How does your tmdsas courselisting show them?
I have them under 2019 which was my Freshman year of college. Says AP Literature and the department is Engl. Other one is AP Rhetoric and the department is also Engl.
Did they make the PCR?
TMDSAS should show a specific listing they accepted to give you credit for and if they list your AP credits as English you are good.
Yep! It's called your PCR Report and can be found via a blue link on the first page that pops up when you log in to your TMDSAS portal.
What is the deficiency report called?
Since this Friday is a holiday (veteran's day), I predict/hope we might hear from them again next week. 🙂
Oh it's just contained in that PCR report. It lists all courses fitting into a given category (Gen Chem, Physics, etc), and then tells you how many total credits you've earned in that category and how many you still need.
Yep, this is what people should be checking as opposed to wondering if they met the criteria.
One last follow-up: if you had forced pass/fail classes during covid that included pre-reqs, they won't be included in your PCR (i.e., I currently show up as 1 class deficient in physics because I had to take physics 2 p/f). However, I spoke to TMDSAS and they said not to worry about it because they do accept covid p/f classes as pre-reqs even though they're not included in the PCR! 🙂
Appreciate you guys so much. Thanks for the help! It did make the PCR.
No problem at all! Always happy to help. Just check the PCR and look for the section that lists the number of hours you are deficient in each subject. If it's zero, you're good to go! If not, give TMDSAS a call and make sure you understand the process, given your specific situation. You got this!
My community college one did (cause it's digital) and TMDSAS sent a confirmation email that it was approved. But even though it was digital it took like 3 weeks. My university transcript was sent by mail on the same day, but still not dilevered. I don't know if this changes from school to school, but my med school said there's not really a deadline as long as they receive them sometime next spring.
Thanks man. I'll give it two more weeks. I spent $10 sending the digital copy of the UNT transcript, so I hope it goes through.
Dont worry be happy! you are admitted and now it is only paper work.
Oh trust me the premed anxiety doesn't end once admitted.
Mine was pretty similar for the sell yourself section. I knew it was coming so I tried to prepare beforehand but he ended up telling me what he wanted me to talk about. He was pretty stone faced the whole time. Yours sounds a little more stressful, he didn't give me 40 seconds to answer a hard question or anything like that. It was the only station that felt like that for me.
totally different experience on my end, my sell yourself interviewer and I were laughing and having fun pretty much the entire time.
Wow! Crazy how vastly different everyone's experience can be
Nice name. I use to be able to rep double plate in high school! Not anymore sadly 😆
It's wild how much it can change over time, right? Could hit 225 twenty times at one point, and now my max is not much above 225.
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| Year | 2018 | 2019 | 2020 | 2021 | 2022 |
| NRMP Match | 87% | 88% | 89% | 87% | 89% |
| Overall Match* *Includes Early and Military Matches | 93% | 94% | 97% | 96% | 98% |
Thank you for sharing. The CECE does sound really frustrating and I was also unaware of the abrupt resignation with Dr. Raimer.Hey y'all. I go to UTMB. Overall, the school is fine some issues with our program I would like to note when making a decision:
On interview day last year UTMB never told us about mandatory volunteering in the Fall and Spring called CECE. It's a new program that just started in our class and we have to do 24 hours (4 hours 6 times each semester) in the Fall and Spring over years 1 and 2. So every 2 weeks you have to waste 4 hours doing some nonclinical forced volunteering of the school's choosing which takes away time from other activities like studying, extracurriculars, and volunteering. Our class just conducted a survey (99/230 students replied which is a lot!) which is attached here to the bottom of this post as a pdf. You can see the complaints and issues with this program here.
UTMB knew about this program and intentionally hid this information from us when we applied. In fact no one knew about this until the end of META (6 weeks into the program) when they spontaneously announced it. They make us do things like risk exposure to patients with COVID-19 and risking getting the rest of class sick, forcing students to give sponge bathes to burn victims as a year 1, lift heavy boxes, wipe people's butts, work for free in call centers in the guise of "gaining clinical experience." In reality, the UTMB admins, mainly Dr. Farr who runs the CECE program, are using it to pad their own resumes at the expense of students' educational experiences. It becomes a bigger problem because we also have required PBL sessions, POM sessions, and other random events that take up time from studying. Our class spent 6 weeks in orientation and META going over social justice fluff, but they give us little time to study for the real things like GAR exams. The school (mainly Dr. Farr) have been largely dismissive of student concerns on safety, abuse, harassment, quality of experience, etc.
Almost all the students have lost confidence with the UTMB administration and don't believe they are really trying to support us. There are, of course, some good faculty like Dr. Cristiana Rastellini who runs the anatomy course and lab but they don't have much power and they too have had issues with UTMB leadership (you can google that. Our current class, MCT (molecules, cells, and tissues) had major issues in years before b/c of faculty issues so half the class failed the course last year and the course had to be majorly curved. They changed the curriculum this year to use USMLERx for learning but the faculty issues still haven't changed much but we'll see this Friday as we have our MCT midterm then.
Also, there have been some political issues with the school namely that they just fired the President Dr. Raimer who was a well respected, trusted, and popular figure here ( Dr. Ben Raimer, a Career and Life of Service | Thank You Dr Raimer. ) . He worked here for 40 years, and was abruptly sacked 2 months ago for political reasons (he didn't do anything criminal - but UTMB and UT Systems execs wanted to get rid of him). The school has major complaints with UT admin leadership and cronyism.
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The ADA office is also really bad here and toxic and don't support students with health issues. So don't really trust the intentions or promises the school makes. Of course every school is riddled with issues but UTMB leadership is especially broken which means that the school will be making more and more bad decisions over time at the expense of medical education and lower match rates at UTMB.
That said, UTMB is not a bad school or the worst, but they are dishonest about many things. There are pros/cons of anywhere you go, but just keep that in mind if there are any other programs you might be interested in going to like McGovern, Long, UTSW, TTUHSC, etc. The actual courses are fine, but the school is poorly run and disorganized. The only saving grace is that the class is true pass/fail and it's a beach town if that's your thing but Galveston is boring, but at least it's an hour away from Houston. That said, a major red flag with UTMB is its match rates are much lower than the other major Texas medical schools (around 88% versus 95-98% at the others) that you can see below.
Some comments below that may be useful:
"delasmontanas 12 points 3 years ago*
Sure.
Ever wonder why UTMB has not been ranked by US News for the past decade? It's because they weren't transparent with US News in terms of their USMLE scores among other things.
Back when I was applying I had a friend request all of the USMLE (vs. MCAT if the school had it) data for TX schools (except BCM) using the Texas public information act. Then we sat down and looked at the data.
UTMB's reported STEP1 average was nowhere close to the average from the data they gave us. They ignored multiple board failures in their average. I posted all of the raw data and charts to SDN under a moniker, but I can't find the post searching google. I do remember that they were close to one of the lowest board averages if you actually crunched the numbers. UTSW was the highest, but really we're talking about differences that are just outside the margin of error for STEP1 anyway.
As an MS4, I can tell you that board stats should not play into your rank decisions at all. I can't think of a more useless metric to be honest. Clincal scheduling flexibility is very important. Length of dedicated is somewhat important. Optional attendance during the pre-clinical years is also key.
Between UTMB and UTHSCSA, the curricula are very different.
The accelerated model that UTHSCSA had adopted gives you greater flexibility in terms of clinical scheduling in your 4th year which is key if you want a lot of specialties though less flexibility in terms of exploring non-core specialties early.
They don't list how much time they give you for dedicated on their website which is a little concerning--"ample" LOL-- but all of my friends that ended up at UTHSCSA liked it and have done well enough to match to decent residencies.
Don't get me wrong UTMB is a great school, but I was concerned as an applicant at the lack of transparency and manipulation of scores. The PBL pre-clinical curriculum if they are still doing that is not something I am hot on, and I say that as someone who liked my limited PBL classes in medical school.
Edit: Found one of my old SDN posts if anyone is curious - The Republic of Texas XXXI: Everything's not just bigger, it's more awesome too . Note that UTMB was claiming an average of 238 on interview days based on my notes from the time and another applicant's post on SDN."
Year 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 NRMP Match 87% 88% 89% 87% 89% Overall Match*
*Includes Early and Military Matches93% 94% 97% 96% 98%
"One other thing about UTMB that would give me pause is their low NRMP match rate (Table 3). 93-95% is about average for the initial results at good schools. 82% and 87% is pretty dismal. 18% and 13% of the class had to enter SOAP? Once may be a fluke. It happening in twice in the span of three years is a red flag. It speaks to poor advising."
No problem! And it was more that Dr. Raimer was forced to resign by UT exec - he was in a meeting and they immediately suspended him even though he was praised for all the good work he did for UTMB. He is a good man. His wife is a dermatologist at UTMB. He used to be a barber and give students haircuts and would also give students suits for residency interviews. The whole community knows UTMB did him dirty and UTMB's lawyers are blocking open records requests by appealing them to Texas Attorney General office b/c there was no legitimate cause in getting rid of him.
I'm also curious about the match rates reported on UTMB's website. It seems to me that the overall rate (93-98% the past five years) would be more likely. My guess is that the reported NRMP match rate leaves out those certain specialities not included in the NRMP version, and maybe the overall match rate does include those.
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Most schools report their match rate to include students who had to "SOAP" to find a spot.I'm also curious about the match rates reported on UTMB's website. It seems to me that the overall rate (93-98% the past five years) would be more likely. My guess is that the reported NRMP match rate leaves out those certain specialities not included in the NRMP version, and maybe the overall match rate does include those.
I know very little about the residency match process, but this link seems to back up the idea that UTMB's match rate is not in the high-80's, they simply separate their results into a standard NRMP match rate and an early/military match rate.
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@wysdoc does this seem right? Any insight? They may have stuff going on with their admin/faculty, but I'd highly doubt they'd have such a low overall match rate.
Yes, sometimes a school will report it as a percent of "those who were eligible to match".Match Day Ceremony
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Are people saying this is not true? It would be very hard to inflate these publicly stated statistics.
If people didnt participate in the match because they were not ready to apply (class size should be 230 or 240?), that would be a different problem (drop out or didnt pass tests).
A conversation I had with a former student suggests that the overall match rate does include those who had to SOAP, along with early and military matches. So I think any worry about the 80-ish percent match rates over the last five years should be nonexistent for those who've seen this thread and may be worrying about it.
I took a look at that link, @texasvandyMatch Day Ceremony
Are people saying this is not true? It would be very hard to inflate these publicly stated statistics.
If people didnt participate in the match because they were not ready to apply (class size should be 230 or 240?), that would be a different problem (drop out or didnt pass tests).
I completely agree and appreciate this perspective.
Thanks @wysdoc. I was wondering where the 85% came from. That requires a 190 number for residency match even if starting at 230 class size.
What does this mean for those wanting to eventually match into a general surgery residency? Is this common as a match outcome or a red flag indicative of a poor match?
@Nanz90 that is a great point. Are you saying based on some internal list (have not been able to see a full match list), they didnt have any additional years for these 17 people like Derm, Optho or anything else and this was their backup only application for real surgery fields like Ortho and Neuro?
I was literally JUST reading up on this an hour ago. Looking at the match list, I realized that with such a large number of preliminary surgery matches, that's a lot of people hoping to secure the remainder of their residency at a later time. Do you think this had more to do with students shooting above their med school CV, or some other factor? You rarely see a preliminary spot listed within a school's top few specialties for a graduating class. I wanted to ask someone at UTMB about this, but was trying to figure out how best to approach it and who to ask. Appreciate you coming on to speak up.
Schools like McGovern and UTSW publish a complete of their matches including names so one can actually see if the prelim year has a matching follow up program (1 year IM, 3 years derm or 1 year surgery 4 years radiology etc). We are unable to find similar lists for some of the Texas schools although I suspect these are internally available to graduating students.
Excellent question! I thought of you when I noticed that prelim number an hour ago and was gonna hit you up about it. Ain't this process grand?
Looking at their actual match list on their site, they show 12 general surgery prelim matches, with only one of those having a full residency slot attached to their prelim year. Kinda scary...
Yep! 15/24 with just the prelim year. A surprisingly high number for UTMB in 2022. Only one year guaranteed. Maybe too "chill?" I kid, I kid.
There must be some counseling that they are missing or some got their confidence by sleeping at a holiday inn (I kid - i know they are all real doctors!).
It is truly a crapshoot! Top student at Baylor unable to match into ortho multiple years?? I sure hope they've landed somewhere by now and were able to move on. Had to be devastating.
