I'm not taking this personally at all. I just don't think the kind of stereotyping that you're doing is right. I'm well aware you admitted it to it previously, but that doesn't mean it's right. It's pretty ridiculous to try to look up papers on this stuff, especially if it's just papers that state the obvious (Hey, as we get older and go to really tough grad programs, we'll go out less -....um, of course??). This'll happen at all med schools too, so it's not like your state school is full of people partying all the time. Why be so dead-set on looking down on those who want to have fun in their lives? Anyway, I don't wanna get into a huge argument and derail this thread, I just wish you'd have a bit more of an open mind with this process, especially since there's a lot of advantages to going to your state school ($$) and I doubt your class is going to be like your prediction.
I'd also like to point out that the plural form of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.
PS- I didn't quote this post because I'm talking to this user specifically, it was just referring to the topic at hand. PPS- I agree.
Hey guys,
Vandy 3rd year here. I haven't been on SDN in forever (Step 1 and third year will do that do you
😉) but do feel free to PM me with questions that haven't been answered already, and I'll try to come on here a little more when I can.
I've been reading some of the comments on here and I wanted to say something. This process is not at all predictable. It just isn't. You might think you know how you're coming off, but you don't. Stop trying to figure it out cause it's just pointless and frustrating.
Another point I wanted to make is that top 20 schools, while "research-focused" don't just look for research-focused people. I did a couple of years of clinical research, have absolutely terrible lab etiquette, and told them straight up that I had zero intention of ever pipetting anything. Let me tell you, I did not get in here because of my research skills. I also didn't spend every weekend studying every minute of the day. I was really involved in music, and international clubs, and poetry, and a couple of jobs and I didn't have a 4.0, far from it. And I'm in no way the exception here. The vast majority of my classmates are unique, multifaceted, brilliant people. Some love lab research, but many hate research in general. We have a bunch of majors, a bunch of countries represented, etc. There is zero reason to believe that being a 4.0 research nerd makes you more qualified to be at a "research school" than the athletes or the musicians or the writers or the economists. We don't sit around pushing our glasses up our noses and discussing how cool DNA is because this is a top 20 school. We do keg stands at tailgates and have awkward drunk conversations and have lives outside of school. We run marathons and sing in acappella groups and I don't think I've ever talked about my research projects with anyone, nor would it ever occur to me to bring it up. We don't talk about science and medicine 24/7, that's just boring. Research schools are interested in people who are intellectually curious, who want to be exceptional, who want to base their practice on evidence and data but who also want to innovate. That can look very differently depending on who you are and what your interests are. It's not high school anymore- it's not about the "jocks" and the "nerds" and the popular kids. It's about being surrounded by people who are as smart or smarter than you, and who have a bunch of different interests and passions. Instead of trying to group people into categories, I recommend you look around and let yourself be humbled by just how amazing all of your classmates are, regardless of what school you go to. You'll be liked more, and you'll be a better doctor for it.
Another point I'd like to make is to not get too stuck in the trappings of prestige. I cannot stress this enough- we ALL do the SAME things. Third year varies because hospitals vary, but the first two years are the same everywhere you go. You can become a plastic surgeon or a neurosurgeon regardless of where you go to med school. The earlier you realize this, the better.
And finally, I strongly suggest that you don't think of yourself as God's gift to med schools. Every year some people seem to think they're owed an acceptance somewhere. Get over yourself. So you worked hard in college? Have a cookie, so did everyone else. If you get into a state school, thank your lucky stars that you got in somewhere and prepare to work 10x harder than you ever had before, and to make worse grades than the muscly kid who never goes to lecture and somehow manages to get honors in everything anyway. That's how it is. And prepare yourself for the harsh reality of third year, when most of your grade is based on residents' subjective view of who you are, and you can spend every minute of the day in the library and still barely pass a rotation because your resident thought you were arrogant or annoying or awkward.