2022-2023 UTMB (Sealy)

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Does anyone have any idea when interview decisions are released for out-of-state students? It wasn't covered during interview day for us!
 
PlzLetmeIn12 said:
Does anyone have any idea when interview decisions are released for out-of-state students? It wasn't covered during interview day for us!
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Any time after October 15th and up to school orientation. I know this is of no help to those waiting a long time to hear.
Probably, if you are OOS and have not been accepted by our Match Day for Texans in March, you will be offered a WL position or denied.
 
wysdoc said:
Any time after October 15th and up to school orientation. I know this is of no help to those waiting a long time to hear.
Probably, if you are OOS and have not been accepted by our Match Day for Texans in March, you will be offered a WL position or denied.
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Good to know, thank you! UTMB is my dream school, this wait is going to kill me haha.
 
There have been OOS applicants admitted in this cycle.
 
clintstevens said:
Only thing that is for sure, is that there will be one more wave before the holidays. And that “majority of prematches will be sent in January”
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Oh that is good to know. Did they say this in a recent interview or how did you find out?
 
I have few questions as I am not familiar with the Galveston area. I am in process ranking.
Does anyone know where UTMB students go for rotation. Can they go to Houston, TMC. Do they get their first choice.
Can students easily commute from Houston to Galveston daily?
 
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Max2022 said:
I have few questions as I am not familiar with the Galveston area. I am in process ranking.
Does anyone know where UTMB students go for rotation. Can they go to Houston, TMC. Do they get their first choice.
Can students easily commute from Houston to Galveston daily?
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I dont believe students do required rotations outside of Galveston.
Commute from how far is a better question. Center of Houston is 50 miles away.
 
Max2022 said:
I have few questions as I am not familiar with the Galveston area. I am in process ranking.
Does anyone know where UTMB students go for rotation. Can they go to Houston, TMC. Do they get their first choice.
Can students easily commute from Houston to Galveston daily?
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I would say most students live on Galveston Island, but commuting from a nearby smaller town like Texas City, Dickinson, or as far as League City would be workable. These are all between Galveston and Houston so you would not be hitting that Houston traffic.
I don't recommend trying to commute from Houston. Houston is close enough to visit on weekends of course.

UTMB students do not rotate at TMC but some go to St. Joseph Hospital in Houston for the inpatient psychiatry block.
They used to do some rotations in Tyler, but I'm not sure if that will continue now that UT Tyler is opening up. Maybe until they have MS3 and MS4 students?
 
wysdoc said:
I would say most students live on Galveston Island, but commuting from a nearby smaller town like Texas City, Dickinson, or as far as League City would be workable. These are all between Galveston and Houston so you would not be hitting that Houston traffic.
I don't recommend trying to commute from Houston. Houston is close enough to visit on weekends of course.

UTMB students do not rotate at TMC but some go to St. Joseph Hospital in Houston for the inpatient psychiatry block.
They used to do some rotations in Tyler, but I'm not sure if that will continue now that UT Tyler is opening up. Maybe until they have MS3 and MS4 students?
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Does one have options to do core clerkships and rotations say in Houston or Dallas. I have some family in Houston and Dallas.
I was just wondering do students get choices to pick or are they required to be on Galveston for all 4 years of medical school. why can't they rotate as TMC? I am new to this and a premed.
 
texasvandy said:
I dont believe students do required rotations outside of Galveston.
Commute from how far is a better question. Center of Houston is 50 miles away.
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Like drivable distance to commute everyday. In Galveston what are some towns students stay that are nice? How long is the core rotations and other rotations? I believe they start in year 3? Can you pls let me know which are allowed outside Galveston?
 
Max2022 said:
Does one have options to do core clerkships and rotations say in Houston or Dallas. I have some family in Houston and Dallas.
I was just wondering do students get choices to pick or are they required to be on Galveston for all 4 years of medical school. why can't they rotate as TMC? I am new to this and a premed.
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TMC is used by students from Baylor, McGovern, and A&M EnMed students.
Your MS3 core rotations will be in Galveston but I suppose you might be able to get a couple of electives elsewhere
 
As @wysdoc mentions, most core rotations are dictated by the medical school which is about an year. The electives are what you choose (you can choose not to do any if you are not aiming for competitive residencies) and you request other schools to give you the opportunity to rotate through them. This happens mainly in MS4. I know someone who was rotating through Long, McGovern etc in their 4th year in the middle of residency applications because they wanted to come back home to Texas and were studying for 8 years in away BS/MD program.
 
wysdoc said:
TMC is used by students from Baylor, McGovern, and A&M EnMed students.
Your MS3 core rotations will be in Galveston but I suppose you might be able to get a couple of electives elsewhere
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Ok got it. Would you know if UTMB has good rotation options?
 
wysdoc said:
TMC is used by students from Baylor, McGovern, and A&M EnMed students.
Your MS3 core rotations will be in Galveston but I suppose you might be able to get a couple of electives elsewhere
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wysdoc said:
TMC is used by students from Baylor, McGovern, and A&M EnMed students.
Your MS3 core rotations will be in Galveston but I suppose you might be able to get a couple of electives elsewhere
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So all of rotations for UTMB are in Galveston. I thought they had some affiliated hospitals in Houston as well?
 
wysdoc said:
@esob can you chime in?
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I spoke to @esob a few months ago and he informed me that all UTMB students are required to do two core rotations outside of the main UTMB Galveston network of hospitals. So you can choose to do, for example, your FM and Peds rotations at clinics in Houston, and then the remaining core rotations will be done at the UTMB hospitals. But it will also be good if he chimes in offers direct info, as there is always a chance I misinterpreted something.
 
From my understanding on the tour, UTMB has the option to rank 3rd year rotation sites between Galveston, Houston (not TMC), Tyler, and Beaumont. With these, you live there the entire year and UTMB provides housing. There's also one rotation in Corpus Christi, but this is mostly for the bilingual medicine track. 4th year, most people do away rotations around the country with some electives done in Galveston.
 
boomertexas said:
From my understanding on the tour, UTMB has the option to rank 3rd year rotation sites between Galveston, Houston (not TMC), Tyler, and Beaumont. With these, you live there the entire year and UTMB provides housing. There's also one rotation in Corpus Christi, but this is mostly for the bilingual medicine track. 4th year, most people do away rotations around the country with some electives done in Galveston.
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With UTT starting next year, is Tyler even an option for the 2023-2027 batch?
 
boomertexas said:
From my understanding on the tour, UTMB has the option to rank 3rd year rotation sites between Galveston, Houston (not TMC), Tyler, and Beaumont. With these, you live there the entire year and UTMB provides housing. There's also one rotation in Corpus Christi, but this is mostly for the bilingual medicine track. 4th year, most people do away rotations around the country with some electives done in Galveston.
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It would be so crazy to live in one of the cities away from the UTMB hospitals for an entire year. Their clinical sites and the associated residencies are part of what makes UTMB a solid choice, in my opinion. I thought folks just traveled for certain rotations. An entire year outside of Galveston would be a huge negative, in my opinion, from a clinical opportunities standpoint (LORs, relationships with PDs associated with specialties of interest, etc). I could be wrong, but that's my preliminary line of thinking.
 
skeptastic said:
It would be so crazy to live in one of the cities away from the UTMB hospitals for an entire year. Their clinical sites and the associated residencies are part of what makes UTMB a solid choice, in my opinion. I thought folks just traveled for certain rotations. An entire year outside of Galveston would be a huge negative, in my opinion, from a clinical opportunities standpoint (LORs, relationships with PDs associated with specialties of interest, etc). I could be wrong, but that's my preliminary line of thinking.
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I think you only get placed there if you rank it highly, so it's mostly people from the area or with family there. If you tank Galveston 1, you're likely to stay there
 
boomertexas said:
I think you only get placed there if you rank it highly, so it's mostly people from the area or with family there. If you tank Galveston 1, you're likely to stay there
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That makes a lot of sense. I can see some folks wanting to route where closer to where they jay wanna end up long-term, or just wanting to spend that year closer to family/friends.
 
skeptastic said:
It would be so crazy to live in one of the cities away from the UTMB hospitals for an entire year. Their clinical sites and the associated residencies are part of what makes UTMB a solid choice, in my opinion. I thought folks just traveled for certain rotations. An entire year outside of Galveston would be a huge negative, in my opinion, from a clinical opportunities standpoint (LORs, relationships with PDs associated with specialties of interest, etc). I could be wrong, but that's my preliminary line of thinking.
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I thought it was just a rotation or two away, not a whole year. @boomertexas are you confusing this school with A&M?
 
@esob just confirmed with me that you only do two rotations off-island, with most people having FM as one because they only have like 8 slots for med students to do their FM rotation at the home site. The family and I are putting up our tree and decorations, but I'll get back to you all with more about what @esob said tomorrow.
 
skeptastic said:
@esob just confirmed with me that you only do two rotations off-island, with most people having FM as one because they only have like 8 slots for med students to do their FM rotation at the home site. The family and I are putting up our tree and decorations, but I'll get back to you all with more about what @esob said tomorrow.
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There are people willing to come over to help set up the tree so you spend more time here regurgitating what you know. 😀

Sealy is the oldest medical school in all of Texas and to me it makes no sense to do rotations somewhere else for someone doing an MD there unless there are some areas they do require you to go out for like FM or Psychiatry. There are many Houstonians there but dont remember anyone spending an year in Houston doing their rotations. On a side note, if not TMC where do they do the rotations for a whole year?
 
skeptastic said:
It would be so crazy to live in one of the cities away from the UTMB hospitals for an entire year. Their clinical sites and the associated residencies are part of what makes UTMB a solid choice, in my opinion. I thought folks just traveled for certain rotations. An entire year outside of Galveston would be a huge negative, in my opinion, from a clinical opportunities standpoint (LORs, relationships with PDs associated with specialties of interest, etc). I could be wrong, but that's my preliminary line of thinking.
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Just curious who writes LORs for med students. Can they be your professors from first two year of Med school or are they physicians who you do rotations with.
One more question - The physicians you rotate with during year 3, do you know them from before, trying to understand if you spend entire year rotating say in Houston is one year is not enough for LORs? is it not same as doing rotation in Galveston
 
Max2022 said:
Just curious who writes LORs for med students. Can they be your professors from first two year of Med school or are they physicians who you do rotations with.
One more question - The physicians you rotate with during year 3, do you know them from before, trying to understand if you spend entire year rotating say in Houston is one year is not enough for LORs? is it not same as doing rotation in Galveston
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Every medical student gets one recommendation from the dean called MSPE (Medical student Performance Evaluation) that stays with them for everything they do starting in residency (carries over to fellowship, super fellowship etc). Normally they would need recommendations from others to support their application for the field they are applying to and so the more well known professor is the better your application if you are applying to tough to get into fields. You would want surgery faculty to give surgery recs, IM faculty to give IM recs, derm faculty to give derm recs and so on.

MSPE is a summary of your performance at school, tidbits of your rotation evals, any awards you received at school and how you compared to rest of your class (top 10%, top 25% or actual rank in class).
 
texasvandy said:
Every medical student gets one recommendation from the dean called MSPE (Medical student Performance Evaluation) that stays with them for everything they do starting in residency (carries over to fellowship, super fellowship etc). Normally they would need recommendations from others to support their application for the field they are applying to and so the more well known professor is the better your application if you are applying to tough to get into fields. You would want surgery faculty to give surgery recs, IM faculty to give IM recs, derm faculty to give derm recs and so on.

MSPE is a summary of your performance at school, tidbits of your rotation evals, any awards you received at school and how you compared to rest of your class (top 10%, top 25% or actual rank in class).
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Thanks for your detailed answer. If USMLE step 1 is P/F then how is rank calculated.
 
So the other important piece that @esob shared was that he does know of people doing the entire year if core clerkships in Houston, but not the other sites. He said the will check, though. Also, it sounds like if you have a credible reason for staying on the island for all rotations, it is possible to do all core rotations on the island and not have to travel for two rotations (of course, FM is a tough one because of the very limited number of slots). He said everyone he knew that was able to stay on the island for FM, as an example, was married and most also had children. It's easier to be approved to stay at theme sites for your one other core rotation that is typically done elsewhere, but FM is the challenging one. And even for the additional, non-FM rotation done off-campus, you need a compelling reason.

Pretty good insight!
 
texasvandy said:
There are people willing to come over to help set up the tree so you spend more time here regurgitating what you know. 😀

Sealy is the oldest medical school in all of Texas and to me it makes no sense to do rotations somewhere else for someone doing an MD there unless there are some areas they do require you to go out for like FM or Psychiatry. There are many Houstonians there but dont remember anyone spending an year in Houston doing their rotations. On a side note, if not TMC where do they do the rotations for a whole year?
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Completely agree! UTMB's residences have a strong reputation, so I couldn't imagine benefiting more doing most rotations at hospitals outside of the Sealy network. It sounds like with FM, you might be better off doing the rotation off-site since you'll be less involved on the island, with the large number of FM residents already doing most of the work. Even then, unless I'm mistaken, it seems like doing all rotations at major teaching hospitals would trump doing some at smaller clinics. All of this makes me realize that I need a firmer grasp of what sort of questions I should be asking surrounding clerkships at different schools.
 
Does anyone know if there are UTMB specific anki decks that students use for tests?
 
skeptastic said:
Completely agree! UTMB's residences have a strong reputation, so I couldn't imagine benefiting more doing most rotations at hospitals outside of the Sealy network. It sounds like with FM, you might be better off doing the rotation off-site since you'll be less involved on the island, with the large number of FM residents already doing most of the work. Even then, unless I'm mistaken, it seems like doing all rotations at major teaching hospitals would trump doing some at smaller clinics. All of this makes me realize that I need a firmer grasp of what sort of questions I should be asking surrounding clerkships at different schools.
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Is Pediatrics considered FM? Yes it is a good idea to know all aspects of rotations since it seems to be an imp part of med school and getting into residency. I am learning reading the replies.
 
Max2022 said:
Is Pediatrics considered FM? Yes it is a good idea to know all aspects of rotations since it seems to be an imp part of med school and getting into residency. I am learning reading the replies.
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FM is family medicine, which is its own specialty. FM residencies train physicians to treat adults and children. Pediatrics trains physicians to treat children only.
 
AstroSidekick said:
Does anyone know if there are UTMB specific anki decks that students use for tests?
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For our first class, GAR, we use a UTMB Anki deck, which is based on the SCRIBES. But afterwards, almost everyone who does anki uses AnKING. We have a document passed down which aligns the lectures to specific anki cards/B&B and currently working on an RxBricks version too.
 
This might have already been stated above, but here is some background:

1. The current model for 3rd year
- Everyone (well, almost) completes an FM rotation at a non-UTMB location. I'm reasonably sure this is because we have so many FM residents, leaving little room for med students, though that is merely my speculation.
- Everyone (well, almost) completes 1 other core rotation at a non-UTMB location
- Hence, the max # of non-UTMB clinical rotations that any given student should be REQUIRED to complete is 2
** There is at least one "Location Track," being in Houston. For those folks, they elect to do more/most of their rotations at Houston sites
** You can indicate a preference for a given area (Beaumont, for example), though not all of the rotations may be available for the location in any given year
** Current sites include Corpus, Beaumont, Houston, DFW, and Tyler, along with a host of sites with maybe just 1 or 2 students.

*** Hardship option: Students who would face hardship by completing rotations at non-UTMB locations can apply to have all of their rotations at UTMB locations. I don't know the exact number of spots, but I know people who applied and received this option and those who applied and were denied. In general, those approved were people responsible for providing childcare, though I know of at least one approved person where this was not the case. The individual I know that was denied had a valid reason for the request, but it was not as compelling as the hardships others would have endured. The TLDR is that if you have kids and going to non-UTMB locations would create undue hardship, you will likely complete all rotations at UTMB, though that doesn't necessarily mean Galveston. UTMB locations can include sites that are up to ~ an hr away from Galveston.

Also, it should be noted that non-UTMB sites can change. More than a decade ago, some UTMB students completed all rotations in Austin (prior to Dell). With the opening of Dell, however, those rotations went away. UT Tyler has a new SOM coming and I highly suspect that UTMB rotations in Tyler are likely to be removed for the same reason. In fact, evolving rotation sites is something everyone can expect to face even through residency, regardless of program stature. For example, UTSW child psych access is moving outside of DFW.
 
esob said:
This might have already been stated above, but here is some background:

1. The current model for 3rd year
- Everyone (well, almost) completes an FM rotation at a non-UTMB location. I'm reasonably sure this is because we have so many FM residents, leaving little room for med students, though that is merely my speculation.
- Everyone (well, almost) completes 1 other core rotation at a non-UTMB location
- Hence, the max # of non-UTMB clinical rotations that any given student should be REQUIRED to complete is 2
** There is at least one "Location Track," being in Houston. For those folks, they elect to do more/most of their rotations at Houston sites
** You can indicate a preference for a given area (Beaumont, for example), though not all of the rotations may be available for the location in any given year
** Current sites include Corpus, Beaumont, Houston, DFW, and Tyler, along with a host of sites with maybe just 1 or 2 students.

*** Hardship option: Students who would face hardship by completing rotations at non-UTMB locations can apply to have all of their rotations at UTMB locations. I don't know the exact number of spots, but I know people who applied and received this option and those who applied and were denied. In general, those approved were people responsible for providing childcare, though I know of at least one approved person where this was not the case. The individual I know that was denied had a valid reason for the request, but it was not as compelling as the hardships others would have endured. The TLDR is that if you have kids and going to non-UTMB locations would create undue hardship, you will likely complete all rotations at UTMB, though that doesn't necessarily mean Galveston. UTMB locations can include sites that are up to ~ an hr away from Galveston.

Also, it should be noted that non-UTMB sites can change. More than a decade ago, some UTMB students completed all rotations in Austin (prior to Dell). With the opening of Dell, however, those rotations went away. UT Tyler has a new SOM coming and I highly suspect that UTMB rotations in Tyler are likely to be removed for the same reason. In fact, evolving rotation sites is something everyone can expect to face even through residency, regardless of program stature. For example, UTSW child psych access is moving outside of DFW.
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Thanks @esob for the helpful details.
I suspect Tyler will continue to be a site for UTMB students until UT Tyler has some MS3-MS4 students, so at least 2 more years.
 
esob said:
This might have already been stated above, but here is some background:

1. The current model for 3rd year
- Everyone (well, almost) completes an FM rotation at a non-UTMB location. I'm reasonably sure this is because we have so many FM residents, leaving little room for med students, though that is merely my speculation.
- Everyone (well, almost) completes 1 other core rotation at a non-UTMB location
- Hence, the max # of non-UTMB clinical rotations that any given student should be REQUIRED to complete is 2
** There is at least one "Location Track," being in Houston. For those folks, they elect to do more/most of their rotations at Houston sites
** You can indicate a preference for a given area (Beaumont, for example), though not all of the rotations may be available for the location in any given year
** Current sites include Corpus, Beaumont, Houston, DFW, and Tyler, along with a host of sites with maybe just 1 or 2 students.

*** Hardship option: Students who would face hardship by completing rotations at non-UTMB locations can apply to have all of their rotations at UTMB locations. I don't know the exact number of spots, but I know people who applied and received this option and those who applied and were denied. In general, those approved were people responsible for providing childcare, though I know of at least one approved person where this was not the case. The individual I know that was denied had a valid reason for the request, but it was not as compelling as the hardships others would have endured. The TLDR is that if you have kids and going to non-UTMB locations would create undue hardship, you will likely complete all rotations at UTMB, though that doesn't necessarily mean Galveston. UTMB locations can include sites that are up to ~ an hr away from Galveston.

Also, it should be noted that non-UTMB sites can change. More than a decade ago, some UTMB students completed all rotations in Austin (prior to Dell). With the opening of Dell, however, those rotations went away. UT Tyler has a new SOM coming and I highly suspect that UTMB rotations in Tyler are likely to be removed for the same reason. In fact, evolving rotation sites is something everyone can expect to face even through residency, regardless of program stature. For example, UTSW child psych access is moving outside of DFW.
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Super informative! Appreciate your detailed input in the thread!
 
Anyone else going to the virtual tow hall today? Are they meant to be formal? Like should I dress up?
 
MCAThiccy said:
Interview day is going nicely. The students are kind and chill. We did have a gunner in the group though. Will update you when I'm done with the MMI. UTMB seems to value collaborative efforts such as teaching others or TA's (for future applicants).
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This is good to know that they like collaborative efforts for teaching, given that I am instruct for ACLS, BLS and PALS.
 
Does anyone know when the next round of pre-matches is coming out? (or at least what days the last rounds were) Thanks!
 
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