2009-2010 Case Western Reserve University Application Thread

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Yay. My interview is coming up Friday next week. I'm looking forward to meeting you guys. If any of you Case people want to meet up, post up here and I'll PM you when I'll be there and my contact info. I usually keep my PM box closed (I get too many MCAT questions with it open), so tell me if you want to meet up.


LAman10: Here's a post I found.

http://casemed.case.edu/admissions/docs/The%20Entering%20Class%20of%202009%20for%20website.pps

UP
Applications: 4859
Interviews: 930
Matriculants: 156

CCLCM
Applications: 1,150
Interviews: 246
Matriculants: 32

MSTP
Applications: 284
Interviews: 78
Matriculants: 11

I know that doesn't answer your question about how many are admitted, but those numbers generally aren't released by schools. Some do release them, but I don't think Case does. A good guideline I used when applying was that schools generally admit two to three times the number of matriculants. So if you figure Case admitted 350 to get a class size of 156 in the UP, that's a better than 33% chance of admission if you're interviewed.

Now, with that said, don't be worried if you interview early and aren't admitted right away. They'll give you more details on interview day, but Case admits a very small percentage of the class right up front. So don't fret if you aren't admitted at the earliest possible moment, it doesn't mean you've been rejected!

EDIT: NB, I can only comment on the UP admissions process. I did not apply to CCLCM or MSTP. So keep that in mind.
 
Yay. My interview is coming up. I'm looking forward to meeting you guys. If any of you Case people want to meet up, post up here and I'll PM you when I'll be there and my contact infor.


LAman10: Here's a post I found.

Well, I don't know how fair it is to either program to compare each other on class size alone. Technically CCLCM is a college within Case and the degree conferred is from Case, and they have access to the resources of the whole medical school...for now...

Anybody out there want to opine on the rumored/posted thoughts about a CCLCM / CWRU breakup and a CCLCM / Columbia hookup? What's the skinny from the insiders? Is there any truth to this chatter?

-vc7777
 
I know CCLCM accepts like 30 people or some crazy small number like that, but how many do they interview? and also, what's the acceptance rate? just curious, as mayo's is one of the smallest in the nation (I think because of their small class size) and I was wondering if it would be the same situation for CCLCM
The class size is 32.

I am not sure how old the data that SN2ed posted are, because I seem to remember there being more like 1300+ apps with 250 interviewed last year. But to answer your question, somewhere around 55 people were accepted out of approximately 250 interviewed last year. This year, we anticipate that the number of applications will be higher, the number of interviews will be the same, and the number of acceptances cannot be predicted at this time.

Well, I don't know how fair it is to either program to compare each other on class size alone. Technically CCLCM is a college within Case and the degree conferred is from Case, and they have access to the resources of the whole medical school...for now...
Actually, it is very fair, because the stats quoted are for each individual program, NOT for the entire school. Keep in mind that the admissions offices and adcomms are essentially independent. Applications to CCLCM do not count toward the UP total unless the applicants apply to both programs.

Anybody out there want to opine on the rumored/posted thoughts about a CCLCM / CWRU breakup and a CCLCM / Columbia hookup?
Wow, vc7777, are you just finding out about Bill Clinton sleeping with that woman? :laugh:

So seriously, the CEO did look into changing affiliations a couple of years ago, but the deal fell through. This was all chronicled in the Cleveland Plain Dealer. As far as I know, no further talks with Columbia have occurred.

What's the skinny from the insiders? Is there any truth to this chatter?
There are always rumors circulating about CCLCM changing affiliations from Case to other schools, or breaking off from Case and forming our own school the way Mayo did. You now know exactly as much about it as I do. :shrug:
 
im looking forward to cclcm (and case as well!)

the clinic is obviously a private hospital, so i'm wondering about what kind of patients would a student get to interact with. are they mostly privately insured?
 
the clinic is obviously a private hospital, so i'm wondering about what kind of patients would a student get to interact with. are they mostly privately insured?
Yes, although CCF provides millions of dollars worth of charity care each year. Here's a recent article discussing both the charity care and general community benefits provided by Cleveland hospitals.
 
do you find students taking an extra year to extend their research (esp if its laboratory based and they are working with transgenic mice or knocking down genes in cells it would take a while)
 
do you find students taking an extra year to extend their research (esp if its laboratory based and they are working with transgenic mice or knocking down genes in cells it would take a while)
Some do. In fact, one of the students in the class that just graduated decided to stay and get an entire PhD. I'm not sure how many other people are taking an extra year (or three!) to continue their research, but it's definitely possible.
 
is CCLCM a PhD granting institution?
LMAO, man are you full of questions tonight!

No, CCLCM (and CCF in general) is not a degree-granting institution at all. All of the graduate and medical students at CCF (there are PhD students here as well as CCLCM students) receive their degrees through Case.

Anything else I can answer for you before I start getting ready for bed? :laugh: 😛
 
what kind of feeling(s) do you get when you look over at the Lake? Can you see Canada?
 
CCLCMer, you may already be in bed, but...

This student that you mentioned who is doing a PhD... How did that work? I applied to both CCLCM and the MSTP, am more interested in the structure of the medical curriculum at CCLCM, but prefer PhD > MS.

So I saw your previous post and the wheels started spinning... can you elaborate any? Did the year of research conducted through CCLCM (or any of the medical classes) apply to his PhD, or did this person essentially start an entirely separate degree after graduating from CCLCM?
 
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CCLCM and Case Interview....complete 8/12. Really didn't think this was going to happen...For those of you still waiting, don't give up hope.
 
CCLCMer, you may already be in bed, but...

This student that you mentioned who is doing a PhD... How did that work? I applied to both CCLCM and the MSTP, am more interested in the structure of the medical curriculum at CCLCM, but prefer PhD > MS.

So I saw your previous post and the wheels started spinning... can you elaborate any? Did the year of research conducted through CCLCM (or any of the medical classes) apply to his PhD, or did this person essentially start an entirely separate degree after graduating from CCLCM?
You can apply your "year of research" to your PhD if you decide to do that (I think I remember that question coming up during our interview day).

You have to do more research than that though. You start with basic science research rotation the summer before, and you do a clinical research rotation after 1st year. Then you add your full year of research during year 3, 4, or 5. The adcom said they don't mind if you decide that you want to get a PhD while you're researching. Oh, and not everyone gets an MS. Some just do a year of research and forget about the extra class needed for an MS/MPH or whatever else.
 
I was justs wondering if it was bad to postpone a CCLCM interview (right now on Nov 9) to around a week or 2 later on, so I could have another interview at a diff school on Nov 9 instead (to get experience before going to CCLCM)

Is setting the date later for CCLCM worse since their admissions is rolling? Or is it OK, cause their subcommittee meets on Dec 15 to review all the interviewees before that date?

Hope that made sense!
 
So, If I wanted to go to Intercontinental Suite hotel.. (8800 Elucid Avenue).. Take RTA Red line to E105 then take a bus?

Man.. This is going to be a lot of hassle with a carry on + laptop.. Are there spaces in the train usually or is it cramed?

I checked on the google and if I get off from RTA at E105 Rapid Station then I'd have to walk 22 minutes. So I guess I'd have to take bus..

Is the ticket transferrable? So if I bought one at the airport I can use as many times as I want in 2 hours or something?
 
So, If I wanted to go to Intercontinental Suite hotel.. (8800 Elucid Avenue).. Take RTA Red line to E105 then take a bus?

Man.. This is going to be a lot of hassle with a carry on + laptop.. Are there spaces in the train usually or is it cramed?

I checked on the google and if I get off from RTA at E105 Rapid Station then I'd have to walk 22 minutes. So I guess I'd have to take bus..

Is the ticket transferrable? So if I bought one at the airport I can use as many times as I want in 2 hours or something?

The train is usually pretty empty. Don't walk from the E105 rapid station. The E105 station is in a bad area. I would suggest taking the RTA to Tower City then taking the health line or a cab to the CCF campus.

Tickets are not transferable.
 
So, If I wanted to go to Intercontinental Suite hotel.. (8800 Elucid Avenue).. Take RTA Red line to E105 then take a bus?

Man.. This is going to be a lot of hassle with a carry on + laptop.. Are there spaces in the train usually or is it cramed?

I checked on the google and if I get off from RTA at E105 Rapid Station then I'd have to walk 22 minutes. So I guess I'd have to take bus..

Is the ticket transferrable? So if I bought one at the airport I can use as many times as I want in 2 hours or something?

It sounds to me like you are staying in the same general area that I was staying in. What I did was take the red line to tower city station and get off there. Then I went and caught the healthline, which goes straight down Euclid. I think there is a stop at like 86th St, which is right where you need to be. Check out the RTA website to see all the routes and exactly where you need to get off.

Also, you can get an all day pass for RTA but it costs a little more, and be sure you don't accidentally buy a senior/child RTA ticket like me. I don't know why the ticket machine lists senior/child as the first option and adult as the second option. I was not happy when I found that out, and they took my ticket and made me buy a new one.
 
Yay. My interview is coming up Friday next week. I'm looking forward to meeting you guys. If any of you Case people want to meet up, post up here and I'll PM you when I'll be there and my contact info. I usually keep my PM box closed (I get too many MCAT questions with it open), so tell me if you want to meet up.


LAman10: Here's a post I found.

Awesome! Thanks for the info... even if it's old (as CCLCMer said), at least it gives a good idea.

The class size is 32.

I am not sure how old the data that SN2ed posted are, because I seem to remember there being more like 1300+ apps with 250 interviewed last year. But to answer your question, somewhere around 55 people were accepted out of approximately 250 interviewed last year. This year, we anticipate that the number of applications will be higher, the number of interviews will be the same, and the number of acceptances cannot be predicted at this time.

wow, I am very honored to be among those interviewees. Any idea how many interview at CCLCM on any given day?
 
CCLCMer, you may already be in bed, but...

This student that you mentioned who is doing a PhD... How did that work? I applied to both CCLCM and the MSTP, am more interested in the structure of the medical curriculum at CCLCM, but prefer PhD > MS.

So I saw your previous post and the wheels started spinning... can you elaborate any? Did the year of research conducted through CCLCM (or any of the medical classes) apply to his PhD, or did this person essentially start an entirely separate degree after graduating from CCLCM?
Haha, yes, sorry, I was already in bed. 😀

I'm not privy to all the details, but my understanding is that he is continuing the research he was doing while he was a CCLCM student. Basically, you take a leave of absence from med school while you do your PhD. I would talk to Dean Franco when you come for your interview. She'll be able to give you a better idea about how it's done than I can.

CCLCM and Case Interview....complete 8/12. Really didn't think this was going to happen...For those of you still waiting, don't give up hope.
Congrats! :soexcited:

You can apply your "year of research" to your PhD if you decide to do that (I think I remember that question coming up during our interview day).

You have to do more research than that though. You start with basic science research rotation the summer before, and you do a clinical research rotation after 1st year. Then you add your full year of research during year 3, 4, or 5. The adcom said they don't mind if you decide that you want to get a PhD while you're researching. Oh, and not everyone gets an MS. Some just do a year of research and forget about the extra class needed for an MS/MPH or whatever else.
Pretty much.

I was justs wondering if it was bad to postpone a CCLCM interview (right now on Nov 9) to around a week or 2 later on, so I could have another interview at a diff school on Nov 9 instead (to get experience before going to CCLCM)

Is setting the date later for CCLCM worse since their admissions is rolling? Or is it OK, cause their subcommittee meets on Dec 15 to review all the interviewees before that date?

Hope that made sense!
Our admissions is semi-rolling, not rolling. If you interview in late November, you would still be considered at the first subcommittee meeting on December 15. Anyone who interviews before December 15 (even December 14!) can still be considered then.

The train is usually pretty empty. Don't walk from the E105 rapid station. The E105 station is in a bad area. I would suggest taking the RTA to Tower City then taking the health line or a cab to the CCF campus.

Tickets are not transferable.
I agree.

Don't get off the Red Line at E 105th Street, Homoochan. Like icemann77_7 said, taking the Red Line and changing at Tower City to the Health Line is probably the best option. The Health Line buses come every 10-15 minutes all day long, so you won't have to wait around. After you get on the Health Line, you would get off at either the 105th Street or 93rd Street stops. The hotel is off 100th Street and Carnegie, so it's pretty much the same walk regardless. If I were doing it, I'd probably get off at 105th and walk diagonally across campus. But if I were you and didn't know my way around, I think I'd get off at 93rd Street and go in the main entrance to the hospital so that you can get directions from the greeters.

I just ate some baba at Taza and it made me think of this thread.
Nice! 👍

wow, I am very honored to be among those interviewees. Any idea how many interview at CCLCM on any given day?
Usually there are around 4-6. I've seen as few as one and I think the most is 8. The person who interviewed alone, wow, talk about getting individualized attention! Regardless, there are often more students than interviewees in the room at lunchtime and wrap-up. The one time I went to lunch so far this year, almost the entire first year class stopped by after they got out of PBL, and I think the four applicants who were there that day got a little overwhelmed. :laugh:

Both programs go out of their way to make the interviewees feel at home. You're going to have a great time, LAman10.
 
Actually, it is very fair, because the stats quoted are for each individual program, NOT for the entire school. Keep in mind that the admissions offices and adcomms are essentially independent. Applications to CCLCM do not count toward the UP total unless the applicants apply to both programs.
Well, I am under the weather and laying low, I guess I'll chalk much of this whole post to Nyquil but here goes:

I think I was trying to say it does any program a disservice to equate necessarily smaller-is-better and larger-is-worse for the general aspiring student...Having said that...CCLCM is waaaay cooler 😍...that might be the sour grapes talking, though since I was rejected by mayo right up front in the beginning of July before most people I know even started their primaries...I swear they have a random number generator that waits X number of days after your money clears to make it seems like they didn't screen me out hard-and-fast...🙄.
 
Wow, vc7777, are you just finding out about Bill Clinton sleeping with that woman? :laugh:

So seriously, the CEO did look into changing affiliations a couple of years ago, but the deal fell through. This was all chronicled in the Cleveland Plain Dealer. As far as I know, no further talks with Columbia have occurred.
My bad...I was partly hoping to drum up some fine intellectual talk about the future of the school...but we have a "failure to start"...we had a great push with the eggplant talk. But things are sputtering again... and we are almost within 100 posts of Mayo too...🙂

Say, anybody here more about this whole 'World is Round' theory?
 
Gosh.. I'm struggling to think of an answer for why cleveland question..

I've never been to Ohio or Cleveland and don't know anything about them other than cleveland is dangerous by reading the Interview Feedback.

I guess I can say something like oh it's dangerous so everyday I can be grateful that I'm alive or if I'm killed I can be assured someone will call dibs on my organs! I don't think that'll fly well though..

I Wikied cleveland and found out cleveland is also called C-town so I can also make C with my hand and yell out "C-Town! Woot!"

I don't know..
 
Yes, although CCF provides millions of dollars worth of charity care each year. Here's a recent article discussing both the charity care and general community benefits provided by Cleveland hospitals.

Serious question, what about clinical rotations abroad? Would that be handled through Case? Also, I know lots of schools offer opportunities to do research/rotations at other un-affiliated hospitals in the U.S. provided special permissions are made?
 
Well, I am under the weather and laying low, I guess I'll chalk much of this whole post to Nyquil but here goes:

I think I was trying to say it does any program a disservice to equate necessarily smaller-is-better and larger-is-worse for the general aspiring student...Having said that...CCLCM is waaaay cooler 😍...that might be the sour grapes talking, though since I was rejected by mayo right up front in the beginning of July before most people I know even started their primaries...I swear they have a random number generator that waits X number of days after your money clears to make it seems like they didn't screen me out hard-and-fast...🙄.
I agree. CCLCM or Mayo wouldn't be good fits for everyone. I would also argue that judging a school by stats like number of apps, number interviewed, and number accepted is pretty bogus. It doesn't factor in any of the subjective things that are important to a lot of people, like geography. I bet if Case were in Boston, all three programs would get twice as many applications (or more) than we get being in Cleveland. Take a look in the MSAR at how many applications the east coast schools and California schools get, and you'll see what I mean.

Hope you feel better. My sore throat turned out to be a false alarm. Or maybe that flu shot I got a few weeks ago did its job this time. 😀
 
how do you like the small class size? are most of the class cool (as in welcoming/approachable)?
 
Gosh.. I'm struggling to think of an answer for why cleveland question..

That's tough, my advice talk it through [yeah, yeah, yeah CCLCMer, I talk too much...😀]

Sit down with someone close to you and have them ask you until they are satisfied with your answer. It's in there, you just gotta pull it out of you.

Then, take that answer and refine it until it is succinct. Refine, not edit...don't lie.

Support your reasons with objective evidence from your experiences in college and volunteering and research etc...
 
Only a couple dozen people will have interviewed before you do, so it looks like it's all about you taking one for the team, man. Make sure you come back in a week and post your interview feedback to get things started. 😀

:idea: Haha! I'll post an anonymous interview feedback too on Wednesday! Look for it folks! Shhh...no one will ever know it's me 😏
 
Gosh.. I'm struggling to think of an answer for why cleveland question..
Why not? 😀

I've never been to Ohio or Cleveland and don't know anything about them other than cleveland is dangerous by reading the Interview Feedback.
I hadn't ever been to Ohio before either. I don't think anyone asked me "why Cleveland" at my interviews. But if someone does ask you, I think that question really means, "why Case/CCLCM?" It's not like anyone expects you to move here away from all your friends and family in another state just for the hell of it!

As for being dangerous in Cleveland, I don't think it's any worse than a lot of other cities. Ever visited Detroit, Baltimore, or LA? :scared:

I guess I can say something like oh it's dangerous so everyday I can be grateful that I'm alive or if I'm killed I can be assured someone will call dibs on my organs! I don't think that'll fly well though..
It will certainly be an original answer. :laugh:

I Wikied cleveland and found out cleveland is also called C-town so I can also make C with my hand and yell out "C-Town! Woot!"
Haha, I have NEVER heard anyone call Cleveland C-town. I have heard people call it "the Cleve."

Serious question, what about clinical rotations abroad? Would that be handled through Case? Also, I know lots of schools offer opportunities to do research/rotations at other un-affiliated hospitals in the U.S. provided special permissions are made?
Definitely possible. Case offers several official international electives to Mexico, Dominican Republic, Thailand, and I think Honduras. CCLCM just started a new unlisted (unofficial) elective to Peru. You can also apply to do away rotations at other medical schools. This is fairly common for fourth year students. I plan to do an away next year.

brooklynblunder said:
how do you like the small class size? are most of the class cool (as in welcoming/approachable)?
Uh-oh, you again. I'm limiting you to three questions per night. You've just used up two of them. Ok, I'm kidding. You can ask four questions tonight because I'm feeling generous. :meanie:

Question #1: I thought the small class size was a plus. I like being in an environment where people know each other. You have to come to CCLCM with the understanding that you can't hide here. There are no lecture halls to sit in the back of, your profs and attendings will all know your name, and your classmates will know a lot about your personal life. It's kind of like a family, or a small town. It's good because everyone is close, but sometimes it's also bad because everyone is close. 😉

Question #2: I would say that pretty much everyone is welcoming and approachable. Of course, there will be some people who you click with more than others, but overall, I can't say there is anyone in my class who I would call unapproachable or unwelcoming. Please realize, however, that I am highly biased. One salt lick comes free of charge with this response to your question.
 
When Lebron goes to NY this summer, what effect will it have on the clinic, as clinic sponsors the team? Also, do students have the opportunity to run stress tests on Shaq?
 
I mean I know why "CCLMC" but not why "cleveland" the city itself.

I actually have countless reasons why I want to go to CCLMC!!!! (NO TUITION)

Oh well.. More google + Wiki searching.. 😀
 
Support your reasons with objective evidence from your experiences in college and volunteering and research etc...
Haha, what objective evidence from your experiences in college, volunteering and research do you have to prove that you want to come to Cleveland as a city? :laugh:

Seriously, like I already said, I think that question means why this school, not why this city.

I hope I am better tomorrow...the only thing I want to give the folks in Cleveland is a good impression...not ebola
I hope you're better too. Just so you know, I already had my flu shot. I refuse to get the flu this year, even though I spent this entire week having sick adults and children cough and sneeze on me for eight hours per day. The second that H1N1 vaccine comes out, I'm going to be the first deltoid muscle in line for it.

:idea: Haha! I'll post an anonymous interview feedback too on Wednesday! Look for it folks! Shhh...no one will ever know it's me 😏
Hey, I'll write it for you. What do you say? :laugh:
 
you're from canada right? isn't it pretty close to you? like cant you swim across?

How did you know I'm from Canada?? 😱

I can definitely swim there.. How long should I swim if it takes a plane to get there hm.. I don't know.. 8 hours..? I just need to pack lots of JagerBOMB
 
i am pretty sure you either said it on another thread (vandy i think) or somewhere else. plus you PMed me before, so I would remember

i mean, i just know.
 
How many of yall have been put on hold? Just wondering...
 
When Lebron goes to NY this summer, what effect will it have on the clinic, as clinic sponsors the team? Also, do students have the opportunity to run stress tests on Shaq?
Question #3: We will have to find someone else to operate on.

Question #4: They tried to get one of us to do it, but no one wanted to wait the ten hours it would take to max out his exercise capacity. Besides, if he fell down during the test, could you pick him back up? I sure couldn't!

I mean I know why "CCLMC" but not why "cleveland" the city itself.

I actually have countless reasons why I want to go to CCLMC!!!! (NO TUITION)

Oh well.. More google + Wiki searching.. 😀
That's what I'm saying. If you get asked "why Cleveland," you should interpret it as meaning, "Why CCLCM?"

However, if you persist in misspelling my school's name as CCLMC, I am going to tell Dean Franco that you are really trying to get into the Connecticut Construction Labor Management Council. 😛

that H1N1 vaccine will be a rare commodity for the regular patient population
By the time the vaccine comes out, they'll all be immune already anyway. :meanie:

Two of my attendings were talking today, and one said that a patient was getting Relenza (a flu drug) since that patient had H1N1. I was kind of confused, and asked them how you could tell clinically whether a patient has regular flu or H1N1. I mean, flu symptoms are flu symptoms, right! It turns out that you can't tell. The attending just called it H1N1 because the vast majority of the flu cases coming to the ED are H1N1 and not regular flu, and the statistics favored him calling it H1N1. 😛
 
That's what I'm saying. If you get asked "why Cleveland," you should interpret it as meaning, "Why CCLCM?"

It's the old PR trick. Don't answer the question they asked, answer the question you wish they'd asked 😀
 
Ouch...shot across the bow...That's a trick question...Cleveland is a step up so he wouldn't be asking this question...
YOU really might get asked this question. You know, just so the interviewer can see if you get defensive and all. :laugh:

Where!? You aren't telling or you don't know...
I haven't even decided on a specialty yet, never mind picked an away rotation!


:laugh: I'm slow...this was like a long-wick joke bomb...BOOM!
Bwahaha. :boom:

It's the old PR trick. Don't answer the question they asked, answer the question you wish they'd asked 😀
No, I'm serious. Does it make sense to ask someone with no ties to Ohio why they want to come to Cleveland as a city in this context? If it weren't for the med school, Homoochan wouldn't be coming to visit here.
 
So I looked at the Euclid/120th station. Yeah, it's not so much of a station as a plastic overhang. I guess I will use the University stop after all. Is the rapid transit station next to the stop open at night? Is it just some vending machines and a bathroom? It doesn't looks like a big place.
 
No, I'm serious. Does it make sense to ask someone with no ties to Ohio why they want to come to Cleveland as a city in this context? If it weren't for the med school, Homoochan wouldn't be coming to visit here.

While I agree with you, I think a lot of the questions asked at interviews are a little silly. Asking an applicant what appeals to him about the area where he may spend the next 4-5 years of his life makes more sense than some questions I've been asked so far this cycle.
 
So I looked at the Euclid/120th station. Yeah, it's not so much of a station as a plastic overhang. I guess I will use the University stop after all. Is the rapid transit station next to the stop open at night? Is it just some vending machines and a bathroom? It doesn't looks like a big place.
More context needed, please. Are you trying to get to Case from the airport on the Red Line?

As far as I know, there is no bathroom or vending machines at the University Rapid station. Basically, you just get off the train and go downstairs, and there is a ticket window and a door out. Even if there were a bathroom, using public transportation restrooms is always risky business. Some of those toilets are an evolving life form that is more intelligent than most medical students.
 
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