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7331poas said:
Doing a 4th year isnt a research year. I do not know why you guys keep calling it that. The 4th generally has rotations and sub-I's that students go through. A "research year" is a 5th medical school year where you literally just do research.
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In this curriculum, it appears that they give you the option to make your fourth year a research year. I assume that's what they mean by "Research--Intensive Concentrations". I believe that the idea is that they've condensed the curriculum enough so that you would have done all of the typical fourth year stuff by the end of third year.

Also, it's not necessarily a fifth year in general. Like I said before, it could be done between M2/M3 or M3/M4 at other schools. Research done in the fifth year is usually for people that didn't match the first time around. It's either that, or a prelim year.
 
Fracture said:
In this curriculum, it appears that they give you the option to make your fourth year a research year. I assume that's what they mean by "Research--Intensive Concentrations". I believe that the idea is that they've condensed the curriculum enough so that you would have done all of the typical fourth year stuff by the end of third year.

Also, it's not necessarily a fifth year in general. Like I said before, it could be done between M2/M3 or M3/M4 at other schools. Research done in the fifth year is usually for people that didn't match the first time around. It's either that, or a prelim year.
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When I say fifth year I mean extra year. For instance at yale, most students do a "fifth year" after their 3rd year. That even explicitly refer to it as a "fifth year".

But it is nice to see that they have condensed the curriculum that much.
 
I got an interview invite 2 days ago (LM ~75 from Arizona) and sent an email that night. Yesterday I called and left a message. I have yet to hear back but I imagine they are just flooded with inquiries right now. I mean, they won't withdraw an interview invite right? Hope it works out!
 
adrober7 said:
I got an interview invite 2 days ago (LM ~75 from Arizona) and sent an email that night. Yesterday I called and left a message. I have yet to hear back but I imagine they are just flooded with inquiries right now. I mean, they won't withdraw an interview invite right? Hope it works out!
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I would shoot another email and make sure you got the right address. I emailed them today about a similar thing and they got back to me within 1 hour.

But do keep in mind they close at 5 eastern
 
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7331poas said:
But do keep in mind they close at 5 eastern
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Thanks, I went ahead and left another message/sent another email. And yeah, the previous emails/messages (including those today) were at around 5 PM or later. I am afraid that the messages are getting lost. I'll probably call again and email tomorrow morning. Well before closing lol
 
Asherawh said:
The third year is clerkships which should have Honors, High Pass, Pass, and Fail as grades.
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Clerkships start in the second year here. Preclinical is 16 mos. straight through. Step 1 after clerkships.
 
humblethinker said:
that is a really condensed preclinical curriculum ---- Step 1 after clerkships sounds awesome though.
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You also only get a 2 week summer vacation for what it's worth. That also doesn't leave much time for extracurriculars like research. Step 2 is also taken several weeks after step 1
 
adrober7 said:
Thanks, I went ahead and left another message/sent another email. And yeah, the previous emails/messages (including those today) were at around 5 PM or later. I am afraid that the messages are getting lost. I'll probably call again and email tomorrow morning. Well before closing lol
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Did they reply to your email or call yet?
 
Asherawh said:
Taking step 1 so late in the game could also be a disadvantage for applying to certain residencies.
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no way that is true. Plenty of schools take step 1 after 3rd year. Yale for instance. I think they match just fine.
 
7331poas said:
no way that is true. Plenty of schools take step 1 after 3rd year. Yale for instance. I think they match just fine.
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Ah, let me clarify. I believe that taking step 1 after 3rd year is really good and will allow you to score well on Step 1 and match well. However, for those people that want to go straight into residency after internship after medical school, taking the step 1 so late will cause you to miss out on the match that year so you will need to wait for an extra year. Most people take a research or gap year on those tough residencies so it won't matter to them anyway but that's what I meant - not being able to move directly into residency after internship year.
 
7331poas said:
no way that is true. Plenty of schools take step 1 after 3rd year. Yale for instance. I think they match just fine.
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What they mean is that you could be preparing for an ortho residency for example by doing a ton of research only to later find out that you got a 225 for example at which point you’d completely have to change your career plans and start preparing for a different residency very late in the process
 
itsadisastah said:
Clerkships start in the second year here. Preclinical is 16 mos. straight through. Step 1 after clerkships.
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Phase 1: Fundamentals - 16 months
Phase 2: Clerkships - 13 months
Step 1 - 1.5 months
Adv. Clin. Rotations - 2.5 months
Step 2 - 1 month
Adv. Clin. Rotations - 1 month
Total - 35 months
 
LavarBall said:
What they mean is that you could be preparing for an ortho residency for example by doing a ton of research only to later find out that you got a 225 for example at which point you’d completely have to change your career plans and start preparing for a different residency very late in the process
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If you have a 225 then you wont need to "prepare" for the residencies that are available to you.

Taking step 1 after clerkships makes no difference, you still have the option to schedule Sub-I's based on your score.
 
7331poas said:
If you have a 225 then you wont need to "prepare" for the residencies that are available to you.

Taking step 1 after clerkships makes no difference, you still have the option to schedule Sub-I's based on your score.
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Let me put it a different way. No one wants to really pursue derm until they score a 260 on step. By that time you’d never have enough time to demonstrate a commitment to derm with productive research in the field of you decided right after step
 
LavarBall said:
Let me put it a different way. No one wants to really pursue derm until they score a 260 on step. By that time you’d never have enough time to demonstrate a commitment to derm with productive research in the field of you decided right after step
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ok. if you wait till the end of 2nd year to take the step 1 like other schools you will be only 4 months ahead of at Seton Hall due to the curriculum.
 
7331poas said:
ok. if you wait till the end of 2nd year to take the step 1 like other schools you will be only 4 months ahead of at Seton Hall due to the curriculum.
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No that's when dedicated step study starts. So if you include the 1.5 months of study and the 3-4 weeks to get your score its more like 6.5 months later than a more traditional curriculum. No exactly a trivial difference
 
LavarBall said:
No that's when dedicated step study starts. So if you include the 1.5 months of study and the 3-4 weeks to get your score its more like 6.5 months later than a more traditional curriculum. No exactly a trivial difference
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You conveniently left off the "dedicated" study for the traditional curriculum. Sick.

Its laughable that you make this argument when i actually interviewed at yale and met a derm applicant who said "its no issue, and in fact the step 1 date helped me".
 
LavarBall said:
Dude seriously? You completely missed the point
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They also said that the program is pretty flexible so Im assuming they may let you do the research year right after STEP 1if you decide on a field that is more competitive and likes to see research output before applying. Not confirmed but I dont see how that would really be a big ordeal with them. Its kinda what Duke does where their 3rd year is a pure research year built right in.
 
Also on the topic of STEP, did anybody who interviewed ask if the exams are going to be similar to STEP style or more in house exams?
 
7331poas said:
You conveniently left off the "dedicated" study for the traditional curriculum. Sick.

Its laughable that you make this argument when i actually interviewed at yale and met a derm applicant who said "its no issue, and in fact the step 1 date helped me".
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No I didn't. Might want to check your math before sounding so bitter. Most students at a school with a more traditional curriculum take step in May. Seton Hall starts in July so you wouldn't even start studying for step until december. And if you're so high and mighty then why are you even here on this thread? You comparing an established top 10 school to a brand new school is the only thing that's laughable
 
LavarBall said:
You comparing an established top 10 school to a brand new school
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what does that have to do with anything? A top 10 school is better suited for step 1 after 2.5 years than Seton hall is prepared for step 1 after 2.5 years?
 
7331poas said:
what does that have to do with anything? A top 10 school is better suited for step 1 after 2.5 years than Seton hall is prepared for step 1 after 2.5 years?
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Better suited for a successful match, yes. The average step 1 score at yale is 241. That, its reputation and research opportunities mean most students will get whatever residency their heart desires.

The people I see being at a disadvantage with seton hall's curriculum are those who weren't 85%+ scorers and don't consider themselves great test takers and as a result didn't consider any competitive specialties from day one.
 
medschoolbro said:
Did they reply to your email or call yet?
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No, they haven't. I left more messages and sent more emails today, making sure they were sent while the school was open. I hate to "flood" them, but I sent an email Monday with no reply, whereas some sent messages yesterday and heard back the same day. But three days out of the official invitation, I am getting a bit nervous.
 
adrober7 said:
No, they haven't. I left more messages and sent more emails today, making sure they were sent while the school was open. I hate to "flood" them, but I sent an email Monday with no reply, whereas some sent messages yesterday and heard back the same day. But three days out of the official invitation, I am getting a bit nervous.
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Yea I’m in the same situation
 
adrober7 said:
No, they haven't. I left more messages and sent more emails today, making sure they were sent while the school was open. I hate to "flood" them, but I sent an email Monday with no reply, whereas some sent messages yesterday and heard back the same day. But three days out of the official invitation, I am getting a bit nervous.
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They left you a voicemail with a different callback number with the II?
 
buckoh24 said:
Also on the topic of STEP, did anybody who interviewed ask if the exams are going to be similar to STEP style or more in house exams?
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For anyone who actually ends up getting the chance to ask, you should ask if the exams are NBME style, how often to expect them and whether we would get access to Uworld type stuff for free. Oh and also if their shelf exams are NBME style
 
medschoolzombie said:
Well I guess all of us who are gunning for ortho, optho, ent, or the other competitive specialties don't have to worry about finishing in 3 years then lol
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Exactly. Everyone worried about nonsense in this thread.

This school actually wants to keep their students and serve NJ, and that's admirable. Their curriculum is built around that. Anyone that views that as a negative has their priorities in the wrong place.
 
medschoolbro said:
Yea I called that other number and left a voicemail but they didnt call back. How long did it take for them to respond to your voicemail?
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I haven't gotten a II, I was just going based off what a prior poster, Squeaks, noted.
Hopefully you guys hear back. Today is interview day so they might be busy till later in the afternoon
 
DelayedGratification said:
They left you a voicemail with a different callback number with the II?
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I was left a voicemail for an II. They said I was selected for an interview and they wanted to confirm my availability. The number given to me in the message was the number to the answering service for the medical school. I was told to, alternatively, email admissions.
 
DelayedGratification said:
Exactly. Everyone worried about nonsense in this thread.

This school actually wants to keep their students and serve NJ, and that's admirable. Their curriculum is built around that. Anyone that views that as a negative has their priorities in the wrong place.
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I hope they get more in-house residencies before the first class has to start matching. Besides the one derm residency that's still pending, all the others are in primary care, IM or the non competitive residencies which is odd since they're ranked in the top 50 for specialties like ortho and neurosurg. They might be able to retain more people that way too
 
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