Madagascar WWildlife (A Basics Game!) - GAME THREAD

[WildZoo]

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Some initial thoughts on the tallies:

- I think there is a wolf between cubs and meats, but they are probably not wolfing together based on d2 tally, though timing might be important. I can't remember which wagon samac was on before she made the tie. In any case, I'm most interested in flipping one of them today
- more confusion on pippy. She was really pushing for that strog vote earlier on, but then stayed on me yesterday? Again probably need to look at context
- Still can't decide whether or not mkg and cubs are compatible.

 

[Cyndia]

Pippy was really standing out to me yesterday. I’m at work and won’t be able to check in fully till after, but I was mainly waiting to see what happened overnight before voicing this. We’ve had zero indication of roles in this game aside from pippys claim and I just find that hard to believe. I also saw people asking her to share who she watched but didn’t see her respond aside from sharing she watched dubz that one time, did she ever give her list of who and why she chose them from earlier nights? @PippyPony

 

[WildZoo]

Oh I also found it interesting that no one except strog took the bait to yeet pippy yesterday, but true to form, I don't know how to interpret my own reaction test

 

[WildZoo]

wolf lean
- strog - the "starting from d1 close to lynch" really rubs me the wrong way - it seems like a way of creating an excuse for a "random" vote rather than actually contributing. doesn't help that they've mentioned (multiple times) being around/going to give their thoughts on things and then just disappearing.

village lean
- AM - her fight with pippy this am seemed a little odd, but in general seems to be questioning things and trying to gather info for village
- pippy - also trying to gather info for village, claiming watcher/tracker as a pygmy lemur. That being said, if she doesn't produce any useful info and doesn't get night killed, will reconsider - just can't rule out PRs in this game and don't want to risk losing one of the few if there are. Plus I refuse to believe there are no lemurs in this game.
- vis - wasn't a fan of the late timing of the lawpy vote d1, but has been pretty rational/thinking things out, so inclined to give the benefit of the doubt here
- WZ - also seems to be talking things out, trying to gather info and suss out wolves

not sure
- Bob - originally it seemed like they were dropping votes and posting a lot without clarifying rationale/etc., but they've seemed to be contributing more
- samac - seeming more sketchy after yesterday's kerfuffle to me. claims vanillager but that's an easy claim to make; strange to me that they're acting like it'd be ridiculous to verify. that being said, they did claim a role (common or tailless tenrec) that seems feasible, which is the only reason I'm putting them here and not in the "wolfy" category.
- vmh - their response to vis's lawpy vote d1 was odd, but yesterday made me feel a tiny bit better about them with not voting pippy to self prez given risk of losing PR. I would have slotted them firmly in wolf category if they were claiming seer but pulled that move, though, but they're not.
- cray - didn't have the greatest read on mayo, and tbh their spattering of posts last night didn't really give me much either way on them
- genny - literally have no real read either way because they've been so inactive. may be replaced/modkilled/etc. due to poor activity. seems to be on a lot of wolf-lists for others.

Noting diff's last reads list.

 

[WildZoo]

yeet cubs

Still reading the things I missed yesterday but gotta run, should be back a few hours before close

 

[differentiating]

*****
Boo wolves! Though I guess this’ll at least force me to focus more on packing for my upcoming move when home.

Good luck, villagers!!!
*******

 

[supershorty]

Handeha Any Maramokotro Izahay Day 4 Tally

Cyndia (1) - cubs
mkg (1) - Vissy
cubs (1) - Dubz

3/10 voting
Missing: plenty

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~10.5 hours).

 

[PippyPony]

I can't decide how to feel about being alive haha

I'm happy because now my personal stuff is mostly resolved and I can actually play, but I also hate being used as wolf bait

 

[PippyPony]

@Cyndia @Animal Midwife @WildZoo

I watched AM night before last. Nothing of interest to report, although caveat there that my results haven't made it totally clear if there's any interference -- it's worded just like "you didn't see anything," not like "you successfully watched xyz and no one visited."

I'm happy to share targets on a slight delay, for various reasons am not psyched about sharing the most recent ones.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yeet mkg

Still am interested in seeing pressure on meats and cubs as well.

 

[PippyPony]

Pippy was really standing out to me yesterday. I’m at work and won’t be able to check in fully till after, but I was mainly waiting to see what happened overnight before voicing this. We’ve had zero indication of roles in this game aside from pippys claim and I just find that hard to believe. I also saw people asking her to share who she watched but didn’t see her respond aside from sharing she watched dubz that one time, did she ever give her list of who and why she chose them from earlier nights? @PippyPony

There were only two targets at the time of that whole discussion -- the one I shared (Dubz) and the one I didn't want to yet (AM). We're only on D4 now. I also already explained the reasoning for why I chose Dubz so I'm not a fan of you ignoring what I said about it while throwing shade in my direction.

 

[WildZoo]

@Cyndia @Animal Midwife @WildZoo

I watched AM night before last. Nothing of interest to report, although caveat there that my results haven't made it totally clear if there's any interference -- it's worded just like "you didn't see anything," not like "you successfully watched xyz and no one visited."

I'm happy to share targets on a slight delay, for various reasons am not psyched about sharing the most recent ones.

I really don't understand your reasoning tbh. What if you die before you get to share?

 

[cubsrule4e]

Yeet mkg

Still am interested in seeing pressure on meats and cubs as well.

Did you get your eyebrows done as well??

 

[PippyPony]

Dubz and AM are either both wolves or both villagers based on my interpretation of some things said yesterday, and given that Strog flipped wolf, I'm moving them both up into village land.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Did you get your eyebrows done as well??

They've been like that for some months now.

 

[WildZoo]

AM is a good watching choice, I still don't think I was though. I wasn't as active as usual, and I had just led a vote on a villager. Not exactly a top priority wolf kill.

 

[PippyPony]

I really don't understand your reasoning tbh. What if you die before you get to share?

How do you expect that to help you? It's not like I saw someone kill someone and am purposefully holding that back for multiple days. All it means is that the person wasn't the kill target.

 

[WildZoo]

How do you expect that to help you? It's not like I saw someone kill someone and am purposefully holding that back for multiple days. All it means is that the person wasn't the kill target.

It helps me think about your thought process. Meanwhile, I really cannot figure out why you would be disinclined to share.

 

[PippyPony]

AM is a good watching choice, I still don't think I was though. I wasn't as active as usual, and I had just led a vote on a villager. Not exactly a top priority wolf kill.

Sorry my target picking process isn't up to your standards. I've been really distracted these past couple of days and I'm doing my best.

 

[supershorty]

Handeha Any Maramokotro Izahay Day 4 Tally

Cyndia (1) - cubs
mkg (2) - Vissy, AM
cubs (1) - Dubz

4/10 voting
Missing: over half

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~9.25 hours).

 

[PippyPony]

It helps me think about your thought process. Meanwhile, I really cannot figure out why you would be disinclined to share.

You said it yourself yesterday, and that's all I'm going to discuss about it. Maybe you should trust that I know more about my role than you do.

 

[WildZoo]

Usually I expect outted PRs who could die any night to be as forthcoming as possible, and I just am not understanding why you're not

 

[WildZoo]

You said it yourself yesterday, and that's all I'm going to discuss about it. Maybe you should trust that I know more about my role than you do.

Pip, I am 80% convinced you're a wolf, so no I don't trust anything you're saying about it lol

 

[Cyndia]

There were only two targets at the time of that whole discussion -- the one I shared (Dubz) and the one I didn't want to yet (AM). We're only on D4 now. I also already explained the reasoning for why I chose Dubz so I'm not a fan of you ignoring what I said about it while throwing shade in my direction.

I saw your reasoning on dubz, my wording was unclear but I meant your choices and reasoning for the other nights.

And I’m fine with a delay in sharing, I thought in my mad scramble to catch up for subbing that there had been more nights, so I was bothered that you only shared one set and were so resistant when AM and dubz and samac had asked about your other results. Less bothered now that I realize we’ve only had 3 night cycles. But what was your reasoning on choosing AM at that time, and how do you feel about her now?

 

[PippyPony]

Pip, I am 80% convinced you're a wolf, so no I don't trust anything you're saying about it lol

Maybe time for reaction test 2.0 😛

 

[WildZoo]

Sorry my target picking process isn't up to your standards. I've been really distracted these past couple of days and I'm doing my best.

Half the roster has been busy/distracted, that doesn't tell me anything about your affiliation. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just saying that even just looking at a final tally would have indicated that I probably wasn't going to be killed that night. If you're village I apologize, but... it's getting to the point where I don't really think you are.

 

[Animal Midwife]

@PippyPony What was that thing meats said two cycles ago that you mentioned a wolf wouldn't have said? And how are you reading me/Bob?

 

[PippyPony]

I saw your reasoning on dubz, my wording was unclear but I meant your choices and reasoning for the other nights.

And I’m fine with a delay in sharing, I thought in my mad scramble to catch up for subbing that there had been more nights, so I was bothered that you only shared one set and were so resistant when AM and dubz and samac had asked about your other results. Less bothered now that I realize we’ve only had 3 night cycles. But what was your reasoning on choosing AM at that time, and how do you feel about her now?

This has been a quiet game and AM was pushing her wolf reads reasonably vocally and generating most of the discussion. I also thought wolves might stay away from the 3 remaining tied people, especially if there was a wolf in the mix there

 

[WildZoo]

I'll also mention that in all cases in recent memory where zenge has had a strong wolf read and I've disagreed, I have been wrong, so that is definitely factoring in for me here

 

[PippyPony]

@PippyPony What was that thing meats said two cycles ago that you mentioned a wolf wouldn't have said?

That she was willing to let herself die over me. I just don't think that's something a wolf says.

Andndndndndnd how are you reading me/Bob?

I don't know why my quotes keep doing that; I'm not fixing it.

V/v right now but I've only skimmed parts of yesterday. Yesterday when I said I was intrigued, it was because he was more chatty than usual

 

[PippyPony]

I'll also mention that in all cases in recent memory where zenge has had a strong wolf read and I've disagreed, I have been wrong, so that is definitely factoring in for me here

First time for everything I guess

 

[WildZoo]

First time for everything I guess

Why did you stay on me yesterday after pushing strog on prior days?

 

[Animal Midwife]

That she was willing to let herself die over me. I just don't think that's something a wolf says.

Even if involves you not being a contender at all for many of the final minutes?

 

[PippyPony]

Why did you stay on me yesterday after pushing strog on prior days?

Because I had like 100 logins hacked including my bank accounts and kinda sorta spent my available computer time on that instead of WW. Probably would have swapped if I had been here, and definitely would have found a way to be here if I was wolfing.

 

[PippyPony]

Even if involves you not being a contender at all for many of the final minutes?

I don't know what this means

 

[Animal Midwife]

I don't know what this means

She wouldn't have been able to self-prez on you even if she needed to.

 

[PippyPony]

She wouldn't have been able to self-prez on you even if she needed to.

Oh. Maybe I need to go back and re-read the timing of all of that then. It felt pretty simultaneous to when I was in the lead, but I was in the middle of defending. Need to read again anyways now that a wolf has flipped

 

[cubsrule4e]

Getting around to some VCA between patients. I dont really care for mayola's voting pattern with one-offs, then the last vote on strog. I was agreeing with diff that theres gotta be a wolf on that vote, and its most likely one of the last 3. Still like cyndia for that, but certainly could be either of the other two. Still village siding mayola overall.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Pippy was really standing out to me yesterday. I’m at work and won’t be able to check in fully till after, but I was mainly waiting to see what happened overnight before voicing this. We’ve had zero indication of roles in this game aside from pippys claim and I just find that hard to believe. I also saw people asking her to share who she watched but didn’t see her respond aside from sharing she watched dubz that one time, did she ever give her list of who and why she chose them from earlier nights? @PippyPony

I believe there were two other soft claims. I won't out them b/c they are both still around and shouldn't explain further. No other results posted that I caught from Pippy

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Oh I also found it interesting that no one except strog took the bait to yeet pippy yesterday, but true to form, I don't know how to interpret my own reaction test

That is interesting but can't help you out with that info. I don't like switching votes willy nilly, but have to break with that at some point. Thankfully I haven't seen compelling reason to switch.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Noting diff's last reads list.

I liked diff's reads and content. But seeing them in this presentation it seems to help more with a villager bloc but not for wolf hunting.

 

[mkg323]

Some initial thoughts on the tallies:

- I think there is a wolf between cubs and meats, but they are probably not wolfing together based on d2 tally, though timing might be important. I can't remember which wagon samac was on before she made the tie. In any case, I'm most interested in flipping one of them today
- more confusion on pippy. She was really pushing for that strog vote earlier on, but then stayed on me yesterday? Again probably need to look at context
- Still can't decide whether or not mkg and cubs are compatible.

I mean they did end up together, so I wouldn't rule out w/w for cubs/meats.

heres all the waffles from D2 in order (subs names added), all less than 2 minutes to vote close

Spoiler: votes

**** me
Unyeet pippy

Andao Hianika Tendrombohitra Day 2 Tally

Vissy (1) - Vis
Stroganoff (1) - AM
samac/cyndia (2) - genny/cubs, Strog
Pippy (1) - Zenge
vmh (3) - Vissy, Pippy, diff
Lawpy (1) - Bob
genny/cubs (2) - Dubz, mkg
mkg () -
Zenge (2) - mayo/cray, Lawpy

@vetmedhead , you are in the lead!
14/14 voting
Missing: no one

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~2 minutes)

all the votes below are postmarked 8:59

look I'm like half a bottle of wine deep on a sunday I'm doin my best here


UNYEET GENNY/cubs
YEET ZENGE

bc I swear to GOD IF I'VE BEEN POCKETED AGAIN BY YOU I'M EGGING YOU HOUSE IN MINECRAFT

let’s find out
Unyeet pippy
Yeet Genny/cubs

Yeet vmh

unyeet vmh yeet genny/cubs

at this point the main wagons are:
samac/cyndia (2) - genny/cubs, Strog
vmh (3) - Vissy, Pippy, diff
genny/cubs (3) - Dubz, Zenge, Samac/cyndia
Zenge (3) - mayo/cray, Lawpy, mkg

invite vissy, vote samac/cyndia

then meats makes it a four way tie

Andao Hianika Tendrombohitra Day 2 FINAL Tally

Vissy () -
Stroganoff (1) - AM
samac (3) - genny, Strog, vmh
Pippy () -
vmh (3) - Vissy, Pippy, diff
Lawpy (1) - Bob
genny (3) - Dubz, Zenge, samac
mkg () -
Zenge (3) - mayo, Lawpy, mkg



14/14 voting
Missing: no one

CHECK YO' VOTES

 

[BobLoblaw78]

yeet cubs

Still reading the things I missed yesterday but gotta run, should be back a few hours before close

Genny seemed sus to most b/c lack of activity to everyone (I surmise). Cubs input has been good but having doubts not knowing his play and the confusion of midgame sub. Cubs bringing up old Samac sus is valid, but cloudy now that she has been subbed with cindy. With this mess, I am going to look at VA and possibility of bussing on Strog since he had been a likely target for so long. My only problem is that everyone acts like bussing is bad in the same way as voting off the prior mod early is bad. No?

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Did you get your eyebrows done as well??

eyeliner tattoo for the working girl who doesn't have time to put on makeup

(PS- I heard that ppl pay 3-600 and it takes like 10 min for that. Quick math tells me that they are making way more than me!)

 

[mkg323]

Well I dont have a PhD in Wagonomics, but maybe someone else could pull something from this, its all the tallies from D1, where the strog vote died and turned into Alley's misyeet and a quickly building Lawpy wagon.

Spoiler

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge (2) - AM, April
AM (1) - mayo
April (1) - Pippy
Vissy (2) - Lawpy, alley
Stroganoff (1) - Vissy

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~10 hours)

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge (3) - AM, April, Dubz
AM (1) - mayo
April (1) - Pippy
Vissy (2) - Lawpy, alley
Stroganoff (1) - Vissy

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~8 hours 25 minutes)

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge (2) - AM, April
AM (1) - mayo
April (1) - Pippy
Vissy (2) - Lawpy, alley
Stroganoff (1) - Vissy
mayo (1) - mkg
alley (1) - Dubz

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~5.5 hours)

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge (2) - AM, April
AM (1) - mayo
April (1) - Pippy
Vissy (2) - Lawpy, alley
Stroganoff (1) - Vissy
mayo (1) - mkg
alley (1) - Dubz
mkg (1) - differentiating

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (just under 5 hours)

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge (2) - AM, April
AM (1) - mayo
April (1) - Pippy
Vissy (2) - Lawpy, alley
Stroganoff (1) - Vissy
mayo (1) - mkg
alley (1) - Dubz
mkg (1) - differentiating
differentiating (1) - samac

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~4 hours, 40 minutes)

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge (2) - AM, April
AM (1) - mayo
April (1) - Pippy
Vissy (1) - Lawpy
Stroganoff (1) - Vissy
mayo (1) - mkg
alley (1) - Dubz
mkg (1) - differentiating
differentiating (1) - samac
samac (1) - Zenge

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~3.5 hours)

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge (2) - AM, April
AM (1) - mayo
April (1) - Pippy
Vissy (1) - Lawpy
Stroganoff (1) - Vissy
mayo (1) - mkg
alley (2) - Dubz, samac
mkg (1) - differentiating
differentiating () -
samac (2) - Zenge, alley

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~2.5 hours)

Y'all are playing with fire between making 3 way ties or not showing up.

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge (2) - AM, April
AM (1) - mayo
April () -
Vissy (1) - Lawpy
Stroganoff (1) - Vissy
mayo (1) - mkg
alley (3) - Dubz, samac, Pippy
mkg (1) - differentiating
differentiating () -
samac (2) - Zenge, alley

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~2 hours)

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge (1) - April
AM (1) - mayo
April () -
Vissy (1) - Lawpy
Stroganoff (2) - Vissy, AM
mayo (1) - mkg
alley (2) - Dubz, samac
mkg (1) - differentiating
differentiating () -
samac (2) - Zenge, alley

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~2 hours)

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge (1) - April
AM (1) - mayo
April () -
Vissy (1) - Lawpy
Stroganoff (3) - Vissy, AM, alley
mayo (1) - mkg
alley (2) - Dubz, samac
mkg () -
differentiating () -
samac (1) - Zenge
Lawpy (1) - differentiating

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~1.5 hours)

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge (1) - April
AM (1) - mayo
April () -
Vissy (1) - Lawpy
Stroganoff (4) - Vissy, AM, alley, Pippy
mayo (1) - mkg
alley (2) - Dubz, samac
mkg () -
differentiating () -
samac (1) - Zenge
Lawpy (1) - differentiating

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~1 hour)

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge () -
AM (1) - mayo
April () -
Vissy (1) - Lawpy
Stroganoff (4) - Vissy, AM, alley, Pippy
mayo (1) - mkg
alley (3) - Dubz, samac, April
mkg () -
differentiating () -
samac () -
Lawpy (1) - differentiating
Pippy (1) - Zenge

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~45 minutes)

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge () -
AM (1) - mayo
April () -
Vissy () -
Stroganoff (4) - Vissy, AM, alley, Pippy
mayo (1) - mkg
alley (3) - Dubz, samac, April
mkg (1) - Lawpy
differentiating () -
samac (1) - genny
Lawpy (1) - differentiating
Pippy (1) - Zenge

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~40 minutes)

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge () -
AM (1) - mayo
April () -
Vissy () -
Stroganoff (4) - Vissy, AM, alley, Pippy
mayo () -
alley (4) - Dubz, samac, April, mkg
mkg (1) - Lawpy
differentiating () -
samac (1) - genny
Lawpy (1) - differentiating
Pippy (1) - Zenge

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~30 minutes)

Oh boy, a tie!

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge () -
AM (1) - mayo
April () -
Vissy () -
Stroganoff (4) - Vissy, AM, alley, Pippy
mayo () -
alley (5) - Dubz, samac, April, mkg, Strog
mkg (2) - Lawpy, Bob
differentiating () -
samac (1) - genny
Lawpy (2) - differentiating, vmh
Pippy (1) - Zenge

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~14 minutes)

- strog and vmh place their first votes here

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge () -
AM (1) - mayo
April () -
Vissy () -
Stroganoff (3) - AM, alley, Pippy
mayo () -
alley (5) - Dubz, samac, April, mkg, Strog
mkg (2) - Lawpy, Bob
differentiating () -
samac (1) - genny
Lawpy (3) - differentiating, vmh, Vissy
Pippy (1) - Zenge

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~1 minute)

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet FINAL Tally

Zenge () -
AM (1) - mayo
April () -
Vissy () -
Stroganoff (3) - AM, alley, Pippy
mayo () -
alley (6) - Dubz, samac, April, mkg, Strog, Lawpy
mkg (1) - Bob
differentiating () -
samac (1) - genny
Lawpy (3) - differentiating, vmh, Vissy
Pippy (1) - Zenge

CHECK YO' VOTES.

The more I look at the lawpy wagon the less I like it, Strog self prezzed onto Alley, and Vissy's weird move onto Lawpy gave Alley the lead by 2 votes, effectively protecting him from any possible swaps that could cause a tie.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

They've been like that for some months now.

You look like you are mad that he asked. (get it.... b/c they are tattoo'd that way...b/c they are pointy....b/c they can't change....get it)

 

[Animal Midwife]

Genny seemed sus to most b/c lack of activity to everyone (I surmise). Cubs input has been good but having doubts not knowing his play and the confusion of midgame sub. Cubs bringing up old Samac sus is valid, but cloudy now that she has been subbed with cindy. With this mess, I am going to look at VA and possibility of bussing on Strog since he had been a likely target for so long. My only problem is that everyone acts like bussing is bad in the same way as voting off the prior mod early is bad. No?

No, there's nothing distasteful about bussing (especially if a packmate is dying anyway). I just personally am not into the style if it can be avoided.

 

[Viscernable]

Dubz and AM are either both wolves or both villagers based on my interpretation of some things said yesterday, and given that Strog flipped wolf, I'm moving them both up into village land.

What things?

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Handeha Any Maramokotro Izahay Day 4 Tally

Cyndia (1) - cubs
mkg (2) - Vissy, AM
cubs (1) - Dubz

4/10 voting
Missing: over half

Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~9.25 hours).

I am not getting the mkg vote now that they are more active but have like visc input. I am not sure what to make of mkg supporting AM, then AM voting mkg. Is that to pocket and to get AM to change vote. Or is this manufactured? It would also really help to have an answer to bussing etiquette. Either AM was breaking etiquette which doesn't seem likely, it is okay to bus or AM village. I need to let that stew some. I just don't see how you could pick wolf 3 days in a row off the little info on D1 (and I can't see packmates be cool with it).

On strog: he said repeatedly he was not wolf??? Did he truly not know he was wolf? He seemed confused on the days it was going on, the impending vote coming, posting past close, etc. I feel like there was a major disconnect going on.

 

[Viscernable]

No, there's nothing distasteful about bussing (especially if a packmate is dying anyway). I just personally am not into the style if it can be avoided.

Ngl i was burnt out enough to skip the next game over how the “ew bussing” reactions after basics were so strong it felt like people were basically dismissing the wolf win as being comparable to cheating. Ended up saving me from ggoats so thank you everyone