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that’s a fast turnaround!
yeah!!! im honestly shocked i really wasn't expecting to hear anything back this soon especially since my mcat is a few points below their median?? regardless im super grateful bc this is one of my top schools 🙂

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yeah!!! im honestly shocked i really wasn't expecting to hear anything back this soon especially since my mcat is a few points below their median?? regardless im super grateful bc this is one of my top schools 🙂
so happy for you!
 
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Does anyone know if UTSW sends II throughout the day or all at one time?
 
Dang all the OOS II’s have super high MCATs
Unfortunately Texas schools try to bump up their medians with high stat OOS. Lot of OOS people with high stats apply to UTSW since they waive OOS premium to admitted students as a policy.
 
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IS II today! LM 82. Complete 8/13. Think it might be an auto-interview for my stats because they have only had my secondary for 10 days lol.
Nah your writing is good fam. UTSW doesn't do the auto interview anymore. It's more like you need top stats to get group 1 but top stats is certainly not enough. I was complete 7/18 and got an interview 7/30 and my interviewer even commented on my writing.
 
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Nah your writing is good fam. UTSW doesn't do the auto interview anymore. It's more like you need top stats to get group 1 but top stats is certainly not enough. I was complete 7/21 and got an interview 8/1 and my interviewer even commented on my writing.

What’s the cutoff in terms of interview date for group 1?
 
Nah your writing is good fam. UTSW doesn't do the auto interview anymore. It's more like you need top stats to get group 1 but top stats is certainly not enough. I was complete 7/21 and got an interview 8/1 and my interviewer even commented on my writing.
That's good to hear! Thanks for letting me know. You already interviewed after being invited on 8/1? My earliest interview available was beginning of October.
 
when’s the soonest you can hear a decision? oct 16?
The earliest acceptances can go out is October 15 (this is the same for AMCAS schools too).

I will explain and talk about this more on the TMDSAS questions thread in a few months, but TMDSAS schools have our Match Day in February, and between October 15 and January our TMDSAS schools can make a "pre-match" offer to students they really liked at an interview.
A lot of applicants get really sad if they have no pre-match offers, but last year TMDSAS published a statistical report pointing out that only
1 out of 7 interviewed TMDSAS applicants gets any pre-match offers. The other 6 out of 7 find out their school on Match Day.
 
whoa cool, thank you! does pre-match apply for OOS applicants?
OOS applicants do not use the TMDSAS Match system, but the earliest day an OOS applicant can get an admission offer is also October 15.
You will handle any offers & waitlists just like you are instructed in the AMCAS Guide
 
OOS applicants do not use the TMDSAS Match system, but the earliest day an OOS applicant can get an admission offer is also October 15.
You will handle any offers & waitlists just like you are instructed in the AMCAS Guide
TMDSAS used to be weird a few years ago. The only people who found out before November 15th were OOS (Oct 15th) and JAMP. Rest of IS had to wait until Nov 15th.
 
TMDSAS used to be weird a few years ago. The only people who found out before November 15th were OOS (Oct 15th) and JAMP. Rest of IS had to wait until Nov 15th.
That's wild.
 
The earliest acceptances can go out is October 15 (this is the same for AMCAS schools too).

I will explain and talk about this more on the TMDSAS questions thread in a few months, but TMDSAS schools have our Match Day in February, and between October 15 and January our TMDSAS schools can make a "pre-match" offer to students they really liked at an interview.
A lot of applicants get really sad if they have no pre-match offers, but last year TMDSAS published a statistical report pointing out that only
1 out of 7 interviewed TMDSAS applicants gets any pre-match offers. The other 6 out of 7 find out their school on Match Day.
Did it say how many students from the 6 out 7 actually match?
 
Did it say how many students from the 6 out 7 actually match?
I can't answer your specific question @littlelonghorn777 because although a pre-match offer is a true offer of admission and will lead to a Match, it is possible to have several TMDSAS interviews and not match at any of them.

Our application statistics are a little hard to judge because the "Total applicants" number includes those who submitted a TMDSAS primary but never completed their secondary or other parts of he application cycle.

A more useful number is to compare the number of In-state applicants who get interviews to the number who matriculate. I don't think comparing it to the number of acceptances is as helpful because as we see year to year there are some highly qualified Texans who get several offers of admission but of course in the end can only attend (matriculate to) one school. Some of these rockstars also leave for an AMCAS school and so while they will show up as an acceptance, they will not show up as a matriculant in the stats.

For the past 3 years: (Texan TMDSAS applicants)
2022 Applied: 4985, Interviews: 2953, Matriculated: 1990
2021 Applied: 5575, Interviews: 3104, Matriculated: 1720
2020 Applied: 4615, Interviews: 2968, Matriculated: 1672

Conclude from this that getting a chance to interview is very important to ending up with an acceptance, so treat every interview opportunity with respect and interest.
 
I can't answer your specific question @littlelonghorn777 because although a pre-match offer is a true offer of admission and will lead to a Match, it is possible to have several TMDSAS interviews and not match at any of them.

Our application statistics are a little hard to judge because the "Total applicants" number includes those who submitted a TMDSAS primary but never completed their secondary or other parts of he application cycle.

A more useful number is to compare the number of In-state applicants who get interviews to the number who matriculate. I don't think comparing it to the number of acceptances is as helpful because as we see year to year there are some highly qualified Texans who get several offers of admission but of course in the end can only attend (matriculate to) one school. Some of these rockstars also leave for an AMCAS school and so while they will show up as an acceptance, they will not show up as a matriculant in the stats.

For the past 3 years: (Texan TMDSAS applicants)
2022 Applied: 4985, Interviews: 2953, Matriculated: 1990
2021 Applied: 5575, Interviews: 3104, Matriculated: 1720
2020 Applied: 4615, Interviews: 2968, Matriculated: 1672

Conclude from this that getting a chance to interview is very important to ending up with an acceptance, so treat every interview opportunity with respect and interest.
2022 interview to success rate was 2/3rd.

What is more interesting is those who got interviews and didnt get in, there were several in the last cycle (2022-2023) who got in, including some to Baylor. One only had 2 interviews in 2022 but got 5-6 for 2023, a repeat interview at Baylor and got in.
 
2022 interview to success rate was 2/3rd.

What is more interesting is those who got interviews and didnt get in, there were several in the last cycle (2022-2023) who got in, including some to Baylor. One only had 2 interviews in 2022 but got 5-6 for 2023, a repeat interview at Baylor and got in.
It helps to improve your application in some fashion before reapplying, which I believe those who were more successful the second time had done.
 
A couple people have DM'd me asking why I chose UTSW over Baylor. I'll summarize what I told people here:

The two schools are super similar and I loved my interview and visits to both. I especially loved Baylor because I have lots of friends living in Houston. Reasons I picked UTSW instead:
  1. UTSW has much better in-house residency programs. UTSW is #1 in the nation for plastic surgery, #6 Urology, #8 Dermatology, #9 internal medicine, etc etc etc. So your in-house residency is fantastic and that takes some stress off with matching.
  2. UTSW is the only medical school in Dallas, so UTSW students get all the resources, scholarships, and opportunities. Baylor students have to compete with McGovern students, UH students, A&M EnMed students, etc.
  3. UTSW is extremely active in improving the medical school and the UTSW medical center is growing fast. They're literally building a new psychiatric hospital and pediatrics hospital right now. This means UTSW will only get better over time.
Also something to consider, which I think is still a thing this year(?):
  • Baylor randomly assigns 40ish students to their Temple campus and you can't transfer between campuses. So consider if you're interested in being at Temple. Though if someone knows more about this, please comment.
Now that I'm at UTSW, I actually love it. There feel like an infinite amount of opportunities; we literally get emails all the time with attendings looking for med student researchers or offering shadowing opportunities. And the professors and upperclassmen do a great job making you feel like part of the UTSW family, even for OOS students. I went in fully expecting to just get my degree and get out, but now I feel a strong sense of belonging.
I've received a few more DM's regarding how to choose between UTSW and Baylor.

I'd say first get accepted to both. Having an upcoming interview is not the same as having an acceptance in hand. Once you've been accepted, make sure you do the revisit weekend for both schools and really try to explore both the TMC and UTSW Medical Center respectively. The vibes for both are quite different, even though the quality of education you'll receive at Baylor vs UTSW is very equal. Plus, I think your particular cohort of students shapes your experience more than the school.

If you still can't decide, then I'd really try to think about what you want out of your medical school experience. If you're gung-ho about dermatology, for instance, then I'd recommend UTSW since we do really well in that field. Whereas I might suggest Baylor instead if you're passionate about cancer research since BCM students can work at MD Anderson (not that the Simmons Cancer Center is shabby!). But if you're undecided about specialty, don't have a ton of friends/family in either city, and the price is the same for both, then just go with your gut. You can't pick wrong and you'll have a great experience regardless of whether you're in Houston or Dallas.

Feel free to ask any questions as always.
 
I am adding on a few answers to questions regarding merit scholarships:

  • I believe UTSW offers all OOS students scholarships so that OOS students effectively pay in state tuition. Other Texas schools seem to have similar programs in place, but this is simply rumor based on what my OOS friends at other Texas schools have told me.

  • As far as I know, UTSW offers three big kinds of merit scholarships: full ride (COA), full tuition, partial tuition. These are not always offered when you are accepted. Sometimes the scholarship offer comes months later. There is no special application for merit scholarships; the admissions committee considers everyone who gets accepted and chooses. That's all I know about it. Don't worry about this too much, as you have no control over whether you are selected or not beyond submitting the best application possible, and only a handful (certainly less than 20, probably less than 10) of students in each cohort receives scholarships.

  • You can absolutely negotiate scholarships if you receive multiple offers. But this is a discussion for spring 2024, not right now 🙂
 
I am adding on a few answers to questions regarding merit scholarships:

  • I believe UTSW offers all OOS students scholarships so that OOS students effectively pay in state tuition. Other Texas schools seem to have similar programs in place, but this is simply rumor based on what my OOS friends at other Texas schools have told me.

  • As far as I know, UTSW offers three big kinds of merit scholarships: full ride (COA), full tuition, partial tuition. These are not always offered when you are accepted. Sometimes the scholarship offer comes months later. There is no special application for merit scholarships; the admissions committee considers everyone who gets accepted and chooses. That's all I know about it. Don't worry about this too much, as you have no control over whether you are selected or not beyond submitting the best application possible, and only a handful (certainly less than 20, probably less than 10) of students in each cohort receives scholarships.

  • You can absolutely negotiate scholarships if you receive multiple offers. But this is a discussion for spring 2024, not right now 🙂
USTW has an official policy about giving a $1000 scholarship for OOS students which qualifies them for instate tuition.

McGovern, UTSA and A&M have similar programs. UTMB does not give it to everyone based on results from last couple of years.

Baylor being a private school, does not have a similar policy. They get paid for the instate students they admit and since the OOS tuition is quite low compared to most Instate tuitions in other states, they dont feel a need to incentivize.
 
USTW has an official policy about giving a $1000 scholarship for OOS students which qualifies them for instate tuition.

McGovern, UTSA and A&M have similar programs. UTMB does not give it to everyone based on results from last couple of years.

Baylor being a private school, does not have a similar policy. They get paid for the instate students they admit and since the OOS tuition is quite low compared to most Instate tuitions in other states, they dont feel a need to incentivize.
Do you mean $10k? Haha

But yes, the OOS scholarship was a very nice surprise and definitely swayed me more towards Texas.
 
Do you mean $10k? Haha

But yes, the OOS scholarship was a very nice surprise and definitely swayed me more towards Texas.
People think of it as 10k but in reality OOS students pay 1k less than instate because the state policy across board says anyone doing a masters (not sure of undergrad) in Texas gets to pay instate tuition as long as their school gives them at least one thousand as a scholarship.

For med school the total is 11k. I dont know why the difference between IS and OOS is so low because other professions like MBA or law have much higher OOS tuition difference.
 
@rocketene hi! I had a question about grading at UTSW - at the info session during my interview they said it was P/F entirely, but I'm seeing elsewhere that it's actually graded and you're ranked. I was hoping you could clarify and maybe expand a little more on what the culture at UTSW is like if you are graded!
 
@rocketene hi! I had a question about grading at UTSW - at the info session during my interview they said it was P/F entirely, but I'm seeing elsewhere that it's actually graded and you're ranked. I was hoping you could clarify and maybe expand a little more on what the culture at UTSW is like if you are graded!
It is Pass/Fail for all of preclerkship (1.5 years). On your transcript, it will only say "Pass" or "Fail". You are not ranked until clerkship.

HOWEVER my understanding is that there is a caveat for AOA honor society distinction. Semester 2/3 grades matter in the sense that you should aim for a raw ~90% out of 100% for full points on AOA selection. Preclerkship grades do not matter at all for class rank. And there's no limit to how many people can earn the full points so it's not a bell curve or anything.

UTSW does two rounds of admission to AOA (one in MS3, one in MS4). If you're deadset on being in AOA and miss out in MS3, you just apply again in MS4.

Personally, this has really not impacted my experience at all. My class still shares their own anki decks and resources for every course, and I'd expect that is true for the classes above and below my year as well.
 
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This is the AOA selection criteria, for those super interested. Again, clerkship grades are what primarily determine eligibility for AOA consideration.

Selection Criteria
 
Is there a pre-interview social the day before the interview?
 
Are we sure they don’t have auto-interview? I submitted my secondary yesterday morning and got an II that evening (within 7 hours). That was so fast I’m scared it was a mistake or something.
Wow! What are your stats if you don't mind sharing?
 
IS, 3.9/519
Are we sure they don’t have auto-interview? I submitted my secondary yesterday morning and got an II that evening (within 7 hours). That was so fast I’m scared it was a mistake or something.
Officially not but they are getting to the end of group 1 lists, i.e., high stats and your numbers are in there so they probably already reviewed most of your file and waiting on the secondary before calling.

Do you have anything special on your app?
 
Officially not but they are getting to the end of group 1 lists, i.e., high stats and your numbers are in there so they probably already reviewed most of your file and waiting on the secondary before calling.

Do you have anything special on your app?
Don’t thing I had anything extraordinary, just the typical stuff.

Well I’m really grateful regardless.
 
Officially not but they are getting to the end of group 1 lists, i.e., high stats and your numbers are in there so they probably already reviewed most of your file and waiting on the secondary before calling.

Do you have anything special on your app?
for these groups or "batches", lets say you are a high stat applicant but are not considered for group 1...does that like exclude you from future batches/groups or is it kinda like youre put at the top of the list for the next round? and then, going off that, does that mean that applicants are really competing against their "batch" or the entire pool of applicants for that school?
 
for these groups or "batches", lets say you are a high stat applicant but are not considered for group 1...does that like exclude you from future batches/groups or is it kinda like youre put at the top of the list for the next round? and then, going off that, does that mean that applicants are really competing against their "batch" or the entire pool of applicants for that school?
You are not competing within the batch, but against the applicant pool as a whole.
If a high-stat applicant was also a bit of a procrastinator and turned in their app in late August, their app would not have been in those first few invitation dates with most of the other high stat applicants.
Of course their app will still be read and considered.
 
What @wysdoc said. UTSW is known to interview high stat and some institutional needs students early since what they consider group 2 is more holistic based review as they claimed in the past. Instate students meeting approximately LM 74 or higher meet the group 1 category.

Apparently division 1 football stars meet institutional needs. We just havent seen any come by until this year.
 
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