Fire Emblem: Three HoWWses Game Thread

[Animal Midwife]

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If there is yet another wolf who can't be defended, when actually yeeted without mechanical outting, then maybe I have to accept this is a strong deviation from all her other games.

 

[Wiisp]

Well if AM wants to kill themself in the game they are doing a good job of it so far, but our holy mother Zoo liked AM, and I still think this is somewhat different than the wolf game I read, so I'm gunna do my own work, and keep Zoo's thoughts in my mind

Now that I don't agree with the idea that attitude read that AM could be an annoyed wolf

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm literally mechanically clear if this a broken game which even I find ridiculous.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Id like to request people (WISP AND SOV) please stop claiming stuff (WISP AND SOV) cause it seems reasonably likely there's an anti claim mechanic of some kind to me. This isn't directed at any one particular person (WISP AND SOV).

My lawyer will defend me all day long. I have made no claims contrary to the contractual obligations entered into vis-a-vis mod rules and mechanisms. anyone drawing conclusions from my statements does so of their own volition and without the consent of the OP.

 

[chicandtoughness]

To be fair I'm the joat of the third house, which lines up with the joat flips so far, if anyone cares

You made it pretty clear early on lol.

Well this is kinda silly isn't it you can't exactly expect someone to defend themselves from something like this, even if self defenses are something you care about lol

I didn't explain myself well in the original post - I didn't mean that mothy should explain why miranda thought she was village. I'd just like to hear mothy's thoughts overall 🙂 Two others have already put her on the yeet block, I want to know what she has to say in her defense.

Yeet SOV

Okay but why.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Okay but why.

He busses partners hard, early, and fast if even one villager says they might be sus + he's leaning entirely on mechanical fallacies to clear himself + he cannot back up any arguments against me with quotes from this game or any other game we've played together.

 

[Zenge142]

Zenge can you either come claim your vig shot or explain what happened if it didn't land target.

I shot veggie. It seemed like that was the consensus of the thread, so that’s where I shot

 

[Zenge142]

SOV

Why is SOV so high up your reads list?

 

[StartingoverVet]

He busses partners hard, early, and fast if even one villager says they might be sus + he's leaning entirely on mechanical fallacies to clear himself + he cannot back up any arguments against me with quotes from this game or any other game we've played together.

And how is my play different than when I am a villager, I play the same way. you never addressed that.
And I have plenty of evidence against you.
*tunneling on zuri day 1
*tunneling on me all game long
*not part of poppy Lynch
*spending a full day tinfoiling on useless wolf claiming scenarios,
*not disclosing mod given info on wolfs being a separate faction until after we discussed it on thread. And then downplaying it.
*and ignoring the obvious mechanics because you say you don’t like the game design and call, it broken when you should have no clue of the complexities. You Just don’t like it? That is opinion, not evidence. Who should not like this design? The initial wolves!
* arguing that me finding wolves is wolfy. That is a no win scenario that even you have to see is ridiculous. it’s more like paranoia.

 

[Zenge142]

Mayo I liked mostly for the April stuff they said while catching up so thats a read I have to update.

Can you highlight what you liked specifically?

 

[Animal Midwife]

And how is my play different than when I am a villager, I play the same way. you never addressed that.

Per your words, it's not. That's why I asked for your tells.

land I have plenty of evidence against you.
tunneking on zuri day 1

So did a lot of other people.

tunnekimg on me all game long

Yeah, because you're wolfy.

not part of poppy.

Neither were most people.

spending a full day tinfoiling on useless wolf claiming scenarios,

Never happened.

not disclosing mod given info on wolfs being a separate faction until after we discussed it on thread.

Never happened.

And then downplaying it.

Never happened.

and ignoring the obvious because you don’t like the game design and cal, it broken when you have no clue of the complexities. Just don’t like it. That is opinion, not evidence.

Then why did you include it in this list?

arguing that me finding wolves is wolfy. That is a no win scenario that even you have to see is ridiculous. its more like paranoia.

Do you disagree that you don't deepwolf every time you wolf?

 

[StartingoverVet]

Gals and guys: I am putting AM on ignore, I don’t want myself or village to be distracted. If she has anything to say that I should address or know you can let me know, but I am not going to waste our time on AM v SOV Anymore. You know what we both think,

I am going to take a break and be back later. Cheers.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Gals and guys: I am putting on AM on ignore, I don’t want myself or village to be distracted. If she has anything to say that I should address or know you can let me know, but I am not going to waste our time on AM v SOV Anymore. You know what we both think,

See how he says "myself or village". Dichotomy.

 

[Wiisp]

Your original thought had 0 legs to stand on, we yeeted a wolf and u went straight to shading SOV and put them in an unwinnable situation of which killing a wolf means nothing because they can always be bussing

 

[Animal Midwife]

Your original thought had 0 legs to stand on, we yeeted a wolf and u went straight to shading SOV and put them in an unwinnable situation of which killing a wolf means nothing because they can always be bussing

You'd shield SOV even if he rojo'd the entire team in red text.

 

[Lawpy]

Your original thought had 0 legs to stand on, we yeeted a wolf and u went straight to shading SOV and put them in an unwinnable situation of which killing a wolf means nothing because they can always be bussing

AM mentioned about SOV’s bussing earlier. See below:

It feels random for SOV to bus poppy early D2 like that

These are posts from the two wolf games I mentioned earlier. Highlighted partners in red.
Basics




post game

90s

She isn’t wrong. That’s the inherent risk that comes from bussing hard and regularly before because it makes it near impossible to understand VCA.

 

[Lawpy]

Night 2: Where the Goddess Dwells

*looks at spreadsheet*

....You guys are gonna have to wait for flavor on this one.


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Dead is @WildZoo - Lorenz and his stupid face, Golden Deer, who had no special ability

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Dead is @PlumPoppy - Thales, Those Who Slither In The Dark (WOLF), who could resurrect one player during the game.

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Dead is @samac - Petra, Black Eagles, who could once each learn the name of a player, snipe a player at night, and watch a player.

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Dead is @potentialsheltervet - Yuri The Savage Mockingjay and Flaming Bisexual, Ashen Wolves, who could apply a post restriction each night, and had a one-time-use redirection.

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Re-alivened is @NateTheLesser!

Re-alivened is @Viscernable!



The Cemetery:
@WildZoo - Lorenz, Golden Deer, vanilla
@PlumPoppy - Thales, TWSITD, 1x rez
@samac - Petra, Black Eagles, 1x JOAT rolename seer, vigilante, watcher
@potentialsheltervet - Yuri, Ashen Wolves, Post Restrictor/1x redirector

Spoiler: The Roster

Arianrhod, The Silver Maiden:
@Santygrass
@Wondalfy
@HW_88 -> @holdthemayo
@Clem J
@motheatenlysis

Aillel, The Valley of Torment:
@VeggieTrex
@alleycat03
@genny

The Mittelfrank Opera House:
@SARdoghandler
@Zenge142
@Animal Midwife
@StartingoverVet

Garreg Mach Monastery:
@miranda920
@justafluff
@zuriburi -> @Lawpy

The Tailtean Plains:
@Aprilthearab
@chicandtoughness
@Wiisp

[will replace where they were once I can reference the old roster]
@Viscernable
@NateTheLesser

It is now Day 3. Vote Close 9PM ​

Sporty pls? 🥺 🥺

 

[justafluff]

Ok let’s try this:
@Zenge142 have you reconsidered my case?
And what do you have to say about Clem saying you re in the same faction? He’s said it twice now.

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142 have you reconsidered my case?

I’m willing to admit it’s not currently worth discussing or clogging the thread with.

And what do you have to say about Clem saying you re in the same faction? He’s said it twice now.

I feel like Sporty has repeatedly said we shouldn’t out our factions or talk about any of that, so I don’t intend to discuss this in any capacity.

 

[SportPonies]

Sporty pls? 🥺 🥺

It’s on my to do list for today. I just spent an hour writing two deaths, I need to emotionally recalibrate to handle 4.

 

[Wiisp]

I'm going on lunch so I can write a post up

 

[genny]

It's respect having been one of the only two people who have played all of Sporty's game.

Who’s the other? Dubz?

 

[genny]

Ok let’s try this:
@Zenge142 have you reconsidered my case?
And what do you have to say about Clem saying you re in the same faction? He’s said it twice now.

I feel like we have enough data to figure out who’s in which faction, but I haven’t actually tried to do that yet since I’d have to read some of the lore too and that’s not going to happen until tomorrow afternoon at the earliest.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Who’s the other? Dubz?

You. dubz modded with Sporty last time.

 

[Viscernable]

im so scawed owo s-s-someone hold me pwease I need cuddwles

*cave slowly begins to fill with water*

 

[Viscernable]

But memeing aside that’s where I am as well, based on miranda interaction

Vote mothy

 

[Wiisp]

AM mentioned about SOV’s bussing earlier. See below:




She isn’t wrong. That’s the inherent risk that comes from bussing hard and regularly before because it makes it near impossible to understand VCA.

There are obvious answers to hard bussing, using your eyes, reading context, why haven't they died, and still a lot of that isn't always conclusive. I've also lost all my recent games because of VCA reads I tried, I find VCA gella unreliable

You'd shield SOV even if he rojo'd the entire team in red text.

In this game probably, but I've caught my fair share of deep bussers, but this is also an irrelevant response to my point. And rather annoying to deal with, I don't claim to be a God at mafia, I'm wrong and I'm right. I've also correctly called out wolves inside a parity, all 3 of them to be exact, I've correctly called out wolves who were lying about their roles to the T, I just recently attempted to vote off a hsrd bussed, so I'm well aware of a lot of scenarios

You haven't given me anything to stand on, so until I do, there isnt even a reason for me to humor wolf SOV even if I wasn't in their faction

Tidbit: I also recently poe'd the entire wolf team out of 18 players, on day 1, and got night 1'd

So less of insulting me, and more of trying to convince me it's beneficial for my town wincpn to vote out SoV

 

[Wiisp]

Give me one of these SoV wolf games where he hard bussed so I can at least maybe see what u are saying

@Animal Midwife

 

[Animal Midwife]

There are obvious answers to hard bussing, using your eyes, reading context, why haven't they died, and still a lot of that isn't always conclusive. I've also lost all my recent games because of VCA reads I tried, I find VCA gella unreliable

I'm sorry to hear that but VCA reads have largely been why I've won games.

In this game probably, but I've caught my fair share of deep bussers, but this is also an irrelevant response to my point. And rather annoying to deal with, I don't claim to be a God at mafia, I'm wrong and I'm right. I've also correctly called out wolves inside a parity, all 3 of them to be exact, I've correctly called out wolves who were lying about their roles to the T, I just recently attempted to vote off a hsrd bussed, so I'm well aware of a lot of scenarios

You've mentioned the parity game already. None of them were SOV though. This is context-dependent.

You haven't given me anything to stand on, so until I do, there isnt even a reason for me to humor wolf SOV even if I wasn't in their faction

I literally provided his two most recent wolf games which match this one in partner handling. If that doesn't convince you, nothing will.

Tidbit: I also recently poe'd the entire wolf team out of 18 players, on day 1, and got night 1'd

That wasn't this game nor did it involve SOV.

So less of insulting me, and more of trying to convince me it's beneficial for my town wincpn to vote out SoV

I can't convince you on something you won't take your blinders off for.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Give me one of these SoV wolf games where he hard bussed so I can at least maybe see what u are saying

@Animal Midwife

That post Lawpy quoted from me are two of his most recent wolf games.

 

[Wiisp]

I'll iso u later and go find them if u don't repost them, otherwise I think there is still a slight chance we are both town with slightly different mindsets

 

[StartingoverVet]

I am having thoughts on zenge. Not really concrete,
*ISo-Ed him and doesn’t really seemed to have helped the village much,
*mostly pokes at what other people say (could be their style so IDK) without really giving much.
*I don’t understand the Clem-Zenge relationship, but that is neither here nor there, just doesn’t fit well to me. Maybe they are masons.
*i Thought the whole fluff saga was a bit stretched. Most of us saw it for what it was, but zenge seemed hell bent on getting our approval to take out fluff, which wasnt really possible.
*don’t know them at all - never played together I believe - but he seems like a really good player in his interactions but without good results so far and mostly offbase on most of the stuff,
*would zenge be the type of wolf to come out and try to act like a vigilante and get our approval to take out a fellow villager (that we were sketchy on but he knew wasn’t lupine)? It’s a bold play but some wolves would do that. If wolves had a second kill it would muddy the waters a bit there.

it’s not enough for me to push a yeet vote yet, but there is a lot to “not like” there. Anyone else have similar feels?


i still feel like alley is a possibility, but Nate never answers my questions on her, which is strange. And she has so little substance to evaluate IMO. I still think poppy was trying to throw us off the noob course and I know Alley is NOT a noob (well to me yes, but I know not really). I quickly looked through her posts and find nothing helpful but nothing damning. Very milquetoast play which could be her wolf style.


my only other suspicion remains mother mothy. Haven’t RE examined her yet. Will do so later.

tl;dr So other than ”she who will not be named: zenge, mother, and alley are my potential choices to yeet.

thoughts?

 

[Wiisp]

And how is my play different than when I am a villager, I play the same way. you never addressed that.
And I have plenty of evidence against you.
*tunneling on zuri day 1
*tunneling on me all game long
*not part of poppy Lynch
*spending a full day tinfoiling on useless wolf claiming scenarios,
*not disclosing mod given info on wolfs being a separate faction until after we discussed it on thread. And then downplaying it.
*and ignoring the obvious mechanics because you say you don’t like the game design and call, it broken when you should have no clue of the complexities. You Just don’t like it? That is opinion, not evidence. Who should not like this design? The initial wolves!
* arguing that me finding wolves is wolfy. That is a no win scenario that even you have to see is ridiculous. it’s more like paranoia.

Everyone tunneled on Zuri, there world view was wack and I'm still oscillating around how I feel in regards to Lawpy.

Tunneling on you is irrelevant, it only works from your PoV and maybe me, or other people in the golden deers, at least until you flip. But I was also pretty sure that you claiming wouldn't have changed their mind.

Not part of the poppy lynch is kinda hard to read, since nobody really was hard pushing them, there was some mild stuff, I was also wrong on pippy for what it's worth

The not disclosing info is w/e it could easily be chopped down to AMs mindset, even if I don't agree with it

Ignoring the mechanics is probably the most blatant thing especially arguing that they would need another wolf flip, when we've flipped two wolves that haven't any affiliations with any other faction, meh

I agree that the last point is kinda a trap, id have to read those games to understand why they believe this. I wouldn't worry too much since u have an entire house that won't vote u, and possibly already someone not in our house already voting with you

 

[Wiisp]

Personally Im kinda still at I believe both AM and Zenge believe their pushes, but AMs is worse for obvious reasons, and them shading me, doesn't help me at all, but my read is still likely town based off meta at least on AM

 

[motheatenlysis]

im so scawed owo s-s-someone hold me pwease I need cuddwles

lol I mean. I’m not going to do anything bad to you. I have no power role. But you’ve started a yeet train on village.

Looking back at this post.

Mothy what do you have to say for yourself?

Yeet Mothy

Vote not definitive, but Ties GOAT

Moving mothy to sus based on miranda comments.

But memeing aside that’s where I am as well, based on miranda interaction

Vote mothy

Miranda played a good early game, caught on to Dubz not wanting to yeet Noobs and my following of her, and then poked holes in me being a legitimately confused player.

Mayo can vouch for me, but I don’t want to out their role unless they want to.

But ya’ll are legitimately yeeting a villager.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Give me one of these SoV wolf games where he hard bussed so I can at least maybe see what u are saying

@Animal Midwife

We still talking about this?
I’ll summarize for everyone. I have been a wolf a LOT. I try really hard to make sure wolf SOV is not different than village SOV. My wolf style is not consistent nor is my village. Some games I am very engaged. Some i am not. Some roles i am very reactive to getting called wolf, some i chill. It is all NAI. Some I throw random votes on wolves early, some I don’t. Sometimes I will defend a wolf to the end, sometimes I bandwagon. All depends on the situation, It doesn’t get you closer to identifying me as a wolf. My play is most similar in I am more reactive if I had a cool role village or wolf. If I am plain vanilla wolf or village I tend to be less engaged. Again not NAI.

1) you can’t generalize from 2 cherry-picked wolf games I played, since I have wolfed a lot and there is a lot of data out there With conflicting results.
2) if you can’t say I am wolf or village from the data, it is garbage. Just an interesting fact.

use all the data in front of you and make an informed choice, that’s what I ask, she who will not be named doesn’t seem capable to make that Shift. I trust the rest of you to do so.

now can we get back to finding wolves?

 

[StartingoverVet]

lol I mean. I’m not going to do anything bad to you. I have no power role. But you’ve started a yeet train on village.




Miranda played a good early game, caught on to Dubz not wanting to yeet Noobs and my following of her, and then poked holes in me being a legitimately confused player.

Mayo can vouch for me, but I don’t want to out their role unless they want to.

But ya’ll are legitimately yeeting a villager.

This seems slightly villagery to me, hmmm. Like not how a noob wolf would react at all.

 

[justafluff]

I feel like we have enough data to figure out who’s in which faction, but I haven’t actually tried to do that yet since I’d have to read some of the lore too and that’s not going to happen until tomorrow afternoon at the earliest.

Not trying to figure out anything, just wanted to hear his version in case Clem is just BSing us

 

[Aprilthearab]

This seems slightly villagery to me, hmmm. Like not how a noob wolf would react at all.

Still doubtful mothy is a wolf despite a number of people thinking her yeet is the next to make

 

[StartingoverVet]

I feel like we have enough data to figure out who’s in which faction, but I haven’t actually tried to do that yet since I’d have to read some of the lore too and that’s not going to happen until tomorrow afternoon at the earliest.

It’s a big logic puzzle, but I don’t have the patience to do it.
sounds Like a job for a statistician. Where’s rojo?

 

[justafluff]

Id like to request people (WISP AND SOV) please stop claiming stuff (WISP AND SOV) cause it seems reasonably likely there's an anti claim mechanic of some kind to me. This isn't directed at any one particular person (WISP AND SOV).

Why do you think there’s an anticlaim mechanic? I assumed samac’s death was another vig. There’s several JOATs so it makes sense there’d be another one that can shoot.

 

[Clem J]

*cave slowly begins to fill with water*

n-n-nowo nwot like that sad uwu

 

[Clem J]

Why do you think there’s an anticlaim mechanic? I assumed samac’s death was another vig. There’s several JOATs so it makes sense there’d be another one that can shoot.

Call it intuition 🤷‍♀️

 

[Clem J]

lol I mean. I’m not going to do anything bad to you. I have no power role. But you’ve started a yeet train on village.




Miranda played a good early game, caught on to Dubz not wanting to yeet Noobs and my following of her, and then poked holes in me being a legitimately confused player.

Mayo can vouch for me, but I don’t want to out their role unless they want to.

But ya’ll are legitimately yeeting a villager.

Well I'm voting am, so

 

[StartingoverVet]

Why do you think there’s an anticlaim mechanic? I assumed samac’s death was another vig. There’s several JOATs so it makes sense there’d be another one that can shoot.

i Agree there is probably some sort of an anti-claim mechanic. I don’t think moral suasion works well with WW players.
I just think you can’t come out and say things directly, I hope you can allude.
alternatively, the setup I would use if I created this game is if the wolves can name the faction and all of the players who are in that faction they get an extra kill or conversion or something.

all speculation, but I am trying to not directly name players or name my faction directly “just in case”

 

[StartingoverVet]

Thread so quiet. I have a sadz.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Thread so quiet. I have a sadz.

I'm here, just using all my brain power to contemplate my POE

 

[StartingoverVet]

I'm here, just using all my brain power to contemplate my POE

I’m trying to game solve. What better way to waste my limited remaining firing neurons.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I’m trying to game solve. What better way to waste my limited remaining firing neurons.

What a vibe

 

[Aprilthearab]

What points do we have on Santy right now? Definitely been vibing in the village block for most of the game but how did he get there besides feelz?