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Handeha Any Maramokotro Izahay Day 4 Tally

Cyndia (2) - cubs, Pippy
mkg (3) - Vissy, AM, meats
cubs (2) - mkg, Cyndia
Pippy (1) - Dubz

@mkg323, you are in the lead!
8/10 voting
Missing: @BobLoblaw78, @Crayola227

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Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~3 hours).
 
mkg323 said:
OK so something was seriously bugging me looking back at tallies, and its from D3, when strog finally got yeeted.



So Cray hops on the AM wagon, making it strog 4, AM 3.


So here's what I dont get. Strog backtracks on his statements about AM, then hops onto Pippy, who has no votes. Why would a wolf do this? it effectively ended the only viable counterwagon. Like, if theres an option to continue why not take it? The only way that this makes sense is that the pack decided to bus Strog, and he placed a vote on packmate AM for WIFOM/make her look good as she was driving the bus, just like what LIS did in England with bussing Sunny. AM was on his vote every day, but never really gave an explanation at the time as to why, it was like he just got picked randomly. So when the wagon on AM actually started to pick up, he hopped off in order to protect her. Not sure if this would be within her meta, but I wouldnt be surprised if it was.
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Absolutely not. She was on his vote from d1. If AM is a wolf I will literally retire from WW.
 
mkg323 said:
Mainly things from genny, I will say I liked your posts when you came in but some things about Genny's voting and your continued push on Samac/Cyndia is interesting, as your both in my POE but not really compatible, so I'm gonna have to go back and do some more digging.



ok so 1. can you explain your vote and why its wrong 2. be the change you wish to see in the world, and help apply pressure to meats and cubs
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As pippy noted above, I cant explain why or change how the previous player did things or voted. Ive also given pretty solid reasoning on why Im interested in samacyndia, and how last night played out has thusly adjusted my views on others. Villager gon' village.
 
PippyPony said:
Not a wolf, but also can't be too mad about being used as wolf fodder since I've been pretty absent so far, and also would like to die before next weekend lol.

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Kinda crummy move to push a vote on two absentee villagers in a row, though. Please look at Strog and Zenge when I flip village, because this is the second day in a row they've moved the vote away from Strog and onto me.
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I feel uneasy about pippy saying her flipping village indicates strog and/or z are wolfing. Setting up if she flips wolf to scare people off the strog vote? And if wolves were planning to kill z at this point then it’s not like mentioning him along with strog would edge a villager out of the potential miselim pool
 
Handeha Any Maramokotro Izahay Day 4 Tally

Cyndia (2) - cubs, Pippy
mkg (3) - Vissy, AM, meats
cubs (1) - Cyndia
Pippy (1) - Dubz
meats (1) - mkg

@mkg323, you are in the lead!
8/10 voting
Missing: @BobLoblaw78, @Crayola227

Lemurs GIFs | Tenor



Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~2 hours).
 
WildZoo said:
I'll also mention that in all cases in recent memory where zenge has had a strong wolf read and I've disagreed, I have been wrong, so that is definitely factoring in for me here
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Note to self to look back at z’s reads before he was killed and see if they were at the point of being the best they would probably be for a dubz/strog pack.
 
This is mostly for others' benefit, I don't expect pippy to admit she's a wolf 😛 please read, because I think it's important.

PippyPony said:
@WildZoo you think I bussed someone who hadn't played in a long time? Yikes.

I'm going out to dinner; I suggest looking for actual wolves but since I assume I was left alive for exactly this, whatever.
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I think you did exactly what you accused me of doing with my zenge vote d1

PippyPony said:
I also didn't like Dubz's joke vote for you and could easily see that as a w/w move. Fellow wolf gets some D1 votes, she adds to the pile to scare people off, easy way out later by saying "oh but mine was a joke and everyone who thinks otherwise is wolfy"
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Your d1 vote was 4th on strog, so in the bussing zone, and you'd just reminded everyone he hadn't played in a long time...might have been hoping for others to back off for that reason. And then when questioned about the change of heart, turned around and said I was defending him, when in reality I was questioning you. Interesting.

And...it kinda worked, didn't it? People don't love voting for absent players d1, especially if they haven't played in a while. So you were well-positioned if he did end up going down, but turns out you were the last vote he got that day, and one vote moved off.

Yeah you gave lip service to pushing him d2, but that's not where you ended up. Nor were you there d3.

So...I don't think you get any cred for all that.
 
Viscernable said:
Note to self to look back at z’s reads before he was killed and see if they were at the point of being the best they would probably be for a dubz/strog pack.
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Z wasn't killed...he died in the 4 way tie
 
mkg323 said:
OK so something was seriously bugging me looking back at tallies, and its from D3, when strog finally got yeeted.



So Cray hops on the AM wagon, making it strog 4, AM 3.


So here's what I dont get. Strog backtracks on his statements about AM, then hops onto Pippy, who has no votes. Why would a wolf do this? it effectively ended the only viable counterwagon. Like, if theres an option to continue why not take it? The only way that this makes sense is that the pack decided to bus Strog, and he placed a vote on packmate AM for WIFOM/make her look good as she was driving the bus, just like what LIS did in England with bussing Sunny. AM was on his vote every day, but never really gave an explanation at the time as to why, it was like he just got picked randomly. So when the wagon on AM actually started to pick up, he hopped off in order to protect her. Not sure if this would be within her meta, but I wouldnt be surprised if it was.
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This. I find it hard to believe that anyone can pick a wolf 3 days in a row with the limited info on strogs. Plus, if strogs meta was erratic, chaos- he nailed it. I couldn't find rhyme or reason to his votes or his lack of activity. I would've voted him or anyone that was essentially inactive, but that was not the reason that anyone gave. And I'm still surprised he flipped. This makes a lot of sense......but I have a hard time believing something this convoluted ever made sense in a wolfpack strategy session. It sounds like tinfoiling to the extreme. I think AM is less wolfy than others at this point esp and can be moved to the backburner.

Plus, I feel like you might be pocketing me....
 
WildZoo said:
Beep beep
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How likely do you feel hard bussing (as in bussing that’s likely to actually result in a wolf flipping over a villager) is today after wolves just lost strog? I feel like the poe and vote distribution is wide enough they would probably avoid it, unless cyndia, meats, and mkg are all wolves.
 
Viscernable said:
How likely do you feel hard bussing (as in bussing that’s likely to actually result in a wolf flipping over a villager) is today after wolves just lost strog? I feel like the poe and vote distribution is wide enough they would probably avoid it, unless cyndia, meats, and mkg are all wolves.
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Well the day isn't over yet
 
Viscernable said:
I’m also not feeling mkg/meats as w/w because of the thing with strog, meats, and mkg being the only votes on samac d2. Not impossible but unlikely. I think the wolf between them is mkg.
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Mkg wasn't on samac, genny was, right?
 
Animal Midwife said:
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Too funny! Imma gonna steal that.

Seriously. He seemed to legitimately think several things that were just not so including saying he wasn't wolf way past mod post saying he was wolf. So I was worried for him or he was the world's biggest troll or he is like one of those mimes that goes to imaginary home, sleeps in imaginary bed and refuses to break character no matter what. But you know him better I assume.
 
WildZoo said:
Dang, the one time sheeping AM on d1 would have been a good idea, and I didn't do it

Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet FINAL Tally

Zenge () -
AM (1) - mayo (cray)
April () -
Vissy () -
Stroganoff (3) - AM, alley, Pippy
mayo () -
alley (6) - Dubz, samac (cyndia), April, mkg, Strog, Lawpy
mkg (1) - Bob
differentiating () -
samac (cyndia) (1) - genny (cubs)
Lawpy (3) - differentiating, vmh, Vissy
Pippy (1) - Zenge


Andao Hianika Tendrombohitra Day 2 FINAL Tally

Vissy () -
Stroganoff (1) - AM
samac (cyndia) (3) - genny (cubs), Strog, vmh
Pippy () -
vmh (3) - Vissy, Pippy, diff
Lawpy (1) - Bob
genny (cubs) (3) - Dubz, Zenge, samac (cyndia)
mkg () -
Zenge (3) - mayo (cray), Lawpy, mkg


Ala Mando, Tsingy, Tendrombohitra, Vatohara Day 3 FINAL Tally

genny (cubs) (1) - mkg
Stroganoff (5) - AM, Viscernable, meats, samac (cyndia), Cray
mkg (1) - diff
Pippy (1) - Stroganoff
DubZ (1) - Pippy
AM (1) - Bob
meats (1) - Dubz


Missing: genny (cubs)
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@Viscernable mkg was on zenge (which was a ****ing weird vote btw)
 
PippyPony said:
That she was willing to let herself die over me. I just don't think that's something a wolf says.

I don't know why my quotes keep doing that; I'm not fixing it.

V/v right now but I've only skimmed parts of yesterday. Yesterday when I said I was intrigued, it was because he was more chatty than usual
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Wolves will totally say stuff like that lol
 
Viscernable said:
I’m also not feeling mkg/meats as w/w because of the thing with strog, meats, and mkg being the only votes on samac d2. Not impossible but unlikely. I think the wolf between them is mkg.
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I've never voted for samac, so if thats your big reason for voting me I suggest you recheck the tallies and move
 
WildZoo said:
Mkg wasn't on samac, genny was, right?
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Please ignore my memory. It was genny/meats/strog i had mentally marked as not w/w/w for that. Meats/mkg I think I have mentally marked as not w/w because of meats pushing her, with the same reasoning of I think it’s a poor time to bus atm. Individually they are the two players I think are most sus but not likely together.
 
vetmedhead said:
I'm interested why the above makes you feel better about mkg, if anything the timing of their own alley vote looks really bad given the state of the strog wagon at the time. Visc doesn't look great either for reasons you mentioned above but of the two I think mkg has had overall sketchier play

Vote mkg
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I really like mkg reasons and wolf hunting. I am not sure about the alley vote. I forgot and will refresh my memory. I disagree on visc, but need to look at compatability some to see if it helps (and get used to using it).

I wonder if AM voting mkg could be other bus or true wolf hunting. I could see a flip either way being helpful on being more clear about AM.
 
cubsrule4e said:
Getting around to some VCA between patients. I dont really care for mayola's voting pattern with one-offs, then the last vote on strog. I was agreeing with diff that theres gotta be a wolf on that vote, and its most likely one of the last 3. Still like cyndia for that, but certainly could be either of the other two. Still village siding mayola overall.
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Eh when I'm village I love to sheep village on leading wagons last minute, because I want the VCA cred if the person about to flip anyway is wolf, and I'm less concerned about optics. I also defended the Strog vote as not being wolfy and had an original thought supporting it (why I thought people might have expected see more from him). Wolfy me is much more careful about the appearance of bussing and puts votes in earlier. It's a bunch of WIFOM I know but it is an actual pattern of mine. It's more 50/50 if I decide to hop on the bus if I'm wolf.
 
mkg323 said:
I've never voted for samac, so if thats your big reason for voting me I suggest you recheck the tallies and move
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No that is based off tone in some posts (though still need to fully consider your posts from today) and the timing of your alley vote D1
 
vetmedhead said:
I'm interested why the above makes you feel better about mkg, if anything the timing of their own alley vote looks really bad given the state of the strog wagon at the time. Visc doesn't look great either for reasons you mentioned above but of the two I think mkg has had overall sketchier play

Vote mkg
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Looking at visc, I think the move was to self prez so a last swing vote to them would not create a tie
 
Viscernable said:
Please ignore my memory. It was genny/meats/strog i had mentally marked as not w/w/w for that. Meats/mkg I think I have mentally marked as not w/w because of meats pushing her, with the same reasoning of I think it’s a poor time to bus atm. Individually they are the two players I think are most sus but not likely together.
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Who would you put in mkg's pack then? Or meats'?
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Genny seemed sus to most b/c lack of activity to everyone (I surmise). Cubs input has been good but having doubts not knowing his play and the confusion of midgame sub. Cubs bringing up old Samac sus is valid, but cloudy now that she has been subbed with cindy. With this mess, I am going to look at VA and possibility of bussing on Strog since he had been a likely target for so long. My only problem is that everyone acts like bussing is bad in the same way as voting off the prior mod early is bad. No?
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No, one is more a matter of conventionn and politeness, the other, is a totally valid wolf strategy move that a pack should do whenever they see it as most fit for their win condition, it gets bemoaned because it makes VCA a less useful tool for wolf hunting villagers, and wolves often don't like it for reasons you might expect (they don't want to help kill one of their own and make end game take longer to get to, they don't want to get sus for bussing, it can affect how they are analyzed in future games as a villager on a flipped wolf).
 
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Viscernable said:
Ngl i was burnt out enough to skip the next game over how the “ew bussing” reactions after basics were so strong it felt like people were basically dismissing the wolf win as being comparable to cheating. Ended up saving me from ggoats so thank you everyone
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For the record I loved what you guys did and my reaction was really "Eww VCA" because that was why I didn't vote for 2 players I otherwise sussed from my god, post analysis.
 
PippyPony said:
I also feel like there is probably at least one wolf on the board right now with how this is crawling. Maybe 2 on there given Cyndia's hesitation about putting a stake in the ground.
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I literally just subbed in and am trying to put in some work to make the right call. This just feels like you’re reaching now. I DID put a vote out, and it tied up the other two because I wanted to see what would happen after that, and it was also after looking at d2 tally histories and I felt fine with starting with Cubs from that. So what hesitation are you seeing, and how are you making that into two wolves on the board?
 
mkg323 said:
OK so something was seriously bugging me looking back at tallies, and its from D3, when strog finally got yeeted.



So Cray hops on the AM wagon, making it strog 4, AM 3.


So here's what I dont get. Strog backtracks on his statements about AM, then hops onto Pippy, who has no votes. Why would a wolf do this? it effectively ended the only viable counterwagon. Like, if theres an option to continue why not take it? The only way that this makes sense is that the pack decided to bus Strog, and he placed a vote on packmate AM for WIFOM/make her look good as she was driving the bus, just like what LIS did in England with bussing Sunny. AM was on his vote every day, but never really gave an explanation at the time as to why, it was like he just got picked randomly. So when the wagon on AM actually started to pick up, he hopped off in order to protect her. Not sure if this would be within her meta, but I wouldnt be surprised if it was.
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Totally within AM's village meta to stick stubbornly with a vote she's given very little reasoning for. I can see the strategy in doing so. If she's onto something, watching the wolves try to deal with such a thing can be informative. If she's wrong, statement is still true.
 
mkg323 said:
I mean hindsight is 20/20. Do I wish I stayed on the Genny vote? yes. waffles were flying, it is what it is. There have been waffle wagons everyday, Lawpy D1, Zenge D2, and then AM D3
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Yeah I just still don't really get why you swapped to zenge

But also I just realized I didn't finish reading yesterday, whoops
 
Viscernable said:
Oh no one actually said it was, it was just that the reaction to our win was basically “oh. We didn’t catch the wolves despite them doing a **** job at sounding village just because they resorted to bussing. I prefer not to bus, personally, wins that way are much more rewarding/challenging”. Definitely meant with no moral judgement (I assume) and just as explaining personal wolfing philosophy, but it just felt like the win was being dismissed and our actions morally judged at the time lol
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Nah if anything it was masterful and a great move, and I was just very, very disappointed that village (and myself) relied so heavily on VCA.

That goes down in history as a memorable notable wolf win.
 
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