Time To Get a WWatch - Game Thread

[Santygrass]

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Think I asked earlier without pings but no one answered 🙁

 

[Empire]

*inhales*
Powerwolfing and bussing aren't mutually exclusive

you have definitions of those terms i m not used to, then

 

[Animal Midwife]

Idk how to read giv conclussion?

I feel like she never really fleshed out any of her reads before going to JJJ.

 

[Empire]

Villa~

okay, why is Jay villa?

 

[Santygrass]

okay, why is Jay villa?

By the rule of 'They are being very pro-villa and that as a wolf isnt good for their wincon and put themselves in a position in where they almost never endgames and I wanted to make the name of this rule more short'

 

[Empire]

I actually did ISO PSV again and still no wolf tells. I’m obviously wary of the game she turns around and doesn’t do it, but it’s been 100% reliable thus far. Always present in her wolf games and not present in her village games.

That and I’d be surprised if dubz and Zenge made her a wolf again, knowing that she was an anxious wreck last game

if the mods don't fully rand alignments in games i have significant issue with that lol

 

[Santygrass]

Also I vibed with most of their reads and only a few have pinged me (f.e. early AM interactions / treatment of Clem)

 

[Empire]

By the rule of 'They are being very pro-villa and that as a wolf isnt good for their wincon and put themselves in a position in where they almost never endgames and I wanted to make the name of this rule more short'

What has he done that's pro-villa? Why does he never endgame as a wolf from his position?

 

[Empire]

What I'd really like today is an Empire yeet, but from the looks of everyone else's reads that probably won't be happening. I think a Nate yeet would yield important info (particularly about my Empire read, but that's just me) so I wouldn't be upset about a Nate yeet even though it's not where I want to vote if everyone else feels horrible about him

I am never getting yeeted this game and if you are a villager I recommend solving outside me

 

[Santygrass]

What has he done that's pro-villa? Why does he never endgame as a wolf from his position?

The townreads and just activity / interactions / focus on solving
The chart thingy more than the conclussion of it generating those GTH reads

Like, he feels the most like a vocal Consensus townread atm , and its difficult to endgame in that position cuz it gets weird if they dont get nk'ed. Best strat its to nod along and wait to them to either get a clearing pelt or die. If you reach endgame and they still alive then you should yeet them almost always? At least thats how I see it

 

[Santygrass]

I am never getting yeeted this game and if you are a villager I recommend solving outside me

When I grow up I want to have your confidence

 

[Empire]

I'll fully claim in a bit btw. I wanted reactions first, but it's better for the remaining time to be focused on solving rather than what I did/didn't claim.

When you do claim, I'd also like to see some words with regard to where your head is at in regard to the game currently - doesn't have to be an ordered reads list, just general thoughts on players.

 

[Empire]

The townreads and just activity / interactions / focus on solving
The chart thingy more than the conclussion of it generating those GTH reads

Like, he feels the most like a vocal Consensus townread atm , and its difficult to endgame in that position cuz it gets weird if they dont get nk'ed. Best strat its to nod along and wait to them to either get a clearing pelt or die. If you reach endgame and they still alive then you should yeet them almost always? At least thats how I see it

If the game started off 9:3 then village only has two misyeets and I don't think anyone would blink at him surviving to Day 3 when this isn't is home turf. And I don't think the interactivity or creation of charts is an alignment tell as much as it is something he does every game. Your read feels a bit undercooked to me.

 

[Santygrass]

Towny Bucket [Ponies JJJ]
REassess bucket [Empire,April,AM, Psv]
Upper PoE bucket [Clem,True]
OG direct PoE who didnt trend Up : Nate



Maybe something like this? Tho I kinda am confbiasing myself in Psv town and AM PoE before doing any digging wowee

 

[Empire]

I feel like she never really fleshed out any of her reads before going to JJJ.

Is this abnormal behavior for her?

 

[NateTheLesser]

They both just feel wrong to me right now. Even within a few minutes of calling Nate mafia GTH, I wanted to change it. Now that he is here and able to contribute, he looks more or less like NateTheLesser is supposed to look.

I'm not completely 100% confident and don't want to be interpreted as such, but I don't think the vibes are good for those prospective chops (True or Nate).

A post was tickling my brain and I think I found it. I'm wondering what this perception of what town!me should look like comes from, since our other game together you knew my alignment at rand.

 

[Santygrass]

If the game started off 9:3 then village only has two misyeets and I don't think anyone would blink at him surviving to Day 3 when this isn't is home turf. And I don't think the interactivity or creation of charts is an alignment tell as much as it is something he does every game. Your read feels a bit undercooked to me.

It was a GTH read, and even the reason I opposed a little to the Clem yeet was because I dont have full trust on JJJ. Just choosing to believe he is Villa atm. If there are 3 Scum, I think that we can yeet one of their partners before tbfh.
Like, I can townread him and not let him influence my reads as to worry me that they may fully control the yeets to win?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Towny Bucket [Ponies JJJ]
REassess bucket [Empire,April,AM, Psv]
Upper PoE bucket [Clem,True]
OG direct PoE who didnt trend Up : Nate



Maybe something like this? Tho I kinda am confbiasing myself in Psv town and AM PoE before doing any digging wowee

Why would I be POE'd?

 

[Empire]

Anyway, Santy, why do you suspect Nate again?

 

[Empire]

I can't wait for Nate to tell us his claim was a reaction test

 

[Animal Midwife]

Is this abnormal behavior for her?

Yes, for people who are not me.

 

[Santygrass]

Anyway, Santy, why do you suspect Nate again?

I didnt like their D1 much (Why he fell into bottom PoE).

I think that both them+True fell into the same view of not doing something unique or seeming t have a solving/towny approach?

That thought got dissipated / wavered with True with some of their posts near EoD , (Maybe I am an AtE sucker, need to reread, but the felt pure) . So like... Nate I felt like they were bottom PoE, other slots in PoE did some things to make me waver, they did not. And even then the wagon of 5 shifted swiftly from them , so thats worth to look into (Tho I kinda feel that It will be thank to jay) , but want to relook if there indeed was a tonal shift/more relaxed one after they werent more a wagon. I am not weighing much the claim stuff tbh, if anything I would lean it mlre to sucmmy for the time taken but it may depend of the conclussion they have of their testing

 

[Aprilthearab]

Further: Why is it wolfy if I village read you in your accusation of me, but also wolfy if I wolf read PSV?

I did think about that while typing out my post. It's a combination of the fact that the reasoning behind both can be wolfy independent of each other and "idk, this is just my gut reaction."

It wouldn't make sense for a wolf to be retaliatory toward every single person who pushed them nor would it make sense for a wolf to put every single person who pushed them at the top of their village reads. I don't think it's necessarily villagey for one person to do both. Two different strategies, same potential goal, not mutually exclusive.

The village read of me only stuck out because it was at the very very top and the PSV retaliation only stuck out to me because you cited her wolf read of you as a primary reason for your read of her but carried on with the read anyway.

 

[NateTheLesser]

I can't wait for Nate to tell us his claim was a reaction test

How to Make Enemies: A Werewolf Primer

 

[Santygrass]

I can't wait for Nate to tell us his claim was a reaction test

That would be kinda epic lol

 

[Santygrass]

Why would I be POE'd?

Why wouldnt you? Do you feel like anything you did was clearing?

 

[kaydubs]

Phew. Finally caught up.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Why wouldnt you? Do you feel like anything you did was clearing?

Not any less than anyone else did. Even last game, I technically "wasn't on a wolf flip" because PSV never died. Why is she so high for you?

 

[Aprilthearab]

@Aprilthearab @Truenamer an you quote me stuff from this game that feels like V!AM that they wouldnt do as a wolf?

It's not so much what she's said than what she hasn't said that makes me think she's village

Wolf!AM likes to twist logic and intentionally misinterpret with stubborn pushes that don't have a great foundation (moreso than basic retaliatory votes, which is NAI for her). It usually starts popping up more half way through the game though, not early. Which is what motivated me to say I'm always hesitant to read her early... she can stay at the periphery of my radar the whole game even if I put her in my village reads

 

[Santygrass]

Not any less than anyone else did. Even last game, I technically "wasn't on a wolf flip" because PSV never died. Why is she so high for you?

Cause I dont really recall psv being so bold in their reads/approach in he game and doing such a wild switch. It kinda reminds me at how I assumed Cray was Villa and flipped my PoE last game too. So like, their line of thinking I think its villagery at base. Maybe if they dont develop those reads / PoV more I would worry a little tho but rn Im gucci

 

[Santygrass]

What does your PoE looks like rn AM?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Cause I dont really recall psv being so bold in their reads/approach in he game and doing such a wild switch. It kinda reminds me at how I assumed Cray was Villa and flipped my PoE last game too. So like, their line of thinking I think its villagery at base. Maybe if they dont develop those reads / PoV more I would worry a little tho but rn Im gucci

Wasn't that more for Cray's "twtbaw" play when she was indeed a wolf? Regardless, I don't see how PSV can clear all the wagons without even seriously evaluating them. I saw you come hard at Cray and the continue to go hard at PSV who was always in your POE. Last game, PSV was limited by a sizable number powerwolves existing and being cleared so had to pick her few targets careful.

 

[Animal Midwife]

What does your PoE looks like rn AM?

Yes, he's [Nate's] POE still. I'm also looking at Empire.

 

[Empire]

I did think about that while typing out my post. It's a combination of the fact that the reasoning behind both can be wolfy independent of each other and "idk, this is just my gut reaction."

It wouldn't make sense for a wolf to be retaliatory toward every single person who pushed them nor would it make sense for a wolf to put every single person who pushed them at the top of their village reads. I don't think it's necessarily villagey for one person to do both. Two different strategies, same potential goal, not mutually exclusive.

The village read of me only stuck out because it was at the very very top and the PSV retaliation only stuck out to me because you cited her wolf read of you as a primary reason for your read of her but carried on with the read anyway.

disregarding the fact that i have definitely seen some wolves who just OMGUS everyone who pushes them


this sounds to me like you're simply reading into everything i do as wolfy no matter what. it doesn't feel like you're really attempting to assess my motivations and whether they are genuine, just assuming everything is done with nefarious intentions. If I villa read someone pushing me -strategy. If I wolf read someone pushing me - also strategy. why can't i be a villager who (was) reading you and psv differently? What makes those reads wolfy?

 

[Empire]

I think AM's questioning of psv looks villagery.

 

[Aprilthearab]

disregarding the fact that i have definitely seen some wolves who just OMGUS everyone who pushes them


this sounds to me like you're simply reading into everything i do as wolfy no matter what. it doesn't feel like you're really attempting to assess my motivations and whether they are genuine, just assuming everything is done with nefarious intentions. If I villa read someone pushing me -strategy. If I wolf read someone pushing me - also strategy. why can't i be a villager who (was) reading you and psv differently? What makes those reads wolfy?

You could be, I'm not saying that can't be a possibility. But you asked a question so I answered

 

[Santygrass]

Wasn't that more for Cray's "twtbaw" play when she was indeed a wolf? Regardless, I don't see how PSV can clear all the wagons without even seriously evaluating them. I saw you come hard at Cray and the continue to go hard at PSV who was always in your POE. Last game, PSV was limited by a sizable number powerwolves existing and being cleared so had to pick her few targets careful.

It was not for twtbaw, it was more because I realy believed the reasoning of their claim and how they acted with it (And I was right, they indeed thought that was a villagery use of the seer so wowee).
I think that maybe you're right in that she hasnt properly cleared them but its more like... A genuine feeling that psv seems to have as to 'something is wrong here and we need to change it' , so like, starting to completely reassess makes me want to lean V that approach if they do something with it? Like, I dont think its wolfy for sure

 

[Santygrass]

Anyways I need to rest for a bit, I'll bbl this dsy has been hell and tomorrow will be worse hype

 

[Animal Midwife]

It was not for twtbaw, it was more because I realy believed the reasoning of their claim and how they acted with it (And I was right, they indeed thought that was a villagery use of the seer so wowee).
I think that maybe you're right in that she hasnt properly cleared them but its more like... A genuine feeling that psv seems to have as to 'something is wrong here and we need to change it' , so like, starting to completely reassess makes me want to lean V that approach if they do something with it? Like, I dont think its wolfy for sure

I don't know, it just seems weird after the "everyone has been pressured" and "I don't know who the wolves are" posts.

 

[Empire]

You could be, I'm not saying that can't be a possibility. But you asked a question so I answered

well i asked because i'm trying to break down your logic - to me there's an obvious dissonance that shows you're biasing your conclusions and i'm trying to get you to consider that

 

[Aprilthearab]

well i asked because i'm trying to break down your logic - to me there's an obvious dissonance that shows you're biasing your conclusions and i'm trying to get you to consider that

I understand and it's possible that's why I'd love to talk about santy more today

 

[Empire]

I'll get back to you after I actually re-read him.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I usually like to shout reads at night close time so they can’t scramble to kill me lol

This aged poorly

 

[Zenge142]

Tick Tick Tick Tick…​

 

[Truenamer]

Catching up, forgive me for a big wall post, figured this was better than a ton of random separate ones.

I think the mindset here is villagery from PSV. I have almost never seen a wolf come into a day trying to argue that the established pecking order is wrong - they usually try to divert attention more subtly than this, unless they are in the immediate POE, which psv isn't, really. More liable to make enemies than allies. Wolves have the factional nightkill for dealing with village leaders rather than arguing against them. The "everything is wrong" paranoia also feels similar to my own perception of the game.

I agree and like this post. PSV is town core in my mind.

No, and no... That's why I said don't put any stock in who might be my wolfiest wolf lean because it's just a mostly unordered category

True's logic is still super sketchy to me in a lot of places but he has this villager victim tone that makes me think he's just sketchy regardless and maybe innocent.

I don't necessarily like Clem's contributions but some random stuff makes me think that's not where I want to be voting.

I'm liking Nate's more recent contributions tbh but the D1 stuff was pretty sketchy so I'm not willing to put him in village right now. Plus, what I like about him is mostly some parallels between our reads, so if my reads end up being wrong, he loses village points.

So basically, I don't want to yeet any of them right now but someone has to be a second and/or third wolf and everyone else is more villagey than them, so there they are for now

I'm fine with you calling me sketchy, but I have to take offense at my logic being called sketchy. I feel like I've been very transparent.

What I'd really like today is an Empire yeet, but from the looks of everyone else's reads that probably won't be happening. I think a Nate yeet would yield important info (particularly about my Empire read, but that's just me) so I wouldn't be upset about a Nate yeet even though it's not where I want to vote if everyone else feels horrible about him

Has anyone done an Empire ISO yet? Not sure if I missed one. Will try and do tomorrow if not.

@Aprilthearab @Truenamer an you quote me stuff from this game that feels like V!AM that they wouldnt do as a wolf?

Noted, will do. Did a partial AM ISO before yeet close yesterday, can go back and cherrypick some stuff.

if the mods don't fully rand alignments in games i have significant issue with that lol

I think some SDN mods put a light hand on the scale (like if someone is feeling very burned out and hates wolfing) but we have no reason to think that happened here, and it isn't common.

I am never getting yeeted this game and if you are a villager I recommend solving outside me

I love this, this slaps, 10/10 no notes

 

[Truenamer]

Tick Tick Tick Tick…​

Oh christ

 

[Empire]

Tick Tick Tick Tick…​

that's not ominious at all

 

[Empire]

Unyeet Santy

 

[Aprilthearab]

Unyeet Santy

Why?

 

[Truenamer]

Unyeet Santy

I love the idea that the ominous ticking scared you away from the yeet 😂