2009-2010 Virginia Tech Carilion School of Medicine Application Thread

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Thanks for the detail, but I still think your rec system is a huge burden on students and their recommenders.

Seems like you should shoot for a compromise for your first year - accept the typical letters this year, and perhaps ask for one of the ETS letters. Transition to the ETS system over time, maybe? You inasmuch indicate that VTC is "evaluating" the PPI. Why not transition to it?

The biggest problem with the ETS system is that applicants will not be able to secure the recommendation "product" in advance of the cycle. They will have to contact "recommenders" only after VTC deems them worthy of the secondary, or in mid summer. It will be much harder to track down these people in the summer...and since VTC is the only med school utilizing this system, applicants will not be likely to line up ETS PPI recommenders until they actually know they need them...make sense?

My guess is that some pre-med committees will see this as a snub since you are not interested in their input. Is this really the best way to kick start a new med school, cutting premed committees out of the loop? With a newfangled recommendation system, as well as a bizarro interview system?

Good luck. I will have to think about it...and I live in Virginia!
 
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mmm I feel bad about bothering my recommenders. they have lives...

we'll see if I get a secondary!
 
musings said:
mmm I feel bad about bothering my recommenders. they have lives...

we'll see if I get a secondary!
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I agree 100 percent.

I have slept on it, and although I sent them a primary, I do not plan to pursue VTC, even though I live within spittin' distance of the school...I was very excited when we all first heard about VTC a week or so ago, but everything I have read about the app process and the school itself is a real problem, for me...YMMV...

IMO, they are being "too clever by half" with everything. If the convoluted app and interview process is any indication, the first few cohorts will be total guinea pigs as the VTC admin imposes all kinds of mandatory attendance and extraneous activities on the students. Just looking at the curriculum graphic makes my head hurt...this looks like a mandatory attendance "8 to 5" program, unless I am missing something...between that and the mandatory research component, I think that VTC students will be run ragged...

Good luck to VTC, and to anyone who attends.
 
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personally, i am a fan of the ETS system... 99.9999% of the time, LORs are just form letters that are rarely personalized to the student... further they all say the same thing... you are an excellent leader... you've demonstrated academic excellence... your creativity inspired the lab... if you are excited about your application because you got a glowing LOR, you fail to realize everyone else got the exact same letter you did... the ETS system is doing what LORs have failed to do for many years... they're going to bring meaning back to the evaluation process...
 
Freezer said:
personally, i am a fan of the ETS system... 99.9999% of the time, LORs are just form letters that are rarely personalized to the student... further they all say the same thing... you are an excellent leader... you've demonstrated academic excellence... your creativity inspired the lab... if you are excited about your application because you got a glowing LOR, you fail to realize everyone else got the exact same letter you did... the ETS system is doing what LORs have failed to do for many years... they're going to bring meaning back to the evaluation process...
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I am sure you are correct about all of this, but the reality is that with VTC being the only med school using this system, it creates an undue burden on students and recommenders.

A phase-in, or optional use of the system, particularly in this first year of admissions, would seem prudent. Next year, applicants would have time to at least warn their recommenders of the coming request, and maybe even file it with ETS in the March to May timeframe when profs are actively writing recs...for this inaugural year, applicants will be hunting down recommenders in July, August...not good.
 
Freezer said:
personally, i am a fan of the ETS system... 99.9999% of the time, LORs are just form letters that are rarely personalized to the student... further they all say the same thing... you are an excellent leader... you've demonstrated academic excellence... your creativity inspired the lab... if you are excited about your application because you got a glowing LOR, you fail to realize everyone else got the exact same letter you did... the ETS system is doing what LORs have failed to do for many years... they're going to bring meaning back to the evaluation process...
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This is cynical and an unfair indictment of the LOR process. How many people's recs have you read? A good friend of mine had a 3.9 gpa, 34 mcat and didn't get in anywhere a couple years ago. He called several adcomms and a few straight up told him to get new letters. Not every letter writer uses a cookie cutter formula for their letters. If that were the case, every other school in the country wouldn't place as much weight on them as they say they do.

With that said, I think this ETS system is terrible, and it's a shame that it will deter many applicants because I really do think it looks like a good program. And I also don't think I'm just complaining because most of my letter writers already took forever to get back to me about the normal letters I requested months ago...they will never get back to me about this, in a timely fashion anyways.
 
sdguy2008 said:
This is cynical and an unfair indictment of the LOR process. How many people's recs have you read? A good friend of mine had a 3.9 gpa, 34 mcat and didn't get in anywhere a couple years ago. He called several adcomms and a few straight up told him to get new letters. Not every letter writer uses a cookie cutter formula for their letters. If that were the case, every other school in the country wouldn't place as much weight on them as they say they do.

With that said, I think this ETS system is terrible, and it's a shame that it will deter many applicants because I really do think it looks like a good program. And I also don't think I'm just complaining because most of my letter writers already took forever to get back to me about the normal letters I requested months ago...they will never get back to me about this, in a timely fashion anyways.
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Surely VTC thought about the problems with this system from the perspective of the applicants and their recommenders, and I assume they just don't care.

What I foresee is a very low secondary return rate when applicants who have submitted the primary finally understand what the ETS system is all about, followed by a protracted period of time when applicants who do submit secondaries are going to be chasing down recommenders for the ETS thing...many applicants will not be "complete" at VTC until the fall or early winter, or worse, they will never get "complete"...or they will simply lose interest in VTC as other interview invites, and acceptances, start rolling in...

I will step away from this thread. This is for people who are excited about VTC and looking for more info on it, not for people like me to air grievances with their process.

Good luck to all of you.
 
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I agree about this stepping away thing. This thread is for us to talk about the school...but not to rant and rant about its problems. Fact of the matter is that the school will never be able to satisfy all of us. I am not saying that I love the LOR system, but I certainly see the *long term* benefit in it as well. I would hope that outstanding candidates who cannot find "LOR" writers would feel the necessity to contact the school and tell them of their "dedicated intent" and explain why they have second rate evaluations. I think the school know's that the first year is going to be bumpy.

On a happier note... what does everyone think about this whole "six hours of lecture thing..." I am kinda worried about this. Does this mean that the Patient case studies are 7 of us huddled in a pow-wow and teaching each other?
 
TA225 said:
I agree about this stepping away thing. This thread is for us to talk about the school...but not to rant and rant about its problems. Fact of the matter is that the school will never be able to satisfy all of us. I am not saying that I love the LOR system, but I certainly see the *long term* benefit in it as well. I would hope that outstanding candidates who cannot find "LOR" writers would feel the necessity to contact the school and tell them of their "dedicated intent" and explain why they have second rate evaluations. I think the school know's that the first year is going to be bumpy.

On a happier note... what does everyone think about this whole "six hours of lecture thing..." I am kinda worried about this. Does this mean that the Patient case studies are 7 of us huddled in a pow-wow and teaching each other?
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Ya it does sound like it'll be a bit bumpy. I'm not sure if I'll fill out the secondary (if asked) since I don't think I want to be a guinea pig in their first class. They aren't offering any scholarships or anything for the first class, are they?
 
I disagree that using a likert-style questionnaire is going to help VTC get a better idea of the "whole" person. I know my letter writers well and am sure that I didn't just get cookie-cutter letters from them. By asking them to fill out the hilariously named Personal Potential Index it almost seems insulting. At the very least, it's embarrassing.

"Hey, I know you put a lot of work into writing that rec letter for me, but can you just fill out this questionnaire instead?"

In regard to the other schools/programs using this service, I doubt that many MD applicants are going to be applying to MS/PhD programs, so this is definitely a burden on MD applicants. Whether it's excessive is a matter of some debate.
 
jackson1 said:
Ya it does sound like it'll be a bit bumpy. I'm not sure if I'll fill out the secondary (if asked) since I don't think I want to be a guinea pig in their first class. They aren't offering any scholarships or anything for the first class, are they?
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I haven't been able to find any, but I figured that if I made it that far, it would be something I would ask about in an interview. Then again, I don't know of a lot of scholarships to many med schools, let alone this one.
 
Freezer said:
personally, i am a fan of the ETS system... 99.9999% of the time, LORs are just form letters that are rarely personalized to the student... further they all say the same thing... you are an excellent leader... you've demonstrated academic excellence... your creativity inspired the lab... if you are excited about your application because you got a glowing LOR, you fail to realize everyone else got the exact same letter you did... the ETS system is doing what LORs have failed to do for many years... they're going to bring meaning back to the evaluation process...
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You are definitely wrong about this. You think adcoms don't see right through cookie cutter LORs? If you send a stack of those to every school, good luck. If you have spent the time to get to know those recommending you, and have them get to know you, you won't get a generic letter. Trust me.
 
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You are definitely wrong about this. You think adcoms don't see right through cookie cutter LORs? If you send a stack of those to every school, good luck. If you have spent the time to get to know those recommending you, and have them get to know you, you won't get a generic letter. Trust me.
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one of my favorite stories was of a Missouri State professor who got a call from a school because the letter he had sent had 2 names on it... one of the student he was writing for, and one of the student he last used the letter for...

i am not saying adcoms cant see right through cookie cutter letters... i am sure they can... however, having worked in a bio department, i have seen first hand many colleagues rehash the same old letter time and time again for every student that walks through the door... they simply do not have the time to sit down and write a sincere letter for every student... the most involved i see your typical professor get is when they start knocking on my office door to ask what i remember from a student because they cannot remember anything about them but still want to write a "good" letter... face it, it looks good for a professor to say they have had X number of students go off to medical school or graduate school... so they will write a B.S. letter to help with their own bragging rights... because they themselves are trying to recruit the best and brightest into their own research labs...

usually, i see professors write 3 letters... and each student that asks for a LOR falls into 1 of 3 letter categories... 1 being the most personal to 3 being the least... the most common letter writing approach(in which i also use on occassion) takes the following format:

P1 - Introduce your recommendation of the student
P2- Talk about the lab/research the student had with you and what the curriculum included for this experience.
P3 - discuss how the student performed within the class/research (use buzzwords such as "passionate" and "motivated"
P4 - discuss any unique attributes the student brought to the class/research (good buzzwords include - natural leader, inspiring)
P5- home run the letter out of the park with another "i highly recommend _____ for your program."

but when you sit back and look at it, it is still all cookie cutter... call me cynical, but this is just how i have seen it done my entire career... i know we do not often get to see the letters written for us... but when you go on interfolio or virtual evals and see page lengths of "1" for your LOR, you can be well assured its cookie cutter...

i agree with a lot of the above comments... it is essential your letter writer really knows who you are if you are to get one of those few genuine letters... just ask yourself, did you seriously impress your letter writer... not like i got an A in his class impressed... but more like "Good Will Hunting" was about me, impressed... because anything less than 'apples' will earn you rehashed props...

all in all, i am excited about the new VTC school... sure it will have a bumpy start, all schools do... but ultimately, their progressive approach is trying to improve medical education... maybe traditional medical education doesnt need improvement.... maybe VTC will fail in their goals... but you cant help but feel excited about what they are trying to accomplish... there are those who are uncomfortable with VTC and that is OK... medical schools can be a lot like gloves, some are a good fit for you, some are not... i dont go on the Penn State thread and complain about their policies... why waste my time? i find my time to be more productive cheering for their football team... but that is just me...
 
Freezer said:
one of my favorite stories was of a Missouri State professor who got a call from a school because the letter he had sent had 2 names on it... one of the student he was writing for, and one of the student he last used the letter for...

i am not saying adcoms cant see right through cookie cutter letters... i am sure they can... however, having worked in a bio department, i have seen first hand many colleagues rehash the same old letter time and time again for every student that walks through the door... they simply do not have the time to sit down and write a sincere letter for every student... the most involved i see your typical professor get is when they start knocking on my office door to ask what i remember from a student because they cannot remember anything about them but still want to write a "good" letter... face it, it looks good for a professor to say they have had X number of students go off to medical school or graduate school... so they will write a B.S. letter to help with their own bragging rights... because they themselves are trying to recruit the best and brightest into their own research labs...

usually, i see professors write 3 letters... and each student that asks for a LOR falls into 1 of 3 letter categories... 1 being the most personal to 3 being the least... the most common letter writing approach(in which i also use on occassion) takes the following format:

P1 - Introduce your recommendation of the student
P2- Talk about the lab/research the student had with you and what the curriculum included for this experience.
P3 - discuss how the student performed within the class/research (use buzzwords such as "passionate" and "motivated"
P4 - discuss any unique attributes the student brought to the class/research (good buzzwords include - natural leader, inspiring)
P5- home run the letter out of the park with another "i highly recommend _____ for your program."

but when you sit back and look at it, it is still all cookie cutter... call me cynical, but this is just how i have seen it done my entire career... i know we do not often get to see the letters written for us... but when you go on interfolio or virtual evals and see page lengths of "1" for your LOR, you can be well assured its cookie cutter...

i agree with a lot of the above comments... it is essential your letter writer really knows who you are if you are to get one of those few genuine letters... just ask yourself, did you seriously impress your letter writer... not like i got an A in his class impressed... but more like "Good Will Hunting" was about me, impressed... because anything less than 'apples' will earn you rehashed props...

all in all, i am excited about the new VTC school... sure it will have a bumpy start, all schools do... but ultimately, their progressive approach is trying to improve medical education... maybe traditional medical education doesnt need improvement.... maybe VTC will fail in their goals... but you cant help but feel excited about what they are trying to accomplish... there are those who are uncomfortable with VTC and that is OK... medical schools can be a lot like gloves, some are a good fit for you, some are not... i dont go on the Penn State thread and complain about their policies... why waste my time? i find my time to be more productive cheering for their football team... but that is just me...
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I just want to shoot out a bit "amen" after that.
That is all.
 
flip26 said:
Anybody else thinking that VTC may be screwing up by reinventing the wheel on recommendations? For many applicants, their college "recommenders" are harder to track down in the summer...this VTC system for recs sounds like it will have a poor compliance rate...
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Lol, they're ****in crazy. I should go through all of that LOR writer harassment just to apply to one school? I'll pass.
 
Also, LOR's are pointless. Even the biggest ****head can act right in front of their professor, doctor their shadowing, etc.
 
I would say that if your unhappy with their process dont apply, there are plenty of us who will jump through the hoops to get an acceptance.
 
I would recommend tempering your enthusiasm about any new medical school; it usually takes several years, sometimes more, for a new school to establish its curriculum, research program and research support. And the solvency of the funding stream is another potential issue. Unless the parent institution is well-established and well-endowed (such as the Mayo Clinic), the school may be entirely "tuition-driven". Long-range plans and dreams are laudable, but you will be a med student there for 4 years. Is that enough time for the institutional dreams to be realized?
 
I wish I read this thread before I paid for my primary app to this school last night. I was pretty psyched when I finally got all of my letters of recc turned in to my school's letter service... Now to ask all of my proffs, the doctors I've shadowed and employers to fill out this ETS thingie is bumming me out. 😡
 
Like others, I'm kind of on the fence about this app, especially with this ETS PPI requirement.

Though I will apply (hey, 42 students? brand new school? sign me up!), it seems like for some things VTC is trying to be innovative when really...it's just more administrative bs.
 
Black Adder said:
I wish I read this thread before I paid for my primary app to this school last night. I was pretty psyched when I finally got all of my letters of recc turned in to my school's letter service... Now to ask all of my proffs, the doctors I've shadowed and employers to fill out this ETS thingie is bumming me out. 😡
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Lol, yep. It might be worth the trouble though, most people wont want to do it.

VT is ********.
 
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Lol, yep. It might be worth the trouble though, most people wont want to do it.

VT is ********.
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Nah, I think I'll cut my losses and run while it's still just 34 bucks or however much that primary was...

Good luck to everyone else applying here!
 
Black Adder said:
Nah, I think I'll cut my losses and run while it's still just 34 bucks or however much that primary was...

Good luck to everyone else applying here!
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:laugh:, I like your style. I have the same attitude and I think most people will. I thought about applying to VT until i read about that LOR requirement. It's just not worth the trouble, for anyone.
 
For those of you anticipating an invitation to submit a secondary application VTCSOM, the ETS PPI website opened for applications on July 7. Here is their link: https://ppi.ets.org/ppi/applicant/

To clarify our VTCSOM policy on personal recommendations:

It is our goal to receive ETS PPI evaluation reports on each of our applicants invited to submit a secondary application. In our online secondary application, we state that, "VTCSOM requires three (minimum) to five (maximum) evaluations, including one from a science faculty member with significant contact with the student. The applicant may choose the evaluators for the remaining evaluations. The PPI evaluation report must be received from ETS before the secondary application is considered complete and the applicant can be considered for an interview." While some students may seek and get recommendations from multiple faculty members, we are also interested in getting recommendations from employers, former scoutmasters, pastors, volunteer service coordinators, coaches, etc., in an attempt to learn more about the applicant as a “whole person.”

Regarding traditional letters of recommendation, we understand that many large undergraduate academic institutions use a pre-health committee process to collect, review, and evaluate their students, and invest considerable time and faculty resources in their process. Other institutions utilize a centralized university reference letter service. We believe these evaluations and letters would be useful to us in our admissions process, and we will accept those packages or letters from institutions electronically via VirtualEvals or Interfolio, in addition to the required ETS PPI evaluation report.

The VTCSOM curriculum will utilize a patient centered learning approach that will rely heavily on teamwork and cooperation between the students to be successful. Our small class of 42 students will be organized into teams of seven students for the first eight blocks of the M1 and M2 years. The VTC School of Medicine will be co-located with the VTC Research Institute. Our four-year MD curriculum will also have a research project component. In our admissions process, we will be particularly interested in looking for applicants with strong backgrounds in research and scholarship, as well as non-traditional students who have excelled in other fields before deciding to pursue medical school. Many of these potential applicants are now beyond their undergraduate experience, and the ETS PPI evaluation process will give them a level playing field to be evaluated against those applicants coming directly to medical school from their undergraduate schools.
We would encourage any applicants considering VTCSOM to check out the ETS PPI process on their website prior to making an application decision.

You can find more information on our website: http://www.vtc.vt.edu


 
VTCAdm said:
For those of you anticipating an invitation to submit a secondary application VTCSOM, the ETS PPI website opened for applications on July 7. Here is their link: https://ppi.ets.org/ppi/applicant/

To clarify our VTCSOM policy on personal recommendations:

It is our goal to receive ETS PPI evaluation reports on each of our applicants invited to submit a secondary application. In our online secondary application, we state that, "VTCSOM requires three (minimum) to five (maximum) evaluations, including one from a science faculty member with significant contact with the student. The applicant may choose the evaluators for the remaining evaluations. The PPI evaluation report must be received from ETS before the secondary application is considered complete and the applicant can be considered for an interview." While some students may seek and get recommendations from multiple faculty members, we are also interested in getting recommendations from employers, former scoutmasters, pastors, volunteer service coordinators, coaches, etc., in an attempt to learn more about the applicant as a "whole person."

Regarding traditional letters of recommendation, we understand that many large undergraduate academic institutions use a pre-health committee process to collect, review, and evaluate their students, and invest considerable time and faculty resources in their process. Other institutions utilize a centralized university reference letter service. We believe these evaluations and letters would be useful to us in our admissions process, and we will accept those packages or letters from institutions electronically via VirtualEvals or Interfolio, in addition to the required ETS PPI evaluation report.
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Change "in addition to" to "in lieu of" and you will receive far more applications from interested people in this inaugural year. You need to give people a chance to adapt to your unique requirements; phase it in next year, maybe?

Like most people here, I am swamped with secondaries and have no intention of pestering my recommenders for this.
 
flip26 said:
Change "in addition to" to "in lieu of" and you will receive far more applications from interested people in this inaugural year. You need to give people a chance to adapt to your unique requirements; phase it in next year, maybe?

Like most people here, I am swamped with secondaries and have no intention of pestering my recommenders for this.
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"yeah and about those secondaries... can we just get away with doing just a primary? cause i mean, i was planning on going to the movies with some friends and well... its just those secondaries are just soo darn hard... oh! can i just add my name to the top of one of my friends secondaries and send it to you? oh and another thing, if i promise to read the "book," can i just skip the first two years and begin as an MS3? its just that class and me never get along... they always start wwwaaayyyy too early and needless to say, i am a horrible test taker..."

medical school is by far one of the most challenging academic endeavours you can go through... if the application process is too much for you, you should seriously rethink your career path... to those of you who have no problem with this new ETS PPI, i look forward to calling you my colleague...
 
Freezer said:
"yeah and about those secondaries... can we just get away with doing just a primary? cause i mean, i was planning on going to the movies with some friends and well... its just those secondaries are just soo darn hard... oh! can i just add my name to the top of one of my friends secondaries and send it to you? oh and another thing, if i promise to read the "book," can i just skip the first two years and begin as an MS3? its just that class and me never get along... they always start wwwaaayyyy too early and needless to say, i am a horrible test taker..."

medical school is by far one of the most challenging academic endeavours you can go through... if the application process is too much for you, you should seriously rethink your career path... to those of you who have no problem with this new ETS PPI, i look forward to calling you my colleague...
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Idiot.

I predict they will have a very low response rate with secondaries this year because of the burdensome recommendation system. As is indicated anecdotally in this thread, I bet they got a bunch of primaries from people who will not bother to complete the secondary.

And before you start proudly calling others your colleague, you might want to get accepted somewhere first...
 
Freezer said:
"yeah and about those secondaries... can we just get away with doing just a primary? cause i mean, i was planning on going to the movies with some friends and well... its just those secondaries are just soo darn hard... oh! can i just add my name to the top of one of my friends secondaries and send it to you? oh and another thing, if i promise to read the "book," can i just skip the first two years and begin as an MS3? its just that class and me never get along... they always start wwwaaayyyy too early and needless to say, i am a horrible test taker..."

medical school is by far one of the most challenging academic endeavours you can go through... if the application process is too much for you, you should seriously rethink your career path... to those of you who have no problem with this new ETS PPI, i look forward to calling you my colleague...
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What are you babbling about??

LMAO
 
So...has anyone gotten a secondary yet?
 
I got an email stating they were currently reviewing my primary and they would get back to me shortly... also had some information on the school... website... the usual...
 
Awesome! My AMCAS app just got "approved" during the middle of last week. I'm really excited about this school so I am anxiously awaiting an email. 😀
 
Roanoke has some hot girls... corn-fed Virginia ham 👍

On that note, the ETS system looks like a joke. Good thing I drink and hang out with some of my past professors 😎
 
anyone receive any secondaries yet? i am getting anxious...
 
No secondary yet 🙁 And I am totally anxious about it. I check my email like all the time. Post on here as soon as you get it, and I will too! I really want to get into the first interview slot. 😕
 
We expect to send out our first group of invitations for our online secondary application later this week (July 20-24). Initial contact will be by email, and we will follow up with a package of information on Virginia Tech's research, Carilion Clinic, and the Roanoke Valley area by mail.

VTCSOM Admissions
(540) 581-0136
 
I'm confused. Exactly how many PPIs do we need? One and then other rec letters? or three PPIs and then submit up to five normal LORS?

Also, anyone got a secondary yet?
 
3-5 PPI recommendations are required. They will accept letters from pre-health committees in addition to these. The way I understand it, they don't really want us to submit the traditional letters unless our school does one of those pre-health evaluation packets on each of its students.

According to the post by the admin, they should be sending out the secondaries either today or tomorrow. I haven't gotten one yet [but I am obsessively checking my email waiting for one].

Good luck!
 
how many of us today have an unhealthy obsession with checking their email for a secondary from VTC? i start twitching if i go 5 minutes without checking gmail... well its that or all the coffee today... really hard to say at this point...
 
so do you need to submit your recommendations prior to receiving a secondary application? or should I wait until I submit the secondary?
 
Luciferase said:
so do you need to submit your recommendations prior to receiving a secondary application? or should I wait until I submit the secondary?
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because they screen primaries, i would wait until you get a secondary... they probably have instructions for submitting your PPI through the secondary as well...
 
Freezer said:
how many of us today have an unhealthy obsession with checking their email for a secondary from VTC? i start twitching if i go 5 minutes without checking gmail... well its that or all the coffee today... really hard to say at this point...
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I haven't left my computer. There is no way I will keep my sanity over the weekend if they don't send those out today.:scared:
 
Freezer said:
because they screen primaries, i would wait until you get a secondary... they probably have instructions for submitting your PPI through the secondary as well...
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Sounds good..thanks Freezer. Good luck with getting the secondary, hopefully they won't make you wait too much longer!! 👍
 
TA225 said:
I haven't left my computer. There is no way I will keep my sanity over the weekend if they don't send those out today.:scared:
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you know i totally feel the same way... yet, another side of me really does not want to rush them in their decisions and preparations... in these matters, its best to except the stay of execution before rushing for the pardon...
 
Yes I know you are right. I guess we will hope for the beginning of next week then?
 
ah i get this sinking feeling that they sent out secondaries... just not to any of us yet... at least we havent gotten a rejection (knock on wood)...
 
So I heard today that secondaries for VTCSOM have been sent out to students who applied for the early decision program. I was initially unaware they had such a program for their charter class but was informed that it was offered only to VT undergraduates. Seems to make sense. Anyways, I am hoping to have access to a copy of the secondary shortly so I can post the meat for all you on here.
 
Freezer said:
So I heard today that secondaries for VTCSOM have been sent out to students who applied for the early decision program. I was initially unaware they had such a program for their charter class but was informed that it was offered only to VT undergraduates. Seems to make sense. Anyways, I am hoping to have access to a copy of the secondary shortly so I can post the meat for all you on here.
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Why would it make sense for a private medical school to offer an early decision program only to the students at its affiliate public uni?

Nothing about this school makes a lick of sense.
 
flip26 said:
Why would it make sense for a private medical school to offer an early decision program only to the students at its affiliate public uni?

Nothing about this school makes a lick of sense.
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I concur.
 
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