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Day 2 Yeet Tally
Coop (2)
- Zenge, Vis
dubz (2) - shorty, Dina
Vis (1) - sunshine
Dina (1) - dubz
sunshine (1) - Coop

7/11
yeet close in ~26.5 hours
 
Her comment on cubs got an eyebrow raise from me since she herself acknowledged it was a joke, so why is she using it to give him scum points?
Felt like a joke that was revealing of his mindset towards voting, i.e. not valuing it as much as I expect of a villager
 
Felt like a joke that was revealing of his mindset towards voting, i.e. not valuing it as much as I expect of a villager
This just feels hella stretchy to me. People make jokes about current and future voting all the time, no matter their affiliation.
 
Just my feeling on reading them. When I wolf I have much more of a mindset of worrying about crafting what I say, including fluff, and being much more neurotic about editing. In a game where you’re allowed to edit without noting it, I’m much more likely to go “oh no that post isn’t right, must edit right away before it would be noted as edited” as a wolf. And entering a thread as a wolf is straight terrifying imo, I can theoretically grasp the idea of someone not being tense as a wolf but it’s a kind of a foreign concept to me.
... Before being noted as edited?

Dude this reasoning makes literally no sense to me. Like ok you're a nervous wolf. But how does projecting that to a fluff post mean anything at all? Why would it matter that I can't spell opthalmology (did I do it right?!) It literally wouldn't. So I'm confused how you got there. You're telling me right now and it is just not computing.
 
Can you clarify your read on Chaos then because yesterday you were village reading him, today you put him in neutral scum-leaning, but now you're back to saying you don't think scum would give up a strong role like ninja (which chaos did).
My point about that specifically is that I don’t think scum would give up powerful roles over weaker scum roles, just to try and get village cred. Sunny finds it suspicious that I was unwilling to consider that possibility.

Generally I am more inclined to think village when seeing a strong scum role like that discarded but not guaranteed.

With regards to Chaos specifically, he’s in neutral. What concerns me, and why I feel the need to pay extra attention to his interactions (scum lean) is that I’m not used to seeing his level of involvement be this high. Being outside of what I’m used to seeing makes me want to watch more closely. But I certainly don’t want to condemn him for increasing his participation level.
 
Well I'm currently not splitting hairs too hard (which is probably the wrong approach for a multiball game but :shrug: I'll refine it later if I'm alive). I haven't come across any pingy posts from him myself, at least not the ones I've been reading closely, and did have a few where I was like "yes, village mindset here." Hence, village pile.
Which ones made you think this?
 
It’s a little strange to me, Dubz, that you’re comfortable town reading Zenge this early in the game. You haven’t been in the past, and he’s said some things and reacted in some ways that have really pinged me, so I’m curious what you’ve seen that’s making you willing to go there now.
Plus
Cray sus of zenge means he's probably village
 
Which ones made you think this?

I mean, I’ve gone back and forth about it. Not Chaos specifically, I am getting village vibes from him.

But the idea in general of choosing a 1x affiliation role to fake claim as scum, is it really that bold?

The thing is, it’s an enormous list of potential roles, so idk what the odds are but if you’re picking randomly, there’s a good chance that you might not hit something someone else has. Even if you do, there’s a decent chance that it might get ignored or overlooked by a player who simply isn’t paying attention to catch it.

Couple that with the fact that maybe your ability role, was a 1x village role And you’re fake claiming your affiliation as the ability role you choice. Plus a scum pack could pool their collective roles to help each other mix and match.

All this to say, I think claiming a 1x affiliation role is something I don’t think village should give too much weight to.
This one in particular felt good

I don't have others readily available off the top of my head (found this one because I reacted to it), I just know there were a few where I was like "seems village" and I haven't felt any pings there yet :shrug: still have to read from page 6 to close yesterday though.
 
This just feels hella stretchy to me. People make jokes about current and future voting all the time, no matter their affiliation.

Just like sussing coop for editing a joke post when she realized the joke wasn't going to land feels hella stretchy

... Before being noted as edited?

Dude this reasoning makes literally no sense to me. Like ok you're a nervous wolf. But how does projecting that to a fluff post mean anything at all? Why would it matter that I can't spell opthalmology (did I do it right?!) It literally wouldn't. So I'm confused how you got there. You're telling me right now and it is just not computing.
:shrug: I can’t really justify my gut reaction to a post. It’s just how I felt about it.
 
hi yall! catching up after errands and house cleaning this morning/afternoon.

Well, but we don’t know which of those factions are in the game. And on top of that, they don’t know who the other scum factions are. So while I’d agree that we have a bit of an uphill battle to scumhunt in time, unless all the people who are scum are super good at IDing villagers, I think there will probably be some cross-traffic of scum-on-scum violence too.
adding to this, do we know how parity works for the factions? like if there are 2 mafia and 2 wolf, does that make 4 parity or 2 parity
i guess can they theoretically win together?
i know it doesn't do much for actually figuring out who's who, but it's nice to know how close we are to marvolo lol



Now that Wonder has flipped town , Coopah's vote and unvote yesterday feels towny rather than scummy tbh
why? i'm going w the explanation of pure joke for now- but what made you flip towny on it?
That is just sorta a general thing. Scum dont really care about who dies on D1 , so they usually wont be the first person to get off of a leading wagon unless its a partner
like i guess but idk if i'd town lean her just for that




Haven’t seen anything super wolfy, but I’m not seeing a lot of pro village play either. Neutral for now.
curious as to why WZ was in your village leans instead of like a seperate neutral category?

Vis is very good at flying under the radar as a wolf and replicating her village tone. I haven’t seen anything this game that makes me feel super good about this being Village!Vis but nothing nefarious either so I’m keeping my eye out here. She can be very good at wolfing.
but see i don't think she's doing that. when i woofed w visc (granted they were SUPER busy at the time) it was more speculation and wall posts, not as much getting into the action like we've seen here. I'm town leaning visc for now

overall i'm not vibing w z's reads as much as i normally do when he's village which makes me nervous


I mentioned yesterday that I thought multiple existing roles (like vanilla town) were a safe option for scum to choose as their aff role reveal and it looks like stagg did just that.

Looking at the list it seems alley, dubz, & coop also claimed it. I'd have to go through the list to see how many people claimed an aff role that was able to be rolled by multiple people
similarly, i've given a single village point to anyone who claimed an affil role besides vanilla, and no points either way for those who did. my logic being is that it's bold to claim something that could be refuted by someone else
These are the people who claimed roles with multiples:

me & sunny (town mason)
please (town doctor)
Vis (town conspiracy theorist)
alley, Dubz, and Coop all claimed vanilla townie
cubs (town lover)

The only living people who claimed a 1-only role are Zenge, you, and chaos.
this is very helpful
so hm
maybe half a village point to those with abilities instead bc there are still caps lol



Lmfao are you really trying to sell this idea that my asking you for reads is a tunnel?
i love when shorty and z get sassy on the thread. its fun to picture them ww'ing while like putting together place cards for the wedding and having a very sassy interaction here and a pleasant conversation at the same time irl


Twice in under an hour, in a 36 hour game, felt a little aggressive.

Plus trying to make me out to be stretchy for trying to understand the point Chaos was making.
to be fair she's asked nearly everyone for reads, just asked multiple times from people who haven't given like comprehensive ones yet



It's what you were pointing to :shrug: you very specifically mentioned me giving reads. I gave you what I have right now and it was still in your reasoning for scum reading me. So.
this interaction between dubz and shorty is feeling a little more v/v to me





i here!!!!


I'm feeling worse about vis overall as I'm reading.
im not understanding the visc sus



also im feeling worse about sunny now. someone voted there and sunny didn't react in the way i expect village sunny to, which pings me as trying to get attention away from the vote which is not normally how that goes
 
adding to this, do we know how parity works for the factions? like if there are 2 mafia and 2 wolf, does that make 4 parity or 2 parity
i guess can they theoretically win together?
i know it doesn't do much for actually figuring out who's who, but it's nice to know how close we are to marvolo lol
There is no "parity" in this setup because mafia and woofs and aliens have to get rid of everyone else to win

Parity can only exist between village and one other killing faction (so they're counted separately, not together) since they have to get rid of each other
  • You win when all players without a Mafia wincon are wiped out and at least one Mafia-aligned player is still alive (or nothing can prevent the same).
  • You win when all players without a Werewolf wincon are wiped out and at least one Werewolf-aligned player is still alive (or nothing can prevent the same).
  • You win when all players without an Alien wincon are wiped out and at least one Alien-aligned player is still alive (or nothing can prevent the same).


Same with cult and SK
 
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Yeah and I'm saying your gut feeling is resulting in you throwing mad shade which I don't think is justified.
Like I said, I can understand that not everyone reacts to wolfing the same way I do, so with Dubz vouching that she wouldn’t expect you to be tense I’m not putting weight on my read of those posts. But they never factored into my read of you as much as the possible fishing, playing up not understanding, and refusal for much of yesterday to work with anyone.
 
There is no "parity" in this setup because mafia and woofs and aliens have to get rid of everyone else to win
  • You win when all players without a Mafia wincon are wiped out and at least one Mafia-aligned player is still alive (or nothing can prevent the same).
  • You win when all players without a Werewolf wincon are wiped out and at least one Werewolf-aligned player is still alive (or nothing can prevent the same).
  • You win when all players without an Alien wincon are wiped out and at least one Alien-aligned player is still alive (or nothing can prevent the same).


Same with cult and SK
This is equivalent to being at parity with town and no other killing roles alive/active, if that helps thinking about when we would be at mylo etc @alleycat03
 
This is equivalent to being at parity with town and no other killing roles alive/active, if that helps thinking about when we would be at mylo etc @alleycat03
Hmm. I guess I was reading it as last faction standing but the "or nothing can prevent this from happening" line makes sense for referring to normal parity. Though technically idk if that is the case since if it's 2 village 2 mafia there could still be a tie vote (do we know how toes are decided) and parity is just convention in that case.


Uhhh @Animal Midwife @Dr. ForgotToFlush help
 
Hmm. I guess I was reading it as last faction standing but the "or nothing can prevent this from happening" line makes sense for referring to normal parity. Though technically idk if that is the case since if it's 2 village 2 mafia there could still be a tie vote (do we know how toes are decided) and parity is just convention in that case.


Uhhh @Animal Midwife @Dr. ForgotToFlush help
That should say ties but the typo is amusing me
 
Like I said, I can understand that not everyone reacts to wolfing the same way I do, so with Dubz vouching that she wouldn’t expect you to be tense I’m not putting weight on my read of those posts. But they never factored into my read of you as much as the possible fishing, playing up not understanding, and refusal for much of yesterday to work with anyone.
And my response to that is bite me
 
curious as to why WZ was in your village leans instead of like a seperate neutral category?
The bottom line is Neutrals are neutrals. Some I’m a little more concerned about, some a little less, but they’re all Neutral at the moment.
but see i don't think she's doing that. when i woofed w visc (granted they were SUPER busy at the time) it was more speculation and wall posts, not as much getting into the action like we've seen here. I'm town leaning visc for now
Having also wolfed with Vis, and more recently, when she wasn’t busy, she has gotten better. She’s in my neutrals at the moment. I just want to watch her more closely, because I know she can be a powerful wolf who can look very village.
 
There is no "parity" in this setup because mafia and woofs and aliens have to get rid of everyone else to win

Parity can only exist between village and one other killing faction (so they're counted separately, not together) since they have to get rid of each other
  • You win when all players without a Mafia wincon are wiped out and at least one Mafia-aligned player is still alive (or nothing can prevent the same).
  • You win when all players without a Werewolf wincon are wiped out and at least one Werewolf-aligned player is still alive (or nothing can prevent the same).
  • You win when all players without an Alien wincon are wiped out and at least one Alien-aligned player is still alive (or nothing can prevent the same).


Same with cult and SK
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The bottom line is Neutrals are neutrals. Some I’m a little more concerned about, some a little less, but they’re all Neutral at the moment.
If neutrals are neutrals, why did you split them up? It's just weird because you have Dubz, an apparent true neutral, sandwiched between people where you specifically say that they were village-neutral. Almost like you needed to stick her in somewhere and forgot to be careful with your phrasing to be consistent.
 
If neutrals are neutrals, why did you split them up? It's just weird because you have Dubz, an apparent true neutral, sandwiched between people where you specifically say that they were village-neutral. Almost like you needed to stick her in somewhere and forgot to be careful with your phrasing to be consistent.
Because there were a lot of them and I felt slightly better about some, and more concerned about others, but not good enough or poor enough about any of them at that moment to move them into village or scum piles.

Dubz is where she is because I don’t see a lot that presently concerns me. Not enough to move her into village, but nothing outside of what I would expect to see coming from village Dubz.
 
village side of neutral;
alley, chaos, dina, shorty, visc, zenge, wonder

neutral;
cray, cubs, dubz, sunny, zenge

wolfy side of neutral;
coopah, stagg

undecided: sunny

idk how to interpret stagg's confusion about the role stuff combined with coming on kinda strong w alley stuff imo; and then continuing the conversation about like what chaos meant felt a little like trying to drag out that conversation



yeet stagg

for now
Where are the pretty colors 🙁
 
My point about that specifically is that I don’t think scum would give up powerful roles over weaker scum roles, just to try and get village cred. Sunny finds it suspicious that I was unwilling to consider that possibility.

Generally I am more inclined to think village when seeing a strong scum role like that discarded but not guaranteed.

With regards to Chaos specifically, he’s in neutral. What concerns me, and why I feel the need to pay extra attention to his interactions (scum lean) is that I’m not used to seeing his level of involvement be this high. Being outside of what I’m used to seeing makes me want to watch more closely. But I certainly don’t want to condemn him for increasing his participation level.
I mean, I’ve gone back and forth about it. Not Chaos specifically, I am getting village vibes from him.
I can get behind this. I feel good about you and Alley at least and I can’t really understand him pushing me and Chaos. Me because I obviously know, but Chaos because it’s the most village I’ve ever felt about Chaos.

Yeet Stagg

Can you tell me when he started concerning you between last night and when you posted your reads list today? I'm just trying to make sense of this inconsistency I'm seeing

Can I get your thoughts on putting Vis in your village pile here?

I liked her contributions yesterday. It felt like she was scum hunting and I was agreeing with her posts. I do think she is floundering a bit today under the pressure. I don't know what to make of the fact that she didn't seem aware Wonder was NK'd. I guess I'm village reading her less than I was this morning, but not scum reading her.
 
Can you tell me when he started concerning you between last night and when you posted your reads list today? I'm just trying to make sense of this inconsistency I'm seeing
The behavior in general of bringing up the option to role reveal the affiliation role picks, seemed pro village at the time. Driving that conversation felt like a villager thing to do.

In retrospect it monopolized a lot of the conversation without a lot of benefits for village, but it does help scum figure out which roles are not in the game and what they don’t need to be concerned about.

This retrospective view gives me pause. Coupled with the increase in activity in a way I’m not used to seeing has me re-evaluating and keeping a closer eye than I felt like I needed to initially.
 
Why did zenge voting with you bother you so much?
The proximity in time bugged me a little because wolf!Zenge has sheeped my votes like that before on people who are misyeeted easily (sunny comes to mind), but what bothered me even more was the fact that he hadn't mentioned Stagg AT ALL prior to putting his vote there. Zenge has 3 posts on Stagg in this entire game, and all of them are from his vote onward. So that, paired with him just following me onto the vote with his justification being that he felt good about me and alley, and didn't like that Stagg was sussing him and chaos, really didn't feel good.

Generally when village!Zenge has a vote, he's had some critical thinking on thread where you can see how he's getting to his conclusions.
 
also im feeling worse about sunny now. someone voted there and sunny didn't react in the way i expect village sunny to, which pings me as trying to get attention away from the vote which is not normally how that goes

This is an interesting point regarding sunny, but she's also posting a lot less than I'm used to seeing, so I'm not sure if that factors into how much she is/isn't reacting to things. I haven't really been able to form a read on her yet this game.
 
The proximity in time bugged me a little because wolf!Zenge has sheeped my votes like that before on people who are misyeeted easily (sunny comes to mind), but what bothered me even more was the fact that he hadn't mentioned Stagg AT ALL prior to putting his vote there. Zenge has 3 posts on Stagg in this entire game, and all of them are from his vote onward. So that, paired with him just following me onto the vote with his justification being that he felt good about me and alley, and didn't like that Stagg was sussing him and chaos, really didn't feel good.

Generally when village!Zenge has a vote, he's had some critical thinking on thread where you can see how he's getting to his conclusions.
Wonder’s role reveal felt plausible and believable. So I left that vote and the clock was rapidly ticking to close. I wanted to vote somewhere that I felt good about and I can certainly understand the Stagg sus. Worst case scenario the thread moving forward wouldn’t be clogged with people so blinded by Staggs sketch, they were unwilling to vote anywhere else until they saw him flip.
 
The proximity in time bugged me a little because wolf!Zenge has sheeped my votes like that before on people who are misyeeted easily (sunny comes to mind), but what bothered me even more was the fact that he hadn't mentioned Stagg AT ALL prior to putting his vote there. Zenge has 3 posts on Stagg in this entire game, and all of them are from his vote onward. So that, paired with him just following me onto the vote with his justification being that he felt good about me and alley, and didn't like that Stagg was sussing him and chaos, really didn't feel good.

Generally when village!Zenge has a vote, he's had some critical thinking on thread where you can see how he's getting to his conclusions.
This is fair (in particular I did not track that he hadn't mentioned stagg prior) but this
Wonder’s role reveal felt plausible and believable. So I left that vote and the clock was rapidly ticking to close. I wanted to vote somewhere that I felt good about and I can certainly understand the Stagg sus. Worst case scenario the thread moving forward wouldn’t be clogged with people so blinded by Staggs sketch, they were unwilling to vote anywhere else until they saw him flip.
is kind of what I had in my head when I was reading back. Voting with your village reads seems reasonable with less than an hour to close and a believable reveal from the person you were previously voting for.
 
This is an interesting point regarding sunny, but she's also posting a lot less than I'm used to seeing, so I'm not sure if that factors into how much she is/isn't reacting to things. I haven't really been able to form a read on her yet this game.
I’m hesitant to read Sunny this way on participation. It’s my understanding she’s currently very busy and that we shouldn’t expect the same level of participation we’re used to.
 
The behavior in general of bringing up the option to role reveal the affiliation role picks, seemed pro village at the time. Driving that conversation felt like a villager thing to do.

In retrospect it monopolized a lot of the conversation without a lot of benefits for village, but it does help scum figure out which roles are not in the game and what they don’t need to be concerned about.

This retrospective view gives me pause. Coupled with the increase in activity in a way I’m not used to seeing has me re-evaluating and keeping a closer eye than I felt like I needed to initially.
I've also had some misgivings about chaos as I'm reading through. I'm getting the impression that it was kind of all he talked about, along with general theory about how this game structure works, and not so much about reads on people until much later. I know he posted a reads list around here somewhere, need to find it again.

And also just came across a post from earlier today...or later yesterday...idk been skipping around a bit. He gave coop some village points for flipping off of wonder? Just felt odd, it was before her reveal, coop was (I thought) obviously only on the vote as a joke to begin with, so it wasn't like she was moving because wonder was in the lead, it was because the joke had played out.

Anyway he's moving up into neutrals for me.
 
This is an interesting point regarding sunny, but she's also posting a lot less than I'm used to seeing, so I'm not sure if that factors into how much she is/isn't reacting to things. I haven't really been able to form a read on her yet this game.
Hmm. Yes busy, and I give her that for the sparcity of her reads, but I don't so much track why that would change how she reacts to being scum read.
 
Hmm. Yes busy, and I give her that for the sparcity of her reads, but I don't so much track why that would change how she reacts to being scum read.

Because if she's busy and not really invested in the game then she might not really care about being voted. I'm not going to speak for sunny though. I think it's probably NAI, I've seen her react strongly to being voted as village & wolf. And I feel like she doesn't react as strongly during WW games as she used to in general.
 
Because if she's busy and not really invested in the game then she might not really care about being voted. I'm not going to speak for sunny though. I think it's probably NAI, I've seen her react strongly to being voted as village & wolf. And I feel like she doesn't react as strongly during WW games as she used to in general.
Hmm. I don't so much mean a sunny blow up, because I agree that's not as much of a thing anymore, but really any type of reaction at all. Who knows. Maybe she really is that disinterested in the game. Doesn't feel right to me though.
 
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