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GoSpursGo said:
As you were writing this, I was attempting to ISO you, but was not able to readily find reads beyond those listed above.

I asked dubZ about her read of our interaction last night.

I am not going to go back and re-read old games though.

I'm not sure if you're just completely tunneled, or if you're power-wolfing me as a D1 misyeet, but I think a reasonable person would see I have expended considerable effort to try and evaluate you and understand your perspective of this game.
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Let's grab the entirety of your progress posts evaluating me.

p#135 - Tells me it's okay for me to be voting seriously but that he's not ready yet. At this point, it is 3.5 hours into D1 and 24 hours into the open thread. Pivots to asking who I'm wolfreading based on bird pictures.

p#156 - Points out that I voted squeeb before she posted, therefore it's not a valid take.

p#179 - Says I did the exact same thing as a wolf but likely do it all the time as a villager as well; votes me but insists there's no omgus (still don't know what in any of our interactions could be construed as me scumreading him in order for an omgus situation to exist)

p#187 - Tells me he just did one of his village tells.

p#196 Says that me telling him to vote seriously isn't a gotcha but also not worth ignoring.

p# I tell him I know he can self-clear so I'll give him breathing room.

p#193 Tells me he would like to be village read without having to reach that level of effort.

p#202 Admits nervousness because he wants to prove he's village to me

p#204 - I invite him to fact check whether or not I do this as a villager.

p#207 - States there is a "0% chance" he will go factcheck. Points out that he "real voted" like I requested so I should satisfied. Claims my wagon won't be hammer so it a good place to sit.

p#216 Curious to know how I'm reading him.

p#232 Asks Dubz about how our interactions looked. Concerned it may be NAI but asks Dubz if anything might be suspicious to her.

p#247 - Dubz confirms it's NAI; Spurs likes the post.

p#273 - Tells SAR to vote or sleep

p#281 - I pull one of several posts he made last game about D1 sleep benefitting scum no matter whether it's a villager or wolf voting it.

p#282 - He agrees it's pro-scum but said he wanted to help out SAR and kitz.

After me asking multiple times why that would help them, or the game thread in general, he says in p#293 that they are the only players who he'd give a pass due being busy followed by #298 saying he would find it suspicious if they slept.

p#311 - Says this is the third game not sleeping on D1 was discussed. Implies I shouldn't talk about it anymore because of that. Says to SAR that he's consistently in his village meta in response to her suspicion. Says he has more than OMGUS reason for voting me after fruit questions. (Again, where was this OMGUS to begin with?)

p#316 - Only has me and squeeb as wolfreads. p#319 Acknowledges we're incompatible.

p#321 - Agrees that sleeping D1 is always antivillage but speaks of the RNG vote again. Says I can't push him over it because SAR was already pushed wrongly over it the previous game. (Notably, where I didn't exist in any shape or form.) So posthumously blaming me for something that I never exonerate him?

p#325 - Wants me to talk about more than him and squeeb.

p#390 - Starts panicking about getting hammer and saying I'm railroading him.

p#428 - Says he's sure I'm scum because I said sleeping is antivillage. In fact, since I haven't voted him yet, that makes me even wolfier. I am, at this time, voting squeeb. His only other existing wolf read.

p#434 - Going on about how I'm powerwolfing because I said sleep is antivillage. Point out that he's put in a lot of effort evaluating me from every angle. (Stay tuned for the categorization of everything to back up this statement.) Said he talked to Dubz so I can't say he didn't try to get outside opinion. I wonder what Dubz did say. Probably in agreement since he's citing it. Maybe I'll double check p#232 again.

p#446 - Confirms he's never been nervous as a villager pushing his any reads before. Only as a wolf.

Now I'm going to separate everything further into tiers.

posts where he village reads me
...

posts where he wolf reads me
p#311
p#316
p#321
p#390
p#428
p#434

posts where he hedges
p#179
p#196
p#207
p#319

posts where he request I village read him for pushing me
p#187
p#193
p#202
p#216

Do you see the problem with the claim that I should be able to find him due to his "considerable effort to try and evaluate [me] and understand [my] perspective of this game"?
 
GoSpursGo said:
Can you talk to me a little bit about village AM and how this tracks?
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Dog with a bone is her MO

I'm just not 100% sure I know how to distinguish it from wolfy with a bone, but the bit of prodding she did at me feels correct
 
Animal Midwife said:
I wonder what Dubz did say.
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I said this at the time

WildZoo said:
I can confidently say you're not w/w 🙂
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WildZoo said:
AM's tone
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WildZoo said:
More it's not generally how I'd expect her to approach a packmate on d1.
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WildZoo said:
The AM/Spurs interaction here is overall pretty similar to D1 of Good PWWace (I think Spurs already mentioned this, and yes I just looked back at that game to confirm) and since the approach itself is NAI for AM I can't comment on their individual affiliations beyond it being unlikely that they're packmates.
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Vote apop

I want it known that I feel kinda gross about this because it's apop, BUT I find the way she's approaching solving so far today to be a pale imitation of last game
 
GoSpursGo said:
Fair enough. I'm still not sure I learned what your read is of dubZ, apop, fruit, kitz, PSV, or SAR
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Dubz is neutral. apop is slightly wolfy. fruits is neutral. PSV is neutral. SAR is neutral.
GoSpursGo said:
I don't find it super useful to talk about percentages in a relatively small game. It's a thin margin.
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You're going to need to learn it. It's the only mech you know is true and have 100% access to. I've been at three for well over an hour and much closer to deadline than you. Do you see any hammers?
 
I want to find you if you're village Spurs but I can't if all your posts are some variation of AM is wolfy because

1. she doesn't like RNG (ironic given that's apparent your deepest fear this game).
2. she doesn't like sleeping D1.
3. she's not voting for me.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Let's grab the entirety of your progress posts evaluating me.

p#135 - Tells me it's okay for me to be voting seriously but that he's not ready yet. At this point, it is 3.5 hours into D1 and 24 hours into the open thread. Pivots to asking who I'm wolfreading based on bird pictures.

p#156 - Points out that I voted squeeb before she posted, therefore it's not a valid take.

p#179 - Says I did the exact same thing as a wolf but likely do it all the time as a villager as well; votes me but insists there's no omgus (still don't know what in any of our interactions could be construed as me scumreading him in order for an omgus situation to exist)

p#187 - Tells me he just did one of his village tells.

p#196 Says that me telling him to vote seriously isn't a gotcha but also not worth ignoring.

p# I tell him I know he can self-clear so I'll give him breathing room.

p#193 Tells me he would like to be village read without having to reach that level of effort.

p#202 Admits nervousness because he wants to prove he's village to me

p#204 - I invite him to fact check whether or not I do this as a villager.

p#207 - States there is a "0% chance" he will go factcheck. Points out that he "real voted" like I requested so I should satisfied. Claims my wagon won't be hammer so it a good place to sit.

p#216 Curious to know how I'm reading him.

p#232 Asks Dubz about how our interactions looked. Concerned it may be NAI but asks Dubz if anything might be suspicious to her.

p#247 - Dubz confirms it's NAI; Spurs likes the post.

p#273 - Tells SAR to vote or sleep

p#281 - I pull one of several posts he made last game about D1 sleep benefitting scum no matter whether it's a villager or wolf voting it.

p#282 - He agrees it's pro-scum but said he wanted to help out SAR and kitz.

After me asking multiple times why that would help them, or the game thread in general, he says in p#293 that they are the only players who he'd give a pass due being busy followed by #298 saying he would find it suspicious if they slept.

p#311 - Says this is the third game not sleeping on D1 was discussed. Implies I shouldn't talk about it anymore because of that. Says to SAR that he's consistently in his village meta in response to her suspicion. Says he has more than OMGUS reason for voting me after fruit questions. (Again, where was this OMGUS to begin with?)

p#316 - Only has me and squeeb as wolfreads. p#319 Acknowledges we're incompatible.

p#321 - Agrees that sleeping D1 is always antivillage but speaks of the RNG vote again. Says I can't push him over it because SAR was already pushed wrongly over it the previous game. (Notably, where I didn't exist in any shape or form.) So posthumously blaming me for something that I never exonerate him?

p#325 - Wants me to talk about more than him and squeeb.

p#390 - Starts panicking about getting hammer and saying I'm railroading him.

p#428 - Says he's sure I'm scum because I said sleeping is antivillage. In fact, since I haven't voted him yet, that makes me even wolfier. I am, at this time, voting squeeb. His only other existing wolf read.

p#434 - Going on about how I'm powerwolfing because I said sleep is antivillage. Point out that he's put in a lot of effort evaluating me from every angle. (Stay tuned for the categorization of everything to back up this statement.) Said he talked to Dubz so I can't say he didn't try to get outside opinion. I wonder what Dubz did say. Probably in agreement since he's citing it. Maybe I'll double check p#232 again.

p#446 - Confirms he's never been nervous as a villager pushing his any reads before. Only as a wolf.

Now I'm going to separate everything further into tiers.

posts where he village reads me
...

posts where he wolf reads me
p#311
p#316
p#321
p#390
p#428
p#434

posts where he hedges
p#179
p#196
p#207
p#319

posts where he request I village read him for pushing me
p#187
p#193
p#202
p#216

Do you see the problem with the claim that I should be able to find him due to his "considerable effort to try and evaluate [me] and understand [my] perspective of this game"?
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I can't bring myself to read this entire case all at once but whew I wouldn't want to be Spurs rn
 
apoptosis09 said:
That feels like a lot of work
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A lot of work to explain your own wolf read? Even as much as I've been triggered by Spurs, he still did that.
apoptosis09 said:
Which question was that?
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I asked about pairings hours ago to make sure those are actually really your reads and not an indifferent dartboard.
 
I think the people I currently feel the most okay about are:
Dubz
Spurs
fruit

...
yeah.
I want to feel okay with SAR but I'm confused by her Spurs vote.
I want to feel okay about genny but I'm confused by her fruit vote.
 
GoSpursGo said:
Step-dad, do you have any insight on AM/me? Does this feel v/v misunderstanding or is someone trying to push a misyeet?
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Yeah probably if I actually read it. I just kind of skimmed it so far. I will try to read once I’m off work.
 
WildZoo said:
(I'm reading it in chunks, I promise. It's very persuasive!)
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I kept it short. I'm not trying to bury Spurs if I don't have to. I want him to see that he's accusing me of literally everything he's already done to me. If he's village, he'll see this as reasonable and maybe we can actually have a conversation about what really has occurred in this game and why his only wolfreads being incompatible is a real problem. If not, I'm going to have to force him over.

I honestly shouldn't be on the board to begin with since I modded the last time (and even that was only after getting to play for two cycles from amonths-long absence) but I've been gracious to try and let him gain his bearings.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Let's grab the entirety of your progress posts evaluating me.

p#135 - Tells me it's okay for me to be voting seriously but that he's not ready yet. At this point, it is 3.5 hours into D1 and 24 hours into the open thread. Pivots to asking who I'm wolfreading based on bird pictures.

p#156 - Points out that I voted squeeb before she posted, therefore it's not a valid take.

p#179 - Says I did the exact same thing as a wolf but likely do it all the time as a villager as well; votes me but insists there's no omgus (still don't know what in any of our interactions could be construed as me scumreading him in order for an omgus situation to exist)

p#187 - Tells me he just did one of his village tells.

p#196 Says that me telling him to vote seriously isn't a gotcha but also not worth ignoring.

p# I tell him I know he can self-clear so I'll give him breathing room.

p#193 Tells me he would like to be village read without having to reach that level of effort.

p#202 Admits nervousness because he wants to prove he's village to me

p#204 - I invite him to fact check whether or not I do this as a villager.

p#207 - States there is a "0% chance" he will go factcheck. Points out that he "real voted" like I requested so I should satisfied. Claims my wagon won't be hammer so it a good place to sit.

p#216 Curious to know how I'm reading him.

p#232 Asks Dubz about how our interactions looked. Concerned it may be NAI but asks Dubz if anything might be suspicious to her.

p#247 - Dubz confirms it's NAI; Spurs likes the post.

p#273 - Tells SAR to vote or sleep

p#281 - I pull one of several posts he made last game about D1 sleep benefitting scum no matter whether it's a villager or wolf voting it.

p#282 - He agrees it's pro-scum but said he wanted to help out SAR and kitz.

After me asking multiple times why that would help them, or the game thread in general, he says in p#293 that they are the only players who he'd give a pass due being busy followed by #298 saying he would find it suspicious if they slept.

p#311 - Says this is the third game not sleeping on D1 was discussed. Implies I shouldn't talk about it anymore because of that. Says to SAR that he's consistently in his village meta in response to her suspicion. Says he has more than OMGUS reason for voting me after fruit questions. (Again, where was this OMGUS to begin with?)

p#316 - Only has me and squeeb as wolfreads. p#319 Acknowledges we're incompatible.

p#321 - Agrees that sleeping D1 is always antivillage but speaks of the RNG vote again. Says I can't push him over it because SAR was already pushed wrongly over it the previous game. (Notably, where I didn't exist in any shape or form.) So posthumously blaming me for something that I never exonerate him?

p#325 - Wants me to talk about more than him and squeeb.

p#390 - Starts panicking about getting hammer and saying I'm railroading him.

p#428 - Says he's sure I'm scum because I said sleeping is antivillage. In fact, since I haven't voted him yet, that makes me even wolfier. I am, at this time, voting squeeb. His only other existing wolf read.

p#434 - Going on about how I'm powerwolfing because I said sleep is antivillage. Point out that he's put in a lot of effort evaluating me from every angle. (Stay tuned for the categorization of everything to back up this statement.) Said he talked to Dubz so I can't say he didn't try to get outside opinion. I wonder what Dubz did say. Probably in agreement since he's citing it. Maybe I'll double check p#232 again.

p#446 - Confirms he's never been nervous as a villager pushing his any reads before. Only as a wolf.

Now I'm going to separate everything further into tiers.

posts where he village reads me
...

posts where he wolf reads me
p#311
p#316
p#321
p#390
p#428
p#434

posts where he hedges
p#179
p#196
p#207
p#319

posts where he request I village read him for pushing me
p#187
p#193
p#202
p#216

Do you see the problem with the claim that I should be able to find him due to his "considerable effort to try and evaluate [me] and understand [my] perspective of this game"?
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AM, part of what I'm really struggling with is not just that you're tunneled on me, but you're saying I said things that just did not happen. Specifically, I didn't claim you "should be able to find me due to considerable effort." I said I didn't know your read on a specific subset of players despite my active participation in the thread and attempting to re-read. I appreciate you giving those reads now above.

As a few additional specific examples, you say I "hedge" in post #319, but it's just me responding that while you and squeeb are probably unpaired, you were individually my two most sus players. I don't really think I asked you to village read me in posts 202 or 216, and having those encompass half of my posts in a supposed tier is... something.

These are a few example where I think you're overstating your case on these posts, and it just makes the entire exercise feel like you're pushing an agenda rather than actually trying to solve me.
 
blegh I do probably need to figure out a place to vote since I am planning to run shortly and will not be around for close.
I want to chat with SAR and genny but they're at work. hmph.
 
GoSpursGo said:
AM, part of what I'm really struggling with is not just that you're tunneled on me, but you're saying I said things that just did not happen. Specifically, I didn't claim you "should be able to find me due to considerable effort." I said I didn't know your read on a specific subset of players despite my active participation in the thread and attempting to re-read. I appreciate you giving those reads now above.

As a few additional specific examples, you say I "hedge" in post #319, but it's just me responding that while you and squeeb are probably unpaired, you were individually my two most sus players. I don't really think I asked you to village read me in posts 202 or 216, and having those encompass half of my posts in a supposed tier is... something.

These are a few example where I think you're overstating your case on these posts, and it just makes the entire exercise feel like you're pushing an agenda rather than actually trying to solve me.
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You're not responding to or clarifying anything I wrote in there.
 
Animal Midwife said:
apop, do you want to die? I'm quite literally throwing you a bone and you're telling me it's all made up.
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Is that a threat? 🤔 If it is np because I'm indifferent about death at best at any given point.

But also I'm not convinced you're throwing me a bone so much as looking for a foothold to push me.

If you want me to back off bc you want D1 immunity I will, but I'd hate to be accused of wagon hopping again 💀
 
Animal Midwife said:
apop, do you want to die? I'm quite literally throwing you a bone and you're telling me it's all made up.
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Hey I already pointed that out when I asked if she was sorting by post count!
 
apoptosis09 said:
Is that a threat? 🤔 If it is np because I'm indifferent about death at best at any given point.

But also I'm not convinced you're throwing me a bone so much as looking for a foothold to push me.

If you want me to back off bc you want D1 immunity I will, but I'd hate to be accused of wagon hopping again 💀
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Ma'am. You are the one that said you didn't have a case on me (and by extension Spurs). When you post a four person POE, unpromoted, I expected it to be real.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I honestly shouldn't be on the board to begin with since I modded the last time (and even that was only after getting to play for two cycles from amonths-long absence) but I've been gracious to try and let him gain his bearings.
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I honestly have been wanting to find an off-ramp for this specific reason, but you haven't really given me a chance to back off my vote in a manner that wouldn't look incredibly suspicious.

But since you brought it up, I'm going to take this opportunity to table the discussion (from my perspective) until the next day cycle.

Unyeet @Animal Midwife
Yeet @apoptosis09
@Clem J

Sorry if I'm off, apop. One of these days our minds will align.
 
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