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  1. Detective SnowBucket

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    Sorry if this has been addressed but Im not going through 15 pages.
    I understand they will not be in the MSAR with real acceptance stats until next year but once they have a class I imagine they will put their class profile up on their own site. Any ideas on when they'll have decided on acceptances and finalize stats?
     
  2. Venusian

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    June 7th is the last interview date. July 9th is first day of classes. I am going to say around June 30th, all should be finalized.
     
  3. euronsilence

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    i wouldnt be surprised if they are focusing on applicants who as of yet do not hold a MD acceptance.
     
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    Oh wait, there's a 2 week summer break. I guess we'll have to work 15-20 hrs a day then to do enough research for a pub lol. I don't think research during rotations will be that feasible especially if they have shelf exams. If you're trying to match ortho in 3 years, it would be in the same place you rotated in and with the same preceptors you worked with thus you could just get in by reccomendation of one of the orthos that already works there. There would be a hell of a big influence from LORs then in that case.

    My question is, when do you even find out about the pre-match? If you have to apply at the end of 3rd year, that means you're on par with everyone else you entered with across the nation. You don't take step 2 until almost May of 3rd year. Maybe they'll fast track it? Or maybe we would apply the end of 2nd year which makes no sense to me but who knows
     
  5. Detective SnowBucket

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    Wait, you're telling me that there are people who could interview....then start class. Two. Days. Later.
     
  6. RecklessStarfish

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    Different months.

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  7. Detective SnowBucket

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    Whooops, didn't even notice
     
  8. ItsAMeMario007

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    Wait, you're telling me that June 7th is. Two. Days. Before. July 9th?

    Edit: someone beat me to it. Anyways, bad observational skills Detective SnowBucket. JK.
     
  9. 7331poas

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    Doing a 4th year isnt a research year. I do not know why you guys keep calling it that. The 4th generally has rotations and sub-I's that students go through. A "research year" is a 5th medical school year where you literally just do research.
     
  10. Fracture

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    Yeah, it would be impossible to publish in two weeks, as far as I know.

    Yeah, I 100% don't plan on doing research during rotations. There just isn't enough time, for the most part.

    I agree with you about the letters.

    Yeah, I'm really not sure how the pre-match process will go. Hopefully they work it out in a way that makes sense.
     
  11. Fracture

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    In this curriculum, it appears that they give you the option to make your fourth year a research year. I assume that's what they mean by "Research--Intensive Concentrations". I believe that the idea is that they've condensed the curriculum enough so that you would have done all of the typical fourth year stuff by the end of third year.

    Also, it's not necessarily a fifth year in general. Like I said before, it could be done between M2/M3 or M3/M4 at other schools. Research done in the fifth year is usually for people that didn't match the first time around. It's either that, or a prelim year.
     
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    Did they reply to your call or email? I called and emailed and didn't get any reply yet
     
  13. 7331poas

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    When I say fifth year I mean extra year. For instance at yale, most students do a "fifth year" after their 3rd year. That even explicitly refer to it as a "fifth year".

    But it is nice to see that they have condensed the curriculum that much.
     
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  14. 7331poas

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    Do we know if the school is pass/fail yet?
     
  15. adrober7

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    I got an interview invite 2 days ago (LM ~75 from Arizona) and sent an email that night. Yesterday I called and left a message. I have yet to hear back but I imagine they are just flooded with inquiries right now. I mean, they won't withdraw an interview invite right? Hope it works out!
     
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    They didn’t respond to the email, but responded to the voicemail and called me back
     
  17. 7331poas

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    I would shoot another email and make sure you got the right address. I emailed them today about a similar thing and they got back to me within 1 hour.

    But do keep in mind they close at 5 eastern
     
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    Thanks, I went ahead and left another message/sent another email. And yeah, the previous emails/messages (including those today) were at around 5 PM or later. I am afraid that the messages are getting lost. I'll probably call again and email tomorrow morning. Well before closing lol
     
  19. Mistasunshine

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    Yes they did say it is pass fail grading
     
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    Mandatory lectures?
     
  21. Mistasunshine

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    They have an active learning curriculum consisting of pre-work for TBL and PBL sessions which are mandatory, no traditional lectures.
     
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    for all three (or four) years?
     
  23. 7331poas

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    There is no school in the US that is pass fail all 4 years.
     
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    The third year is clerkships which should have Honors, High Pass, Pass, and Fail as grades.
     
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    Clerkships start in the second year here. Preclinical is 16 mos. straight through. Step 1 after clerkships.
     
  26. humblethinker

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    that is a really condensed preclinical curriculum ---- Step 1 after clerkships sounds awesome though.
     
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    You also only get a 2 week summer vacation for what it's worth. That also doesn't leave much time for extracurriculars like research. Step 2 is also taken several weeks after step 1
     
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    For someone that has no interest in a long summer off, I can view that as a benefit
     
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    Did they reply to your email or call yet?
     
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    Taking step 1 so late in the game could also be a disadvantage for applying to certain residencies.
     
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    no way that is true. Plenty of schools take step 1 after 3rd year. Yale for instance. I think they match just fine.
     
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    Ah, let me clarify. I believe that taking step 1 after 3rd year is really good and will allow you to score well on Step 1 and match well. However, for those people that want to go straight into residency after internship after medical school, taking the step 1 so late will cause you to miss out on the match that year so you will need to wait for an extra year. Most people take a research or gap year on those tough residencies so it won't matter to them anyway but that's what I meant - not being able to move directly into residency after internship year.
     
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    What they mean is that you could be preparing for an ortho residency for example by doing a ton of research only to later find out that you got a 225 for example at which point you’d completely have to change your career plans and start preparing for a different residency very late in the process
     
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    Phase 1: Fundamentals - 16 months
    Phase 2: Clerkships - 13 months
    Step 1 - 1.5 months
    Adv. Clin. Rotations - 2.5 months
    Step 2 - 1 month
    Adv. Clin. Rotations - 1 month
    Total - 35 months
     
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    If you have a 225 then you wont need to "prepare" for the residencies that are available to you.

    Taking step 1 after clerkships makes no difference, you still have the option to schedule Sub-I's based on your score.
     
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    Let me put it a different way. No one wants to really pursue derm until they score a 260 on step. By that time you’d never have enough time to demonstrate a commitment to derm with productive research in the field of you decided right after step
     
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    ok. if you wait till the end of 2nd year to take the step 1 like other schools you will be only 4 months ahead of at Seton Hall due to the curriculum.
     
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    No that's when dedicated step study starts. So if you include the 1.5 months of study and the 3-4 weeks to get your score its more like 6.5 months later than a more traditional curriculum. No exactly a trivial difference
     
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    You conveniently left off the "dedicated" study for the traditional curriculum. Sick.

    Its laughable that you make this argument when i actually interviewed at yale and met a derm applicant who said "its no issue, and in fact the step 1 date helped me".
     
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    They also said that the program is pretty flexible so Im assuming they may let you do the research year right after STEP 1if you decide on a field that is more competitive and likes to see research output before applying. Not confirmed but I dont see how that would really be a big ordeal with them. Its kinda what Duke does where their 3rd year is a pure research year built right in.
     
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    Y'all are arguing about Step 1 and residency when no one has even been accepted yet...
     
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    Also on the topic of STEP, did anybody who interviewed ask if the exams are going to be similar to STEP style or more in house exams?
     
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    No I didn't. Might want to check your math before sounding so bitter. Most students at a school with a more traditional curriculum take step in May. Seton Hall starts in July so you wouldn't even start studying for step until december. And if you're so high and mighty then why are you even here on this thread? You comparing an established top 10 school to a brand new school is the only thing that's laughable
     
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    Everybody take a deep breath


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    what does that have to do with anything? A top 10 school is better suited for step 1 after 2.5 years than Seton hall is prepared for step 1 after 2.5 years?
     
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    Better suited for a successful match, yes. The average step 1 score at yale is 241. That, its reputation and research opportunities mean most students will get whatever residency their heart desires.

    The people I see being at a disadvantage with seton hall's curriculum are those who weren't 85%+ scorers and don't consider themselves great test takers and as a result didn't consider any competitive specialties from day one.
     
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    No, they haven't. I left more messages and sent more emails today, making sure they were sent while the school was open. I hate to "flood" them, but I sent an email Monday with no reply, whereas some sent messages yesterday and heard back the same day. But three days out of the official invitation, I am getting a bit nervous.
     

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