe I misunderstood the other poster - I thought they were construing that the bulk of the offers to OOS students have not yet been made - and I find that hard to believe. Sure, they will be filling up remaining seats before and after May 15 as people withdraw, just like every other med school, but it would be crazy for them to not be filling the class with OOS applicants during the cycle, too.

If I misunderstood the point, or what I thought the conclusion was, excuse my mistake, please. I plan to apply to Vermont next year, and I am trying to figure it all out just like you guys sitting on this year's waitlist.

Good luck to all.
 
flip26 said:
I plan to apply to Vermont next year, and I am trying to figure it all out just like you guys sitting on this year's waitlist.
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Then you're in the dark with the rest of us. The problem is that UVM seems to be following a different pattern this year than they have in the past, and no one knows why. That's why most of this year's UVM thread consists of people speculating about what's going on.

In past years, UVM did things exactly as iheartsnow described: all OOS applicants were WL'd for at least a short time before being accepted, but (judging by the posts on this thread) there was a pretty steady flow of OOSers coming off the WL during interview season. This year, though, there have been very few posts about OOSers getting admitted. (Hence my remark to that effect.) There are only 2 ppossible explanations for this: either a much smaller % of acceptees are posting (unclear why this would happen), or UVM is taking OOSers off the WL at a much slower rate. If #2 is true, this would imply that they still have room to accept a lot more OOS students. But the fact is that nobody really understands what's going on, and UVM hasn't really shed any light on the situation. (I have called them a couple of times to reiterate my interest in the school, and they didn't answer my question when I asked if they'd changed the way they handle OOS admissions.)

P.S. If you're here to learn from others (as we all are), it would behoove you to adopt a less confrontational tone.
 
student1799 said:
...it would behoove you to adopt a less confrontational tone.
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As i understand it, members of the admissions committees often visit their school forums on sdn to see what's in the rumor mill and what questions / comments people have about their school. I would be polite just because, if they can tell who you are based on your mdapps or username or anything else, and they dont like your tone, it certainly won't help your application. (pardon the awful sentence structure:smack:)

During my interview day at another school the director of admissions mentioned SDN forums by name and talked about some of the nonsensical crap he reads on here... (That was the day i took down my mdapps link)
 
student1799 said:
Then you're in the dark with the rest of us. The problem is that UVM seems to be following a different pattern this year than they have in the past, and no one knows why. That's why most of this year's UVM thread consists of people speculating about what's going on.

In past years, UVM did things exactly as iheartsnow described: all OOS applicants were WL'd for at least a short time before being accepted, but (judging by the posts on this thread) there was a pretty steady flow of OOSers coming off the WL during interview season. This year, though, there have been very few posts about OOSers getting admitted. (Hence my remark to that effect.) There are only 2 ppossible explanations for this: either a much smaller % of acceptees are posting (unclear why this would happen), or UVM is taking OOSers off the WL at a much slower rate. If #2 is true, this would imply that they still have room to accept a lot more OOS students. But the fact is that nobody really understands what's going on, and UVM hasn't really shed any light on the situation. (I have called them a couple of times to reiterate my interest in the school, and they didn't answer my question when I asked if they'd changed the way they handle OOS admissions.)

P.S. If you're here to learn from others (as we all are), it would behoove you to adopt a less confrontational tone.
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So you are basing your judgment (that this year is different and there should be a wave of OOS admits unlike past years) by comparing the reports from last year on SDN for OOS waitlist admits, and as I said before, I don't think there is enough of a sample of OOS waitlisters for Vermont on SDN (or many other schools for that matter) to conclude a trend or a shift that you are suggesting.

I am curious: what percentage of the OOS waitlisters to Vermont post on SDN? What would be a sufficient sample on SDN for you to conclude that Vermont has totally shifted their way of handling OOS applicants this year? Let me help: they had over 550 non resident interviewees last year, presumably all of them on the waitlist...I am counting a handful OOSers on this thread asking these waitlist questions...I don't see how anybody can conclude a major policy shift based on this extremely small sample, but maybe that is just me.

It would behoove you to grow thicker skin - my post was not confrontational - but I sensed you took umbrage, and I apologized, but you know what? Never mind...and good luck.
 
flip26 said:
So you are basing your judgment (that this year is different and there should be a wave of OOS admits unlike past years) by comparing the reports from last year on SDN for OOS waitlist admits, and as I said before, I don't think there is enough of a sample of OOS waitlisters for Vermont on SDN (or many other schools for that matter) to conclude a trend or a shift that you are suggesting.

I am curious: what percentage of the OOS waitlisters to Vermont post on SDN? What would be a sufficient sample on SDN for you to conclude that Vermont has totally shifted their way of handling OOS applicants this year? Let me help: they had over 550 non resident interviewees last year, presumably all of them on the waitlist...I am counting a handful OOSers on this thread asking these waitlist questions...I don't see how anybody can conclude a major policy shift based on this extremely small sample, but maybe that is just me.

It would behoove you to grow thicker skin - my post was not confrontational - but I sensed you took umbrage, and I apologized, but you know what? Never mind...and good luck.
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I really like this thread, so I'm going to take a moment to make sure it stays moderately enjoyable.

You do have an extremely confrontational tone, and moderators do pick up on this kind of thing if it becomes a problem. Everyone here is anxious about what's going on, and the purpose of this thread is to ask questions about and discuss what you think (or just theorize) is going on. Clearly you can make the argument that people need to back up what they say; but I for one prefer a thread in which people feel safe to just wonder aloud, or make an observation to one that contains no false data (and no mutual feelings of fear/support).

Econ makes a good point - while student1799 probably does have thick skin and isn't very interested in your opinion of him or her, medical school admissions committees are clever, and you can only stand to benefit from sounding like the kind of person they feel would work well in their student body, and would eventually make a good physician.

So, it's totally reasonable to ask how someone knows something - but no need to be mean. We're all just trying to make it through this thing alive and give each other a little support along the way.

Commence UVM thread being fun again 🙂
 
Come on yall we're all hoping to be classmates next year...

Good luck everyone, the next few weeks will be the most stressful / eventful.
 
This forum needs a little catamount love! This is undoubtedly the most stressful period in the application cycle but we will all get through it! And I definitely agree with econdr... I'm so looking forward to meeting all of you as my future classmates.

Good luck everyone! And hang in there!
 
I spoke to Patrick on the phone the other day and he said that the waitlist wasn't going to be broken down into top, middle and lower tiers this year as it has in years past. What gives? Anyone know how they will choose the next candidate to fill a position if it isn't ranked??
 
Ouch. I don't really know how the tier system works/worked. Do they put you in a tier and then periodically review and re-review the candidates in that tier to fill a spot? Or do they just rank people like 1-100 or whatever and call numbers 1-33 tier 1, 34-66 tier 2 etc.?

We've gotta be ranked somehow. I mean, surely they're not gonna review EVERYONE whenever there is an opening.

And if we are ranked, I don't see the harm in letting us know where we stand.
 
Asystole said:
I spoke to Patrick on the phone the other day and he said that the waitlist wasn't going to be broken down into top, middle and lower tiers this year as it has in years past. What gives? Anyone know how they will choose the next candidate to fill a position if it isn't ranked??
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Wow, that's strange. I was waitlisted in Feb; when I called at that time I asked Patrick what third I was in, and he said the top third. Have they decided to ditch the thirds since then?

This year really does seem like a departure from the past in many ways.
 
student1799 said:
Wow, that's strange. I was waitlisted in Feb; when I called at that time I asked Patrick what third I was in, and he said the top third. Have they decided to ditch the thirds since then?

This year really does seem like a departure from the past in many ways.
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Wow, how did you manage to get any information about your position on the waitlist? I thought they were pretty strict about not letting us know where we stood? I've certainly been shot down in all my attempts to glean any crumbs of information about what my chances are!
 
karbala72 said:
Wow, how did you manage to get any information about your position on the waitlist? I thought they were pretty strict about not letting us know where we stood? I've certainly been shot down in all my attempts to glean any crumbs of information about what my chances are!
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Now I'm beginning to question my own sanity. I certainly THOUGHT I remembered him telling me that, but perhaps I'm getting mixed up. I am on 5 WL's, after all. 🙂
 
student1799 said:
Now I'm beginning to question my own sanity. I certainly THOUGHT I remembered him telling me that, but perhaps I'm getting mixed up. I am on 5 WL's, after all. 🙂
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Let me guess...Vermont, Tufts, BU, VCU and GW?
 
chessodoc said:
Let me guess...Vermont, Tufts, BU, VCU and GW?
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Well, you're 1 for 4 (aside from UVM, of course). I am on the GW waitlist, along with half of America, but the others are Upstate, Buffalo and EVMS.
 
student1799 said:
Now I'm beginning to question my own sanity. I certainly THOUGHT I remembered him telling me that, but perhaps I'm getting mixed up. I am on 5 WL's, after all. 🙂
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WL on 5?! I wish I was in your predicament!
 
What are your chances of coming off of a waitlist if you are on 5 waitlists 😛

I also have 5 😀
 
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