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psv plsTo be clear, are you saying that your strong town read on SAR early in this phase was driven by a belief that she had blocked you and softed doing so?
psv plsTo be clear, are you saying that your strong town read on SAR early in this phase was driven by a belief that she had blocked you and softed doing so?
whattya thinkingNow i think SAR is probably not a wolf
OhoOrange - This last post is a whole cobb salad of names and perspectives that I find pretty difficult to parse. I think some amount of suspicion is being leveled upon all of Stagg, bluestoat, Dubz, PSV, Santy, and Nate simultaneously. Most of these people have already flipped non-mafia, so we can consider the Stagg, PSV, Dubz group as a sort of laborious rule of three (or rule of six) situation. I grant that's a bit of a reach.
To be clear when I reference "player salad" it is a very specific thing, but nonetheless your point is takenDoing an ISO on Barks about Stagg specifically is interesting. She yeeted him on D0 as a joke vote, then throws him into POE lists as the game progresses (once after the mighty yeet, again a couple days later) without any real direct interaction or reasoning why he's there. Later on she says that Lawpy v Stagg made her feel better about Lawp.
Feels like easy posts for a wolf to make to try to gain credit later without interacting with their partner, especially after how D1 went down. Always throwing Stagg's name in a large list... What did JJJ call it? Salad?
@SARdoghandlerAlso, this is a pretty classic example of a "player salad", and I am annoyed to not have noticed prior. It's an old tell that has come and gone on The Syndicate, but perhaps it's still alive here until exactly right now when I explain its existence.
I'm okay with voting out X, Y, Z, or maaaaaybe W is the prototypical form of the tell. It isn't uncommon for mafia to include teammates in these things, so that's something I will consider for PSV, miranda, and Lawpy.
Then I shall call it read smorgasbordTo be clear when I reference "player salad" it is a very specific thing, but nonetheless your point is taken
I don’t want to tie it up as much as i want to die in a tie so i’m prioritizing barky over PSV/pshelty. SAR officially made me feel conflicted… but i’m going to lean her not a wolf for now.whattya thinking
I think my rationale was a bit convoluted in that point, but perhaps I stumbled into truth anyway. In the classical "rule of three" format, that'd be good for PSV. I grant that it's not quite a prototype of the rule of three though.
Partially. I'd already mostly decided she was village.To be clear, are you saying that your strong town read on SAR early in this phase was driven by a belief that she had blocked you and softed doing so?
Never seen this word before. It's fun.mafioso
YOU STILL HAVE A LAB MEETING ON FRIDAYTwo different people just sent me to two separate emails about the same lab meeting on Friday. I'm not sure I am reminded well enough. Could anyone here please remind me of the lab meeting on Friday right now?
We discuss "rule of three"s often for a similar conceptTo be clear when I reference "player salad" it is a very specific thing, but nonetheless your point is taken
Could you please just quickly state 1) what you thought you saw to indicate this and 2) why you'd view SAR blocking you as a positive thing?Partially. I'd already mostly decided she was village.
First mention, reply to Lawp. Not addressed again by Barks (I think)What don’t you like about stagg?
POE following D1, no reasons givenVis, PSV, stagg, santy, Miranda
All were sketchy at some point
Casual mention of Stagg but again, no reasoning for being in the POE and no interaction directly with StaggWhen’s the last time we heard from stagg? Also not sure why SAR is being cleared
Next POEOkay so what do you think about stagg, SAR, Lucy, and Clem?
This is the only post that supplies any reasoning why she is sus on StaggIn the Lawpy vs. stagg fight, I think I feel better about…. Lawpy? I think
Another POESo Miranda, PSV, stagg for POE
Referencing a Dubz post on Stagg, sheeping the read/getting into position to bus?But keeping this in mind
Ugh stagg trying to get vis yeeted for “information” would be really weird if stagg was a wolf
What if it’s you plsIdk, whoever the last wolf is here is getting a best wolf nom, kthx
Given overnight events, going to
Vote Nicholas Tree
Will reassess but feeling pretty comfortable with going here for now.
Vis flip puts AM solidly into village and I feel good about Zenge right now. Dubz is clearly unyeetable phasing wolf, so feel better there too.
Not feeling great about Alley. Want to look into Barks and PSV more.
Would like to hear much more (game relevant stuff) from Nate, Clem, and Lucy.
Like if PSV/pshelty is being truthful, the difference in flavor could be due to the difference in items with similar function?
WOLF who could cause 1 mass crop failure and receive a portion of the profits from the crops he destroyed
WOLF ... lightning..er. Zappyzapper?
Electric wolf
HmmWOLF Vanillizer
This is an interesting post from Stagg because everyone mentioned has flipped except PSV and Barks. I feel in a post like this that mentions so much of the roster, high chance a wolf gets mentioned here especially with Stagg deepwolfing.
So I feel good about the direction we are going with Barks and considering PSV tomorrow if we're still here
Sorry, ridiculous weekend call days plus not seeing my kid shifted my priorities. I've got clinic this afternoon though and a bunch to still catch up on, so I'll be around later. I'm caught up, but need to go back and iso some people.
I've got mixed feelings on Barks and not sure how I feel about that N1 protection claim unless there's details I'm missing. Nate is....idk. He posted the VCA sheet and I know he's contributed some, but for some reason I'm not recalling any of his actual arguments and they're not standing out as meaningful. Could be I'm just exhausted and not registering them, so going to go back and reread. Same thing with Clem, idk where he stands at all which is a bit concerning given last game.
There was also something in a write-up that I want to look into more, but don't want to say too much yet, because I think someone may be able to be at least somewhat mechanically cleared.
I'm honestly kind of lost right now and was hoping village bloc would be able to carry more, but I'll try and give some decent reads after clinic.
For now:
Vote Alley
I may change to Nate or Barks after some rereading, but Alley is my strongest wolf lean right now as I don't really see village cred here other than the ability claim, which Idk how much credit to give based on write-ups.
Oooookay, finally finished with patients for the day, going to go back and iso Nate and Barks then will try and be more productive with conversation...
Would also like to hear more from @Clem J , @SARdoghandler , @lucy. , @genny .
I'll lump the answers to these questions together because they are directly related. She suddenly declared me her very strongest village read when she'd been lightly sussing me previously. I thought she had blocked me, noticed I couldn't possibly have done the NK, and therefore was village reading me based on that. I thought that was a villagey move because a wolf wouldn't have made hints like that when they're the last one left and that could theoretically clear a villager.Could you please just quickly state 1) what you thought you saw to indicate this and 2) why you'd view SAR blocking you as a positive thing?
Flavor difference itself is pretty minimal but the function difference is like, when barks blocked me I couldn't plant my crops or anything. But this time I was able to plant/harvest, just couldn't get out.Like if PSV/pshelty is being truthful, the difference in flavor could be due to the difference in items with similar function?
She suddenly declared me her very strongest village read when she'd been lightly sussing me previously.
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This sounds wolfy afwhen barks blocked me I couldn't plant my crops or anything
This could be a wolf!barky modifying her items to be in line with the anti-farming wolf objective that mighty initially slipped out but confirmed by vissy and staggs destructive abilitiesFlavor difference itself is pretty minimal but the function difference is like, when barks blocked me I couldn't plant my crops or anything. But this time I was able to plant/harvest, just couldn't get out.
Oho?Okay, here is that farming theory that a few of you appeared interested in:
In a normal game of werewolf, the objective is to be the last ones standing. There are abilities that assist with the core gameplay, but it all revolves around "eliminate the other team"
With stardew, we now have an independent game mechanic system that has no obvious relationship with that core gameplay. I can create a strawberry empire, only to wind up dead the next morning. Maximization of gold or building a grand farm has little impact on how the "real" game will progress. If anything, these annoying wolves are making it difficult to play this cool farming simulator that the mods created.
The exception is the unique items. By having gold, I can convert it into other abilities. Letters would build alliances, and the tools could great unique abilities.
If I started with 1000g, I could invested that money on a farm that would start yielding profits that I could benefit from in 2-3 nights. However, by then we would have lost about 1/3 of our community to yeets and NK, and the actual benefit to my team for having 5000g in my pocket or a bunch of cows is negligible.
On the other hand, if I buy a power item like a sword or scythe, I will have no capital left to actually farm, but I'll have a tool that may immediately help my team. I assume I'll fair better if I encounter a wolf at night while holding a sword than without one. If my assumptions are valid, it is objectively better for me to abandon most of the unique game mechanics (farm, livestock) in order to pursue the possibility that the item will assist the village.
This is my long way of saying that buying items is correct and farming is suboptimal, if not sus. Anyone find faults with this analysis?
That was unexpected.
I don't know if it means SAR is the wolf or we're supposed to think that.
The only truly solid village read I have that I think is non-negotiable for me is PSV. Im open to looking anywhere else.
That said, after yesterday I do truly believe that Miranda is village. It's nothing other than tone and how she responded to things yesterday but I do feel quite strongly about it.
Was it you that posted the colour coded tallies yesterday? I think I want to look at them again given Stagg's flip
I guess one person I'm coming back to is barks 🫠 But I also don't really think she's a wolf
But I'm very confident SAR isn't a wolf.
general impression on Barks based on iso is neutral to mild wolf leans.
Feel better about Barks, but can’t clear and I still don’t know how to interpret the Lawpy interactions.
Lol the 3P fishing.Wild card, I could see a possible Genny/SAR/Barks 3P, but we’ve already had one so idk what that would do to game balance.
This progression is at least consistent with PSV's account. @SARdoghandler have you expanded on your confidence about PSV? Forgive me if so and just point the way please.
I get that you're at work but we're all floundering here. Do you have any enlightenment?
Wait what tie are you referencing here?It still just comes back to the D1 tie and I know there's a ton of WIFOM about how that went down but I just don't see wolf!PSV potentially endangering 3 wolves with that move. That said, if Barks flips village then that does become my weakest village argument so I think I overstated my confidence in that read with all the waffling and reevaluating I've been trying to do
When PSV tied mighty and vis with 2 minutes to close. The third wolf with be wolf!PSV in that scenarioWait what tie are you referencing here?
That tie lasted for few seconds before staggs switched to mightyWhen PSV tied mighty and vis with 2 minutes to close. The third wolf with be wolf!PSV in that scenario
I’m still a JOAT. I haven’t read enough to figure out why on earth anyone would think I’m a tinkerer. Maybe reevaluate more tomorrow as I’ve been saying forever?I get that you're at work but we're all floundering here. Do you have any enlightenment?
That tie lasted for few seconds before staggs switched to mighty
Unless
Unyeet Lucy
Yeet Vis
Ugh, unvote Vis
Vote Mighty
Most humans fear the unknown... - Day 1 Tally
Vis (6) - Zenge, AM, Stagg, stoat, Dubz, PSV
miranda (1) - Barky
Dubz ()
Stagg (4) - Nate, Santy, Lawpy, mighty
mighty (6) - samac, JJJ, Clem, SAR, miranda, Vis
Zenge ()
Santy (1) - Vis
alley ()
Nate ()
lucy (1) - PSV
stoat ()
@Viscernable @mightyrunner7, you are in the lead!
18/19 voting
Missing: @lucy.
Vote closes today, 3/17, at 10 PM CDT (~1 minutes).
@SARdoghandlerStagg moved mighty
Barky pls it’s the reeval that led me to think of the tinkerer possibility.I’m still a JOAT. I haven’t read enough to figure out why on earth anyone would think I’m a tinkerer. Maybe reevaluate more tomorrow as I’ve been saying forever?