CHOOSE YOUR OWWN II - Game Thread

[WildZoo]

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Vote coops

tense-sounding entrance and editing of fluff, fishing, performance playing up not understanding, and extensive trolling avoiding working with town

I think only two of these are actually valid tbh

 

[WildZoo]

You pick a role for your abilities and another role for your alignment.

I am talking about the role that you pick for your alignment.

Btw , my alignment is Town Vigilante. (saying this coz there are multiple kinds of Vigilantes in the rolelist)

Okay, that makes sense. I’ll take a look at the role list to see if there’s anything it would bad for scum to 100% know is not a role in the game before saying mine

Fair enough , I will believe you , For now.
But discard meta is still a poor understanding of probability.

Unvote Visc , Vote Sunshine.

This confuses me. @Chaostrodon what part of vis's post were you believing her about? I'm not following the progression of voting her for bringing up discard analysis, to her saying she'd reveal her alignment card later, to you changing your vote

 

[Viscernable]

Is this a real reason

It’s parcelled with the entrance posts as why I think she seemed tense at the start of the game

 

[alleycat03]

Her posts mainly include: jumping on Stagg which is the easy thing to do, and random things that look like she's saying something but its not really... like about making AM angry, roles that no one has, fighting with chaos about math, etc.

I honestly just thought cubs was like the old man that couldn't figure out that newfangled thing the kids are doing.

Hmmm, this is interesting to me. I was agreeing with Vis’ posts so far and I definitely did not interpret those things the same way as Sunny. They seemed like genuine scum hunting and analytics to me. I do agree that there has been some fluffiness from her, but nothing she’s done jumps out as scum to me.

Something about the way Dina is interacting with me and the wording of the comments in her reads list is giving me bad feels. I need to go back and read over cray's posts too but I'll get to that later.

yeet dina

The wording in her reads post pinged me too, but honestly I think you’re scummier than Dina at this point.

 

[WildZoo]

The wording in her reads post pinged me too, but honestly I think you’re scummier than Dina at this point.

Why?

 

[WildZoo]

Dammit reading that made me lose my train of thought

 

[WildZoo]

@Chaostrodon which part of cubs' sus of you feels manufactured? Because reading back through I can see why he thought it was weird that in your initial post about your affiliation card you just said "vigilante" instead of "town vigilante". It's not something that pinged me as scummy but I can see it giving him a weird feeling about you.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Coop (2) - Zenge, Vis
dubz (2) - shorty, Dina
Vis (1) - sunshine
Dina (1) - dubz
sunshine (1) - Coop

7/11
yeet close in ~28 hours

 

[supershorty]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Coop (2) - Zenge, Vis
dubz (2) - shorty, Dina
Vis (1) - sunshine
Dina (1) - dubz
sunshine (1) - Coop

7/11
yeet close in ~28 hours

I don’t think Coop is on herself.

 

[WildZoo]

Cray did *just* win as a wolf. I could see her wanting to avoid scum roles, but I do find it a bit odd she discarded vanilla townie. Honestly just makes me assume she probably chose a village PR instead.

Ah I was gonna look through cray's posts to figure out why she may have been a target but tbh it might have just been this

 

[Animal Midwife]

I don’t think Coop is on herself.

What?

 

[supershorty]

Man, AM’s too fast with her edits for me to quote them. Just like she’s too fast at quoting mine when I make grammar issues.

 

[alleycat03]

Why?

The entire conversation about “scum!Dubz wouldn’t do this.”

Specifically the “scum!Dubz would have a reads list” because I literally said that as a wolf several games ago when I was defending my lack of reads. I legit said “I’m village and I don’t have a reads list because I’m struggling to identify the wolves and everyone seems village”
So I immediately become suspicious when somebody says that because it’s exactly what I said when I was wolfing.

 

[supershorty]

What?

AM pls.

You fixed it when I hit quote, but I’m not crazy.

 

[WildZoo]

The entire conversation about “scum!Dubz wouldn’t do this.”

Specifically the “scum!Dubz would have a reads list” because I literally said that as a wolf several games ago when I was defending my lack of reads. I legit said “I’m village and I don’t have a reads list because I’m struggling to identify the wolves and everyone seems village”
So I immediately become suspicious when somebody says that because it’s exactly what I said when I was wolfing.

You are not me

 

[WildZoo]

@alleycat03 If you were given the choice of vanilla townie or town nymphomaniac for affiliation, is there a reason you chose vanilla townie for your affiliation over town nymphomaniac if both options would have given you town affiliation?

Hmm. Rolling this around in my brain right now. Will see if alley responded.

 

[cubsrule4e]

I don’t think Coop is on herself.

Bold strategy, Cotton. Lets see if it pays off!

 

[WildZoo]

Because I am strongly opposed to lover roles, and didn’t want to touch that role with a 10-foot pole. Also, the roles I got for round 3 were my least favorite of my options, so I was trying to get the best combo out of my lackluster options

Oh she answered it in the next post lol
Still rolling it around in my brain.

 

[WildZoo]

Ok I rolled it around some more and decided it didn't matter. Discards once again fail to tell me anything useful 😛

 

[WildZoo]

Why didn’t you ask the mods to explain?

Peeps who have played with Coop before, is this level of theatrics about being bad at the game or not understanding the role selection process NAI for her? It feels like scum trying too hard to me, especially paired with the fishing earlier.

I think the confusion is both legit and NAI

...better a late answer than never, right?

 

[supershorty]

I think the confusion is both legit and NAI

...better a late answer than never, right?

What about the first half of that question?

 

[supershorty]

I miss @vetschoolsletmeinplease.

 

[Coopah]

It’s parcelled with the entrance posts as why I think she seemed tense at the start of the game

...?? Why did you think I was tense? Why would that be indicative of affiliation?

 

[WildZoo]

What about the first half of that question?

I thought that was the whole question? Whether the level of confusion was NAI?

 

[supershorty]

I thought that was the whole question? Whether the level of confusion was NAI?

Why didn’t you ask the mods to explain?

Peeps who have played with Coop before, is this level of theatrics about being bad at the game or not understanding the role selection process NAI for her? It feels like scum trying too hard to me, especially paired with the fishing earlier.

 

[WildZoo]

@supershorty I can't quote posts that are just quotes and it bugs me 😛

I lumped that in with the confusion. Since that's what she was talking about with being bad at things. I didn't see anything else she mentioned being bad at but I am rereading.

 

[WildZoo]

It’s parcelled with the entrance posts as why I think she seemed tense at the start of the game

I wouldn't expect coop to be tense as scum, for the record.

 

[Coopah]

@supershorty I can't quote posts that are just quotes and it bugs me 😛

I lumped that in with the confusion. Since that's what she was talking about with being bad at things. I didn't see anything else she mentioned being bad at but I am rereading.

You try too hard

 

[WildZoo]

You try too hard

Coop pls

 

[WildZoo]

supershorty- Village lean. Her recent posts feel very village. I have a hard time believing she would willingly pick a scum role. She loves vanilla villager so I could see her picking a PR or vanilla townie but I definitely have a hard time imagining that she would pick a scum role (especially since she discarded a village role, so she could have been village affiliation with the discard).

Crayola227- neutral. Liked our earlier discussion and her thread contributions.

vetschoolsletmeinplease- neutral, slight village lean. So far, sounds like her village tone. Haven’t seen a whole lot from her but she is another person who I would be SHOCKED if she willingly chose to be (edit: scum/NOT) village.

Viscernable- neutral. She was very analytical with the discards earlier, and I followed her logic there. Also, when she and chaos kind of got into a disagreement, her tone sounded genuine. I think she’s a very strong wolf and I could see her picking a scum affiliation.

sunshinefl- MIA

WildZoo- neutral. I think she would pick 3P if she had a choice, and she’s so good at wolfing that she’d actually be a great scum choice. Haven’t noticed a lot from her tone wise, but she sounds identical to me when she’s wolfing and when she’s village.

Stagg737- wolf-lean. The whole “I forgot to pick” and not understanding the role selection seemed legit, but I agree with shorty that he had plenty of opportunities to ask for clarification. I fully admit that I suck at reading him, so I’m probably biased because I always think he’s sketchy.

Zenge142- Neutral, slight village lean. He sounds village so far, but his early defense of me from the salt votes felt kind of like pocketing. He’s a terrifying wolf player, but right now I do like his contributions and he seems pro-village.

Dinashadow- Neutral. I need to see more, but I find myself nodding along with her posts and agreeing with her logic. Thought her Cubs vote makes sense.

Coopah- neutral, leaning wolf. Her frustration seems genuine, so maybe she truly didn’t pick her role. As far as I know I’ve never played with her before. She’s on the same level as Stagg right now when it comes to me not fully understanding what/why she was so confused.

WonderingStudent- wolf-lean. I get sketchy vibes from her. At first I appreciated the analysis she gave of the discards, but it seems like she is being purposely confusing and I get why Dubz and shorty have said she’s sus.

Chaostrodon- neutral, village-leaning. If he’s scum, he’s an incredibly bold scum considering he claimed an affiliation role that only 1 person could have. Maybe he’s a wolf/mafia vig or something (and he used the vig for ability and not for affiliation) but that also seems way too bold/risky.

cubsrule4e- neutral. my judgement is semi-clouded right now because of his saltiness directed towards me, but I think he has more of a village tone. He seems more upbeat and playful? Like as opposed to the serious vibes I got from him during Madagascar.

Good reads list here, in that I like the thoughts behind the reads

 

[Chaostrodon]

This confuses me. @Chaostrodon what part of vis's post were you believing her about? I'm not following the progression of voting her for bringing up discard analysis, to her saying she'd reveal her alignment card later, to you changing your vote

The part where she said she would look at the list before alignment revealing

@Chaostrodon which part of cubs' sus of you feels manufactured? Because reading back through I can see why he thought it was weird that in your initial post about your affiliation card you just said "vigilante" instead of "town vigilante". It's not something that pinged me as scummy but I can see it giving him a weird feeling about you.

What?

He said Im sus coz Im controlling the info in the game , being aggressive and telling people what to think.

 

[Coopah]

Everyone: coop seems sus
Me:

 

[Dinashadow]

She saying it’s suspicious of me to ignore the possibility that scum would intentionally discard a powerful role in place of choosing a weaker one, just for the sake of trying to get town cred from it.

I legitimately think it’s an insane strategy, so I’m not bothering to consider that people would do it.

The specific roles in question are Ninja and Strongman. Intentionally giving those up as scum, and choosing weaker roles in the hopes that it might buy you village cred is something I’m not seriously considering that anyone did. The possibility of maybe getting some village cred isn’t worth as much as those roles.

Can you clarify your read on Chaos then because yesterday you were village reading him, today you put him in neutral scum-leaning, but now you're back to saying you don't think scum would give up a strong role like ninja (which chaos did).

Am I missed something?

I'm referring to the post below from yesterday btw

Idk if I agree with this, at least with Chaos and Please.

Strongman and Ninja are very powerful roles for a scum faction to have.

Could they have gotten something even better? Sure it’s possible. It just seems more likely that they’d pick village roles than they got even better scum roles.

Especially when you break down the dual selection consideration.
Assuming they picked scum, then their other two roles would have to include a PR that’s even better for scum than these, and include another scum affiliation for the affiliation choice.

Seems like a lot to bank on when the more likely answer is just that they picked village roles.

 

[WildZoo]

Coops’s entrance felt kind of forced-casual to me, looks like could be trying to cover nerves.

This shade was weird imo





1) The editing and then explanation for the editing also looks like wolfy start-of-game nerves 2) I don’t feel cubs and coop are in the same faction, too much interaction straight out the gate

Like shorty said, the fishing is worrying me

Do not like. Why have you decided who you’re yeeting D2 with so few posts? Yes, I know this is a joke, but it feels like there’s some level of sincerity to it, plus flippancy about deciding who to vote.

This reasoning is just a stretch imo. I know Stagg didn’t understand 100% how roles were chosen, but he did understand that you choose to combine the role from one card with the affiliation from another, so he shouldn’t think this discard is that weird (since there are indeed a lot of ways someone could choose a vanilla town role). Maybe fishing for cray to justify her choice in a way that would hint at role.

How do you feel about Wondering and Coops?

Making note that I really like this post from Vis. In the past she’s been known to make “wall posts” when she’s wolfing to look like she’s wolf hunting, but this analysis seems pretty solid.

So, kinda disagree, mostly because I'm not at all seeing the forced casualness she was talking about with coop or why editing that post would be wolfy nerves and not completely NAI.

Her comment on cubs got an eyebrow raise from me since she herself acknowledged it was a joke, so why is she using it to give him scum points?

The only part that felt ok was the stagg comment and since he flipped condemner, meh.

I'm feeling worse about vis overall as I'm reading.

 

[WildZoo]

The part where she said she would look at the list before alignment revealing

I just don't get how that led to an unvote

What?

He said Im sus coz Im controlling the info in the game , being aggressive and telling people what to think.

Ok I'll get to that then. The part about your reveal was from his earliest posts about you.

 

[WildZoo]

Btw , I think Viscernable is most likely telling the truth about her alignment coz of this line , so thats probably town

This post makes the vote progression more sense @Chaostrodon so disregard my question


Though I don't think it's unreasonable to think scum could make that same post

 

[WildZoo]

Hmm. Something like.

Scummy
Dina
Vis
sunny

Neutraly
cubs
coop

Towny
zenge
chaos
alley
please
shorty


Feels about right for now

 

[WildZoo]

Something about some of Zenge's posts on discard logic have rubbed me wrong. Keeping an eye on him.

Cray sus of zenge means he's probably village

 

[WildZoo]

I'm getting tired so will pick up on rereading the things I skimmed later. Maybe.

 

[supershorty]

It’s a little strange to me, Dubz, that you’re comfortable town reading Zenge this early in the game. You haven’t been in the past, and he’s said some things and reacted in some ways that have really pinged me, so I’m curious what you’ve seen that’s making you willing to go there now.

 

[Viscernable]

Hmm. Rolling this around in my brain right now. Will see if alley responded.

How do you feel about wonder asking it? The question itself I feel is kind of pointless (both choices would give the same result for alley and she has to choose one so I don’t understand nitpicking which one she chose), but I can definitely see its value as a little pressure test. On the other hand, putting someone on the defensive trying to get them to justify their role choices looks like a good fishing technique. So I’m kinda split.

 

[Coopah]

How do you feel about wonder asking it? The question itself I feel is kind of pointless (both choices would give the same result for alley and she has to choose one so I don’t understand nitpicking which one she chose), but I can definitely see its value as a little pressure test. On the other hand, putting someone on the defensive trying to get them to justify their role choices looks like a good fishing technique. So I’m kinda split.

... But wonder is dead?

 

[WildZoo]

How do you feel about wonder asking it? The question itself I feel is kind of pointless (both choices would give the same result for alley and she has to choose one so I don’t understand nitpicking which one she chose), but I can definitely see its value as a little pressure test. On the other hand, putting someone on the defensive trying to get them to justify their role choices looks like a good fishing technique. So I’m kinda split.

Well wonder died and was village so

 

[WildZoo]

... But wonder us dead?

 

[WildZoo]

It’s a little strange to me, Dubz, that you’re comfortable town reading Zenge this early in the game. You haven’t been in the past, and he’s said some things and reacted in some ways that have really pinged me, so I’m curious what you’ve seen that’s making you willing to go there now.

Well I'm currently not splitting hairs too hard (which is probably the wrong approach for a multiball game but I'll refine it later if I'm alive). I haven't come across any pingy posts from him myself, at least not the ones I've been reading closely, and did have a few where I was like "yes, village mindset here." Hence, village pile.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Hmm. Something like.

Scummy
Dina
Vis
sunny

Neutraly
cubs
coop

Towny
zenge
chaos
alley
please
shorty


Feels about right for now

Why is sunny scummy

 

[WildZoo]

Why is sunny scummy

She doesn't feel as engaged with the game as I'm used to, doesn't seem to be reacting to things the normal way. Could just be she's busy but it's my initial reaction.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Everyone: coop seems sus
Me:

Are you the hippo or part of the lion team in this allegory?

 

[Chaostrodon]

Question about edits , can you tell if a post was edited or not

 

[Viscernable]

...?? Why did you think I was tense? Why would that be indicative of affiliation?

Just my feeling on reading them. When I wolf I have much more of a mindset of worrying about crafting what I say, including fluff, and being much more neurotic about editing. In a game where you’re allowed to edit without noting it, I’m much more likely to go “oh no that post isn’t right, must edit right away before it would be noted as edited” as a wolf. And entering a thread as a wolf is straight terrifying imo, I can theoretically grasp the idea of someone not being tense as a wolf but it’s a kind of a foreign concept to me.