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[Zenge142]

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Also worth noting that 2 of the 3 people that voted for AM are now dead

How are you interpreting that?

 

[mkg323]

How are you interpreting that?

I'm going back and forth on it, if AM was a wolf, it looks really obvious, so then maybe she's being framed? Its just odd, especially when the only person alive on the vote is Alissa, who AM is trying to lead a yeet on

 

[WildZoo]

That's a deadjo. Fauxjos are reaction tests (which have yet to succeed in practice).

Yeah that one time I tried went uh...real poorly it was fun though!


I think village lost that game...

 

[SportPonies]

I'm really struggling to find a way to say what I want to say in a non-snarky way

Uhhhh


I think if you would like the conversation to turn in a non-mechanical direction, the best way to help that happen is to make some non-mechanical posts yourself 🙂

And I knew that response was coming. Just frankly don’t have much to say while this mess is going on.

your concentrated effort to be not-snarky is appreciated 😛

 

[capri1722]

I think its pretty interesting how quickly the April wagon builds looking at the tallies, and while I know there were a lot of tinfoils getting thrown around about robin hood, its just weird. MsP switched from an AM vote, Samac had hers on Z earlier and pulled it off, DocE self prezzed by moving his vote off me, and Vissy and Bread cast their votes for the first time on April, with vissy's being like 10 minutes before closing. Also worth noting that 2 of the 3 people that voted for AM are now dead

sdn broke and won't let me expand the quotes to see your point edit: it fixed itself somehow
...but also the bolded could easily be wifom'd to death

 

[capri1722]

sdn broke and won't let me expand the quotes to see your point edit: it fixed itself somehow
...but also the bolded could easily be wifom'd to death

for the record, while mkg was posting this i was also trying to investigate more or less the same thing

 

[WildZoo]

And I knew that response was coming. Just frankly don’t have much to say while this mess is going on.

your concentrated effort to be not-snarky is appreciated 😛

I would like to hear your thoughts on non-mechanics things though

 

[supershorty]

@alleycat03 Hi! I just saw you liked one of my posts, and realized I'd completely forgotten you were playing. Are you catching up? Do you have any current reads or thoughts you can share?

Do you? Have any updates to your reads from yesterday?

 

[Viscernable]

You mean the direct Shakespeare quote about the death of Mercutio?

Oh. I assumed it was altered to be relevant to the game.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I think its pretty interesting how quickly the April wagon builds looking at the tallies, and while I know there were a lot of tinfoils getting thrown around about robin hood, its just weird. MsP switched from an AM vote, Samac had hers on Z earlier and pulled it off, DocE self prezzed by moving his vote off me, and Vissy and Bread cast their votes for the first time on April, with vissy's being like 10 minutes before closing. Also worth noting that 2 of the 3 people that voted for AM are now dead

Do you have thoughts on the other wagons that formed as well?

 

[Crayola227]

That's a deadjo. Fauxjos are reaction tests (which have yet to succeed in practice).

What sort of reaction test? Like faking something that looks like a rojo to see who pounces to attack?

 

[supershorty]

Oh. I assumed it was altered to be relevant to the game.

It's not the only direct quote from Romeo & Juliet so far.

 

[Animal Midwife]

What sort of reaction test? Like faking something that looks like a rojo to see who pounces to attack?

Yes.

 

[PippyPony]

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Oh. I assumed it was altered to be relevant to the game.

It's not the only direct quote from Romeo & Juliet so far.

Pay me £25 each to play this thing and then we can discuss truly custom content
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[Crayola227]

Sure. It's mostly leans at this point considering the thread state but:
Wolfy leans:
DocE obviously.
Cray I don't feel good about, but it's possible it's a pocketing situation.
Alissa: I feel weird about for the vote switching, but since I've also seen her get misyeeted for that, I'm a little gun shy to push there.
Cyndia: I don't feel good about her lack of thread presence given this is how she wolfed in Bioshock.

Village leans:
Alley: I feel good about having just wolfed with her, so leaning village.
Shorty: Village leaning. Typical Shorty village play.
Dubz: Village lean, but if April flips village, it'll be worth reevaluating.
Dina and you AM: Village leaning, but more from feels than content.

Everyone else is pretty neutral.

Can you explain what you meant by pocketing situation?

 

[Crayola227]

I really hope you weren't serious about the "she feels different this game" thing because you've literally said that about her every single game you've played with her and she's always been village.

One day she won't be. And I have a feeling when that day comes we will see a difference in her play, unless she's a wonder cub like samac.

Although I wanted to point out samac that that one game I kept saying you sounded wolfy, but there was some reason I didn't go there. I thought it had something to do with VCA or your interactions with AM.

 

[vetmedhead]

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Pay me $25 each to play this thing and then we can discuss true custom content
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Can we add flames to the sides of the write ups?
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[Crayola227]

Also funny for you to be throwing shade on Shorty for throwing shade when you are so adamant at throwing shade yourself, which is NAI.

Yes but that's my meta. Whatever I saw Shorty do didn't seem like it was characteristic for her.

 

[supershorty]

Yes but that's my meta. Whatever I saw Shorty do didn't seem like it was characteristic for her.

omfg you want me to go pull literally every time I have said "This feels weird" from my other 4 village games? Because I'll do it if it'll get you out of this stupid tunnel.

 

[samac]

One day she won't be. And I have a feeling when that day comes we will see a difference in her play, unless she's a wonder cub like samac.

Although I wanted to point out samac that that one game I kept saying you sounded wolfy, but there was some reason I didn't go there. I thought it had something to do with VCA or your interactions with AM.

you had me as village-ish early on that game. Only know this because I was looking through that wolf chat earlier today and I bragged about it lol

 

[capri1722]

for the record, while mkg was posting this i was also trying to investigate more or less the same thing

ok so went back to look at the reasonings for april's voters and this was the sketchiest one imo

Jumping around and catching up... I am driving the struggle bus at the moment.
Gonna jump on the

yeet april

mind you I am still catching up

not to mention visc's vote a whole 12 minutes before close

Vote april

will change if needed and post reason want to give time for defense

and cray's vote too i guess but the 9 min past close is more weird and not necessarily sketch/wolfy

#### unexterminate zenge ####

#### exterminate April ####

 

[Crayola227]

This is a good point and also reads genuinely villagey to me. I still think it’s good to push for people to post some reads early, but it can be a double-edged sword, because if you apply so much pressure that villagers feel they have to post not just whatever their genuine leans are so far but fake reads for the entire roster, that just benefits wolves. Basically, it’s easier for a villager to sound village by posting genuine reads than it is for a wolf posting fake reads, but harder for a villager posting fake reads than a wolf posting fake reads.

I seriously do not understand why a villager would EVER post fake reads. (Before DocE jumps in...) You're a villager stand your ground with truth. Don't manufacture reads. Learn how to assess what you see, put people in your neutrals and say what you would like to see from them. This gets easier with experience. You don't have to read every player D1.

It's important to see how people respond to pressure. Wolves HAVE to lie at some point. Villagers generally don't. Use that to your advantage. The stakes are generally way lower for you as a villager to get voted by someone pressuring you than if you're a wolf. Use the relative meaninglessness of your life to your advantage. Don't fall into a trap where pressure from a wolf makes you fake reads and you get misyeeted for essentially lying.

 

[vetmedhead]

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Every time someone says something pinged them I think about this
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[PippyPony]

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Meats I totally would have allowed that ghost post lol

If there's one thing that clearly lacks strategy...


Edit: ah, very good, very good!
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[Zenge142]

Do you? Have any updates to your reads from yesterday?

Samac: I’m leaning as village, but after Ggoats I don’t trust it too much. The “sorry April” pinged me because of how similar it was to the “Sorry Zenge” when she got me misyeeted when she was wolfing. I’m also not really onboard to follow this tinfoil she has going. She’s already misyeeted one villager and plans to push to misyeet maybe one, maybe two more following this tinfoil. Not a big fan of that without stronger evidence

WildZoo: Neutral with a slight village lean. I believe her rational for voting April, but I know how dangerous she can be as a wolf so I want to keep an eye out.

AM: Village reading. This has read like AM’s village meta to me, and there hasn’t been anything thats pinging me.

Ms Procrastinator: IDK WTF that angel shooting on Bob was but overall she does seem to be playing pro village though. It’s at least nice to see her playing like she did Bioshock and not Basics.

Dinashadow: I’d like to see more content overall but of what I’ve seen so far Im reading as village.

Supershorty: Reading as village. Nothing stands out as wolfy.

Crayola227: I’m reading as village. I don’t think she’s playing a very strong game. She seems less interested in wolf hunting, and more interested in throwing shade, and going after anyone who isn’t lining up to simp DocE. She completely phoned in her post restriction. I mean honestly, the best Dr. Who gifs of the day came from Genny calling Cray out on how lazy she was being with it. Again, I’m reading her as village, but I know she can play better than this, and hope she steps up her game.

Wolf Reading:

Viscernable: Reading as wolfy. Really didn’t like the last minute jump on to April as I’ve already said. Hoping to see more content come out.

DocEspana: Still reading behavior as wolfy, and nothing in his content so far has changed that, but people who are familiar with him say it’s just “him” so I’m looking elsewhere for now.

Everyone else:

I’m either reading as neutral or simply hasn’t posted enough that I feel like I can get a decent read on them. In general I do think at least a few wolves are hiding in the low posters.

 

[Barkley13]

I'm going back and forth on it, if AM was a wolf, it looks really obvious, so then maybe she's being framed? Its just odd, especially when the only person alive on the vote is Alissa, who AM is trying to lead a yeet on

This still feels like you’re trying to throw shade even though the SAR kill wasn’t super surprising (as others have mentioned too)

 

[The_Breadmann]

ok so went back to look at the reasonings for april's voters and this was the sketchiest one imo

not to mention visc's vote a whole 12 minutes before close

and cray's vote too i guess but the 9 min past close is more weird and not necessarily sketch/wolfy

Not gonna lie, mine was totally a sheep vote. Personally jumping around while catching up and getting a little curious about the April vote, I was actually not a big fan of why Ms. P voted for April.(would add quote but I forgot how to quote on mobile)

 

[capri1722]

vote visc

even though i wasn't really a fan of bread's vote either, i'm dropping my vote here because visc pinged on my radar a couple other times

 

[Zenge142]

Can you explain what you meant by pocketing situation?

At the time, since I was wolf reading DocE, and I felt like you were sheeping him, and throwing a lot of blind support onto him, I was trying to decide if you were packmates or if I thought he’d pocketed you.

 

[WildZoo]

vote visc

even though i wasn't really a fan of bread's vote either, i'm dropping my vote here because visc pinged on my radar a couple other times

Can you be more specific about when vis pinged you? I saw the late vote thing but was there anything else?

 

[Crayola227]

@Aprilthearab

They were arguing that I was suspicious for saying SAR requesting a tie not happen was modesty (I forget the exact word that was used) and that it triggered my rule of elect those who don't want to be elected. if you want to be super picky, they didn't use the exact words suspicious, but I don't think anyone is going to critique my assessment of what they meant by the words they did choose to use. They criticized my opinion of electing the people who don't want it as contradictory... Even though my very first (on topic) post in this whole thread was about that theory. They then also said that you never know what'll happen if there's a tie. Both people could end up dead. That's complete nonsense. That's the sort of stuff that a amateur wolf says to muddy the water. There is a 0% chance that that is actually a possibility without the mod spelling it out. And we have a nice and kind and touchy-feely mod. It's almost a guarantee that it wouldn't happen on a lynch vote either and it IS a guarantee it wouldn't happen on a mayor vote with ANYONE (Except JDH)

Then they repeatedly stated on multiple posts that maybe we should be going after people who aren't that active. Even a passing understanding of how this game works will let you know that that is a tremendously bad strategy for the village. The strategy begins to get better as you get near the end of the game, but it is horrendous at the start of the game. I spelled that out. You can go ahead and Google werewolf/mafia strategies. It'll be there as a big mistake to not make.

That's just my take on "their takes are ****" component. it makes me not feel bad getting rid of them even if the next part is wrong: I've been very clear that my only strategy complaint is that the way they handled the first few hours rubbed me much more as a wolf trying to stir up coversation and many different votes. It was just so perfectly classic of an example. with that said, I have said it now like five different times, it is day one. It could also just be a coincidence. The only reason why I feel comfortable with this move is because of the stuff I wrote above where this person clearly is bad at this game and so I was paying very close attention to see if it was worthwhile to get rid of them. And as soon as they did something that *could* be wolfy I let go of ant reservations.

since then, they have repeatedly quoted my post and completely ignored almost every point I made. They would mistate my argument. they would say that they read my posts and then completely ignore my post said. I would request them repeatedly to go back to a very specific post they made and they acted like they had no idea what post I was talking about despite the fact that I literally told them where to look. they continue to not address the fact that they made two different very bad arguments, and they accuse me of misrepresenting their argument when it is them who is continually evasive. The fact of the matter is that you all probably know her, and you probably all find me very abrasive and loud and aggressive. Except, collective dandelions, This works. Because this forces people outside of their comfort zone. and I'm not going to stop doing it just because it gets people to reflexively go "this person makes me uncomfortable and I want to get rid of him so we can all sing kumbaya." Take the time and read the thread and then tell me how you feel.

You might feel like I am being overly hard on them, and I agree that I am. But they are the person who I feel most comfortable with losing if they end up being a villager. What I know you won't feel, is you won't feel like I have been changing my arguments at any point, disingenuous at any point, or doing anything other than saying the exact same thing every single post and having shorty misrepresent my argument every single time she quotes it

I just have to point out, I wouldn't describe Pippy as a warm and fuzzy mod, and the next meta in pre-vet is that any number of people can potentially die in any sort of tie and a warning about that isn't a given.

 

[PippyPony]

Day Two - Keep Calm and WW On - Vote Tally

AM (1) - samac
Alissa (1) - AM
Zenge (2) - Cray, genny
Bobloblaw (2) - Ms P, DocE
Viscernable (3) - dina, cyndia, capri

still only 9/24 players voting ... *sad mod noises*
Voting closes in ~24 hours

 

[WildZoo]

yeet LIS

 

[mkg323]

Do you have thoughts on the other wagons that formed as well?

So the only other people that had more than one vote were:
AM (3) - alissa, TME, SAR
Alissa (2) - finn, capri
Zenge (3) - genny, sunshine, cray
sunshine (3) - LIS, VMH, Barks

Some things that stand out to me about each:
AM - kinda reading village based on tone/questions, but some things have pinged me: she has led a yeet against Alissa D2 in every game I've played with her which is kinda weird, & had back and forth with Alissa but left her vote on Stagg, before placing a contingency yeet on Alissa for D2
Alissa - full disclosure, I get her mixed up with Alley, but from doing a quick iso and skimming I feel ok about her right now, pretty much neutral
Zenge - I dont think he's acting very similar to when he was a wolf in bioshock, but I wouldnt say this is normal village zenge either. I dont really trust my own reads after getting pocketed last time, but right now he's on the lower end of the neutral pile, closer to wolf lean
Sunny - I have her tentatively in village leans, I think her frustration was genuine, and her content posts have added to the discussion well

 

[genny]

Oh that reminds me, is anyone post restricted today? Who hasn't said anything?

 

[Zenge142]

yeet LIS

Is it just the lack of thread presence, or is there anything more?

 

[DocEspana]

Maybe this will be what does me in and makes me look stupid, but visc is a bad choice.

He's good people. And not just because his vote saved me. Actually making a comment on my beliefs of his identity.

 

[Crayola227]

There was heat on her at least once and Dubz played it off as "No one is defending her so she must be village" lol

Yeah and that got my wolfy feels from Dubz, I remember that

 

[samac]

Samac: I’m leaning as village, but after Ggoats I don’t trust it too much. The “sorry April” pinged me because of how similar it was to the “Sorry Zenge” when she got me misyeeted when she was wolfing. I’m also not really onboard to follow this tinfoil she has going. She’s already misyeeted one villager and plans to push to misyeet maybe one, maybe two more following this tinfoil. Not a big fan of that without stronger evidence

WildZoo: Neutral with a slight village lean. I believe her rational for voting April, but I know how dangerous she can be as a wolf so I want to keep an eye out.

AM: Village reading. This has read like AM’s village meta to me, and there hasn’t been anything thats pinging me.

Ms Procrastinator: IDK WTF that angel shooting on Bob was but overall she does seem to be playing pro village though. It’s at least nice to see her playing like she did Bioshock and not Basics.

Dinashadow: I’d like to see more content overall but of what I’ve seen so far Im reading as village.

Supershorty: Reading as village. Nothing stands out as wolfy.

Crayola227: I’m reading as village. I don’t think she’s playing a very strong game. She seems less interested in wolf hunting, and more interested in throwing shade, and going after anyone who isn’t lining up to simp DocE. She completely phoned in her post restriction. I mean honestly, the best Dr. Who gifs of the day came from Genny calling Cray out on how lazy she was being with it. Again, I’m reading her as village, but I know she can play better than this, and hope she steps up her game.

Wolf Reading:

Viscernable: Reading as wolfy. Really didn’t like the last minute jump on to April as I’ve already said. Hoping to see more content come out.

DocEspana: Still reading behavior as wolfy, and nothing in his content so far has changed that, but people who are familiar with him say it’s just “him” so I’m looking elsewhere for now.

Everyone else:

I’m either reading as neutral or simply hasn’t posted enough that I feel like I can get a decent read on them. In general I do think at least a few wolves are hiding in the low posters.

Honestly me feeling bad for helping lead a misyeet is NAI for me.
I actually did feel bad for leading that misyeet on you when you got so frustrated.
And as far as stronger evidence goes I guess all I have left is the Sheriff of Nottingham obviously exists in this game and for the majority of people location has seemed to matter.
I don’t know why you’re bringing up me pushing that though, when I’ve only answered questions people have asked and haven’t been shouting to yeet AM or finn since yesterday.

 

[Zenge142]

I don’t know why you’re bringing up me pushing that though, when I’ve only answered questions people have asked and haven’t been shouting to yeet AM or finn since yesterday.

I specifically said it sounded like this was your plan. If it’s changed that’s fine, but I wasn’t aware of any changes.

 

[WildZoo]

Is it just the lack of thread presence, or is there anything more?

As I mentioned it's not his absence, but a difference in engagement when he is here. He almost exclusively posted about AM when he was here yesterday and hardly mentioned anything else.

 

[samac]

I specifically said it sounded like this was your plan. If it’s changed that’s fine, but I wasn’t aware of any changes.

Don’t get me wrong, I think I’m onto something with location mattering for the majority of people and Robin helped solidly that, but I guess I can’t be sure and people aren’t buying it.
If someone else has a better idea to sus out the sheriff I’m also happy to listen to that. I’m satisfied right now if people keep a healthy amount of skepticism about AM and Finn.

one thing interesting though is since my tinfoil Finn has went poof. Where she at?

 

[Animal Midwife]

So the only other people that had more than one vote were:
AM (3) - alissa, TME, SAR
Alissa (2) - finn, capri
Zenge (3) - genny, sunshine, cray
sunshine (3) - LIS, VMH, Barks

Some things that stand out to me about each:
AM - kinda reading village based on tone/questions, but some things have pinged me: she has led a yeet against Alissa D2 in every game I've played with her which is kinda weird, & had back and forth with Alissa but left her vote on Stagg, before placing a contingency yeet on Alissa for D2
Alissa - full disclosure, I get her mixed up with Alley, but from doing a quick iso and skimming I feel ok about her right now, pretty much neutral
Zenge - I dont think he's acting very similar to when he was a wolf in bioshock, but I wouldnt say this is normal village zenge either. I dont really trust my own reads after getting pocketed last time, but right now he's on the lower end of the neutral pile, closer to wolf lean
Sunny - I have her tentatively in village leans, I think her frustration was genuine, and her content posts have added to the discussion well

Why not include the single-vote wagons?

The bolded is patently false. Outside of that though, why is that or the following statements weird to you?

Why are you only neutral on alissa if she's okay? How do you feel about alley?

 

[mkg323]

As I mentioned it's not his absence, but a difference in engagement when he is here. He almost exclusively posted about AM when he was here yesterday and hardly mentioned anything else.

wait what? Didn't he lead the wagon on Sunny?

 

[Zenge142]

How do you feel about alley?

I know this isn’t directed at me, but I started off the game feeling fine about Alley, but she hasn’t posted since Sunday, and I know she’s been here because she liked one of my posts recently and then didn’t respond to me when I tagged her asking for reads. I don’t feel good about that at all.

 

[WildZoo]

wait what? Didn't he lead the wagon on Sunny?

Recency bias, I was referring to when he was around and posted several times late yesterday. I haven't done a full ISO, but my impression is that he didn't actually engage with sunny much at all.

 

[mkg323]

Why not include the single-person wagons?

The bolded is patently false. Outside of that though, why is that or the following statements weird to you?

Why are you only neutral on alissa if she's okay? How do you feel about alley?

I honestly didn't think single-votes were considered wagons.
Sorry, you led the alissa D2 in ggoats, then she got yeeted D1 in Bioshock. It just stuck with me that Alissa seems to get yeeted early on a lot. I dont think its some pattern that is AI for you, but I had it in whats left of my notes and I left it. She's ok because I literally searched posts for user, skimmed the page of results and felt ok, but that is missing context of posts, and any responses people have to her. I really need to go back and ISO alley and Alissa, the A names plus cat pics just make them merge into one person in my brain, and I dont feel comfortable giving much of a read on them or moving them out of neutral when I'm forgetting who said what

 

[Crayola227]

I mknd

Samac: I’m leaning as village, but after Ggoats I don’t trust it too much. The “sorry April” pinged me because of how similar it was to the “Sorry Zenge” when she got me misyeeted when she was wolfing. I’m also not really onboard to follow this tinfoil she has going. She’s already misyeeted one villager and plans to push to misyeet maybe one, maybe two more following this tinfoil. Not a big fan of that without stronger evidence

WildZoo: Neutral with a slight village lean. I believe her rational for voting April, but I know how dangerous she can be as a wolf so I want to keep an eye out.

AM: Village reading. This has read like AM’s village meta to me, and there hasn’t been anything thats pinging me.

Ms Procrastinator: IDK WTF that angel shooting on Bob was but overall she does seem to be playing pro village though. It’s at least nice to see her playing like she did Bioshock and not Basics.

Dinashadow: I’d like to see more content overall but of what I’ve seen so far Im reading as village.

Supershorty: Reading as village. Nothing stands out as wolfy.

Crayola227: I’m reading as village. I don’t think she’s playing a very strong game. She seems less interested in wolf hunting, and more interested in throwing shade, and going after anyone who isn’t lining up to simp DocE. She completely phoned in her post restriction. I mean honestly, the best Dr. Who gifs of the day came from Genny calling Cray out on how lazy she was being with it. Again, I’m reading her as village, but I know she can play better than this, and hope she steps up her game.

Wolf Reading:

Viscernable: Reading as wolfy. Really didn’t like the last minute jump on to April as I’ve already said. Hoping to see more content come out.

DocEspana: Still reading behavior as wolfy, and nothing in his content so far has changed that, but people who are familiar with him say it’s just “him” so I’m looking elsewhere for now.

Everyone else:

I’m either reading as neutral or simply hasn’t posted enough that I feel like I can get a decent read on them. In general I do think at least a few wolves are hiding in the low posters.

I kinda resent this a little given the amount of time I spent dealing with the restriction and my explanation to Dubz about why it was so hard.

I literally can't find an app on my phone that will left me use gifs.

 

[finnickthedog]

Where she at?

The long cycles are already getting to me. My intent was pretty much to just read posts today (to avoid having a backlog to catch up on) but not really engage too much unless someone spoke to me and then hopefully feel more energized about contributing tomorrow.

I would have happily checked out altogether for the day but you guys talk so much that if I did that I'd probably start crying in the morning at the amount I'd have to catch up on.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Sure, I think someone mentioned it and I was like let’s not.
but this is 41 pages. You remembered someone talking about conversion so well you thought the mention of the word change was a conversion?

I think something is getting missed. I got the changing from this:

Unfortunately, the security in Buckingham Palace has always been a little lacking, to say the least. An intruder broke in again and murdered the monarch in her bed.
(Come on, palace guards... maybe a little less changing and a little more guarding??)

I guess I should’ve stuck with changing of the guard. But she was upset how the killer got past the guards. My mind thought it could be the guards or the guards changed/turned.

(at first I thought you were asking how I possibly knew about this mechanic if I was new. Now I realize you probably are asking why I thought this)