FTF's Worst Idea Yet (Game Over)
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WildZoo
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You sure are reacting to the tiniest bit of pressure just the same way you do when you're scumming
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I still don't understand how wolves can't be lovers. Can they just not have some roles that mafia and village can have? I don't like that there are secret rules here that some people know but no one else does.
Yeet me, I apparently picked the crappy role anyways
No. You're thinking of siblings. Lovers are essentially negative utility neighbors.
WHAT IS NEGATIVE UTILITY
Why's that?
I don't have any plans to switch later, but if Vis or Genny show up and they start howling, I might feel more strongly about them than I do about Paws.
An ability that makes it significantly harder to achieve, or actively works against, your wincon.
Would you believe Vis is already here?
So "negative utility" is not even a static thing?
Like...are you kidding me?
Like...are you kidding me?
What do you mean by static?
I'm interpreting Pippy's declined role as a genuine misunderstanding of what it does, especially given the post below. Doesn't mean she can't be a wolf or mafia but I don't think that alone is a solid reason to read her that way. Is there a reason you feel it's misleading?
You said it is based on wincon.
If this is a faction game -- which it seems like it is because wolves ≠ mafia -- then "against your wincon" = relative to win condition.
Aka not static.
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you're still on a post #1 naked vote so I hardly think anyone owes you explanations
but as you always like to say, look at the thread. I have already commented on all 3 of them.
After getting mostly caught-up and thinking on it some, I’m temporarily putting aside my suspicion of alissa. It’s just giving me way too many flashbacks to games she was voted out early for putting her foot in her mouth with day 1 overeager villager abandon. She’s too easy of a misyeet to go for her day 1 again imo.
Honestly, the explanation makes sense to me and I feel like you may be starting to head into an unproductive tunnel.
I do feel differently, leaning towards v/v. It’s reminding me of apocalypse when I was certain Pippy was twisting people’s words and misrepresenting things to throw sus, and it turns out she was the village protector and we just have very different ideas of what looks suspicious.
I still don't understand what you mean. Village almost never wins with any scum alive that has a factional kill even in non-faction games.
omg
Catching up now
Honestly please yeet me because I've never felt dumber in my life
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It was not just that part in isolation, I also mentioned how I felt about her posts in her conversation with paws. That part is just what she chose to focus on in replying to me.
I've seen this reasoning come up a lot and I'm still not a fan of it... Our yeets should be used on people we think are wolfy, and we shouldn't assume that those yeets are going to accidentally flip villagers. I'd be very willing to yeet Chaos if he lasts longer than expected, but for now I'm willing to roll with the role reveal.
Huh, this is interesting. Bob played with and then talked with us in dead chat about cray for a long time during England.
I thought no post editing allowed?
It's not a secret. I can even share them if you're interested.
I forgot momentarily when I woke up.
Can you? Because I asked FTF for a role description list and got the same list of roles in the signups that doesn't include descriptions for anything. Just seeing that "mafia wolf compulsive OS seer singer antipsycho vegetable merchant" is a possible role doesn't really help.
Pippy all possible roles are in the 2nd (3rd?) post so you can see which role/affiliation combinations are possible
So I was supposed to read 140 meaningless roles and keep them all in my head?
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vote: Paws
Sorry, I had been reading that in some mafia games, mafia is more akin to how we use wolf/werewolf on this site usually, and wolf or werewolf is a faction that is less like mafia or our typical SDN ww/wolf, and actually has some werewolf abilities like biting/conversion, susceptibility to silver or other special werewolf mythology themed flavor.
I am aware that wolf means werewolf on SDN and other games called WW. But I read in multiball, werewolf tends to be different.
Hmm... That's fair. I've not played with Paws before so I don't have her meta handy. Her posts, regardless of what Pippy thinks of them, do kind of feel icky to me though and I feel okay on this vote.
Meh. The reasoning doesn't feel all that strong to me.
It's okay, I'm almost entirely mentally checked out of the mechanics discussions because I straight up don't understand them
I still don't understand why werewolves can't be lovers, but town/village and mafia can. Is it just one of those just because things?
I looked at the vote tally at the 3 I mentioned as top suspects, and then looked at who was on who. That's how I selected my vote on paws.
You couldn't be bothered to check if there was another lover in the list of available roles?
Is there a second role that states both lover and werewolf
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT WAS HOW THIS WORKED
I'm not even caring about it. We zoomed into this all to decide what pippy may or may not have had as a better option to a role that may or may not have different features that she may or may not have known. Like I literally don't care at that point. It's a waste of mental energy.
List any you don't know and I'll respond as best I can.
Off the top of my head:
Wolves are unable to be investigated correctly by seers.
Mafia are unable to be investigated correctly by cops.
Millers are unable to be investigated correctly by cops.
Hirsutes are unable to be investigated correctly be seers.
Wolves cannot be lovers.
Mafia cannot be masons.
I dont think that vote sheet is right cuz I see sun voted for me but it's only just pippy. Does anyone have an up to date vote count
How many times do I have to say I am stupid and didn't/don't understand before people stop bringing that up just to rub it in?
All of them. Literally everything that is not "vanilla townie."
HOW are people supposed to know this.
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he keeps it up to date when he's home, but told us that he was going out for pizza or something.
Is deadline tonight?
No. No special ability from affiliation alone. The mafia and wolves operate exactly as they would in a two faction game (except they may both be attacking at once now). What you see is what you get. The only abilities that matter are the ones listed in the role list. Don't expect anything to happen outside of those.
Okay, give me a second.
I don't know what to tell you. Arguing with Lawpy for years in various deadchats about this has it very ingrained in my head.
Yes, 11 EDT
