2021-2022 Drexel

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GrainofSalt said:
Drexel's match list is up! Pretty impressive! What are yall thoughts?
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My thoughts are that a 92% match rate is not that impressive at all for a US MD program, with almost 40% of the 92% entering primary care.

The fact that a class as big as theirs has a few stars who do extremely well is to be expected. An impressive match list is when the vast majority do extremely well, or at least get one of their top choices. Not when 8% of the class doesn't match at all, even after SOAP. In fact, that 8% figure is typical of the pre-SOAP number at many US MD programs.

Sorry, but I am far from impressed. Of course, YMMV.
 
oh i mean yeh i guess i was looking at the places these M4s matched at and i thought it was pretty impressive. But yeh 92.9% is average.
 
KnightDoc said:
My thoughts are that a 92% match rate is not that impressive at all for a US MD program, with almost 40% of the 92% entering primary care.

The fact that a class as big as theirs has a few stars who do extremely well is to be expected. An impressive match list is when the vast majority do extremely well, or at least get one of their top choices. Not when 8% of the class doesn't match at all, even after SOAP. In fact, that 8% figure is typical of the pre-SOAP number at many US MD programs.

Sorry, but I am far from impressed. Of course, YMMV.
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how do we know who soaps and who doesn't?
 
GrainofSalt said:
how do we know who soaps and who doesn't?
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We don't because schools go to great lengths to mask it, due to the stigma associated with it.

Personally, I don't think there is any shame, and that needing to SOAP is really a failure by the school to properly prepare and advise. But schools will just respond by saying it's the students' fault because they are unrealistic and don't listen to the advice they are given, and as long as they end up somewhere it's all good.

While I don't think there is any shame, it IS my worst nightmare to have 4 years end with having to scramble in a few days to grab something, anything, from the scraps that are left, or be faced with the prospect of being unemployed and having to do an involuntary research year before subjecting myself to the process yet again the following year. Kinda sounds like the med school application process, doesn't it? The only difference is, after successfully navigating that gauntlet and being admitted to a US MD program, this is not supposed to happen!

Someone else posted that you could get a clue from the match list by looking at preliminary or transitional matches without accompanying advanced matches, but I honestly don't know enough about it to really understand it, since I'm still a few years away from doing the deep dive. I just know that a few people at a few different schools have now told me that around 10% of a class not being matched before SOAP is kind of typical, and that most schools get that down to 0-2% or 3% post-SOAP.

And by the way, the national average is 92.9% Drexel's number was actually 92.0%. With an entering class of 300, that means around 25 people were left unmatched after SOAP, which is kind of unimaginable. Can any current students comment on what happened, how it happened, and how the school and those impacted are dealing with it?
 
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KnightDoc said:
We don't because schools go to great lengths to mask it, due to the stigma associated with it.

Personally, I don't think there is any shame, and that needing to SOAP is really a failure by the school to properly prepare and advise. But schools will just respond by saying it's the students' fault because they are unrealistic and don't listen to the advice they are given, and as long as they end up somewhere it's all good.

While I don't think there is any shame, it IS my worst nightmare to have 4 years end with having to scramble in a few days to grab something, anything, from the scraps that are left, or be faced with the prospect of being unemployed and having to do an involuntary research year before subjecting myself to the process yet again the following year. Kinda sounds like the med school application process, doesn't it? The only difference is, after successfully navigating that gauntlet and being admitted to a US MD program, this is not supposed to happen!

Someone else posted that you could get a clue from the match list by looking at preliminary or transitional matches without accompanying advanced matches, but I honestly don't know enough about it to really understand it, since I'm still a few years away from doing the deep dive. I just know that a few people at a few different schools have now told me that around 10% of a class not being matched before SOAP is kind of typical, and that most schools get that down to 0-2% or 3% post-SOAP.

And by the way, the national average is 92.9% Drexel's number was actually 92.0%. With an entering class of 300, that means around 25 people were left unmatched after SOAP, which is kind of unimaginable. Can any current students comment on what happened, how it happened, and how the school and those impacted are dealing with it?
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well 92.0% and 92.9% is miniscule in significance, maybe 1 or 2 extra students didn't match. I guess Drexel's match list was quite average this year. Maybe it fluctuates from year to year. Some years better, other years worse?
 
GrainofSalt said:
well 92.0% and 92.9% is miniscule in significance, maybe 1 or 2 extra students didn't match. I guess Drexel's match list was quite average this year. Maybe it fluctuates from year to year. Some years better, other years worse?
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Yeah. I haven't been following it closely from year to year. It's just that most schools are touting 96-98% match rates, and the question with them is what was the number pre-SOAP, since it can't be THAT hard to just grab something at the end that most people didn't want, when there are more slots than US students.

As far as 1% being miniscule, I guess that depends on whether you are one of those additional 3 people or not. It's just that being on the wrong side of average is surprising for a school with a decent reputation like Drexel. Kudos for them not hiding it or anything. Now, hopefully, someone on the inside who is active here can give us some context and detail as to what happened, and whether it's something prospective students should be concerned about.

I've been pretty vocal about thinking outcomes are more about the individual than the school, but having a well respected program like Drexel be no better than the US average is disconcerting. After all, most people on SDN talk about which school is going to give them the best shot at some crazy competitive specialty. And yet, this year, around 120 people coming out Drexel entered primary care, and they were the lucky ones, since around 25 people had nothing AFTER SOAP.

One can only imagine how many people matched through SOAP. Probably another 10% or so. If true, that would mean around 50 people graduating from Drexel this year not only didn't get their first choice, or second or third, or tenth, but that they got no choice at all before SOAP. And that is scary as hell, no matter who you are or how much you think it could never happen to you. I'd just love to know how it happened, because it speaks to the quality of the administration and the advising, and, at least to me, really is not a reflection of the quality of the students.
 
KnightDoc said:
Yeah. I haven't been following it closely from year to year. It's just that most schools are touting 96-98% match rates, and the question with them is what was the number pre-SOAP, since it can't be THAT hard to just grab something at the end that most people didn't want, when there are more slots than US students.

As far as 1% being miniscule, I guess that depends on whether you are one of those additional 3 people or not. It's just that being on the wrong side of average is surprising for a school with a decent reputation like Drexel. Kudos for them not hiding it or anything. Now, hopefully, someone on the inside who is active here can give us some context and detail as to what happened, and whether it's something prospective students should be concerned about.

I've been pretty vocal about thinking outcomes are more about the individual than the school, but having a well respected program like Drexel be no better than the US average is disconcerting. After all, most people on SDN talk about which school is going to give them the best shot at some crazy competitive specialty. And yet, this year, around 120 people coming out Drexel entered primary care, and they were the lucky ones, since around 25 people had nothing AFTER SOAP.

One can only imagine how many people matched through SOAP. Probably another 10% or so. If true, that would mean around 50 people graduating from Drexel this year not only didn't get their first choice, or second or third, or tenth, but that they got no choice at all before SOAP. And that is scary as hell, no matter who you are or how much you think it could never happen to you. I'd just love to know how it happened, because it speaks to the quality of the administration and the advising, and, at least to me, really is not a reflection of the quality of the students.
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Well Drexel has always been an average school. Also i'm not sure if you can label the 120 med students entering primary care as lucky ones. Perhaps it's the field they wanted to be in. I do agree that its important to see the SOAP #'s...
 
GrainofSalt said:
Well Drexel has always been an average school. Also i'm not sure if you can label the 120 med students entering primary care as lucky ones. Perhaps it's the field they wanted to be in. I do agree that its important to see the SOAP #'s...
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yeah lmao I don't think most people applying PC from MD schools are forced too - and you got to remember how many are planning to pursue sub-specialization especially from IM
 
Since Step 1 is pass or fail, do you think we will see a further drop in match rate? Wasn't this year's results based on students who got a score on step 1?
 
flightjordan said:
yeah lmao I don't think most people applying PC from MD schools are forced too - and you got to remember how many are planning to pursue sub-specialization especially from IM
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Great point. I agree with those who mentioned a 92% match rate isn't stellar (it's certainly average), so I could see why that would be a concern.
But the idea that it's a red flag to have a lot of people matching into primary care is such a weird take to me.

Obviously we can't know for sure because we don't have any denominators here and don't know what anyone's first choice was (I do really wish schools released that info, and I'm surprised they're not required to, but alas). But that said, I would guess that Drexel tends to attract people interested in PC given its HAP/HOP/etc programs. Additionally, I don't think it's a particularly research-focused school (I'm sure they have plenty of research opportunities, but it's not a requirement/as ingrained as it is at many schools).

Anyway, I'm starting to go off on a tangent here, so I'll conclude by saying I'm not really sure what to make of the 92% match rate. You never want to see the # go down, though "average" is what I would expect from most schools, including Drexel. However, I am a bit confused by the increasing # of comments I'm seeing (and to be clear — nobody said this here), but the comments I see from people who seem to think everyone in family med is a failed interventional radiologist lol.
 
Excellent points. I didn't mean to cast shade on PC, because #1, there is honestly nothing wrong with it, and #2, it certainly could be preliminary to a specialty.

My point was merely that a list with nearly 40% of only 92% matching PC, post SOAP, was not an "impressive" list under my definition of "impressive." Nothing wrong with it, but I simply would not allow myself to be blinded by the fact that a few people out of 300 had great matches. That will happen just about anywhere, given the sample size, and says a lot about the quality of those students, but says nothing at all about the quality of Drexel.

As far as everyone in family med being a failed interventional radiologist, maybe that only applies to SDN, but, yeah. Just like everyone entering UG thinks they are going to be premed until they are introduced to orgo, everyone seems to pick a med school based on how many are matching neurosurgery, or derm or plastics.

If this is what people are looking for, a list where 8% didn't match at all, AFTER SOAP, in a world where there are more slots than US graduates, then Drexel is a fine choice. Remember, this means that around 25 people coming from the Caribbean matched ahead of Drexel students, after SOAP. I wonder what the number looked like pre-SOAP? Think about that for a minute while being satisfied that Drexel is average, and that that's fine.

Also, let's be clear. Maybe it's splitting hairs, but the average is 92.9%. 92% is BELOW average. I'm actually looking for something above average, but YMMV. I've seen plenty of lower ranked schools with higher reported match rates. I don't know what, if anything, they are doing to massage their reported numbers, and, as I said above, I give Drexel a lot of credit for not masking these numbers, but they are concerning.

Even though I happen to believe results are way more a reflection of the student than the school, an 8% post-SOAP unmatched rate definitely calls into question the quality of mentoring and guidance at the school. I thought the biggest thing we had to worry about was hidden pre-SOAP match rates, and being forced into something we didn't want to do, at some place we didn't want to be, to avoid being unemployed, and then acting all excited about it on Match Day. I applaud anyone who is okay with a 1 in 12 chance of being unemployed after med school. I'm just not there.
 
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KnightDoc said:
Excellent points. I didn't mean to cast shade on PC, because #1, there is honestly nothing wrong with it, and #2, it certainly could be preliminary to a specialty.

My point was merely that a list with nearly 40% of only 92% matching PC, post SOAP, was not an "impressive" list under my definition of "impressive." Nothing wrong with it, but I simply would not allow myself to be blinded by the fact that a few people out of 300 had great matches. That will happen just about anywhere, given the sample size, and says a lot about the quality of those students, but says nothing at all about the quality of Drexel.

As far as everyone in family med being a failed interventional radiologist, maybe that only applies to SDN, but, yeah. Just like everyone entering UG thinks they are going to be premed until they are introduced to orgo, everyone seems to pick a med school based on how many are matching neurosurgery, or derm or plastics.

If this is what people are looking for, a list where 8% didn't match at all, AFTER SOAP, in a world where there are more slots than US graduates, then Drexel is a fine choice. Remember, this means that around 25 people coming from the Caribbean matched ahead of Drexel students, after SOAP. I wonder what the number looked like pre-SOAP? Think about that for a minute while being satisfied that Drexel is average, and that that's fine.

Also, let's be clear. Maybe it's splitting hairs, but the average is 92.9%. 92% is BELOW average. I'm actually looking for something above average, but YMMV. I've seen plenty of lower ranked schools with higher reported match rates. I don't know what, if anything, they are doing to massage their reported numbers, and, as I said above, I give Drexel a lot of credit for not masking these numbers, but they are concerning.

Even though I happen to believe results are way more a reflection of the student than the school, an 8% post-SOAP unmatched rate definitely calls into question the quality of mentoring and guidance at the school. I thought the biggest thing we had to worry about was hidden pre-SOAP match rates, and being forced into something we didn't want to do, at some place we didn't want to be, to avoid being unemployed, and then acting all excited about it on Match Day. I applaud anyone who is okay with a 1 in 12 chance of being unemployed after med school. I'm just not there.
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During my interview day, the student interviewer that spoke with us talked about this when we asked what was something he didn’t like about the school. He said something to the effect of “the school‘s step scores and match rates are just average and they’ll say ‘see? we’re right there with the national average’ and they’re ok with being just that. They’re complacent with being an average school and don’t seem to strive to be above that”.

This guy did his PhD at Jefferson before med school and he made it clear that he only went to Drexel because he didn’t get in anywhere else (probably much preferred going to Jeff for his MD), so he obviously didn’t really want to be there and most of his comments kinda bummed me out ngl lol but that specific comment that he made stuck with me and keeps ringing true after seeing this year’s match rate.

Really making me consider PCOM with their consistently higher match rates. They send students to similar caliber programs and Drexel had just about as many students going PC as PCOM did in the 2022 match (for those that may say “well of course a DO school that has more students applying PC would have a better match rate since PC is not as competitive”). However, I feel like PCOM sort of has a chip on their shoulder being a DO school that wants to prove themselves as a school that can hang with the other Philly allopathic schools and will keep striving to be better (which, again, may not be the case with Drexel’s admin) 🤷‍♂️
 
mr.dr.professor patrick said:
During my interview day, the student interviewer that spoke with us talked about this when we asked what was something he didn’t like about the school. He said something to the effect of “the school‘s step scores and match rates are just average and they’ll say ‘see? we’re right there with the national average’ and they’re ok with being just that. They’re complacent with being an average school and don’t seem to strive to be above that”.

This guy did his PhD at Jefferson before med school and he made it clear that he only went to Drexel because he didn’t get in anywhere else (probably much preferred going to Jeff for his MD), so he obviously didn’t really want to be there and most of his comments kinda bummed me out ngl lol but that specific comment that he made stuck with me and keeps ringing true after seeing this year’s match rate.

Really making me consider PCOM with their consistently higher match rates. They send students to similar caliber programs and Drexel had just about as many students going PC as PCOM did in the 2022 match (for those that may say “well of course a DO school that has more students applying PC would have a better match rate since PC is not as competitive”). However, I feel like PCOM sort of has a chip on their shoulder being a DO school that wants to prove themselves as a school that can hang with the other Philly allopathic schools and will keep striving to be better (which, again, may not be the case with Drexel’s admin) 🤷‍♂️
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Thanks for sharing this. My biggest takeaway is they also care so little about recruiting that they allow someone like that near the candidates.

Again, refreshingly honest, and impressive that they don't go to extremes to sugarcoat anything. One of my biggest frustrations so far has been the inability to get dirt from the students other schools have interacting with candidates.

Still, while PCOM is among the very best of the DO schools, I think you'll still be better off with the MD degree, even with Drexel's issues. I'd just love to know what's up with the match. As admirable as PCOM's desire to hang with the Philly MDs, they don't, if for no other reason than they are handicapped by being unable to confer a MD degree. You are seriously the first person I've come across in 3 years on SDN who even raised the possibility of turning down any of the Philly schools, including Cooper, to attend PCOM.
 
I am currently a Drexel medical student in my clinical years. Made a new account to be anonymous. Look, I am not one to automatically defend Drexel because I'm literally just here to get my degree. That being said, I wanted to clear up some misconceptions regarding the match rate. Yes, it's disappointing that the match rate is 92% which is lower than last year. BUT TO BE CLEAR, the 92% is PRE-SOAP, not post. The website/ match list doesn't clarify that, but Drexel's post-soap rate is 100% per admin during an event we had a couple of weeks ago. The current graduating class also only has 260ish students. Only the current first year class has 300 since Reading just opened. As for the rest of the concerns written here, they are valid and it's up to you to decide whether Drexel is the school for you.
 
I think that past year people matching into pc was about 60% (correct me if I’m wrong)? I wonder if less people going to pc this year (approx 40%) could have been a cause for the lower match rate as well.
 
jbhlmk6712 said:
I am currently a Drexel medical student in my clinical years. Made a new account to be anonymous. Look, I am not one to automatically defend Drexel because I'm literally just here to get my degree. That being said, I wanted to clear up some misconceptions regarding the match rate. Yes, it's disappointing that the match rate is 92% which is lower than last year. BUT TO BE CLEAR, the 92% is PRE-SOAP, not post. The website/ match list doesn't clarify that, but Drexel's post-soap rate is 100% per admin during an event we had a couple of weeks ago. The current graduating class also only has 260ish students. Only the current first year class has 300 since Reading just opened. As for the rest of the concerns written here, they are valid and it's up to you to decide whether Drexel is the school for you.
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Thank you VERY much for coming here and posting! It's insane that Drexel is killing itself by not conforming to the disclosure standard adopted by everyone else by publishing pre-SOAP instead of post-SOAP numbers. In fact, that distinction is so important, and so against Drexel's interest, that I'm not sure it's true.

If it is, Drexel needs to fix its website ASAP, since the difference between 92% and 100% is HUGE. Even more so because the published 92% implies a pre-SOAP rate in the low 80s or below.

Since Match Day is literally AFTER SOAP, it honestly makes zero sense that Drexel would publish a preliminary, incomplete, disadvantageous pre-SOAP number, so TBH, what the administration is telling you makes no sense. There is nothing to clarify, since the final match numbers include SOAP. After all, isn't that the whole point of SOAP, to get unmatched people matched before Match Day? If Drexel published a bad number, they need to fix it, for their own good!
 
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wjdgus said:
I think that past year people matching into pc was about 60% (correct me if I’m wrong)? I wonder if less people going to pc this year (approx 40%) could have been a cause for the lower match rate as well.
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Nope. People shooting for the stars who are unsuccessful usually get religion and take a preliminary or transitional PC year in SOAP rather than taking nothing and remaining unmatched.
 
KnightDoc said:
Thank you VERY much for coming here and posting! It's insane that Drexel is killing itself by not conforming to the disclosure standard adopted by everyone else by publishing pre-SOAP instead of post-SOAP numbers. In fact, that distinction is so important, and so against Drexel's interest, that I'm not sure it's true.

If it is, Drexel needs to fix its website ASAP, since the difference between 92% and 100% is HUGE. Even more so because the published 92% implies a pre-SOAP rate in the low 80s or below.
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I think it's only turning neurotic premeds off, which might be a good thing...
 
KnightDoc said:
Thank you VERY much for coming here and posting! It's insane that Drexel is killing itself by not conforming to the disclosure standard adopted by everyone else by publishing pre-SOAP instead of post-SOAP numbers. In fact, that distinction is so important, and so against Drexel's interest, that I'm not sure it's true.

If it is, Drexel needs to fix its website ASAP, since the difference between 92% and 100% is HUGE. Even more so because the published 92% implies a pre-SOAP rate in the low 80s or below.

Since Match Day is literally AFTER SOAP, it honestly makes zero sense that Drexel would publish a preliminary, incomplete, disadvantageous pre-SOAP number, so TBH, what the administration is telling you makes no sense. There is nothing to clarify, since the final match numbers include SOAP. If Drexel published a bad number, they need to fix it, for their own good!
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This is very important is there anyway to check with them? I just want validation from the school itself.
 
KnightDoc said:
Thank you VERY much for coming here and posting! It's insane that Drexel is killing itself by not conforming to the disclosure standard adopted by everyone else by publishing pre-SOAP instead of post-SOAP numbers. In fact, that distinction is so important, and so against Drexel's interest, that I'm not sure it's true.

If it is, Drexel needs to fix its website ASAP, since the difference between 92% and 100% is HUGE. Even more so because the published 92% implies a pre-SOAP rate in the low 80s or below.

Since Match Day is literally AFTER SOAP, it honestly makes zero sense that Drexel would publish a preliminary, incomplete, disadvantageous pre-SOAP number, so TBH, what the administration is telling you makes no sense. There is nothing to clarify, since the final match numbers include SOAP. After all, isn't that the whole point of SOAP, to get unmatched people matched before Match Day? If Drexel published a bad number, they need to fix it, for their own good!
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Pretty sure that a school's match rate, by definition, does not include SOAP and post-SOAP numbers. If you want to include SOAP and (eventually) post-SOAP numbers, it's called a placement rate. I may be wrong though but this is how I understand it.
 
RinTohsaka22 said:
I think it's only turning neurotic premeds off, which might be a good thing...
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Good for who? Not the school, which might be driving neurotic premeds with other options away. You might be right with respect to people on the WL patiently waiting for those neurotics to drop away. 🙂
 
jbhlmk6712 said:
I am currently a Drexel medical student in my clinical years. Made a new account to be anonymous. Look, I am not one to automatically defend Drexel because I'm literally just here to get my degree. That being said, I wanted to clear up some misconceptions regarding the match rate. Yes, it's disappointing that the match rate is 92% which is lower than last year. BUT TO BE CLEAR, the 92% is PRE-SOAP, not post. The website/ match list doesn't clarify that, but Drexel's post-soap rate is 100% per admin during an event we had a couple of weeks ago. The current graduating class also only has 260ish students. Only the current first year class has 300 since Reading just opened. As for the rest of the concerns written here, they are valid and it's up to you to decide whether Drexel is the school for you.
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that's actually quite interesting. Any reason why they posted pre-soap rates?
 
flightjordan said:
Pretty sure that a school's match rate, by definition, does not include SOAP and post-SOAP numbers. If you want to include SOAP and (eventually) post-SOAP numbers, it's called a placement rate. I may be wrong though but this is how I understand it.
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Not to my understanding. Post-SOAP, you are correct, because that's after the Match is over. SOAP, however, is definitely part of the Match.

The people matching through SOAP open their envelopes along with everyone else on Match Day, and they are definitely reported along with all the other matches at every other school I've checked this year, except, apparently, Drexel. If you were correct, there would be no mystery concerning the pre-SOAP numbers, since those would be the ones all the schools report.
 
KnightDoc said:
Not to my understanding. Post-SOAP, you are correct, because that's after the Match is over. SOAP, however, is definitely part of the Match.

The people matching through SOAP open their envelopes along with everyone else on Match Day, and they are definitely reported along with all the other matches at every other school I've checked this year, except, apparently, Drexel. If you were correct, there would be no mystery concerning the pre-SOAP numbers, since those would be the ones all the schools report.
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I don't know, I'm not convinced. SOAP is not part of the actual Match. It is a different process and it does not use the same algorithm or procedures. Maybe a medical student can comment?
 
flightjordan said:
I don't know, I'm not convinced. SOAP is not part of the actual Match. It is a different process and it does not use the same algorithm or procedures. Maybe a medical student can comment?
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Obviously I am not yet a medical student, but I did okay in CARS 🙂, and this looks to me like it absolutely IS part of the Match. It is, by definition, the supplemental part, before the Match is complete:

www.ama-assn.org

What to know about SOAP's last-minute Match options

The Supplemental Offer and Acceptance Program can be a vehicle through which unmatched medical students find a home for residency. Here’s how.
www.ama-assn.org www.ama-assn.org

students-residents.aamc.org

ERAS® Program SOAP® Information

Supplemental Offer and Acceptance Program (SOAP)
students-residents.aamc.org students-residents.aamc.org
 
KnightDoc said:
Obviously I am not yet a medical student, but I did okay in CARS 🙂, and this looks to me like it absolutely IS part of the Match. It is, by definition, the supplemental part, before the Match is complete:

www.ama-assn.org

What to know about SOAP's last-minute Match options

The Supplemental Offer and Acceptance Program can be a vehicle through which unmatched medical students find a home for residency. Here’s how.
www.ama-assn.org www.ama-assn.org

students-residents.aamc.org

ERAS® Program SOAP® Information

Supplemental Offer and Acceptance Program (SOAP)
students-residents.aamc.org students-residents.aamc.org
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I had seen that article previously. Second paragraph states that "The Supplemental Offer and Acceptance Program (SOAP) is a vehicle through which eligible unmatched applicants in the Main Residency Match..."

Those who go through SOAP successfully are placed into residency just like everyone else, but to call them "matched" may be a misnomer imo.
 
KnightDoc said:
Obviously I am not yet a medical student, but I did okay in CARS 🙂, and this looks to me like it absolutely IS part of the Match. It is, by definition, the supplemental part, before the Match is complete:

www.ama-assn.org

What to know about SOAP's last-minute Match options

The Supplemental Offer and Acceptance Program can be a vehicle through which unmatched medical students find a home for residency. Here’s how.
www.ama-assn.org www.ama-assn.org

students-residents.aamc.org

ERAS® Program SOAP® Information

Supplemental Offer and Acceptance Program (SOAP)
students-residents.aamc.org students-residents.aamc.org
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SOAP is definitely not part of the Main Residency Match. I can meet you in the middle and agree that it is part of "Match Week" lol.
 
I also think it wouldn't make sense for them to post a pre-soap match rate (but maybe it's just a big mistake). It's one of the most important factors people consider when looking at a school and they would be shooting themselves in the foot by not putting up a post-soap match rate.
 
flightjordan said:
SOAP is definitely not part of the Main Residency Match. I can meet you in the middle and agree that it is part of "Match Week" lol.
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There is no middle. Yes, these are people who do not match through the main match algo. SOAP is a supplement to the main match that is run by NRMP to match unmatched people prior to Match Day, at which point they are "matched." People who are not matched on Match Day are "unmatched," and then have to fend for themselves.

The hot topic for the past month has been what the pre-SOAP match rate is at various schools, because that number is obscured, everywhere, by the final match numbers that include SOAP. I am pretty sure Drexel did not actually publish its pre-SOAP number as its final match number. I know for a fact that about a dozen other schools I have checked do not do this, and in fact refuse to release their pre-SOAP numbers, because, to them, the only thing that counts is the final number.
 
KnightDoc said:
There is no middle. Yes, these are people who do not match through the main match algo. SOAP is a supplement to the main match that is run by NRMP to match unmatched people prior to Match Day, at which point they are "matched." People who are not matched on Match Day are "unmatched," and then have to fend for themselves.

The hot topic for the past month has been what the pre-SOAP match rate is at various schools, because that number is obscured, everywhere, by the final match numbers that include SOAP. I am pretty sure Drexel did not actually publish its pre-SOAP number as its final match number. I know for a fact that about a dozen other schools I have checked do not do this, and in fact refuse to release their pre-SOAP numbers, because, to them, the only thing that counts is the final number.
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so are you suggesting that the 92% match rate published by Drexel is actually the Post-SOAP match rate? This would be contrary to what the above current Drexel student mentioned.
 
Yes, just call them if you want to hear directly from the school. I am choosing to be anonymous so it makes sense to be skeptical of what I posted. To clear up some confusion though, I am pretty sure the national mean which drexel also posted in their website is pre-soap. See: https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/2022-Match-by-the-Numbers-FINAL.pdf This clearly states that numbers do not include SOAP matches. Second, it was stated by admin that students who did not initially match (i.e the 8%) are currently matched (probably doing transitional years or prelims, idk). But again, call them and ask. Third, I can't speak for admin so I honestly can't tell you why there's a derm match on one website but not on another. Beats me lol
 
jbhlmk6712 said:
Yes, just call them on if you want to hear directly from the school. I am choosing to be anonymous so it makes sense to be skeptical of what I posted. To clear up some confusion though, I am pretty sure the national mean which drexel also posted in their website is pre-soap. See: https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/2022-Match-by-the-Numbers-FINAL.pdf This clearly states that numbers do not include SOAP matches. Second, it was stated by admin that students who did not initially match (i.e the 8%) are currently matched (probably doing transitional years or prelims, idk). But again, call them and ask. Third, I can't speak for admin so I honestly can't tell you why there's a derm match on one website but not on another. Beats me lol
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this clears up a lot haha thank you!
 
KnightDoc said:
Thanks for volunteering! :laugh:

If anyone is taking bets, my money is on @jbhlmk6712 misunderstanding what the administration said, because it is simply inconceivable to me that Drexel wouldn't report match results in the same format as everyone else (post-match).

Also, 100% would be insanely high for anyone post-SOAP, let alone a school in Drexel's tier. I linked the NRMP press release associated with this year's match. 92.9% absolutely looks like the US MD post-SOAP number. There is just no freaking way that the NRMP Match Day press release that they put out proudly announcing their results do not include the SOAP results that they work so hard to produce in the week leading up to Match Day. NO WAY!!!!

www.nrmp.org

NRMP Delivers a Strong Match to Thousands of Residency Applicants and Programs

Today the National Resident Matching Program® (NRMP®) celebrates Match Day with the applicants, medical schools, and residency training programs participating in the 2022 Main Residency Match®.
www.nrmp.org www.nrmp.org
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see above, they sent an interesting link with supporting evidence
 
KnightDoc said:
Thanks for volunteering! :laugh:

If anyone is taking bets, my money is on @jbhlmk6712 misunderstanding what the administration said, because it is simply inconceivable to me that Drexel wouldn't report match results in the same format as everyone else (post-match).

Also, 100% would be insanely high for anyone post-SOAP, let alone a school in Drexel's tier. I linked the NRMP press release associated with this year's match. 92.9% absolutely looks like the US MD post-SOAP number.

www.nrmp.org

NRMP Delivers a Strong Match to Thousands of Residency Applicants and Programs

Today the National Resident Matching Program® (NRMP®) celebrates Match Day with the applicants, medical schools, and residency training programs participating in the 2022 Main Residency Match®.
www.nrmp.org www.nrmp.org
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The website you posted states "SOAP results will be available in the full Match report published in early May." So no, the current rates do not have SOAP numbers. I agree, perhaps 100% is too generous. But the 92% both at Drexel and nationally does not include SOAP. (Also see the link I posted above)
 
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jbhlmk6712 said:
Yes, just call them if you want to hear directly from the school. I am choosing to be anonymous so it makes sense to be skeptical of what I posted. To clear up some confusion though, I am pretty sure the national mean which drexel also posted in their website is pre-soap. See: https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/2022-Match-by-the-Numbers-FINAL.pdf This clearly states that numbers do not include SOAP matches. Second, it was stated by admin that students who did not initially match (i.e the 8%) are currently matched (probably doing transitional years or prelims, idk). But again, call them and ask. Third, I can't speak for admin so I honestly can't tell you why there's a derm match on one website but not on another. Beats me lol
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THANK YOU!!!!! Based on this, it certainly does look like they are reporting pre-SOAP numbers while everyone is reporting post-SOAP. Crazy!!
 
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