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Also for MD/Phd it isn't a "google-able" thing so
Asking on this (predominantly MD-only) thread probably isn’t going to yield anything useful. I would consult the MD/PhD forums, but even then there might not be a good answer to your question.
 
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Asking on this (predominantly MD-only) thread probably isn’t going to yield anything useful. I would consult the MD/PhD forums, but even then there might not be a good answer to your question.
fair enough :)
 
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This tweet relates more to those who have not interviewed. Notice she says that they will be reviewing through the end of the year, which wouldn’t make sense for people who have already received an II since they interview into February. So if you already interviewed and are now deferred, your cycle isn’t over til April or May.
Thank you for your response!
 
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fair enough :)
What I do when evaluating MD/PhD programs is look at where ppl are matching for residency. I personally think though that as long as you are at top 20 it shouldn’t make a huge difference. I would prioritize where you fit in best, where you think you’ll be the happiest, and make sure there are at least a few labs doing research that really interest you. (Just how I am going about the MSTP process )
 
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Hi everyone! I was wondering if you guys could help me strategize based on what admissions posted here: . UMich is one of my top schools, and I was recently deferred in their last batch. They mentioned that we should send update letters, but I already sent an update letter before my deferral.

Should I sent a letter of interest or intent before the interview cycle ends? I know I won’t have any important updates till the end of the cycle, but I still want them to know that I'm really interested since others will also be sending updates. Also, does anyone know if they accept LOIs? I would love some advice. Thank you for your help :)
In the same boat, and had not yet sent an update letter, so am sending a LOI with updates .... The school seemed a great fit for me and I hope vice versa!
 
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Do we think with the 3 dates left they will only send out 6 interviews per Michigan Monday so only 18 more interviews? Based on the numbers, it would seem like there are almost 100 interview spots left but that seems wrong?
There are multiple Michigan Mondays left though, so even if they do 6 per Monday they'll probably have 50-60 more II's in December and January.
 
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Would it be weird to send an update that says that I have submitted two papers? ... They have not yet been accepted yet by the paper, but are in submission....
 
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That would make me sad. They got significantly more apps this year than what was given on their 5 year average sheet.
 
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That would make me sad. They got significantly more apps this year than what was given on their 5 year average sheet.
The number of IIs is driven by expected yield (and, of course, by number of seats they have to fill), not by number of apps. I think many schools saw their yields increase last year under the new protocols, so some are realizing they don't need to interview quite so many applicants in order to get to the number of As required to fill their classes.
 
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The number of IIs is driven by expected yield (and, of course, by number of seats they have to fill), not by number of apps. I think many schools saw their yields increase last year under the new protocols, so some are realizing they don't need to interview quite so many applicants in order to get to the number of As required to fill their classes.
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The number of IIs is driven by expected yield (and, of course, by number of seats they have to fill), not by number of apps. I think many schools saw their yields increase last year under the new protocols, so some are realizing they don't need to interview quite so many applicants in order to get to the number of As required to fill their classes.
Number of interviews never correlated with Yield for planned attendance.
Some schools have IIs offered significantly exceed #Acceptances/yield , while other schools cut it much closer. Seems arbitrary. Compare NYU, Michigan, Feinberg, Harvard, Michigan, Columbia, Cornell. Post II acceptance rates (A’s/interviews) highly varies, and the rate already takes into account yield.
 

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The number of IIs is driven by expected yield (and, of course, by number of seats they have to fill), not by number of apps. I think many schools saw their yields increase last year under the new protocols, so some are realizing they don't need to interview quite so many applicants in order to get to the number of As required to fill their classes.
Just curious, how did the new protocols increase yield? That’s pretty interesting and I didn’t know that
 
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Just curious, how did the new protocols increase yield? That’s pretty interesting and I didn’t know that
It's not an absolute fact, but rather, more of a theory. Check out last year's WL support thread for more details.

In a nutshell, schools used to have a tool called the Multiple Acceptance Report that allowed them to see what other schools their accepted candidates held As at. Data developed over many years allowed schools to pretty accurately determine their yield based on this information, so they were able to offer As above and beyond the number of seats they needed to fill with a high level of confidence that they would not be over accepting.

The new protocols coincided with a revamping of the so-called traffic rules that also involved the elimination of the MAR. This caused adcoms to be more conservative in the number of As they issued, since they had no idea where else their acceptees held As, so they didn't know what their yield would look like. Everyone who might had an A in the past but did not get one last year was placed on the WL, along with everyone who would have been on the WL even in prior years (i.e., less As and more WLs). This caused a lot of angst on the thread last year, as people were speculating when the great wave of WL movement would occur. It never really came.

There was WL movement last year, but, if anything, it was less than in prior years (and with more people than ever before on the WL). The theory comes down to basic math -- less initial As led to less people holding fewer multiple As, which led to higher yields (candidates had fewer choices, and, thus, fewer As to turn down), less seats eventually opening up, and less WL movement. The same number of seats were ultimately filled with fewer initial As and somewhat higher yields than in years past. An apparently unintended consequence of the new protocols that, in general, benefited schools, to the detriment of applicants, who ended up having fewer choices and less freedom of movement, as early CTE deadlines at some schools forced them to withdraw from WLs they would have been allowed to remain on in prior years.

This has not yet been confirmed by published numbers, but it appears to be what happened anecdotally through reporting here on SDN.
 
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It's not an absolute fact, but rather, more of a theory. Check out last year's WL support thread for more details.

In a nutshell, schools used to have a tool called the Multiple Acceptance Report that allowed them to see what other schools their accepted candidates held As at. Data developed over many years allowed schools to pretty accurately determine their yield based on this information, so they were able to offer As above and beyond the number of seats they needed to fill with a high level of confidence that they would not be over accepting.

The new protocols coincided with a revamping of the so-called traffic rules that also involved the elimination of the MAR. This caused adcoms to be more conservative in the number of As they issued, since they had no idea where else their acceptees held As, so they didn't know what their yield would look like. Everyone who might had an A in the past but did not get one last year was placed on the WL, along with everyone who would have been on the WL even in prior years (i.e., less As and more WLs). This caused a lot of angst on the thread last year, as people were speculating when the great wave of WL movement would occur. It never really came.

There was WL movement last year, but, if anything, it was less than in prior years (and with more people than ever before on the WL). The theory comes down to basic math -- less initial As led to less people holding fewer multiple As, which led to higher yields (candidates had fewer choices, and, thus, fewer As to turn down), less seats eventually opening up, and less WL movement. The same number of seats were ultimately filled with fewer initial As and somewhat higher yields than in years past. An apparently unintended consequence of the new protocols that, in general, benefited schools, to the detriment of applicants, who ended up having fewer choices and less freedom of movement, as early CTE deadlines at some schools forced them to withdraw from WLs they would have been allowed to remain on in prior years.

This has not yet been confirmed by published numbers, but it appears to be what happened anecdotally through reporting here on SDN.
Wow thanks for the detailed response! I will definitely have to look into that thread over winter break but that’s good to know!
 
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Are there any med students out there that could speak to the culture on clinical rotations? How hands on are you as a med student? Are your treated well? Any info would be great! Feel free to PM me if you are not comfortable posting online.
 

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Add me to the "R" pile. Good luck everyone who's left!
 
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Reapplicant checking in. Received my rejection from umich med the Friday before Christmas 2 years ago rip. Also Umich alum, makes the rejection hurt more
 
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Hey hey Michigan doubled their michigan monday iis today!... To 13.
They have already given out 220 admits, so frankly I'm surprised they are still giving any new ii's
do you think they will give out more next Monday, or do you think today basically concludes their ii's? :(
 
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do you think they will give out more next Monday, or do you think today basically concludes their ii's? :(
The admissions office will be closed from 12/23 to 01/01 so I doubt any more II’s will be sent out until after the New Year.

Hoping some of us hear back then!
 
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The admissions office will be closed from 12/23 to 01/01 so I doubt any more II’s will be sent out until after the New Year.

Hoping some of us hear back then!
oh yeah oops, thats what i meant...but yeah hoping after the new years they send out a few more ii's. fingers crossed
 
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