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[Crayola227]

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Ah but my paranoia says what if it's been staged

This isn't the first post that concerned me about Dubz. When she wolfs she's beautifully subtle in how she shades others.

 

[Crayola227]

I think I am less paranoid about wolf theater now lol

I didn't find the post by Shorty amazingly convincing, so I'm finding it hard to believe it swayed you so much here.

 

[WildZoo]

This isn't the first post that concerned me about Dubz. When she wolfs she's beautifully subtle in how she shades others.

Then why is it the first one you've quoted? I feel neglected

 

[Crayola227]

Why would a villager who hasn't seen that type of role before think in that direction?

This bugged me. If VMH is right it's a wolf fishing thing TME is doing, she would know from mod communication in pack chat. I don't think VMH was trying to say TME would think of it as a villager. So this reads to me that you're trying to shade VMH as someone trying to shade a villager, and since her point makes sense, I don't see the dissense you're seeing, so it feels like manufacturing shade.

 

[WildZoo]

I didn't find the post by Shorty amazingly convincing, so I'm finding it hard to believe it swayed you so much here.

Notice that post was talking specifically about my paranoia regarding wolf theater. I don't read that post and see it coming from someone who is faking an interaction with a packmate.

I am reading shorty village now, but that post was simply a move away from being concerned about them being w/w.

 

[Crayola227]

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Also, and we need to be really clear here, me saying a post is wolfy is not even me wolf reading someone. It can lead to that, but not always. When I wolfread someone, you'll know. I'll say they're in my POE or a wolf lean or a top wolf suspect. Untill my PbPa is done and I say this, don't assume anything.

 

[WildZoo]

This bugged me. If VMH is right it's a wolf fishing thing TME is doing, she would know from mod communication in pack chat. I don't think VMH was trying to say TME would think of it as a villager. So this reads to me that you're trying to shade VMH as someone trying to shade a villager, and since her point makes sense, I don't see the dissense you're seeing, so it feels like manufacturing shade.

That's assuming TME is a wolf before even having a reason to though.

My point was, if TME *not* mentioning it would mean she's wolfy, then the opposite should be true - that a village TME would have thought of that possibility. And I don't understand why that would be the expectation. That is in fact how meats phrased it - her concern was that TME didn't bring it up (later disproven anyway). I disagree that it's inherently wolfy in a player who hasn't seen that mechanic.

 

[Crayola227]

does this have anything to do with your post restriction?

Me voting shorty had nothing to do with my post restriction. Me saying "eliminate" did to keep with DW.

 

[Crayola227]

That's assuming TME is a wolf before even having a reason to though.

My point was, if TME *not* mentioning it would mean she's wolfy, then the opposite should be true - that a village TME would have thought of that possibility. And I don't understand why that would be the expectation. That is in fact how meats phrased it - her concern was that TME didn't bring it up (later disproven anyway). I disagree that it's inherently wolfy in a player who hasn't seen that mechanic.

I just can't follow. So the only logical explanation for a played who hasn't seen the mechanic getting at that point is they're wolf fishing.

 

[Crayola227]

I saw you posted a few other things during the day, but it still gave me some weird feels that I wanted to point out

Dina hasn't said much, and popping on mostly to shade Alley gave me feels.

 

[Crayola227]

****s going down and I’m just over here wondering what the importance is of a teapot.

Samac being hung up on items is not giving me good feels.

As a wolf I openly 3P hunted fairly hard. Not as hard as if I were village, but meta yo.

I could see samac making a wifom calculation to wolfily hunt for items/PRs and say it's tinfoil ing for fun.

 

[Crayola227]

Unyeet cray
Yeet zenge
Cause his last comment was around 2 but he was reacting to things after that and it’s not like him to be quiet

I agree with this, though.

Been meaning to say for a while boys and girls, agreeing with someone DOES NOT mean they're not a wolf. It just means their logic to a point is sound. That's the first of many tests and things to clear the bar to be village read. I am acknowledging this because it's important (the logic being a good sign, but not that telling).

 

[Crayola227]

I don’t agree that your comments are “useless” and honestly think that comment’s unnecessarily rude, but this defense misrepresents things imo. I don’t think DocE was talking about the election when talking about “goading people into voting where you haven’t yet put your vote yourself” (paraphrased), that sounds like specifically talking about not voting for who you’re suspicious of. Your vote for Stagg was explicitly a pressure vote, so it doesn’t count for putting your vote where your mouth is imo.

More good points.

 

[Crayola227]

I never said you were the one making the tie. Jesus christ you're stuck in this tunnel something fierce. I maintain that samac being more willing to lose than be stuck in a tie is not the same as "electing the unwilling."

I have only played in one other game with elections. I have, however, played in other games where ties occurred, with varying results from no one dying to both members in the tie dying. Yes, that was only of yeet votes, but I have no reason to trust ties and can understand samac's desire to avoid one.

Her point here is sound

 

[WildZoo]

I just can't follow. So the only logical explanation for a played who hasn't seen the mechanic getting at that point is they're wolf fishing.

I'm not sure what you're saying here so I'll rephrase.

Meats pointed out TME didn't bring up the possibility of wolves getting extra kills from role flavor knowledge. She said this was wolfy.

I do understand how leaving that out could be wolfy. However, since TME has not seen that mechanic before (jury's out on whether it's been brought up in a game she's played) I disagree that her not mentioning it specifically is inherently wolfy. I think it's a stretch to use that for a read on someone who is only in their 4th game.

TME did in fact bring up that this kind of mechanical information could be dangerous, despite not mentioning the specific mechanic meats was talking about. That's really all I would have expected. I would not have expected village TME to come up with a very specific mechanic that she hasn't seen. And I'm sure in either case if she had brought it up, people would have been all up in arms wondering who told her about it lol

 

[WildZoo]

Sorry to be interrupting your PbPa but I apparently have a touch of insomnia tonight so here we are

 

[Crayola227]

Why is it so detrimental to village to push someone to post reads so that wolves can’t hide behind wishy-washy “oooohhh i dunno” to avoid having to fake reads (especially reads of fellow wolves which can be very telling)?

Ugh the whole thing about posting reads is complex.

Suffice it to say, you are correct, but so is DocE that sometimes wolves want to get reads from people so they know which way the wind is blowing. Both points are true.

 

[Crayola227]

Sorry to be interrupting your PbPa but I apparently have a touch of insomnia tonight so here we are

It's fine you seem understanding of the jumping around and incomplete reads and tons of sus

 

[Crayola227]

I'm not sure what you're saying here so I'll rephrase.

Meats pointed out TME didn't bring up the possibility of wolves getting extra kills from role flavor knowledge. She said this was wolfy.

I do understand how leaving that out could be wolfy. However, since TME has not seen that mechanic before (jury's out on whether it's been brought up in a game she's played) I disagree that her not mentioning it specifically is inherently wolfy. I think it's a stretch to use that for a read on someone who is only in their 4th game.

TME did in fact bring up that this kind of mechanical information could be dangerous, despite not mentioning the specific mechanic meats was talking about. That's really all I would have expected. I would not have expected village TME to come up with a very specific mechanic that she hasn't seen. And I'm sure in either case if she had brought it up, people would have been all up in arms wondering who told her about it lol

Oh, this makes sense.

I still just assume either it means she knows cuz she wolf, or she don't cuz she villager. Yep, real AI.

 

[WildZoo]

Oh, this makes sense.

I still just assume either it means she knows cuz she wolf, or she don't cuz she villager. Yep, real AI.

Yeah that's where I landed on it. I don't have a solid read on TME yet. It was more about meats than about her.

 

[WildZoo]

It's fine you seem understanding of the jumping around and incomplete reads and tons of sus

Your list actually reminded me that I feel like LIS has been a bit less invested than he seemed during Bioshock. Not just an absence thing but his involvement/engagement when he's here. And I know he was 3p that game but he was playing for village (as they all were lol) so that bugs me a little.

 

[Crayola227]

Yeah that's where I landed on it. I don't have a solid read on TME yet. It was more about meats than about her.

Yeah and now it makes more sense. Still got my eye on you!

No final read yet tho lol

 

[WildZoo]

Still got my eye on you!

I'd be suspicious if you didn't

 

[Crayola227]

Also my point about logic is a good sign but someone could still be wolf, is why the whiplash where I like posts but then wolf read that person. Logic I like only gets you so far.

Visc, this is why even though I thought your one post was wolfy, I still agreed with what you said about my wolf meta

 

[Crayola227]

@The_Breadmann you lurkin?

When you did this, it seemed to me they might be catching up. I wondered about the shade.

 

[Crayola227]

I don't care which way you read her, I just want to know why you're reading her one way or the other. Right now I'm taking note of your extra caution not really lining up with your past reading experiences because it's giving me some bad tingles on you. Like you know she's village but you don't want to admit it in case you get the opportunity to jump on her yeet.

In hindsight see that TME was shading April and AM.

 

[Crayola227]

Wolves can mess up in ways other than just posting reads. I'm not opposed to asking people reads, but pushing them when they don't have them or jumping on them because they don't produce one is what I don't like.

I'm also not into reads "lists" because those traditionally include village reads and I think village reads are better kept quiet unless those people are in danger of being ousted. Broadcasting to the wolves who we all think is clear just hands them a list of who best to target at night. So even if/when I have a village pile... I won't be sharing it.

Seriously, though the experience I had in what I think was the immunology game deserves the forever salt. Voting someone out solely because they won't provide a list of reads is some garbage play and that's ultimately what happened to me in that game.

Hahahaja! Proof I'm not the only one who thinks it's better to just work with your village reads rather than drawing up a great village bloc NK list for wolves.

Seriously, yall were super helpful this way in Bioshock. AM is right, if the bloc is big enough you can't kill them all fast enough. But that was the only issue. Still saved us time in pack chat.

 

[Crayola227]

I am very pro-mechanics. I was saying in the bioshock dead chat that analyzing the write ups is important, because the mods leave clues for us in them. We might be totally off base with speculating, but it’s better to catch a clue (like what shorty did with the cigs last game) than to completely ignore write ups and night actions and not talk about them on thread. Heck, it was mechanics talk last game that got me outed as a wolf and yeeted. I think mechanics talk is pro-village, especially since it clearly helps us catch wolves. We just need to avoid going into Lawpy tinfoil territory and forgetting that VCA and interactions are important too

Yeah but the write up was a case of right wolf wrong reason.

You guys haven't been burned enough by mechanics.

And always remember we gave village the one wolf (you) to try to clear Cyndia. Only the ones who questioned the double kill the night I smoked had right wolf right reason and deserve credit real credit for finding me out.

 

[Crayola227]

This feels unnecessarily abrasive. Also HEDGEtastic AF. You'd need to hire a whole team of gardeners to manage these hedges. "I could be wrong but I might not be. But also even if I'm wrong I'm still right!" That's what he's saying here. That's literally the argument being made.

Tries to justify it here:

Which is pretty hypocritical coming from someone who up to that point in the thread hasn't provided any takes at all. No wolf hunting. No reads.


There's that hedging again. Seriously get a gardener.

Charming.


I want to highlight this, because what's really interesting about it is that I was talking about Cray's strange, overly supportive actions towards DocE, and push to get him elected. But of course it's not Cray who's answering this, it's DocE himself, putting words in her mouth. He might be right, but regardless, it seems really off that they're so deep in lock step, and he's literally explaining her behavior here to everyone else. Also keep in mind that up to this point, Cray hadn't posted at all on the thread yet, so no one but Cray would have know she was post restricted. Unless that was shared in a group PM, like wolf chat. So it's especially interesting that he's going out of his way to answer for Cray and speak for Cray when no one else knew she'd been post restricted yet.


I mean, you're saying that she's playing "the worst" doesn't make it so. And there you go hedging again. Try committing for a change. Also, I haven't seen spectacular play from anyone, who's posted yourself included. I haven't seen some people's play at all, and some very little.

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I'm putting this here for later, and want to make sure it is documented in case it gets edited after the fact.

Noting that Cray here is attacking shorty for trying to get more participation out of players.


Simultaneously at this point, DocE is still voting for shorty because she's been pressuring people to post. These two really are in lockstep in an unnerving way.


Instead of doing wolf hunting and looking for other leads, he's just arguing here in what feels like a very unproductive way. Especially off to not continue to be wolf hunting when just below he posts this:

So once again an unhealthy amount of hedging and once again the argument being made here is "I could be wrong but I might not be. But also even if I'm wrong I'm still right!"


Okay, but you didn't. I've just gone through your posts up to this point and other than bickering with shorty, where's the wolf hunting?



Okay, again, you say this and you're still here bickering instead of looking of other wolves and other options.

I have a feeling this tunnel is wofly. I was sketched out yesterday by the hinkey campaign to get more power. This arguing on the thread feels like a way to look active without actually doing anything that resembles real wolf hunting. So for now

Yeet DocE

If I call this hot trash, will it get an inappropriate and reported to a mod and destroy all of WW??

First of all, it isn't hedgy at all the case DocE made on her and the vote he put down.

You did this to me earlier, finding "inconsistencies" that aren't that at all.

DocE knows what the defense for awful play from a wolf is, and that it's awful play from a villager. He is undermining the impact of that defense to get a wolf read yeeted, and explaining why taking the chance (every yeet ks taking a chance) is worth doing EITHER WAY.

Frankly it would be more problematic if he wasn't accounting for this. THAT would be a rookie wolf move he wouldn't do.

As far as putting words in my mouth, I guess that's how confident DocE felt about how I feel about him. Putting words in another player's mouth is incredibly risky for a lot of reasons, but in this case it doesn't make me lean any way on him because it was true. Why should a wolf or a villager fear saying the truth? So your logic there is off.

As far as him speaking for me because of your theory we were in pack chat, that's laughable. He and I both are loads better than that, and after watching me wolf you should know that about me at least.

This is what it appears to be, one of my favorite people on all of SDN and in WW came out of retirement of years in duration not long after I did as well, and LIS is here and it's the old days where there's a chance they make me cry.

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There's more to reply to your post but I need to review what you quoted again.

 

[Crayola227]

This feels unnecessarily abrasive. Also HEDGEtastic AF. You'd need to hire a whole team of gardeners to manage these hedges. "I could be wrong but I might not be. But also even if I'm wrong I'm still right!" That's what he's saying here. That's literally the argument being made.

Tries to justify it here:

Which is pretty hypocritical coming from someone who up to that point in the thread hasn't provided any takes at all. No wolf hunting. No reads.


There's that hedging again. Seriously get a gardener.

Charming.


I want to highlight this, because what's really interesting about it is that I was talking about Cray's strange, overly supportive actions towards DocE, and push to get him elected. But of course it's not Cray who's answering this, it's DocE himself, putting words in her mouth. He might be right, but regardless, it seems really off that they're so deep in lock step, and he's literally explaining her behavior here to everyone else. Also keep in mind that up to this point, Cray hadn't posted at all on the thread yet, so no one but Cray would have know she was post restricted. Unless that was shared in a group PM, like wolf chat. So it's especially interesting that he's going out of his way to answer for Cray and speak for Cray when no one else knew she'd been post restricted yet.


I mean, you're saying that she's playing "the worst" doesn't make it so. And there you go hedging again. Try committing for a change. Also, I haven't seen spectacular play from anyone, who's posted yourself included. I haven't seen some people's play at all, and some very little.

Spoiler

I'm putting this here for later, and want to make sure it is documented in case it gets edited after the fact.

Noting that Cray here is attacking shorty for trying to get more participation out of players.


Simultaneously at this point, DocE is still voting for shorty because she's been pressuring people to post. These two really are in lockstep in an unnerving way.


Instead of doing wolf hunting and looking for other leads, he's just arguing here in what feels like a very unproductive way. Especially off to not continue to be wolf hunting when just below he posts this:

So once again an unhealthy amount of hedging and once again the argument being made here is "I could be wrong but I might not be. But also even if I'm wrong I'm still right!"


Okay, but you didn't. I've just gone through your posts up to this point and other than bickering with shorty, where's the wolf hunting?



Okay, again, you say this and you're still here bickering instead of looking of other wolves and other options.

I have a feeling this tunnel is wofly. I was sketched out yesterday by the hinkey campaign to get more power. This arguing on the thread feels like a way to look active without actually doing anything that resembles real wolf hunting. So for now

Yeet DocE

Oh yeah, and quoting where I where post restricted to say I was trying to discourage Shorty pressuring players for participation? That was a real stretch of logic. You do that stretchy thing when you wolf.

That vote had all the makings of a throwaway vote, that was the problem.

This makes me want to yeet you all over again.

 

[Crayola227]

The points Zenge made in that post are awful, they're like Bioshock points and not like when you've villaged.

 

[Crayola227]

As much as I love the thematic styling, the vote itself is scaring me. Feels retaliatory while trying not to look retailiatory (vote shorty who pushed against sunny’s defense of cray, instead of voting samac who forst voted cray).

..........

Confused by this post when you’ve been quoting my other posts to agree with them. If you think I’m wolfing why are you agreeing with me and not voting me?

I agree with wolves all the time when their logic is sound. Good wolves are some of the easiest players to agree with, in fact. Why would you not be able to make a good point about a past game if you were a wolf this one, especially when you would then know I'm not a wolf now?

Now here you are showing a lack of logic, in what appears to be a way to shade me, that makes me wonder.

Also your theory about retaliation is convoluted and makes no sense. I'm careful about that when I wolf, not so much as villager. There's plenty of people on the roster, I could be doing any number of things right now to look "cleaner" than I am now - avoiding DocE, avoiding looking like retaliation (which is a stretch as you describe it).

The main thing I did in Bioshock that was sketch and could bring attention to myself (3P hunting) is a huge part of my meta and NAI.

The thing on DocE could be WIFOM I guess. But the supposed retaliation is easy for me to avoid deploying at this point if I were wolf, and it doesn't fit my meta anyway.

 

[Crayola227]

Even when hampered by a restriction I'd expect better from you than just sheeping DocE

This hurt me. I had issues with Shorty's play before DocE spoke up and I supported that with a quote.

Also I can't make gifs work on mobile. Samsung internet browser and Firefox both failed me. Also apparently only Google only desktop knows who I really am and when I do a search for Doctor Who meme reads my mind and finds me what I want.

I also was doing some construction work on Sunday, so I couldn't dedicate myself to the restriction like I would want.

 

[Crayola227]

Even when hampered by a restriction I'd expect better from you than just sheeping DocE

This also made me wonder if you were trying to shade me, because you should know me better than to think I would just sheep anyone but AM maybe. Def not DocE. Def not if I'm a wolf trying to lay low. That's WIFOM but consider how distant I was from my packmates last game, and consider if wolf me would touch the hot mess DocE is no matter what Af he is. There's some WIFOM there but still, no matter what you believe what I would do, sheeping has never been my style.

 

[Crayola227]

Unyeet Zenge

that felt village. Keeping my eye on you though

This read to me as extremely insincere, and not just because of the 3XXX stretch in Zenge's post. Even the wording here is groce.

 

[Crayola227]

The goal is to have more village reads than they can realistically kill off before the game ends. Creating a village bloc and all that.

Villagers can village read each other and work together without ever stating they think someone is village. The villagers in Bioshock that didn't list their village reads, just their wolf ones, would still talk and wolf hunt, but it made it much harder for me to try to plan misyeets, NK sus set ups, who would vote where, and who to kill. And it also created more work for me.

 

[Crayola227]

Could be fishing. I also love trying to solve mechanics, but I wasn’t even thinking about them recently since there’s so many interactions and stuff going on roght now to read. Interactions and posts that are boring for wolves to analyze since they already (mostly) know affiliations, while mechanics-solving is always interesting to wolves.

(Not coming for your head, samac, just noting a slight wolf point)

This was a great point, but pulling the punch here lessens its feel as a village post, makes it wolfier.

That's the thing about being mean vs nice, too. Jerks make enemies and get yeeted, so how willing you are to make enemies can be an important wolf tell. It's one of mine and others' too. Wolves will try to keep to meta of course, but it's harder to stick your neck out fo sho.

 

[Crayola227]

Not a realistic goal. Unless everyone has a ton of village reads and they're all exactly the same, this isn't happening.

What happens is there ends up being like 2 or 3 that are most mentioned as village reads by most people, and they get offed.

 

[Crayola227]

But people who are playing strongly pro-village (last game it was like Dina, Shorty, Lawpy, etc), are going to be night targets no matter what. The wolves are going to target the people who are doing significant wolf-hunting and contributing to game-solving, even if they aren’t spelled out on a nice “village” list by everyone playing.

FTFY. The list does make it easier though lol

 

[Crayola227]

I feel like it's not only a realistic goal, it's how village wins most games? No?

This also reads in Zenge's wolf tone

 

[Crayola227]

Okay, back to this

This feels like a lot of stretchy words to talk about only a couple people. Sounds like he wants to make up for not being super present on the thread up until now. "Hey look, I'm being busy doing villagey things!" It reads very similarly to the very pingy post in the bioshock game that helped me wolf read him D1. I haven't read his most recent wall post yet so I can't say if that gives off the same vibes.

Thinking of pack mates D1, although not inherently bad, is just giving me bad feels when we haven't had a single death yet.

I don't think Cray and DocE are wolfing together. Their interactions read more like old friends than it does wolfy. I don't think two wolves would be this openly buddy-buddy on the thread. Seems too dangerous.

This post by April now confirmed villager, is great. It also reminds me I wanted to address the awful post by Zenge before that.

Also, I'm not sure I can PbPa the whole thing. May have to give up and start with my current hot takes on people.

 

[Crayola227]

Leans? Sure. People like Doc E give me the heebie jeebies with his play yesterday. His whole pitch to be PM gave me the willies. Cray's interactions with him also felt super weird. This post in particular pinged me. Like "Oh isn't it so funny how untrustworthy you are?! lol"


Possible pack mates? She was supposedly distrusting of him and then voted to give him extra powers. She "explained" why she voted for him but it wasn't an explanation I found compelling. She later questioned me for wanting my vote to be relevant rather than me throwing it away. And then when I answered her question she completely blew me off and refused to answer my question back at her.

So overall, not feeling super great about that. And I don't think she would have pushed me about my voting if I had just "fallen in line" and voted for DocE. In fact, I don't think she pushed anyone who voted DocE or questioned them. On the one hand she could argue "why would I question people on a vote that I agree with". Which is true, but on the other hand, it really does emphasize how much she wanted to get her candidate elected. It actually puts a much greater emphases on her push to get DocE elected, than her shaky explanation for voting for him supports. Not feeling good about that at all.

She also attacked MsP here for self voting and then not only didn't go after DocE for it, she voted for him and pushed people who weren't voting for him. It's a sketchy dynamic.

Overall, we still have 32 hours left in the cycle. A lot of player's barely posted yesterday and some didn't post at all. Most of the roster hasn't posted at all yet today. So there's still a lot left to be seen.

I just don't even know where to start with this. Gotta go to bed.

##### contingency yeet zenge ####

 

[samac]

You said this before too. And you won. So really, who should be salty to who? Do you think that game would have been more fun for all if I just gave up? So ffs give the salt a rest and stop trying to kill me. It was one thing that game when I was a wolf. Trying to do it not one but two games in a row isn't that cute.

A real joke salt vote? While technically it's D1, enough has happened for real votes, not a SECOND salty joke vote.

Sure I won, doesn’t mean I wasn’t annoyed with you going down swinging at me. My first vote was you. It was gonna be you. I also changed my vote to Zenge that day as a real vote.

Like if I was ever to get vigged off of something like this, I will add samac to the permanent "do not PM under any circumstances list" because it's clearly unsafe for me to do so.

Lol. How is is unsafe for you to PM if you get vigged off? Your Pm with me had nothing to do with this. My Pm to you had actually moved you more village than me. I think I told you April’s concerned me because she was immediately trusting me and I didn’t feel like I had done anything to earn that trust yet.

I’m actually PMing our dear prime minister atm so butt out

The interesting thing about this is I was asleep, but I can confirm she left a barrage of messages for me when I woke up.

Villagers are wrong all the time, too.

So?

Wrong isn't inherently AI, yet in this case you seem to be suggesting it is.

State it 100% clearly: Do you feel that the people pushing the 'North' theory are wolves, or just villagers being wrong?

I mean if I’m wrong I’m wrong, but I have much more confidence in this than the one per group theory I had last game.

When it's a theory that involves yeeting at least three people randomly (maybe four), I fail see how there's no wolf motivation. samac was super invested in the idea that there was one wolf in every group last game, and two games prior to that was super invested in the idea that a group of three contained a wolf. So believing this is par for her that I can pass that off as noobiness for expecting everything will be in a neat bucket despite being proven otherwise. alissa, on the other hand, knows better. Maybe there is a North wolf, but I think blindly yeeting until the entire group is dead is the wolfiest way to go about exploring it. They'd be discovered just the same by just voting the wolfiest people and the number will dwindle and out them naturally instead of buying free misyeeting during the hardest part of the game for wolves to control.

You really think if I was wolf I’d be pushing a crazy tinfoil that draws a lot of attention to myself? you’ve wolved with me.

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My profile pic was the Doctor before the restriction fwiw

Yes I know. At that point I wasn’t sure it was going to be doctor who only and thought you might be using it to symbolize you.

Idk maybe some stuff will happen overnight. Even if one of the two is a wolf, there are still others out there and I don’t think all the attention needs to be focused on either/or with AM and Finn.

I agree. All the attention does not need to be on them, but I’m pretty sure there’s a wolf between them.

Samac being hung up on items is not giving me good feels.

As a wolf I openly 3P hunted fairly hard. Not as hard as if I were village, but meta yo.

I could see samac making a wifom calculation to wolfily hunt for items/PRs and say it's tinfoil ing for fun.

Really? As a wolf you did openly 3P hunt hard. I don’t know why you’re making that connection to me because I definitely didn’t last time I wolfed and if I was a wolf I wouldn’t give much of a **** unless I think I think it’s directly against my wincon.
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This post by April now confirmed villager, is great. It also reminds me I wanted to address the awful post by Zenge before that.

Also, I'm not sure I can PbPa the whole thing. May have to give up and start with my current hot takes on people.

Interesting that you chose Zenge when she went down saying don’t trust my earlier read on Zenge.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

@Animal Midwife

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Never has a beer tasted so much like chocolate milk. Truly delicious.

Must‘ve be a long call night

 

[Animal Midwife]

Villagers can village read each other and work together without ever stating they think someone is village. The villagers in Bioshock that didn't list their village reads, just their wolf ones, would still talk and wolf hunt, but it made it much harder for me to try to plan misyeets, NK sus set ups, who would vote where, and who to kill. And it also created more work for me.

Not true at all in practice (and especially not last game). I've never once seen village win a game where people intentionally hide their village reads unless it was a broken setup that requires zero thinking like follow the cop.

I can't think of one player in that didn't share village reads in Bioshock. You even got yeeted that last day because your own POE was so unaligned with everyone else's.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Lol. How is is unsafe for you to PM if you get vigged off? Your Pm with me had nothing to do with this. My Pm to you had actually moved you more village than me. I think I told you April’s concerned me because she was immediately trusting me and I didn’t feel like I had done anything to earn that trust yet.

And look where April is now. It's the fact that you'd carelessly toss me aside to chase a mechanic that isn't even confirmed to exist when you're otherwise village reading me. I hate PMing at baseline except in very specific situations. So if I get misyeeted or misshot to the very person that took me out of my comfort zone, that tells me it was mistake to put my own enjoyment on the backburner and I shouldn't allow any more biting the hand that feeds you.

You really think if I was wolf I’d be pushing a crazy tinfoil that draws a lot of attention to myself? you’ve wolved with me.

Not at the moment because, like I already said you believe theories like these literally all the time. The only game you didn't state an unconfirmable (and ultimately wrong) theory was when you were a wolf.

Regardless, I don't want to hear anymore about what I should know about your wolf range because you clearly still don't know any about mine.

 

[DocEspana]

That's what I thought. Didn't want to put it on thread in case you guys were targeted

Yeah. I was trying to think if there was a way to still play it off but given just how many votes me and the other person had above third place it is sort of the most likely explanation

 

[samac]

So I’ll be rounding when it comes down to night close so I’m going to leave this here. SAR all but confirmed my theory by sharing info she got that it was the sherrif of Nottingham who took her teapot. That’s a wolf. A literal wolf if the cartoon.

The only thing that’s left that’s any kind of tinfoil is that that person is in the north. Where Robinhood was. Nottingham is 20 miles south of the Sherwood Forest.
if someone else has an idea of why the sherrif and Robinhood would be split into different groups when they’re 20 miles apart and that the sherrif fits better elsewhere I’ll listen.

So this “tinfoil” is that our locations matters to our character. Without revealing who they are those in London have confirmed this for me. My character started in the north, which is where the character is from. April is from the Sherwood Forest. It’s 15 miles from where I started.
if you all think I’m a dumb noob that’s fine, but at least google your character if you don’t know them and see where your character fits


And something I was thinking about on the drive to work is that Dina asked why I was so sure the sherrif of Nottingham was a wolf. Past he’s the main antagonist, he’s literally a wolf in the cartoon.

Because he's a wolf in the disney adaptation?

That response pinged me, because the obvious reason is he is an antagonist and that’s readily available knowledge so asking about why he would be a wolf would be weird. Just keep an eye out.

 

[Viscernable]

That response pinged me, because the obvious reason is he is an antagonist and that’s readily available knowledge so asking about why he would be a wolf would be weird. Just keep an eye out.

Eh. That was in response to you showing an image of him as a wolf in the Disney adaptation, in response to Dina asking directly why the Sheriff would automatically be wolfy.

 

[samac]

Eh. That was in response to you showing an image of him as a wolf in the Disney adaptation, in response to Dina asking directly why the Sheriff would automatically be wolfy.

I mean it just felt like a weird question
If the sherrif of Nottingham is in this game and isn’t a wolf I’ll eat my left shoe.