2008-2009 George Washington University (GWU) Secondary Application Thread

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Questions to those of you who have interviewed at GW:
1. Do they give you the name of the interviewers when you get there? Or is it just, you find out when you walk into the room?
2. Is lunch RIGHT before the interview? Did you have a little bit of time to get ready for the interview.. make sure there isnt anything green in your teeth, etc etc..
3. Is the student interviewer always first? Or do some have student first, and some have faculty first?
4. Do they ask any questions politically related?
5. In terms of financial aid, I read that they dont go over it as much, but if you come with questions, will they answer them?


Thanks 🙂
1. I believe they gave you the name of the interviewers prior to you entering the room.

2. Lunch was right before the interview, but we had a little break before the interviews (during which I went to the bathroom to check for that green thing in my teeth).

3. My student interviewer was first--but I can't really recall if everybody had it that way. I believe it was a mix.

4. The didn't for me--and I interviewed right before the election. That doesn't mean they won't.

5. The financial aid presentation was a whopping 5 minutes. I think they may have had a very short Q&A--but it seemed like the woman who gave the presentation wanted to get out of there as soon as she could. They do give you the contact information for the financial aid office, so if you have a specific question, you can always contact them after your interview.
 
Thank you for your replies 🙂

If anyone has any suggestions they would like to throw my way, I would be very grateful! This is a TOP TOP choice for me, and I would loveee any help 🙂
 
GW is AWESOME. Be yourself, don't be pretentious, enjoy the brownies they provide with your lunch (loL!). Umm, if you interview with Dean Scott Scroth, then you're golden--he's the most amazing guy! He invited me to go to a national conference with him during my interview. The conference was pretty awesome and he remembered my name and pointed me out from the audience. :xf::xf::xf:Good luck to you! Maybe I'll see you here in August 🙂
 
Aw Sushi, Thanks for the advice 🙂

I guess I am just putting added pressure on myself by being nervous.. 🙂

Hope to see you there too!!
 
Just got an interview invite today! See you all on the 3rd!
 
congrats enroh! GWU appears to still be interviewing for spots
 
any recent gwu interview invites? esp. off the infamous "hold" status?


i'm getting very antsy.... any advice would be much appreciated.

Just to let anyone who's on a pre-interview hold know...I was complete in July and have been on hold forever and ever. Just got an interview invite a few hours ago. It's been scheduled for March 5th...so there's still time.

did anyone manage to get off their hold and get an interview? If so, did you send them anything, an update/loi?

And yes, I sent a letter of update to all the schools I had not heard from around mid-December...

Keep your heads up!
 
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YAY! Congratulations to those who got interviews.. 🙂

See you guys there!! 🙂
 
Is it too late to send an update letter if we have a pre-interview hold?
 
I would still give it a shot.. who knows?! It cant hurt 🙂
 
Does anyone know how GW does their alternate list? I know it's not ranked but do they review a certain group first, such as the people that have been on the wait list since november?
 
GW is AWESOME. Be yourself, don't be pretentious, enjoy the brownies they provide with your lunch (loL!). Umm, if you interview with Dean Scott Scroth, then you're golden--he's the most amazing guy! He invited me to go to a national conference with him during my interview. The conference was pretty awesome and he remembered my name and pointed me out from the audience. :xf::xf::xf:Good luck to you! Maybe I'll see you here in August 🙂


I also had Dean Scroth. He is amazing!
 
I had dean scroth as well, but it seemed like he was apathetic from the getgo. I dunno, convo was kinda sterile. Maybe it was just me.
 
On my interview day, he was making fun of all the interviewee's undergrad mascots. Then he proceeded to tell us his undergrad and grad mascots and said that we couldn't top his, in terms of having the "most wussy" mascot:

undergrad: Amorphous Blob for William & Mary <-- HAHAHA!
Med. School: Quakers for UPenn <-- can't beat a pacifist!

Suddenly a man-maid from UCSD and a banana-slug from UCSC sounds a lot cooler, hehe 😛
 
Is it too late to send an update letter if we have a pre-interview hold?

I sent an update letter a few weeks ago. They acknowledged the receipt promptly, but alas I am still on pre-interview hold from my own school.....not bitter or anything.
 
Don't give up yet Avs, I sent my update letter at the beginning of February and just got an interview invite off of the pre-interview hold yesterday. I had to call and reschedule my interview and they were able to offer me several days so there must be at least a few spots still open! Good luck
 
Congrats to all of you who received interview invites! Don't worry, you will be fine. GW's interview day was one of the better/enjoyable ones.
 
So no acceptances or alternate list last week from gw?
 
Aw, sorry man! Hope the waitlist has mad movement this year!!
 
I just received an interview invite and I was wondering if anyone can comment on the parking situation at GW. I am staying with a friend in VA, not far from GW, and I am trying to decide whether to drive in and park at the school or take the metro. Anyone know if the GWU parking garage is open to interviewees?
 
I just received an interview invite and I was wondering if anyone can comment on the parking situation at GW. I am staying with a friend in VA, not far from GW, and I am trying to decide whether to drive in and park at the school or take the metro. Anyone know if the GWU parking garage is open to interviewees?

There is a parking garage at 22nd and H which is only a block away. Not sure if you could get the ticket validated, but at the least you could park there and pay.
 
I'm fairly certain the metro drops you off literally in front of the building we interview in so it might be easier to do that
 
I'm fairly certain the metro drops you off literally in front of the building we interview in so it might be easier to do that

It does. Just turn to the right off the escalator.
 
I just received an interview invite and I was wondering if anyone can comment on the parking situation at GW. I am staying with a friend in VA, not far from GW, and I am trying to decide whether to drive in and park at the school or take the metro. Anyone know if the GWU parking garage is open to interviewees?

Definitely take the Metro. Depending on where you'll be in VA, you can park at the Metro station--or have your friend drop you off there. As least from my experience, parking near GW is a pain, even on weekends.
 
From today's Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/22/AR2009022202031.html

Medical School's Problems Were Worse Than Described

GWU Blamed Probation on Superficial Reasons


When the medical school at George Washington University was put on academic probation last fall, school officials said the reasons were mostly superficial matters, such as problems with administrative paperwork and student complaints about a shortage of lounge space.
In fact, according to interviews and documents obtained by The Washington Post, the school had deficiencies that were considerably more serious.
According to a confidential evaluation document and interviews, GWU has done an inadequate job of monitoring students' time with patients and ensuring that those clinical experiences relate to classroom learning. Student debt levels are among the highest in the country, according to the seven-page letter sent by the accrediting agency in June and later obtained by The Post. Students complained of mistreatment. Problems flagged as long ago as 2001 still had not been addressed when the school was put on probation.
The George Washington University School of Medicine and Health Sciences is the only one of 129 medical schools in the United States on academic probation. In the past 15 years, only five schools, including GWU's, have been singled out for problems that the country's medical school accrediting agency concluded "seriously compromised the quality of the medical education program."
Although it was not a factor in the decision to place GWU's medical school on probation, many people interviewed for this article also pointed to what they consider a potentially serious conflict of interest involving its top official. They said the conflict provided an incentive to keep the institution's focus on improving its hospital's bottom line rather than investing in medical education, research and training.
Since 1999, John F. Williams, GWU's provost and vice president for health affairs, also has received money and stock options for serving on the board of directors of Universal Health Services, which owns the university hospital.
Williams was paid nearly $680,000 in annual compensation by GWU, according to the university's 2006 tax returns, its most recent, and UHS reported in Securities and Exchange Commission filings that he received compensation from the company that calendar year of $122,000, including stock options.
Because he has a stake in the company's profitability, some at the school complained that Williams had no incentive to push for spending on new equipment and programs at the school. Others said it was not appropriate for Williams to be paid so well when the tax-exempt school is one of the most expensive in the country.
GWU leaders asked Williams to resign from the corporation board and this month accepted his resignation, effective by the end of the academic year. They said his position at both institutions could create the appearance of a conflict of interest.
"No information emerged to indicate an actual conflict of interest," the university said in a statement.
"It's surprising that this relationship went on for many years," Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, which has scrutinized salaries at nonprofit organizations like the medical school recently, said in a statement. Officials at nonprofit agencies are responsible for ensuring that their assets are used for the public good, while company leaders must maximize profit, he said. "It would be very hard for one person to wear both hats and fairly serve both interests."
Williams's supporters praise his skill as a doctor and his dedication to the program. "He's an alumnus of this medical school, and he's been supportive of me and this medical school and the students," said James L. Scott, the medical school dean. Williams declined to comment, as did GWU President Steven Knapp, who took office in August 2007.
Founded in 1825, GWU's medical school is one of the oldest in the country. Former president Ronald Reagan and other leaders have been treated at the hospital, just blocks from the White House. The school has enjoyed a solid reputation for teaching its approximately 700 students, garnering praise for its variety of clinical opportunities and pass rates on national exams that are equal to or higher than U.S. averages.
But unlike most medical schools, which receive state support, GWU gets nothing from the District of Columbia. Nor does it bring in a lot of grant money. It ranks near the bottom on a list of National Institutes of Health research award dollars, for example.
"It's very difficult for medical schools to make it on their own," said John Kastor, a professor at the University of Maryland School of Medicine who recently wrote a book about GWU's and Georgetown University's medical schools. "They basically need their teaching hospital" to help fund them, he said.
In the 1990s, GWU's hospital was losing so much money it was starting to eat into the school's relatively small endowment, in part because the patient population includes many uninsured District residents.
In 1997, the for-profit Universal Health Services bought the hospital. GWU retains a 20 percent stake, and for years now, the hospital has been making money. UHS replaced the worn-out old building, and several students and professors said they are very pleased with the clinical learning area at the new hospital.
It is rare for a teaching hospital to be run by a for-profit company; there are only a handful of such arrangements in the United States. Because medical schools exist to educate doctors and treat patients, money from teaching hospitals is typically used to improve education and care rather than given to shareholders.
Some faculty members said the deal was a smart business decision for GWU and the hospital but bad for the medical school.
But former GWU president Stephen Trachtenberg, who pushed to sell the hospital, said the school had no other options at that point. "If we hadn't worked something out . . . at some point the medical school would have turned into a black hole and sucked in all the resources of the university," he said.
GWU officials said that students receive an outstanding education and that their test scores and placements prove it. They declined to release documents from the accreditors but contended that the deficiencies cited in them could be corrected easily and that some already have been. They noted that the accrediting agency, the American Medical Association and Association of American Medical College's Liaison Committee on Medical Education, already has endorsed their corrective plan.
No one believes the probation means students are leaving GWU unqualified to care for patients. But the letter that lays out accreditors' concerns, and interviews with faculty, trustees and others, depict a school leadership that has overlooked too many details of the educational program for too long and that isn't in total control of students' clinical training.
The committee's standards are meant to ensure that the administration knows that doctors are teaching students what they need to know; that the clinical experiences align with material taught in the classroom; and that students receive comparable training at all sites, among other factors.
The committee cited inconsistent oversight of the clinical experiences in its letter to school officials. Not all the doctors who supervised students at another hospital had faculty appointments at GWU, so there was no guarantee they were reinforcing what students had learned in class. The committee noted pressure to see patients might affect the time doctors have for teaching and research.
Problems were allowed to linger. The accrediting committee noted in June, as it had in 2001, that the school still didn't have a system for monitoring student achievement and hadn't reviewed the curriculum to avoid gaps or redundancies.
Students complained of mistreatment at higher-than-average rates, according to the letter. Nationally, about 17 percent of students surveyed say they have experienced mistreatment, primarily belittlement and humiliation.
Accreditors noted a potential conflict at GWU because the ombudsman who handled student complaints also led the committee that evaluated students.
Scott, the medical school's dean, noted, however, that "there were only positives about the outcomes of the curriculum, the quality of the students, the residency matching rates, the board passage rates."
The committee praised the school for its diverse student body and patient population, which offered a wide range of clinical experiences for students.
GWU remains fully accredited while on probation. It has until October 2010 to regain compliance. Losing accreditation -- which is highly unlikely -- would effectively kill the school.
Some students are worried about getting medical residencies, and applicants have asked professors about whether they will receive a flawed education. But many students still want to go to GWU: The school has more applicants this year than last.
"I think students get an excellent education at GW," said Jordan Cohen, professor of medicine and public health.
"The decision on probation status is going to be resolved," Scott said, "and in the end we'll be the same medical school -- but better than we've been."
 
Well that story is interesting. I still think GW will be fine, as no US med school has ever lost accreditation. All I can say is, hope this translates into more acceptance offers to those on the waitlist like me, because I still would like to go to GW!
 
Well that story is interesting. I still think GW will be fine, as no US med school has ever lost accreditation. All I can say is, hope this translates into more acceptance offers to those on the waitlist like me, because I still would like to go to GW!

I didn't mean to highlight the accreditation issue; rather the poor-quality clinical experiences, the conflicts of interest within the administration, and the psychological abuse of students.
 
But the students at the interview day were so happy! Kidding aside, I know where you're coming from. However, if I'm not mistaken, GW has had solid match results ever since these troubles supposedly started brewing in 2001. As for the psychological abuse, if it is in fact significantly higher than the national average, it should particularly lessen in the coming years now that is has been exposed to the public. Take the conflict of interest issue, the provost will resign from his corporate position in a few months now that the story is out.
 
I'm am both happy and extremely disappointed with this article. I am extremely disappointed in the blatant misrepresentation of the "problems" with the medical school. Aside from the administrative stuff and the lack of lounge space the core complaint is that GWU does not micromanage their curriculum in the manner that the LCME had deemed canon. The LCME had nothing negative to say about the content or the outcome of the education recieved at GWU, in the end all that matters, so who cares?
 
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It's nice to hear that people are still getting interviews off of pre-interview holds. I'm another complete-since-july, sent-a-letter-of-update-recently people. *fingers crossed*
 
Good luck to everyone still waiting to hear back about acceptances or interviews!!! 2009 is going to be a great year!! 🙂
 
Good luck to everyone still waiting to hear back about acceptances or interviews!!! 2009 is going to be a great year!! 🙂

thanks for the encouragement to all of us.....i am doing my best to keep the faith and it's comforting to know that others are still routing for you!
 
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Is it just me, or is this thread filled with really really really cool people who seem like they would make awesome classmates? eh? 😎
 
Lets just hope the admissions committee thinks that too!! 🙂
 
i withdrew from my interview, hope rjpark2 or someone else gets it!

best wishes
 
So is "alternate" status the same as being waitlisted? Do they give out any information about your position as other schools do?
 
Alternate List info. Yes, it is pretty much the same as a waitlist. GW's is unranked. Read below.

Hey Guys,

So i feel really bad about constantly annoying GW with my persistent phone calls and questions, but i got some info regarding the alternate list (AL).


  • The AL is NOT ranked
  • The class is NOT full yet
  • GW re-reviews each AL file many times throughout the year
  • During re-review all AL files are looked at as a group in their entirety (ie- they are not compared to recent interviewee files that are awaiting a decision)
  • Around May 15th is when the AL typically begins to show movement however some people can hear sooner
  • Contrary to SDN speculation, last year's AL did have significant movement. I guess those people who got pulled off just weren't SDN members... or something.
  • "Plenty"/"A good number"/ "Many" students get pulled of the GW AL each year.
  • There is still hope. There is always hope :luck::luck::luck:
Overall, i think mbe36 hit the nail on the head with his multiple acceptance theory. Looks like we'll just have to wait for May to come around. :xf:

Is it just me, or is this thread filled with really really really cool people who seem like they would make awesome classmates? eh? 😎

👍 haha Seriously, I am rooting for all of us. This thread host of great people in it.
 
Hey guys,
Anyone have an idea of how big their "pre interview hold" pool is? Does it mean anything at this point?
🙂
 
7 weeks and counting. this wait is killing me. Seems like GW hasn't given out many acceptances during the last few weeks.
 
Does anyone know if March-ish interviews also have to wait 6-8 weeks to get their results?
 
I'm interviewing on Tuesday, I'll let you know if they say the wait will be the same or if it will be shorter
 
Does anyone know if March-ish interviews also have to wait 6-8 weeks to get their results?

They will tell you an approximate wait period on the interview day.
 
Good luck to all you Tuesday people (and everyone else of course) :luck::xf::luck:
 
Aw thanks!

I am excited about DC. My parents are coming too. Does anyone know if they can tag along on the tour?? They want to see the faclities as well.
 
I do not think that you should bring your parents to interview day. Maybe have them tour the school the before or the day after your interview. I have not seen anyone with their parents since I have been on the interview trail.
 
Aw thanks!

I am excited about DC. My parents are coming too. Does anyone know if they can tag along on the tour?? They want to see the faclities as well.

DO NOT bring your parents to the interview. That is not how it works and it would not look good.


Maybe spend the day prior to or the afternoon after the interview to tour the city.
 
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