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I thought I'd weigh in here about NYU's COVID question, since I've been working at a community hospital throughout the COVID pandemic. Physicians shouldn't be entitled to hazard pay unless the nurses, nurse assistants, respiratory therapists, and environmental associates are also getting hazard pay. Docs spend a few minutes at a time with these patients, while the allied health professionals may spend literally hours with them. Yes, most residents have student debt and only make ~60K per year. But to be honest, they will recover financially if they lose time from work or have healthcare expenses. Almost all other allied health professionals make much less than this, and financial recovery would be much more difficult.
Our health system lost 50 million dollars in just a few months due to canceled elective surgeries. All managers and administrators took a pay cut. Nobody was getting hazard pay, and I didn't hear a word of complaint from ANYONE. When you're watching patients (who are your neighbors and family members) die around you, it tends to put things in perspective. When one of our ICU physicians got COVID and was hospitalized, he didn't complain that he wasn't financially remunerated for his risk. He was upset that he had to miss work and wasn't able to help patients during that time.
Seriously, people. If you want to be a doctor for the money, you're doing it for the wrong reason. Some people have lost everything because of COVID.
 
VNLP said:
Physicians shouldn't be entitled to hazard pay unless the nurses, nurse assistants, respiratory therapists, and environmental associates are also getting hazard pay
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ALL front-line health workers should be receiving hazard pay. However, the situation arose specifically because many allied health professionals (e.g. nurses) were being offered significant hazard pay meanwhile residents/fellows/attendings were not.

VNLP said:
Almost all other allied health professionals make much less than this, and financial recovery would be much more difficult.
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imo, this is really the heart of the issue. Offering hazard pay to physicians must be expensive just because salaries are already relatively high. Regardless, it is unforgivable to not offer hazard pay at the very least to residents and fellows, whose salaries are more in line with that of other non-physician health pros. And it should really be offered to everyone coming in, regardless of the cost. At the end of the day these are the people who are putting their lives and their family's at risk for the greater good. Why is there so much reluctance from hospital administration towards just doing the right thing? And how can you defend the administration's actions which negatively impact your colleagues?

VNLP said:
Our health system lost 50 million dollars in just a few months due to canceled elective surgeries
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This really speaks to how scared the population was and how little we knew about the virus at the time; the same time during which physicians and health professionals were going into work because they just wanted to help. My health systems hemorrhaged money too, but what about all the leftover cash from all those other years when things have been going great and we've been bringing in record revenue? Suddenly disappeared? Or perhaps the hospital doesn't want to lose any more money because they're a business who only cares about the bottom line?

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All managers and administrators took a pay cut.
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Categorically false. Maybe at your hospital, but I worked at 5 different hospitals throughout this pandemic. Some community, some private. The closest any of the administrators ever got to a pay cut was an optional one for high earners. Some CEOs didn't take bonuses but some did. The first thing to get cut however were employee benefits. I'll live without their retirement contributions, but the 60 y/o janitor who immigrated here 5 years ago and works two full-time jobs is going to feel it a lot.

We are not talking about some mom-and-pop shop that is barely staying afloat, we're talking about a multi-billion dollar industry where executives are raking in millions of dollars but are simply unwilling to set aside some cash for workers. Every day, my email is flooded with "thank you" videos and inspirational messages and all the feel good stuff. Unfortunately, my landlord doesn't yet accept hugs as my rent payment.

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Nobody was getting hazard pay
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False. Nurses were receiving lots of it. Some hospitals gave it to many (or all) healthcare workers. And many, many executives were making the same 6-figure salaries and lucrative bonuses while working from the comfort and safety of home. Don't get me wrong, they worked hard to get where they're at and I'm happy for them! But I'm exhausted of seeing their hypocrisy ooze out with every thank you message/video/activity where all they have to offer is lip service, some cheap screen-printed Hanes and lukewarm coffee. Give me a ****ing break.

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Seriously, people. If you want to be a doctor for the money, you're doing it for the wrong reason. Some people have lost everything because of COVID.
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This is the part of your post that angers me the most. Do you actually think residents/fellows/attendings are being greedy for asking for hazard pay? But you don't think hospital executives are being greedy by withholding said hazard pay, or by continuing to make their exorbitantly high salaries and bonuses? Do you think when COVID hit that physicians just woke up one morning and said "wow today is going to be such a great day, I can't wait to make money off all these sick people" ????? Nobody was asking for 10 zillion dollars in renumeration or thinking that they were suddenly going to get rich off hazard pay.

It is inconceivable to me that hospital executives are okay with doing stuff like this. This kind of attitude is the same one that told people to shut up about inadequate PPE because of "professionalism" and threatened to fire people who reported about it.

Allow me to provide you with some advice my friend: look out for yourself. If you think the hospital cares about you, you are wrong. They know where your heart lies and they're using it to exploit you. They know you won't walk away from patients or just not show up to work. If you die, they will send a "RIP" email about how great you were and move on. In their eyes, we are replaceable.
 
Interviewed first wave here last cycle but didn’t get one yet for this cycle 🙁 Worried I might've screwed up lol
 
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Still filling out the secondary :laugh:

For the fluctuations in academic record, did anyone take that to mean only a downward dip in GPA?
Or can it apply to my situation where I started with a 2.9 freshman year and improved to a 4.0 the rest of college?

Feel like fluctuation implies a U shaped trend but I'm curious what others put. Thanks!
 
2.9GPA said:
Still filling out the secondary :laugh:

For the fluctuations in academic record, did anyone take that to mean only a downward dip in GPA?
Or can it apply to my situation where I started with a 2.9 freshman year and improved to a 4.0 the rest of college?

Feel like fluctuation implies a U shaped trend but I'm curious what others put. Thanks!
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I did not write about my upward trend, because as you're alluding to, a trend is not a fluctuation. I think a fluctuation would be an unexplained dip.
 
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Finishing up my secondary. The question on where I see my career... can I get a hand with that? I don't know what type of medicine I'd like to practice. I think maybe something procedural/ surgical since I love working with my hands. I'm interested in GI. I'm interested in surgery. I could be talked into most anything at this point though. I've been sitting in this question for a while, not quite sure where to go with it. Any help is appreciated.
 
Kayak_Croc said:
Finishing up my secondary. The question on where I see my career... can I get a hand with that? I don't know what type of medicine I'd like to practice. I think maybe something procedural/ surgical since I love working with my hands. I'm interested in GI. I'm interested in surgery. I could be talked into most anything at this point though. I've been sitting in this question for a while, not quite sure where to go with it. Any help is appreciated.
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Tbh, if you're not sure what you want, I would just pick something that aligns with the rest of your application and can be supported by the activities that you've done. It also doesn't have to be about a specific specialty. You can talk about setting (urban, rural), academic vs. non-academic, certain patient population, interdisciplines (public health, policy, business, etc.)
 
Local-Chef said:
Interviewed first wave here last cycle but didn’t get one yet for this cycle 🙁 Worried I might've screwed up lol
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I doubt you would've screwed up but, given their unique status, does anyone happen to know whether they interview anyone who was interviewed and rejected in a prior cycle? Maybe that's the issue and it's totally beyond your control?
 
KnightDoc said:
I doubt you would've screwed up but, given their unique status, does anyone happen to know whether they interview anyone who was interviewed and rejected in a prior cycle? Maybe that's the issue and it's totally beyond your control?
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Maybe. But I was waitlisted so not like I messed up enough to just be rejected off the bat. So idk
 
Local-Chef said:
Maybe. But I was waitlisted so not like I messed up enough to just be rejected off the bat. So idk
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I don't know enough about it, and I'm not applying until next year.

It just seems to me that, with free tuition and T10, it's everyone's lottery ticket. I'm sure you didn't mess up at all. The question is whether they have a policy of not interviewing people they have already seen. I realize most schools don't do that, but, then again, NYU is not most schools.

I know some schools have a policy of not allowing you to apply more than twice, and strongly suggest that you don't apply back to back, so I wouldn't put it past any school slammed with applications and offering free tuition to all to have a soft policy like this. Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely no idea whether or not this is the case, and I'm sure it's way too early at the end of September to be assuming the worst.

I'm just asking the question and suggesting that if you don't get an II this year after receiving one last year, this could be a reason why, in which case you should resist the urge to beat yourself up because, if it happens, it was always out of your hands and there was never anything you could do to change it. That said, I really hope you get an II so that we could know definitively that this does not happen.
 
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Congrats to everyone getting iis! So I'm seeing some very late complete dates.. can we generally assume that if ours was in early no news is bad news?
 
sr4b said:
Congrats to everyone getting iis! So I'm seeing some very late complete dates.. can we generally assume that if ours was in early no news is bad news?
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Or, no news is no news. As has been repeated umpteen times, no matter how many times people choose to ignore it, and how many times people ask for complete dates whenever any action is reported, APPLICATIONS ARE NOT REVIEWED CHRONOLOGICALLY!!!!!!!
 
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sr4b said:
Congrats to everyone getting iis! So I'm seeing some very late complete dates.. can we generally assume that if ours was in early no news is bad news?
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it seems like there are a similar number of early (July) and "late" (Sept) complete dates that got II's today though? I was complete 7/16 and I'm still hopeful
 
4573890 said:
it seems like there are a similar number of early (July) and "late" (Sept) complete dates that got II's today though? I was complete 7/16 and I'm still hopeful
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No reason not to be. All not hearing means is that you are in a pile that hasn't been reviewed yet, or your app is with a reviewer who is slower than others, or maybe you were actually reviewed and put aside, maybe for consideration later, or not. You have no way to know which situation applies to you, so there is no reason not to be optimistic until they are done issuing IIs.

Pretty much all school threads have stories of people being complete in July-August and not receiving IIs until December or even early the next year. Of course, the odds of an II decrease as time marches on, but late September is way too early to give up on any school. Common wisdom is to start to get concerned around Thanksgiving, not before. JMHO. Good luck!!!
 
4573890 said:
it seems like there are a similar number of early (July) and "late" (Sept) complete dates that got II's today though? I was complete 7/16 and I'm still hopeful
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That's a good point! Hard to not speculate (and catastrophize) during this process haha
 
sr4b said:
Congrats to everyone getting iis! So I'm seeing some very late complete dates.. can we generally assume that if ours was in early no news is bad news?
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I was complete 7/24! Keep your chin up!!!
 
KnightDoc said:
Or, no news is no news. As has been repeated umpteen times, no matter how many times people choose to ignore it, and how many times people ask for complete dates whenever any action is reported, APPLICATIONS ARE NOT REVIEWED CHRONOLOGICALLY!!!!!!! Anywhere.
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That's not correct. At some schools, applications are indeed reviewed chronologically. BUSM's complete email explicitly states, "Applications are reviewed in the order in which they were completed."

I think it's more accurate to say that most schools do not make *decisions* on applications chronologically. It's still early in the cycle, and people who may have applied in July or August will invariably be invited to interview at schools in December, January, and even February.
 
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That's not correct. At some schools, applications are indeed reviewed chronologically. BUSM's complete email explicitly states, "Applications are reviewed in the order in which they were completed."

I think it's more accurate to say that most schools do not make *decisions* on applications chronologically. It's still early in the cycle, and people who may have applied in July or August will invariably be invited to interview at schools in December, January, and even February.
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Maybe. I'm not on any adcoms, so I cannot tell you first hand what any school does, and if BUSM says that, then they are the exception to every rule recited by the adcoms who do post here (who universally state that applications are stratified and reviewed based on whatever priorities the school sets - legacies, big donors, athletes, military, URMs, high stat, etc.), as well as all of the applicants on all of the school specific threads who report IIs in no chronological order whatsoever.

Even here, today, we have people with IIs being complete in July and September. Notwithstanding what BUSM says in its e-mail, we have no reason to believe every application marked complete in August has been reviewed at NYU just because someone complete on 9/4 received an II today.
 
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KnightDoc said:
Maybe. I'm not on any adcoms, so I cannot tell you first hand what any school does, and if BUSM says that, then they are the exception to every rule recited by the adcoms who do post here (who universally state that applications are stratified and reviewed based on whatever priorities the school sets - legacies, big donors, URMs, high stat, etc.), as well as all of the applicants on all of the school specific threads who report IIs in no chronological order whatsoever.

Even here, today, we have people with IIs being complete in July and September. Notwithstanding what BUSM says in its e-mail, we have no reason to believe every application marked complete in August has been reviewed at NYU just because someone complete on 9/4 received an II today.
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I didn't say my point applied to NYU, or any other school. I think you are looking for a rule to be universally true, and I am pointing out that's not the case.

I'm pointing out that it is incorrect for you to say "applications are not reviewed chronologically anywhere" as you did above. They are indeed reviewed chronologically by some schools. By all schools? No. By most schools? Perhaps not.

You need not chastise people for asking about complete dates or for, in your words, ignoring what others have said. Be a little more kind, perhaps.
 
Lawlify said:
My boi Dean Rivera told us they would start sending decisions Oct 1 but I guess they already started!!
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But I thought there was an AMCAS rule that 10/15 was the earliest date! Maybe not? Or, like everything else nowadays, it's a "guideline" rather than a requirement?

Edit: Yup! Like everything else, 10/15 is now a "recommendation" under the traffic rules approved in 2018! 😎
 
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SpreadKindness20 said:
I didn't say my point applied to NYU, or any other school. I think you are looking for a rule to be universally true, and I am pointing out that's not the case.

I'm pointing out that it is incorrect for you to say "applications are not reviewed chronologically anywhere" as you did above. They are indeed reviewed chronologically by some schools. By all schools? No. By most schools? Perhaps not.

You need not chastise people for asking about complete dates or for, in your words, ignoring what others have said. Be a little more kind, perhaps.
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I stand corrected, and removed the word "anywhere" in my other post in light of the fact that apparently some schools are strictly chronological. Given the fact that they are a small minority, I still think complete dates are irrelevant at the vast majority of schools that do not conduct reviews chronologically.

Providing responses to such requests merely needlessly induces anxiety in already neurotic applicants, and perpetuates the myth that reviews are chronological at the vast majority of schools when they aren't. Totally appropriate in threads for schools like BUSM, which are far and few between. Otherwise, not so much. 😎
 
Has anyone been accepted or was that tweet ahead of time?? Do we know if all acceptances for the first round of interviews are out now or if they're still sending them out? Has anyone that's interviewed received a rejection or hold email?
 
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Has anyone been accepted or was that tweet ahead of time?? Do we know if all acceptances for the first round of interviews are out now or if they're still sending them out? Has anyone that's interviewed received a rejection or hold email?
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They’ve been pretty good about updates so I would guess people did get accepted on that date.
 
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