2009-2010 Case Western Reserve University Application Thread

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Well, see, this little red star with a "1" in the center popped up over the postage stamp on my dock. This is clearly indicative of a pressing communique that needs to be addressed immediately.
Obviously, your subscription to this thread is interfering with your schoolwork. All I can say is that you'd better not miss rous sarcoma virus on your next test. :meanie:

Actually, the truth is that I have completely forgotten what rous sarcoma virus is and what it does. Is that the chicken one? I seem to remember it has something to do with chickens. Or maybe I'm making that up. 😳
 
Obviously, your subscription to this thread is interfering with your schoolwork. All I can say is that you'd better not miss rous sarcoma virus on your next test. :meanie:

Actually, the truth is that I have completely forgotten what rous sarcoma virus is and what it does. Is that the chicken one? I seem to remember it has something to do with chickens. Or maybe I'm making that up. 😳

That is indeed the chicken one in which the viral gene bore a striking resemblance to one normally found in ze chicken.👍

Actually, I hadn't gotten any notice of activity from this thread, so I decided to check it anyway as the notifications I get are fairly intermittent and seem to have no relation at all to how often I check.😏
 
That is indeed the chicken one in which the viral gene bore a striking resemblance to one normally found in ze chicken.👍
See, I was paying attention in MY rous sarcoma seminar. :meanie:
 
See, I was paying attention in MY rous sarcoma seminar. :meanie:

How about your immunology lecture(s)? Explain to me why I'd see eosinophilia in the thymus of a 12 year old human.

(That is actually a legitimate question! I might swing by lab later and take a picture of the slide...)
 
That is indeed the chicken one in which the viral gene bore a striking resemblance to one normally found in ze chicken.👍

Actually, I hadn't gotten any notice of activity from this thread, so I decided to check it anyway as the notifications I get are fairly intermittent and seem to have no relation at all to how often I check.😏

Why are you even learning this in block 2?
 
Why are you even learning this in block 2?

We're currently going over oncogenesis.👍

This week's theme: "genes gone astray."

I think I told vc that it was "genes gone wild," but I was clearly mistaken.:laugh::roflcopter:
 
How about your immunology lecture(s)? Explain to me why I'd see eosinophilia in the thymus of a 12 year old human.

(That is actually a legitimate question! I might swing by lab later and take a picture of the slide...)
Hmm, maybe they stopped in for tea (cells, that is. Get it? :meanie:)

Eosinophilia....occurs in parasitic reactions, allergic reactions, and interestingly, Addison's disease. One of my medicine attendings mentioned the last one, and I didn't believe him until I looked it up and saw it for myself. Seriously, I don't know why you'd have eosinophils in the thymus. When I googled it, I saw you could have eosinophilia in Hodgkin's lymphoma and CML. Is that what you're learning about? Please respond, I must know why there would ever be eosinophils in the thymus!

Now that I think about it, it can't be CML, because you said he was a 12-year-old.
 
Hmm, maybe they stopped in for tea (cells, that is. Get it? :meanie:)

Eosinophilia....occurs in parasitic reactions, allergic reactions, and interestingly, Addison's disease. One of my medicine attendings mentioned the last one, and I didn't believe him until I looked it up and saw it for myself. Seriously, I don't know why you'd have eosinophils in the thymus. When I googled it, I saw you could have eosinophilia in Hodgkin's lymphoma and CML. Is that what you're learning about? Please respond, I must know why there would ever be eosinophils in the thymus!

Now that I think about it, it can't be CML, because you said he was a 12-year-old.

You need to know that CML can occur in childhood. Also eosinophilia can be a sign of low cortisol levels, thus its presence in Addison's disease.
 
Any idea when CCLCM-Case will be sending out the next batch of interview invites? Its been almost 2 months since completion lol. I wonder if thats a hold?
 
Hey! How was your trip back home? Ever get anybody to go to Cedar Point?

No, I got tires, oil change and alignment. I went through MI on my way back! I wanted to avoid tolls so I ended up going all the way to Ann Arbor lol
 
You need to know that CML can occur in childhood.
Not for medical students, it can't. One of my Step 2 resources makes the excellent point that in real life, anything can be anything. But they can't do that to preclinical students on their exams, or to clinical students on the boards, because otherwise we won't be able to figure out what diagnosis is being tested. 🙂

Also eosinophilia can be a sign of low cortisol levels, thus its presence in Addison's disease.
Right, that's what I looked up. I hadn't ever heard of that before my attending mentioned it. Kind of cool.

Oh, and I want you to know how honored I am to have an attending from UCSF take the time to drop in on this thread to teach me about eosinophilia. 😉

Any idea when CCLCM-Case will be sending out the next batch of interview invites? Its been almost 2 months since completion lol. I wonder if thats a hold?
Did you check your Iapply status page? If there's nothing, you might want to contact the UP office. For CCLCM, I'm not sure if you'll get any info, but you could try calling them too.
 
got a case/cclm interview last night! very excited. i was complete sept. 8th for anybody who's interested
 
Did you check your Iapply status page? If there's nothing, you might want to contact the UP office. For CCLCM, I'm not sure if you'll get any info, but you could try calling them too.

Nothing new on iapply. thanks for the advice, ill wait til it officially hits 2 months then call. 🙂
 
Nothing new on iapply. thanks for the advice, ill wait til it officially hits 2 months then call. 🙂

Complete 8 weeks and 3 days at CCLCM + case w/no iapply updates. May call them today to see what's up.
 
Hmm, maybe they stopped in for tea (cells, that is. Get it? :meanie:)

Eosinophilia....occurs in parasitic reactions, allergic reactions, and interestingly, Addison's disease. One of my medicine attendings mentioned the last one, and I didn't believe him until I looked it up and saw it for myself. Seriously, I don't know why you'd have eosinophils in the thymus. When I googled it, I saw you could have eosinophilia in Hodgkin's lymphoma and CML. Is that what you're learning about? Please respond, I must know why there would ever be eosinophils in the thymus!

Now that I think about it, it can't be CML, because you said he was a 12-year-old.

See, this is the part where I disappear for a month and say nothing.:meanie:


Actually, I have no idea why there were so many eosinophils in the thymus (well) beyond the normal levels. We just happened to be looking at slides of thymus, spleen, and lymph nodes in histo lab. This particular thymus slide, though, had a ton (and I mean a ton) of eosinophils roaming around--more in vascularized areas, but also pretty far into the parenchyma of the thymus. We looked for macrophages, neutrophils, and plasma cells to check if it were a more general sort of proliferation en masse of leukocytes, but we didn't see any. We asked around a little, but no one there at the time had any idea what might've caused the eosinophils to localize to the thymus...

Also, we're not doing anything vaguely related to that in lecture, so this is unfortunately a rather independent observation...
 
See, this is the part where I disappear for a month and say nothing.:meanie:


Actually, I have no idea why there were so many eosinophils in the thymus (well) beyond the normal levels. We just happened to be looking at slides of thymus, spleen, and lymph nodes in histo lab. This particular thymus slide, though, had a ton (and I mean a ton) of eosinophils roaming around--more in vascularized areas, but also pretty far into the parenchyma of the thymus. We looked for macrophages, neutrophils, and plasma cells to check if it were a more general sort of proliferation en masse of leukocytes, but we didn't see any. We asked around a little, but no one there at the time had any idea what might've caused the eosinophils to localize to the thymus...

Also, we're not doing anything vaguely related to that in lecture, so this is unfortunately a rather independent observation...
This is such a let-down. I thought I was going to hear about the latest and greatest in thymus eosinophilia research from you, but my excitement was obviously premature. Well, at least now I know that they're not teaching you guys stuff on the UP side that they're holding out on us. :meanie:
 
Hey I've got a question. Is it too late to apply to CCLCM now? I've already applied to Case, but I didn't apply to CCLCM before, could I still add it now?
 
This is such a let-down. I thought I was going to hear about the latest and greatest in thymus eosinophilia research from you, but my excitement was obviously premature. Well, at least now I know that they're not teaching you guys stuff on the UP side that they're holding out on us. :meanie:

Did you try hyaline membrane disease? I seem to remember my college-level immunology professor mentioning it briefly during one of our lectures a few weeks ago as being associated with thymic eosinophilia. Could be remembering this completely wrong, but just a thought.
 
Hey I've got a question. Is it too late to apply to CCLCM now? I've already applied to Case, but I didn't apply to CCLCM before, could I still add it now?
Sure, the secondary deadline is December 15. Call the UP office and ask them to open your secondary again so that you can fill out our essays.

I just took a look at your MDapp. You said you had a part-time job in a research lab. Is that your only research experience, and how serious of a job was that? What I mean is, if you were basically working as a tech, your app probably won't be successful at CCLCM. It isn't enough to just spend time in a lab. They are looking for people who did some independent research where they were testing a hypothesis. The rest of your app looks great though, especially your volunteering background. If you have some significant research experience, I think you should apply.

Did you try hyaline membrane disease? I seem to remember my college-level immunology professor mentioning it briefly during one of our lectures a few weeks ago as being associated with thymic eosinophilia. Could be remembering this completely wrong, but just a thought.
Yeah, I saw those links too. First human study that comes up if you google eosinophilia with thymus is this Pediatrics article from 1959. But it looks like that study was done on fetuses and newborns, not twelve-year-olds!
 
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Sure, the secondary deadline is December 15. Call the UP office and ask them to open your secondary again so that you can fill out our essays.


Yeah, I saw those links too. First human study that comes up if you google eosinophilia with thymus is this Pediatrics article from 1959. But it looks like that study was done on fetuses and newborns, not twelve-year-olds!

Thank you very much! Do you know where I can find the secondary essays for CCLCM so I can get started right now? Also, is there additional secondary application fee and how much?
 
Thank you very much! Do you know where I can find the secondary essays for CCLCM so I can get started right now? Also, is there additional secondary application fee and how much?

here are the 2 prompts (there is no extra fee)


CCLCM Small Group Essay:

(Required for CCLCM Applicants) Please select one of the following questions:

How would you prioritize between personal and group responsibilities?

If you were working on a small group project and another student didn't carry their load, how would you handle it? Please limit your essay to 300-1000 characters and leave a blank line between paragraphs. If you cut and paste your essay from a word processing program, be sure to place your cursor at the end of the pasted text and click on the space bar. This assures that the program will save your text correctly.

CCLCM Areas of Improvement Essay:

(Required for CCLCM Applicants) Targeted areas for improvement are identified by our students at the end of each year. Other than knowledge, what would you identify as an area that is not a strength for you? Design a plan how you could improve it. Please limit your essay to 500-1000 characters and leave a blank line between paragraphs. If you cut and paste your essay from a word processing program, be sure to place your cursor at the end of the pasted text and click on the space bar. This assures that the program will save your text correctly.


 
Thank you very much! Do you know where I can find the secondary essays for CCLCM so I can get started right now? Also, is there additional secondary application fee and how much?
They're posted in this thread somewhere and also in the pre-allo forum. Just do a search and you'll find them. Or maybe one of the current applicants will be nice enough to type them again for you. There is no additional secondary fee. Once you've paid for Case's secondary, you've paid for ours too.

Just to make sure you saw the part I added to my last post:
I just took a look at your MDapp. You said you had a part-time job in a research lab. Is that your only research experience, and how serious of a job was that? What I mean is, if you were basically working as a tech, your app probably won't be successful at CCLCM. It isn't enough to just spend time in a lab. They are looking for people who did some independent research where they were testing a hypothesis. The rest of your app looks great though, especially your volunteering background. If you have some significant research experience, I think you should apply.

Edit: ok, brooklynblunder has already posted them. Strong work, man. 👍
 
here are the 2 prompts (there is no extra fee)


CCLCM Small Group Essay:

(Required for CCLCM Applicants) Please select one of the following questions:

How would you prioritize between personal and group responsibilities?

If you were working on a small group project and another student didn't carry their load, how would you handle it? Please limit your essay to 300-1000 characters and leave a blank line between paragraphs. If you cut and paste your essay from a word processing program, be sure to place your cursor at the end of the pasted text and click on the space bar. This assures that the program will save your text correctly.

CCLCM Areas of Improvement Essay:

(Required for CCLCM Applicants) Targeted areas for improvement are identified by our students at the end of each year. Other than knowledge, what would you identify as an area that is not a strength for you? Design a plan how you could improve it. Please limit your essay to 500-1000 characters and leave a blank line between paragraphs. If you cut and paste your essay from a word processing program, be sure to place your cursor at the end of the pasted text and click on the space bar. This assures that the program will save your text correctly.




Thanks man!
 
They're posted in this thread somewhere and also in the pre-allo forum. Just do a search and you'll find them. Or maybe one of the current applicants will be nice enough to type them again for you. There is no additional secondary fee. Once you've paid for Case's secondary, you've paid for ours too.

Just to make sure you saw the part I added to my last post:


Edit: ok, brooklynblunder has already posted them. Strong work, man. 👍

Well, I've done more than just washing dishes and preparing reagents, but I haven't exactly had a chance to formally design and conduct a project either. What I've been doing has been using my ECE background to assist the PI in his research. I've designed a few computer programs independently to facilitate his research projects, also improved sectioning technique by quite a lot resulting in improved efficiency with our most difficult projects. Do you think I could get a look with something like this?
 
Well, I've done more than just washing dishes and preparing reagents, but I haven't exactly had a chance to formally design and conduct a project either. What I've been doing has been using my ECE background to assist the PI in his research. I've designed a few computer programs independently to facilitate his research projects, also improved sectioning technique by quite a lot resulting in improved efficiency with our most difficult projects. Do you think I could get a look with something like this?
Ok, I wasn't sure what you meant when you said you worked in a lab part-time. I just wanted to make sure you knew that you need to be involved in hypothesis-driven research as opposed to working as a tech. But you don't have to have designed and conducted your own project from scratch. If you were the one who designed those programs, and you can explain the purpose, hypothesis, and application of the overall project, then yes, I think you'd have a shot. Besides the prompts that brooklynblunder posted, make sure you write the research essay also. It's required for CCLCM but not the UP, so you might not have done it before. Oh, and if your PI didn't write you a LOR, you should get him to write you one, because that's a CCLCM requirement too. I think that covers all the main requirements, but you might want to read over the CCLCM admissions process page.
 
No, I got tires, oil change and alignment. I went through MI on my way back! I wanted to avoid tolls so I ended up going all the way to Ann Arbor lol

I work a block off I-94 all day! I assume you came through town that way? I could've have taken you out for the best eggplant this side of Cleveland 😎
 
So, already interviewed at Case (and loved it, by the way - everyone who has an interview coming up here should be excited) and I received the letter from CCLCM about them "welcoming my interest in my program" should I choose to apply. I'm not really considering applying, but do they send that out to all Case applicants, or interviewees? Just wondering.

I interviewd at case and received no such letter if that helps
 
Ok, I wasn't sure what you meant when you said you worked in a lab part-time. I just wanted to make sure you knew that you need to be involved in hypothesis-driven research as opposed to working as a tech. But you don't have to have designed and conducted your own project from scratch. If you were the one who designed those programs, and you can explain the purpose, hypothesis, and application of the overall project, then yes, I think you'd have a shot. Besides the prompts that brooklynblunder posted, make sure you write the research essay also. It's required for CCLCM but not the UP, so you might not have done it before. Oh, and if your PI didn't write you a LOR, you should get him to write you one, because that's a CCLCM requirement too. I think that covers all the main requirements, but you might want to read over the CCLCM admissions process page.

I did write the research essay and my PI did write one of my LORs, but I think I told him to focus more on my personal aspects than my research achievements. Do you think I should ask him to write another one?
 
this Pediatrics article[/URL] from 1959. But it looks like that study was done on fetuses and newborns, not twelve-year-olds!

Yeah, the best I found was a paper from 1998 or 1999 that just told me that eosinophils are common in the thymus from 0-2, and virtually unseen after 11.🙁

I also keep seeing links about t-cell dependent eosinophilia in other tissues, but not that specifically reference eosinophils in the thymus...

Edit: Also, UpToDate has some interesting things to say on the subject, though it doesn't reference the thymus specifically...

st0w emailed our path professor, so there may be some hope for us yet...


Oh, SN2ed, I'm totally sorry I didn't get to meet you on Thursday or Friday.:cry: On Thursday, my relatives decided to drop in. On Friday (I was supposed to be your second Q&A 1st year), I ended up covering RAMP (one of our clinical exposure things) for a sick classmate.🙁

On the upside, I got to see twins delivered by c-section.👍 Pretty cool.😎
 
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I did write the research essay and my PI did write one of my LORs, but I think I told him to focus more on my personal aspects than my research achievements. Do you think I should ask him to write another one?
Hmm, I think what you should do is talk to your PI about it. Tell him that you want to apply to CCLCM now too and that it's like applying for an MD/PhD program. Ask him if he thinks his letter would be appropriate for an MD/PhD application research letter. If not, and he's willing to write another one that focuses on research, then it's probably a good idea. By the way, I'm assuming that you sent fewer than six letters so far. If you've already sent six, I wouldn't send a seventh without calling the admissions office to ask permission first.
 
Hm... do most students at CCLCM and Case have cars? Do you guys sort of feel obligated to buy AWD due to the snow? :scared:

I think I heard during financial aid talk that people probably need cars..
 
Hm... do most students at CCLCM and Case have cars? Do you guys sort of feel obligated to buy AWD due to the snow? :scared:

I think I heard during financial aid talk that people probably need cars..

With regard to all wheel drive, Cleveland's not particularly hilly, so it shouldn't make that much of a difference. I have a front-wheel drive car and have no issues in the winter here. I'll let a student answer the "do you need a car?" question.
 
Hm... do most students at CCLCM and Case have cars? Do you guys sort of feel obligated to buy AWD due to the snow? :scared:

I think I heard during financial aid talk that people probably need cars..
Most people in both programs do have cars, especially for the clinical years. At CCLCM, they will tell you it's best to have a car for the first two years also, because some people get sent out to remote locations for their longitudinal clinics. There are a few people who get by without cars, but it does make your life a lot easier in many ways to have one. As for the AWD versus front-wheel drive, that's going to depend on personal preference, I guess. Personally, I would go for AWD, although plenty of people get by just fine with regular front-wheel drive. But if you already have a reliable car, you probably don't need to sell it for an AWD.
 
Oh, SN2ed, I'm totally sorry I didn't get to meet you on Thursday or Friday.:cry: On Thursday, my relatives decided to drop in. On Friday (I was supposed to be your second Q&A 1st year), I ended up covering RAMP (one of our clinical exposure things) for a sick classmate.🙁

On the upside, I got to see twins delivered by c-section.👍 Pretty cool.😎

Watching the c-sections sounds like fun.

It felt like my interview day was packed since we were constantly running late. The only time I saw the first years was during your lecture, but I didn't want to yell out eggplant while the Prof was talking. Surprisingly, I actually knew the first hour of the lecture. Thank you biochem, you will be helpful for about one hour of medical school 😉

Gez though, I think I'm going to get placed on the waitlist (hopefully not rejected). My group was FULL of insane candidates. There were 3 from Stanford, a couple from Harvard, one from Yale, another from UC Berkeley, etc. Plus, ALL of them had already been to 5-8 interviews. A few already had acceptances. This was my freaking first interview this year. When I heard all that, I thought, "well, it was nice knowing you Case."

I'm still annoyed how I got waitlisted at two schools last year that "draw heavily from the waitlist to fill up their class." Of course, said schools ended up taking only a few off the waitlist. One school in particular said they fill up 3/4 of their class from the waitlist, only to take 10 total last year.
 
Christian said that some candidates will get reviewed this Monday... anyone know how soon after decisions will be released?
 
Christian said that some candidates will get reviewed this Monday... anyone know how soon after decisions will be released?

I can't speak to this specifically, but I interviewed here on 9/29, and our interview group had decisions by the 15th, so Case seems to be pretty quick in their responses.
 
I'm still annoyed how I got waitlisted at two schools last year that "draw heavily from the waitlist to fill up their class." Of course, said schools ended up taking only a few off the waitlist. One school in particular said they fill up 3/4 of their class from the waitlist, only to take 10 total last year.

I know exactly what you mean. That's why I am always skeptical when people talk about the waitlist, holds, and things like that. Waitlists = folders in a file cabinet that are never looked at again, unless you write them, and even then it may not come out to be "re-reviewed". But still, I can never help hoping for the best.

But last year didn't seem like a great year for waitlist movement, at least from my lowly, singular perspective. It seems to vary by year; last year apparently had a large number of people get in from post-interview hold, but not necessarily true for previous years, so you never know.

But :luck::xf:
 
I know exactly what you mean. That's why I am always skeptical when people talk about the waitlist, holds, and things like that. Waitlists = folders in a file cabinet that are never looked at again, unless you write them, and even then it may not come out to be "re-reviewed". But still, I can never help hoping for the best.

But last year didn't seem like a great year for waitlist movement, at least from my lowly, singular perspective. It seems to vary by year; last year apparently had a large number of people get in from post-interview hold, but not necessarily true for previous years, so you never know.

But :luck::xf:

scary..i dont know if you guys remember just a few years ago when having anything over a 3.6 and 30 MCAT was considered really competitive...now it seems like you need a 3.8 and 35 MCAT to be considered competitive...med school admissions is exponentially increasing in terms of competitiveness by the year...dont want to be a pessimist and really hope i am wrong but i would not be surprised if getting off the waitlist will be even more difficult this year..i should have applied years ago when i had the chance lol
 
scary..i dont know if you guys remember just a few years ago when having anything over a 3.6 and 30 MCAT was considered really competitive...now it seems like you need a 3.8 and 35 MCAT to be considered competitive...med school admissions is exponentially increasing in terms of competitiveness by the year...dont want to be a pessimist and really hope i am wrong but i would not be surprised if getting off the waitlist will be even more difficult this year..i should have applied years ago when i had the chance lol

A doctor I did research with, who is now nearing retirement and a leader in his field, would always joke with me that if he were applying to medical school today, no one would take him.

It's a crazy thought.
 
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Gez though, I think I'm going to get placed on the waitlist (hopefully not rejected). My group was FULL of insane candidates. There were 3 from Stanford, a couple from Harvard, one from Yale, another from UC Berkeley, etc. Plus, ALL of them had already been to 5-8 interviews. A few already had acceptances. This was my freaking first interview this year. When I heard all that, I thought, "well, it was nice knowing you Case."
scary..i dont know if you guys remember just a few years ago when having anything over a 3.6 and 30 MCAT was considered really competitive...now it seems like you need a 3.8 and 35 MCAT to be considered competitive...med school admissions is exponentially increasing in terms of competitiveness by the year...dont want to be a pessimist and really hope i am wrong but i would not be surprised if getting off the waitlist will be even more difficult this year..i should have applied years ago when i had the chance lol
I really hate seeing people say things like this that are self-defeating and out of perspective. You guys need to remember that SDN is far from being representative of the average pre-med. In the real world, most MATRICULATING med students don't come in with stats like that. If you look at the AAMC data (bottom chart), the averages for allo med school matriculants have only increased slightly over the past decade, from 3.56 to 3.66 GPA and from 30 to 31 MCAT. That's hardly an exponential increase! So, paki20, a 3.6/30 would still be considered competitive, while a 3.8/35 would be extremely competitive.

As for schools that people come from, it shouldn't discourage you, SN2ed. Instead of looking at it like, OMG, these people are such insane candidates, look at it this way: they may have attended Harvard and Stanford and wherever else, but guess what, you got just as far as they did (i.e., to this interview). That's not to make light of their achievements, because obviously they are strong candidates to have so many interviews. But, don't sell yourself short either. You wouldn't have gotten that interview if the UP adcomm didn't think you were a competitive candidate. They don't give away interviews for no good reason. Think for a minute about how much time and effort goes into making an interview day happen: coordinating volunteers (interviewers, tour guides, student panels, etc.), reserving interview rooms, ordering the catered meals, etc. Now multiply that by three times a week and multiply it again by six months, rinse and repeat it all again next year. The point is that it's a HUGE undertaking requiring tons of human, financial, and other resources for the med school to interview you guys. For those of you who interview at both programs, the med school will do all of this for you not once, but twice. Believe me, the Case admissions offices aren't going to so much trouble for the sheer fun of it!

What it comes down to is that both Case programs care about fit. The adcomms recognize that it takes more than just straight As from a brand-name school and a 40+ MCAT to make the kind of physician that Case wants to turn out. Have some confidence in yourselves and some faith in the process, because as imperfect as it is, it works fairly well much of the time in weeding out the wrong candidates and choosing the right ones. There are already a few people posting on this thread who didn't get in anywhere last year but already have acceptances this year. They're not inherently any smarter or better than you are. They just figured out what they needed to do to make it happen, and they did it. You can, too.

A doctor I did research with, who is now nearing retirement and a leader in his field, would always joke with me that if he were applying to medical school today, no one would take him.
Heh, I often make that joke about CCLCM, that it's a good thing I jumped on this bandwagon before it became a bandwagon. But seriously, who knows? Medical school admissions (and medicine itself) is so different now than it was in the 1960s or 1970s when your PI trained that he can't even say if he would have wanted to go to the 21st century version of med school at all.
 
Once again a great post by CCLCMer.

I have been lurking around this thread for a while but now that my interviews are a couple weeks away I want to know if CCLCM has a student host program or should I try requesting my Case host to let me stay another night?
 
I have been lurking around this thread for a while but now that my interviews are a couple weeks away I want to know if CCLCM has a student host program or should I try requesting my Case host to let me stay another night?
Yes, we do. You should have gotten the hosting info with your interview invite. If you didn't, call the admissions office tomorrow and ask for it. Remember, start calling from the middle or bottom of the list instead of the top to avoid problems with A-fatigue. (A-fatigue = hosting burnout by people whose last names start with A. :d)
 
I really hate seeing people say things like this that are self-defeating and out of perspective. You guys need to remember that SDN is far from being representative of the average pre-med. In the real world, most MATRICULATING med students don't come in with stats like that. If you look at the AAMC data (bottom chart), the averages for allo med school matriculants have only increased slightly over the past decade, from 3.56 to 3.66 GPA and from 30 to 31 MCAT. That's hardly an exponential increase! So, paki20, a 3.6/30 would still be considered competitive, while a 3.8/35 would be extremely competitive.

As for schools that people come from, it shouldn't discourage you, SN2ed. Instead of looking at it like, OMG, these people are such insane candidates, look at it this way: they may have attended Harvard and Stanford and wherever else, but guess what, you got just as far as they did (i.e., to this interview). That's not to make light of their achievements, because obviously they are strong candidates to have so many interviews. But, don't sell yourself short either. You wouldn't have gotten that interview if the UP adcomm didn't think you were a competitive candidate. They don't give away interviews for no good reason. Think for a minute about how much time and effort goes into making an interview day happen: coordinating volunteers (interviewers, tour guides, student panels, etc.), reserving interview rooms, ordering the catered meals, etc. Now multiply that by three times a week and multiply it again by six months, rinse and repeat it all again next year. The point is that it's a HUGE undertaking requiring tons of human, financial, and other resources for the med school to interview you guys. For those of you who interview at both programs, the med school will do all of this for you not once, but twice. Believe me, the Case admissions offices aren't going to so much trouble for the sheer fun of it!

What it comes down to is that both Case programs care about fit. The adcomms recognize that it takes more than just straight As from a brand-name school and a 40+ MCAT to make the kind of physician that Case wants to turn out. Have some confidence in yourselves and some faith in the process, because as imperfect as it is, it works fairly well much of the time in weeding out the wrong candidates and choosing the right ones. There are already a few people posting on this thread who didn't get in anywhere last year but already have acceptances this year. They're not inherently any smarter or better than you are. They just figured out what they needed to do to make it happen, and they did it. You can, too.

I've been placed on hold even though I got great reviews from my interviewer. Does it all come down to stats?
 
I've been placed on hold even though I got great reviews from my interviewer. Does it all come down to stats?

How do you know you got great reviews? Did you see what the interviewer wrote in their feedback?

And no, it doesn't come down to stats. At the interview stage, I would say stats plays a very small role. If stats were a problem, you wouldn't have been invited in the first place.
 
How do you know you got great reviews? Did you see what the interviewer wrote in their feedback?

And no, it doesn't come down to stats. At the interview stage, I would say stats plays a very small role. If stats were a problem, you wouldn't have been invited in the first place.

The interviewer told me I'm a great applicant, well-rounded, good fit ....blah, blah. I'm guessing they say that to everyone? Or may be I read too much into it.....
 
Not sure. Not much verbal correspondence from him. Looked a little unexcited though.

If you didn't click as well with your student interviewer, that's probably why you didn't get accepted outright. Both interviews are important.
 
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