2009-2010 Wayne State Application Thread

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CantWinThemAll said:
I was put on the waitlist in december after my interview, and I got off of it a month later. I think a big reason why I was moved off was because of the update letter/letter of interest i sent them. I think they're receptive to things like that, so I would give that a shot. I suppose you could sit back and wait for May 15, but I think that's taking a pretty big risk.

good luck!
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I've done that already.
 
4goneconclusion said:
I appreciate this. It's going to really be a toss-up. I just can't get over the OOS tuition at Wayne. I feel like I sort of never really considered it an option because of the price. With that said, the more research I do, the more uncertain I become.
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Hmm.. in that case i would consider the specialties you're really set on and if their prospective salaries would offset the huge loans. if you want a primary care field than i would go with RFU.
best wishes!
 
michfiji09 said:
I felt like I had a bad interview as well. What did you think was the problem with yours? Mine lasted for a whole hour and we both talked a good amount but I just felt like we never got into anything interesting and it was hard for me to try and elaborate on things. He just kept asking questions with really short answers, repeating himself, and not really letting me go into detail about things that he didn't already know about.

Anyway, i feel like I've been on the wait list since December because I know my interview wasn't all that exciting (meaning I don't feel like I was really given a chance to discuss extra things, instead of what he was reading off my application materials).

Did anyone else have any sort of similar situation? Wayne has been my number one choice since the start, I am getting a master's, I'm IS, and my MCAT is a few points above their average so I really hope my interview wasn't a deal-breaker, even though it wasn't the worst I guess.
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I had a very similar experience. I wouldnt say my interview was bad, it just was.... if that makes sense. The doctor and I just chatted and I don't feel that I really got into anything in the whole hour like I did in half hour interviews I've had with other physicians at other schools. I just didn't get a real warm and fuzzy feeling haha.
 
I've got some good news for you on the waitlist. I'm turning down my acceptance to Wayne!

Even though it's got such great research facilities and the DMC seemed amazing, I just really couldn't see myself in Detroit for 4 years. I also got the impression that the environment was a bit more competitive than Rosalind Franklin (maybe due to the large class size?) With so many people who apparently don't go to class, who live in Windsor and only show up for labs and such, it just didn't seem like the community aspect was the right fit for me.

With that said, I'm sure if I had in-state tuition prices, the decision would be a breeze. Good luck to all of you who are still waiting!
 
ruiner said:
I had a very similar experience. I wouldnt say my interview was bad, it just was.... if that makes sense. The doctor and I just chatted and I don't feel that I really got into anything in the whole hour like I did in half hour interviews I've had with other physicians at other schools. I just didn't get a real warm and fuzzy feeling haha.
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I agree.

Are you waitlisted? accepted?
 
michfiji09 said:
I agree.

Are you waitlisted? accepted?
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waitlisted 2x, but if I'm going to stay in MI i'm leaning towards CHM anyway. I know people say wayne is better for specializing, but state sends people to some great programs as well, and not just in primary care.
 
Sorry if this question has already been answered --

I know that they have notification dates for informing you of your status, but do they ever let you know before that date or do they just send out mass emails on the specified dates?
 
creepypete said:
Sorry if this question has already been answered --

I know that they have notification dates for informing you of your status, but do they ever let you know before that date or do they just send out mass emails on the specified dates?
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They will send you an email on the day listed by 2pm (is what they say).

I have gotten my original post-interview status and 2 updates and they have all come before noon.
 
michfiji09 said:
They will send you an email on the day listed by 2pm (is what they say).

I have gotten my original post-interview status and 2 updates and they have all come before noon.
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Same here. And the message they send isn't always the same. In November, they wished me a happy Thanksgiving. In December, a happy holiday season. In January it was shorter, but in February, the last one, it was a bit longer.

I hope I don't have to wait until the summer. This waiting is KILLING me.
 
So I sent an update before the last decision date and was kept on the wait list -- any sense in sending another, even though I've got no real new news? Kind of an "I'm still here, I still love Wayne" type dealy?
 
blairwaldorf said:
So I sent an update before the last decision date and was kept on the wait list -- any sense in sending another, even though I've got no real new news? Kind of an "I'm still here, I still love Wayne" type dealy?
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No "no news" updates. That's a waste of everyone's time.
 
fun8stuff said:
word on the street is that they will be working closer with henry ford, as a lot of the docs at HF were given "WSU associate professor" status
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I am not sure if this is public knowledge yet, but my father works with Wayne and just found out that Wayne is going to break its association with the DMC for MD programs. It looks like the residency programs will still be between Wayne and the DMC though, they just signed a 5 year extension.
 
ZetaGilgamesh said:
I am not sure if this is public knowledge yet, but my father works with Wayne and just found out that Wayne is going to break its association with the DMC for MD programs. It looks like the residency programs will still be between Wayne and the DMC though, they just signed a 5 year extension.
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How significant of an impact will this have on our clinical training and WSU's rep?
 
Here's the email sent out from the President of WSU 2/10. They just signed a new contract.

Dear colleagues,

I am pleased to announce that Wayne State University and the Detroit Medical Center (DMC) have signed new contracts governing undergraduate and graduate medical education and clinical services. These agreements are the result of hard work on both sides, and I am confident that they will provide stability for those clinical and educational programs that reside primarily at the DMC. The agreements have a five-year term and are automatically renewable, thus allowing us to plan for the future with confidence.

These contracts were required to replace an existing agreement, signed in November 2006, that was scheduled to expire in June 2010.

A portion of this new agreement transfers sole sponsorship of 50 residency programs to the DMC, whereas in the past these programs were co-sponsored by the DMC and our School of Medicine. Residents in these programs will be taught by our faculty and receive a Wayne State University-DMC diploma. These procedures bring us in line with current national best practices for residency training.

The DMC and Wayne State also signed a three-year clinical services contract for the 10 WSU Physician Group practices that provide patient care and administrative services in the DMC's eight hospitals. These practices include internal medicine, neurology, neurosurgery, OB/GYN, ophthalmology, pathology, psychiatry, physical medicine and rehabilitation, radiation/oncology and surgery.

As part of these contracts, Wayne State's financial compensation from the DMC will be very substantially reduced over the next three years. This is unfortunate but understandable considering the economic situation in Detroit and reduced revenues at the DMC, but it also highlights the need for WSU to enter into relationships with other clinical and academic institutions.

With these new agreements, both the Wayne State University School of Medicine and the DMC will be better able to focus their energy and resources on their shared mission of preparing the next generation of physicians while caring for the uninsured and underinsured. From Wayne State's perspective, our academic and service missions will be much enhanced through expanded teaching, research and clinical collaboration with other partners in the Detroit metropolitan area.

Thank you.


If anything this will be good for WSU SOM, because they're branching out to other hospitals in the area.
 
I can't see why leaving DMC for other hospitals will be a good thing for either Wayne State or DMC. Can someone please explain. It's all fine and well to sign new contracts with other hospitals in the area like HF but do any really have resources of DMC?
 
dadocca said:
I can't see why leaving DMC for other hospitals will be a good thing for either Wayne State or DMC. Can someone please explain. It's all fine and well to sign new contracts with other hospitals in the area like HF but do any really have resources of DMC?
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I don't think that it is a good thing, for the next few years probably. This means that new contracts are going to have to be ironed out with a bunch of local hospitals and new relationships need to be established. Contract work takes time, which is probably why Wayne started fishing late last year to see if there was outside interest. I am guessing that there is, which in the long run may be worthwhile.

As for the announcement, once you translate the doublespeak, DMC's renumerances are dropping, due to economic conditions in Detroit, and probably couldn't support the fees that Wayne wants/needs to support the med school. The residency programs are fine, because those are full-time wage slaves to the DMC, but since they don't own the students, they weren't as important to DMC providing care with limited resources. There is no telling who is the bad guy in this situation, DMC cutting costs or Wayne seeking revenue streams.

Oh and my father works at a local hospital and was contacted about teaching Pathology (he's a MD, PhD, over-degreed type) so that jives with what has been said.
 
Ugh my interview was just a mess, I think it's one thing to have a kind of boring interview, it's another to basically have someone tell you that you can't get in in the like fits 10 min. Also he only gave me ~20-30 mins...didn't really ask me anything. Just kept saying "any other questions for me".

When I asked him about how I can succeed IN medical school, he didn't really get my question and told me that I should apply to DO programs and the Caribbean schools.

My stats aren't too great - 3.55 GPA, 29 S but my letters and volunteering are top notch (over 2000 clinical hands on patient experience). I just thought since I made it to the interview, that was a good thing? That meant I had a shot?

Well I have been on the wait list so it's not so bad, at least I'm not rejected :laugh:
 
Ilvcurst said:
Ugh my interview was just a mess, I think it's one thing to have a kind of boring interview, it's another to basically have someone tell you that you can't get in in the like fits 10 min. Also he only gave me ~20-30 mins...didn't really ask me anything. Just kept saying "any other questions for me".

When I asked him about how I can succeed IN medical school, he didn't really get my question and told me that I should apply to DO programs and the Caribbean schools.

My stats aren't too great - 3.55 GPA, 29 S but my letters and volunteering are top notch (over 2000 clinical hands on patient experience). I just thought since I made it to the interview, that was a good thing? That meant I had a shot?

Well I have been on the wait list so it's not so bad, at least I'm not rejected :laugh:
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Right there, buddy. Keep hope alive.
 
Who was your interviewer?
Ilvcurst said:
Ugh my interview was just a mess, I think it's one thing to have a kind of boring interview, it's another to basically have someone tell you that you can't get in in the like fits 10 min. Also he only gave me ~20-30 mins...didn't really ask me anything. Just kept saying "any other questions for me".

When I asked him about how I can succeed IN medical school, he didn't really get my question and told me that I should apply to DO programs and the Caribbean schools.

My stats aren't too great - 3.55 GPA, 29 S but my letters and volunteering are top notch (over 2000 clinical hands on patient experience). I just thought since I made it to the interview, that was a good thing? That meant I had a shot?

Well I have been on the wait list so it's not so bad, at least I'm not rejected :laugh:
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Ilvcurst said:
Ugh my interview was just a mess, I think it's one thing to have a kind of boring interview, it's another to basically have someone tell you that you can't get in in the like fits 10 min. Also he only gave me ~20-30 mins...didn't really ask me anything. Just kept saying "any other questions for me".

When I asked him about how I can succeed IN medical school, he didn't really get my question and told me that I should apply to DO programs and the Caribbean schools.
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Wow... I don't know how I would have reacted if the interviewer told me this to my face. 😱
 
With the DMC pulling away financial support, can we expect Wayne tuition to increase?
 
They haven't said anything yet. But I imagine that nothing will change this year.
 
Ilvcurst said:
Ugh my interview was just a mess, I think it's one thing to have a kind of boring interview, it's another to basically have someone tell you that you can't get in in the like fits 10 min. Also he only gave me ~20-30 mins...didn't really ask me anything. Just kept saying "any other questions for me".

When I asked him about how I can succeed IN medical school, he didn't really get my question and told me that I should apply to DO programs and the Caribbean schools.

My stats aren't too great - 3.55 GPA, 29 S but my letters and volunteering are top notch (over 2000 clinical hands on patient experience). I just thought since I made it to the interview, that was a good thing? That meant I had a shot?

Well I have been on the wait list so it's not so bad, at least I'm not rejected :laugh:
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It's all a pysche out. My stats aren't as good as yours and my interviewer didn't say that. I know people with worse stats than both of us who have been accepted.

I think they just wanted to see what you would say . . .
 
SpAnKz89X said:
It's all a pysche out. My stats aren't as good as yours and my interviewer didn't say that. I know people with worse stats than both of us who have been accepted.

I think they just wanted to see what you would say . . .
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I guess it took me by surprise at first because everyone, including the medical students that gave us the tour, told me that Wayne was one of the easiest interviews ever...

What was weird is that my interview would ask me a question and then basically cut me off when I started to explain to tell me what he thought the answer should be.

I mean it's all by luck you know. Sometimes you just don't get a nice guy. Whatever, I actually held my cool pretty well but totally started crying on my way to the airport. The other interviewees were like omg our interviewer was super nice! A medical student actually talk to me outside and said some nice things so despite the crappy experience, the students really keep Wayne in my favor. I don't really want to judge a whole school just because I had one bad experience.

So side story, I'm crying talking on the phone to my bf and yelling things like "wtf, I hate this place, this was the worst interview every..", basically just venting. My driver starts to get worried b/c I'm crying. Then when I got off the phone, I apologized to him and he told me, "Don't worry, it's not the end of the world. Keep your hopes up." He then went on to tell me all his family lives in Port Au Prince and basically he hasn't had any contact with them. This was back in Jan when the earthquake just hit. That really put things into perspective for me, here I am crying about a humiliating interview, and the he basically is worrying about his entire family being alive or died.

Thought I would share. Sometimes we get so wrapped up in this whole medical school business that we forget to take a second and realize how lucky we all just really are. :luck:
 
Ilvcurst said:
I guess it took me by surprise at first because everyone, including the medical students that gave us the tour, told me that Wayne was one of the easiest interviews ever...

What was weird is that my interview would ask me a question and then basically cut me off when I started to explain to tell me what he thought the answer should be.

I mean it's all by luck you know. Sometimes you just don't get a nice guy. Whatever, I actually held my cool pretty well but totally started crying on my way to the airport. The other interviewees were like omg our interviewer was super nice! A medical student actually talk to me outside and said some nice things so despite the crappy experience, the students really keep Wayne in my favor. I don't really want to judge a whole school just because I had one bad experience.

So side story, I'm crying talking on the phone to my bf and yelling things like "wtf, I hate this place, this was the worst interview every..", basically just venting. My driver starts to get worried b/c I'm crying. Then when I got off the phone, I apologized to him and he told me, "Don't worry, it's not the end of the world. Keep your hopes up." He then went on to tell me all his family lives in Port Au Prince and basically he hasn't had any contact with them. This was back in Jan when the earthquake just hit. That really put things into perspective for me, here I am crying about a humiliating interview, and the he basically is worrying about his entire family being alive or died.

Thought I would share. Sometimes we get so wrapped up in this whole medical school business that we forget to take a second and realize how lucky we all just really are. :luck:
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Very true. I could have been waitlisted since October AND not be employed (in addition to not having any health insurance.)

Or not be in the best health since, well, ever.

So, yes, it could be worse.
 
4goneconclusion said:
With the DMC pulling away financial support, can we expect Wayne tuition to increase?
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tuition will undoubtedly increase, but thats the case with most med schools across the country. i just got my financial aid info for next year and tuition is set at ~$30k, which is up a grand from last year
im not sure how much financial support dmc actually gives to the school, i was always under the impression that the school pays them for rotation spots...

and with the whole wayne/dmc thing, each year they plan on signing a new contract to last 5 years, that means that for any entering class (assuming the contract gets renewed), they are guaranteed to have their rotation spots until the class graduates

as for the residency programs, the spots will still be there. what will be different is that instead of the school getting the money from the government and then giving it to dmc which then pays the residents, the flow of money will be government --> dmc --> residents. so it will pull out the wayne middle man which is the same flow of $$ for almost every med school/residency program across the country

so pretty much theres nothing thats different, except theyr changing up the way its administratively set up a little bit
 
The feds pay the DMC for residency spots. The DMC pays the Wayne State Physician group to train residents and care for patients.

I've been at Henry Ford as my clinical campus in this M3 year. HF is very interested in taking more students. The limiting factor is (interestingly enough) parking space as it is very limited right now. HF is a great place to train. The DMC has its benefits too as the patient population is like none other. Even Henry Ford's patient population is far better off (financially) than that of the DMC. The pathology you see at the DMC is far advanced and comorbidities are extensive.

HF and WSU are already building more research facilities together. Read here.
 
did anyone notice that their estimated cost of attendance is like ten thousand higher than the financial aid offer from the government (with no expected family/personal contribution)?
 
What financial aid offer from the govt are you talking about?
 
My government sub. & unsub. loans were approx. $10,000 short of COA. But I heard there is a grad-plus gov loan to cover the rest?
 
aussibean said:
My government sub. & unsub. loans were approx. $10,000 short of COA. But I heard there is a grad-plus gov loan to cover the rest?
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how do we get that loan? i saw something about it elsewhere as well
 
Oh my goodness...
I was accepted to Wayne State (yay!) a few months ago. I just got my expected cost for next year. Ouch. I was expecting something close to this and I have been looking for ways to pay for it, but I guess now that I have a definite figure it really hit me. I'm OOS so it's over $80K. Any other OOS students on here? How do you guys plan to pay for the extra amount that the federal loans won't pay for?
 
applying2010 said:
Oh my goodness...
I was accepted to Wayne State (yay!) a few months ago. I just got my expected cost for next year. Ouch. I was expecting something close to this and I have been looking for ways to pay for it, but I guess now that I have a definite figure it really hit me. I'm OOS so it's over $80K. Any other OOS students on here? How do you guys plan to pay for the extra amount that the federal loans won't pay for?
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Where are you from? I'm in the same position and I guess I'll just have to work the streets to make up for the difference 😛
 
applying2010 said:
HAHA... you read my mind! I'm from Atlanta. Where are you from?
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I'm from Cali. Maybe we can start up a student organization at Wayne State for OOS interested in reducing their medical student debt!
 
applying2010 said:
Oh my goodness...
I was accepted to Wayne State (yay!) a few months ago. I just got my expected cost for next year. Ouch. I was expecting something close to this and I have been looking for ways to pay for it, but I guess now that I have a definite figure it really hit me. I'm OOS so it's over $80K. Any other OOS students on here? How do you guys plan to pay for the extra amount that the federal loans won't pay for?
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Wow... you guys are getting raped!!! Ouch!
 
lejeunesage said:
Wow... you guys are getting raped!!! Ouch!
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What!! I thought it would be ~65K but over 80K? That is really crazy! Is that for all four years = $320k

It would be nice to get off the wait list but damn...I'm sure this will deter many who wanted to go there from OOS. Maybe we'll get more wait list movement.
 
Is Wayne one of these schools where you are just suppose to wait patiently?

Or are you suppose to bug them like some of the other schools to get off the wait list?

Could it hurt to write them an email a week?
 
On the waiting list letter from Wayne it says that my application will be withdrawn if I am matriculated into an allopathic or osteopathic school. Does being matriculated means that the school had made me a offer, I had made a deposit, so I had started taking classes? I am confused :/
 
Ilvcurst said:
What!! I thought it would be ~65K but over 80K? That is really crazy! Is that for all four years = $320k

It would be nice to get off the wait list but damn...I'm sure this will deter many who wanted to go there from OOS. Maybe we'll get more wait list movement.
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Tuition is only 🙂laugh🙂 ~60k. ~80 is what they estimate the total cost of 1 year of attendence to cost. In other words, tuition is ONLY DOUBLE what it is for IS but the rest will be the same assuming that IS will not be living at home.
 
Mcan said:
On the waiting list letter from Wayne it says that my application will be withdrawn if I am matriculated into an allopathic or osteopathic school. Does being matriculated means that the school had made me a offer, I had made a deposit, so I had started taking classes? I am confused :/
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its when you attend the first day of class for a medical school
 
Is Wayne State still sending out interview offers? Or are interviews done? I haven't heard from them since they notified me that they received my secondary application in february.. getting worried.. thanks!
 
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