CHOOSE YOUR OWWN IV - Game Thread

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potentialsheltervet said:
On the outside looking in :/
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Sad Season 12 GIF by The Simpsons
 
I woke up this morning wondering if I gave kitz too quick of a clear, but after my interactions with her yesterday, I don't have any idea how I'm going to sort her because I've pulled healthy teeth in a cadaver lab with less effort than I felt like I was putting in to get anything out of her yesterday.
 
supershorty said:
I woke up this morning wondering if I gave kitz too quick of a clear, but after my interactions with her yesterday, I don't have any idea how I'm going to sort her because I've pulled healthy teeth in a cadaver lab with less effort than I felt like I was putting in to get anything out of her yesterday.
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I feel like because I included the teeth pulling in this same sentence as "putting in to get anything out of her," it makes it sound like I was trying to pull kitz's teeth :thinking:
 
Anyway, I have higher priorities than sorting that slot today, and I still feel like that derpclear moment felt like lost townie. The responses that she gave me weren't all that different from how she played as town in the last game. Hopefully she answers my question about what she'd lie detect if she could, because I think that would give me the most info about her tbh.
 
I'm working on an ISO right now, but @beans2020, I'd love it if you would pull the comments you feel you made that are unpairing between you and Spurs (assuming there are more than the one you quoted already) and ping me, because spoiler alert: you're who I'm ISOing, and I do not feel that you have unpairing interactions there.

So you saying that you do is interesting to me.
 
beans is one of the players who I feel like I really don't have a read on, and last night, a few of her comments didn't sit right with me, so despite saying that I wasn't going to do any ISOs this game (which I already have gone against by planning to ISO PSV later)... I did one lol.

tl;dr: I don't feel that there are any unpairing interactions here. If anything, I see beans make an offhand comment that Spurs was appealing because she believes he would choose scum, but that's hardly an unpairing interaction in my world, especially when she goes on to village lean him after that. She starts expressing more doubt of him later on, but it's after other people had expressed discomfort there, like me, Dubz, and others. I'm not going to say that can only be paired and sensing a change in the tide, because that would be silly - she is a newer player and it's possible that she started to get swayed by the opinions of others and came around to a more correct vibe on him. However, that's not the vibe that I have in the context of her being quick to reply to fruit and say that there are multiple clearly unpairing interactions. Additionally, I don't feel that her progressions on other players (namely samac and Zenge) are very natural, and I'm not keen on some of the things surrounding her CG vote.

beans2020 said:
I'm not putting in a vote tonight bc I have too much to do BUT I will for sure ASAP tomorrow. I am planning on voting for someone in rae, clem, CG, genny, kitz, Dubz, samac, zenge, Spurs, or fruit for courtesy reasons. We'll see who becomes the most sus.
(TBH, CG or Spurs are appealing to me bc if they had the choice between village or scum I believe they absolutely would have chosen scum...)
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I don't think this post is AI. However, it's important for later, so I pulled it.

beans2020 said:
Some morning thoughts b4 I have to leave for school: I'm taking fruit and Clem off of today's yeet list bc I really don't think either of them is scum currently.
Kitz and rae both have my interest atm - kitz bc of her reaction to shorty's aff exercise (I don't know if that was confusion or slight scum panic). Rae because I'm mildly suspicious of her claim that she used vanillager for aff. This may be a "beans not understanding CYO strategy" thing so if it is feel free to smack me but literally so many people have either discarded vanillager OR claimed to use it as aff - how likely is it that that many players were offered it as a role?
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I know that fruit felt that a series of posts starting with this one was backtracking in a sus way, and I'm not sure that I agree - I think that walking her initial sus of kitz and rae back feels okayish in the context of the rest of the thread.

beans2020 said:
I'm willing to give kitz and rae the benefit of the doubt for now. Other than what I previously mentioned, neither of them have done anything particularly scummy. Spurs feels okay? I think I've shrunk my pool down to the following (mostly because I don't think I can say that any of these people have done something to make me certain they're village):
CG, genny, Dubz, samac, zenge
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I'm not sure that mentioning Spurs here feels organic, but this post mentions almost everyone that she had on her initial "willing to vote within this group" post (excluding fruit), so if I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt, she was working through that. If I'm not giving her the benefit of the doubt, it feels awkward and clunky to throw him in the way she did.

beans2020 said:
I backtracked on kitz and rae because I don't think my reasoning is good enough to yeet them at this point. (Rae especially - my sus mostly came from not realizing that there can in fact be 12 randed vanillagers in this game which other people have since explained to me :laugh:)
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This feels pretty organic to me, I think.

beans2020 said:
My initial list wasn't wolfreads. I was trying to follow the courtesy rules dubz mentioned in the sign up thread - the not yeeting mods/players who were D1 last time/players back from a hiatus thing. So the list I made were players I would be picking between for my yeet that followed the courtesy rules. I mentioned being unsure about kitz and rae, yes, but changed my mind about them after other information was presented.
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I pulled this comment because I wanted to get on a soapbox, but it's not actually relevant to the rest of the ISO lmao
beans2020 said:
I struggle with D1/knowing who to vote for - this was discussed in my last game (halloween) that ultimately ended up in me being misyeeted.
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I'm not going to wolf read this comment necessarily, because it's phrased differently than what I'm about to soapbox about, but since it is a feeling that I hold strongly, I'm just going to put it out there for the record that I always think that dismissing D1 as random/a crapshoot/unlikely to get a wolf is wolfy. D1 has the purest interactions you're going to get, simply due to gamestate, and I think it's one of the most important days to look at retrospectively.

beans2020 said:
I think for now, I want to
yeet CG
@Animal Midwife @kaydubs

I could be convinced to move somewhere else but for right now I feel like she's one of the more sus individuals in my list.
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So ... there is NOTHING in this ISO prior to this post that actually says anything about why beans thought this. Unfortunately, I'd already fallen off being able to keep up with the vote tally in my spreadsheet - what I want to do is look at this and see how many people were already voting CG and if this feels bandwagony. In fact, throughout this entire ISO, other than the first comment about "would choose scum," there's very minimal content on CG to give any insight into the read there - and then she goes on later to say that she feels she's an easy misyeet, but... there's really no analysis at all.

beans2020 said:
Fruit is acting how I would expect village fruit to. As for Clem, I looked at his posts from early this morning with shorty and they feel village. Don't get me wrong, either one may move back onto my sus list in the coming days - I just don't feel comfortable voting for either one today based on what I've seen.
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I don't really like this hedginess and leaving the door open to backtrack these reads later if necessary.

beans2020 said:
Spurs hasn't stood out to me as being overly antsy - granted I was not alive in supernatural with him for very long but what I've seen of him so far today tracks with how village!Spurs acts.
I almost feel like he is less defensive as a wolf.
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beans2020 said:
It was mostly because rae claimed so long after the other vanillager claim when there weren't a lot of other players on thread AND I still hadn't realized there could be up to 12 randed vanillagers in this game. So I was trying to figure out if it was possible that she was lying about it. It just pinged me the wrong way. And yes, you are right shorty that her being on my list was also part of it.
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beans2020 said:
Gah I'm starting to get worried that CG is a misyeet but I don't know who to vote instead. I don't really want to vote for zenge or samac today. hmmmmmm
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Again, there is NOTHING to justify this statement. If this were a normal setup, I would say that this had me worried about TMI - however, that doesn't really apply the same way in this game because the scum also don't know someone is village, they just know someone isn't the same faction. I'm more bothered by the total lack of attention to CG in the rest of her ISO than I am by this comment made in this specific game. I'm particularly bothered by it because she stayed there, leading the wagon (disclaimer: because I don't have my spreadsheet up to date, I am not sure she actually was the one to start the wagon, though I know she wasn't the first person who ever voted CG yesterday because fruit did that before I fell off with tallying).

beans2020 said:
I was really feeling okay about spurs, but I didn't play in Good Place with him so I may not be seeing what everyone else is. I will meditate on this.
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The timing of this is squidgy. I want to say that I can see it being town realizing that they're wrong - however, I don't think that Good Place is a good example because in early game, Spurs was an inclusive 3p, and that's not going to play the same way. Now, that being said, I do recognize that the time Spurs wolfed, beans was also a wolf, and I think it's harder to look back at a game where you were wolfing WITH someone and apply a town perspective of their play to then be able to read and recognize scummy posts of theirs later.

Wow I hate how I phrased that, but I'm going to leave it, because if I'm doing ISOs this game, the people who haven't played with me before get to experience the full level of unhinge that they can be, which includes me writing my thoughts out and then being like wtf does that even say.

Attempted rephrase: because beans was wolfing with Spurs in the noob game, it may be more difficult for her to necessarily see scummy posts from him in this game and directly apply reasoning of "oh this was similar to what he did in the noob game, where he was scum" because she wasn't trying to solve him in the noob game. She knew what he was.

Anyway, that's the more charitable take on this comment, and I typed that all out but don't really believe in it much myself. I don't like how the comment feels.

beans2020 said:
Oh I know - I'm just voting for CG right now and there's still time before EOD for that to take off. Neither zenge or samac are coming across as particularly wolfy to me atm. And like (shorty?) said, zenge in particular is super helpful as village later in the game so I'd rather not misyeet him now.
I have also never played with wolf!samac and have minimally played with wolf!zenge so it is possible that this is entirely within their wolf ranges and I just wouldn't know.
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I don't know why this feels a little off to me, I might be confbiasing myself at this point, but the "there's still time for it to take off" reads with a weird connotation to me.

beans2020 said:
I think I'm going to stay on my CG vote for now. Rae hasn't been here enough for me to have a good read on her. I don't know how I feel about a spurs yeet.
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beans2020 said:
TBH, I don't know. I'm not being townread across the board but those who are townreading me are v convinced I'm village. I'd rather be safe than sorry - if I do get killed and didn't leave anything behind to try and help village I'd be really frustrated with myself.
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I personally hate statements like this because they feel a little "omg look at how towny I am".

beans2020 said:
Current reads & thoughts: This is in no particular order.

Villageleans
Clem - I maintain that he still feels more relaxed and chill like his village self.
genny - she seems to be acting like village!genny, especially considering the vote flip yesterday.
kitz - I do think she is pure nooblet. A tiny part of my brain is afraid she was coached through derp!clearing but that feels unlikely.
samac - her claim about mason as her aff and the ensuing confusion feels natural and towny.
PSV - asking good questions, seems to be actively solving.
alissa - she seems to be asking good questions and solving well. I just don't know her playstyle well. Cautiously townlean.
Zenge - he still feels towny to me but I do think samac was onto something yesterday with her comments about the thunderdoming/votes seeming to shift away from him. Another cautious townlean.

Unsure read
SAR - I've seen her act the way she is now as both village and scum. So uh *shrugs*
apop - IDK. Apop seems okay and like typical village!apop right now. However I don't know what she looks like as scum and that is making me nervous.
shorty - I am townreading her more than Dubz rn. She is solving well. The fear remains of some type of 3p weirdness.
Dubz - feels similar to village!Dubz back in ggoats so so long ago. But I've never seen her as scum. So like true neutral I guess.
Barks - I think I need more time with her before I will have a true read.

Scumleans
fruit? - I don't know what to make of fruit's comments today. He seems oddly defensive and I haven't seen that before. Soft scumlean for now?
rae - She hasn't done anything that makes me go "oh, she's village!" Whoever mentioned that spurs and rae may be different scum factions (dubz?) I think may be on to something.
Spurs - I'm starting to see what other players were mentioning yesterday that made him feel different from village!Spurs. I'm curious about him - maybe some type of 3p scum?

Edited: I forgot SAR!
Edited again: made everything colorless
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Okay, so a couple things here. The samac read doesn't really track with the comments that she was making about how she wasn't sure if samac could be in her wolf range - that whole mason debacle had already happened by the time she was saying stuff like that. Similarly, moving Zenge up to a townlean doesn't fit with what she was saying before about him, for similar reasons. I have no real issues with her neutrals category, other than I think the 3p comment about me specifically was a touch odd because when she was expressing reservations about other vets, it was just about scum, whereas with me, it was ONLY 3p. I don't know how closely she was following the thread, because it did come up that I like being 3p, but it wasn't heavily discussed, and so to me, it feels like that line is planted by someone else telling her that I like 3p. However, since my current inclination is to pair her with Spurs, that doesn't really track because he wouldn't know that either, neither of them have ever played with me, and in fact, much of this roster didn't play my one really notable 3p game (though I was also 3p of a different flavor in 10th Anni, Numbers, and Make Your Own, and 2 of those were by request lol). Also interesting is that fruit has plummeted in her reads when the last thing that she said about him was that he was village, and the justification for dropping him all the way to her POE was that he was defensive (personally, I thought fruit's posts read as frustrated town, especially when there have been multiple games now where he's stated he's trying to change up his play). And finally, the Spurs read just feels like she's going with the wind there. I don't feel there's a natural progression of that read.

beans2020 said:
I don't necessarily think you, fruit, and spurs are all paired or all have to be paired. The possibility exists of different factions in this game - so for example maybe you are scum 3p, spurs is wolf with someone else, and fruit is alien. Could fruit and spurs be paired? Maybe. I don't know that I think either of them are paired with you.

As for zenge - I'm torn on him. It's possible that the people who have been playing with him for longer than me are seeing something scummy from him that I'm not. All I can say is his behavior so far matches what I would expect from village!Zenge. However, I think samac made a really good point about the thunderdoming yesterday. I do think it's suspicious that the votes all shifted around zenge. I don't know that I would choose to yeet zenge right now instead of the other players in my POE but I want to keep an eye on him and see if he does anything that pings me.
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I pulled this because it mentioned Spurs, but I don't really have any commentary to add. I just hate quotes with nothing after them, so here we are.

beans2020 said:
Some defensiveness/tension that I didn't see last time we were village together. Though, to be fair, that could be because you are under a lot of heat right now. I feel like you started out super chill - like overcompensating if that makes sense and are now slightly panicky.
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I don't think Spurs was under "a lot" of heat. I think multiple players had expressed discomfort with him, but that's not the same in my world as people contingency voting, for example. That being said, I did notice something Spurs was doing in this game that was also a way that I used to get to a scum read on Truenamer (who I have a godread on), and it WAS related to this. So I'm not saying it's a bad observation - I just don't know that I believe it's coming from a towny mindset.

beans2020 said:
I KNEW THAT SPURS WOULD CHOOSE SCUM IF HE GOT THE OPTION!!
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I'm probably reading into this too much, because my instinct is to say that this is a little over the top, but that's me being uncharitable and I used to confbias myself by not being cognizant of things like that. So while I don't like it, I'm not going to factor it into my read ... much.

beans2020 said:
He's not. Why would I have come out of the gates saying spurs was likely to pick scum if given the choice if we were paired? I can elaborate more on this in the morning with the pairs analysis but there's a few unpairing interactions between us. This quote was 10 minutes after the game started.
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Yeah, I don't think that interaction is at all unpairing. I don't think anything in this ISO was unpairing. I actually think the opposite.
 
I think for now, I'm going to

Unyeet Barky, yeet beans

Barky is still in my POE because I feel that she misrepresented fruit's focus - however, when she pulled the quotes, there were quite a few more over a longer period of time than I remembered, and if she truly was getting caught up by vanity searching, I can see how she might think fruit was heavily focused on her, even though I don't think he was relative to other people.
 
supershorty said:
I think for now, I'm going to

Unyeet Barky, yeet beans

Barky is still in my POE because I feel that she misrepresented fruit's focus - however, when she pulled the quotes, there were quite a few more over a longer period of time than I remembered, and if she truly was getting caught up by vanity searching, I can see how she might think fruit was heavily focused on her, even though I don't think he was relative to other people.
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Are you spiritually still voting PSV though?
 
potentialsheltervet said:
Studying is overrated. Werewolfing is forever.
How are you reading me? What way does Zenge's spiel make the wind blow?
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Honestly I'm struggling. I feel like you're village but I typically have a hard time; the last time I thought you were scum you were village and the last time I thought you were 100% village you were an evil 3p 😅

But I definitely don't like how this feels like a flash railroad out of the blue, right after another commonly low fruit misyeet. Maybe zenge really popped out of bed with a godread on you but considering he was almost whacked yesterday I'm not so sure. You feel like a player anyone could make a scum case for if they felt like it
 
apoptosis09 said:
But I definitely don't like how this feels like a flash railroad out of the blue, right after another commonly low fruit misyeet. Maybe zenge really popped out of bed with a godread on you but considering he was almost whacked yesterday I'm not so sure. You feel like a player anyone could make a scum case for if they felt like it
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oh yeah re: this
Zenge is a player known for cooking quietly and then bursting out with a fresh read, so I'm not too surprised by that. Especially since he historically likes to decide to vote for me tbh
I'm a little bummed other people were village reading me and then decided "sure, okay" and flipped immediately. have you no backbone?
at least shorty's planning to ISO me, and samac I... kind of expect to follow Zenge on votes, but Dubz surprises me.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Final Day 1 Yeet Tally
beans (1) - SAR
Zenge (4) - Spurs, apop, alissa, PSV
apop () -
shorty () -
Barks () -
samac (1) - kitz
CG (6) - beans, samac, Clem, Dubz, Zenge, fruit
SAR () -
fruit () -
Spurs (2) - Barks, rae
Dubz (1) - CG
rae () -

15/17
Missing: genny, shorty
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Do you think Barks/rae could be a Spurs partner? @apoptosis09 since they ended on Spurs? Or do you think it more likely the scum partner(s) was elsewhere?
I guess we technically don't know if Spurs had any partners, though.
 
potentialsheltervet said:
I think he wound up having pretty few votes ultimately? The majority of the players were on CG/Zenge, no?
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I mean the end of the last night cycle he was pretty clearly going down the next day. I don’t know how spurs feels about being bussed (have we seen that before? Idk) but it would've been prime for it to look like an early push before he actually started getting a wagon
 
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