2010-2011 Case Western Reserve University Application Thread

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I've updated them a time or two and just sent it via the email that always sends application updates - i.e. the general admissions email address. I don't know if it helps to send it directly to one of the deans, but I would think that might be crossing some sort of line. I figure that they have a kabillion applications to look at, so by sending an update it's just more to read. I send it to the general email so that it can be added to my file and looked at if someone wants to read it, but I don't necessarily feel comfortable about making people read it. Then again, that might be a not-aggressive-enough strategy....


I didn't think about it possibly coming off out of line...I've read about people generally preferring to email it straight to the dean if they could find an email address; I suppose I assumed this was more beneficial to the applicant?

Any other opinions?
 
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I didn't think about it possibly coming off out of line...I've read about people generally preferring to email it straight to the dean if they could find an email address; I suppose I assumed this was more beneficial to the applicant?

Any other opinions?
Um, curlytop, you forgot to call top. :smack:
I take it back. GammaMike knows my identity
Oooo then who's GammaMike? (I imagine one of the multitude of Mikes...isn't there also a Mike Prime or something?)
Btw, GG on your guess! (Unless there was a squealer 😏 )
 
hey guys, curious question... Do you have any insight as to why Case interviews so many applicants? I mean, many schools with similar class sizes get away with interviewing only half as many.

I apologize if this topic has already been discussed, I guess I'm just getting nervous for my own interview. 😳 Those statistics seem fairly daunting.
 
I didn't think about it possibly coming off out of line...I've read about people generally preferring to email it straight to the dean if they could find an email address; I suppose I assumed this was more beneficial to the applicant?

Any other opinions?

I don't really think it's out of line so much as it's maybe inconveniencing someone unnecessarily (i.e. diminished returns). I just feel odd about sending an update directly to someone who is probably incredibly busy with other things rather than someone who might be working on preparing applications anyway. I feel like it's saying "read my application right now". Maybe that's the right thing to do in this process though.... So much ambiguity sometimes.

hey guys, curious question... Do you have any insight as to why Case interviews so many applicants? I mean, many schools with similar class sizes get away with interviewing only half as many.

I apologize if this topic has already been discussed, I guess I'm just getting nervous for my own interview. 😳 Those statistics seem fairly daunting.

I'm wondering this too... It's a little unnerving knowing that you aren't as much of a sure thing here just because you have an interview. But then again, there really is no such thing as a "sure thing" in this process.
 
hey guys, curious question... Do you have any insight as to why Case interviews so many applicants? I mean, many schools with similar class sizes get away with interviewing only half as many.

I apologize if this topic has already been discussed, I guess I'm just getting nervous for my own interview. 😳 Those statistics seem fairly daunting.

While I am not on, nor have any association with the admissions committee, I would guess that the larger volume of applicants interviews is purposeful. While I'm sure that Case could easily interview a fraction of the applicants that they do and fill the class, that is not their aim. The Case adcom takes painstaking efforts to "craft" the most diverse, well-balanced, and high quality class that it can. This is a very unique program here at Case, and as such, it is not a perfect fit for everyone. This is something that the adcoms are very upfront about from the start. Not everyone learns effectively in our small group format. This is not a discredit to the abilities of those people, only a reality of different learning styles. Therefore the adcoms try their best to select people who they think would not only benefit and thrive in this program, but also contribute to its growth.

I hope this answers your question.

Regarding your interview, don't get caught up in the statistics of things or you could drive yourself crazy. The important thing at this point is that Case offered you an interview and that means that they have an interest in you as a potential student. The interview day here is all about getting to know you as a person, so just relax and knock it out. :luck:
 
I didn't think about it possibly coming off out of line...I've read about people generally preferring to email it straight to the dean if they could find an email address; I suppose I assumed this was more beneficial to the applicant?

Any other opinions?

I don't really think it's out of line so much as it's maybe inconveniencing someone unnecessarily (i.e. diminished returns). I just feel odd about sending an update directly to someone who is probably incredibly busy with other things rather than someone who might be working on preparing applications anyway. I feel like it's saying "read my application right now". Maybe that's the right thing to do in this process though.... So much ambiguity sometimes.

Have either one of you tried calling Admissions to ask the best location to send an update letter?

I'll see if I can stop by Admissions tomorrow and ask the best location to send an update email. I'll update the page when I find out.
Stay tuned... 😎
 
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Wow! :smack: That's why I'm the pre-med and you're the med student. :bow:

I feel so dumb, really dumb, foreal.

No worries 😀. Btw, I enjoyed the link. I haven't seen that one in awhile, haha.


Have either one of you tried calling Admissions to ask the best location to send an update letter?

I'll see if I can stop by Admissions tomorrow and ask the best location to send an update email. I'll update the page when I find out.
Stay tuned... 😎

I talked to Admissions today and here's the lowdown on update letters:
If you really feel like you have something important to update to your file then send it to [email protected]. This is the Admissions secretary and she can make sure that it gets into your file. It is worth emphasizing that more updates, or longer updates does not mean "better". Quality and conciseness are the name of the game here. Minor updates to your file such as tweaks to your research project or a new class grade are not really that important and likely do not require an update letter. I will let you all use your discretion about what constitutes a major update.

Regarding checking on the status of your application:
Please be considerate to the Admissions staff in that they have to process 5000-6000+ applications every year. If you submitted 8-12 weeks ago and have heard nothing back about the status of your application, then a call to check on your status is likely warranted. Submitting last week and calling to check this week is a bit premature.

I hope this helps answer some questions floating around out there! :luck:
 
This is random and probably has been answered already in this 30+ page thread but here it goes: can some Case students tell me some of the positives/best parts of being at Case (University Program)? Like what are some unique features of the curriculum/grading system, etc. What is the typical day like for a Case student (class 8-12 or longer)?

I looked at Case's website and its somewhat helpful but not really. I noticed there are exam weeks and multiple classes occur at the same time...so does that mean there are no exams between exam weeks?

Sorry if this has been answered, before but I didn't really feel like sifting through the many pages of this thread. Or if you could point me to the page that has these questions answered, that would be great! I'll be interviewing here in Jan and wanted to get a feel for Case's program.

Thanks!
 
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Many apologies for my lengthy absence. I was a) studying for exams, b) in Cincinnati without the (omg!) internets for the weekend (blasphemy, I know), and then c) caught the endospore express for a 12-hour involuntary core exercise marathon 🙂cry🙂, before returning to Cleveland only to find that the first years are holding their own.😉
 
Question: does the UP interview day actually take until 4PM? Is there any chance I could leave a little earlier?

I'm hoping I can get home by 7 or 8PM the night of my interview (google maps says it's a 3 hour drive if I take the turnpike, but it could very well be snowing by late November) so that I can teach my physics students, who will freak out if I cancel on them that week because they have an exam. :/
 
Question: does the UP interview day actually take until 4PM? Is there any chance I could leave a little earlier?

I'm hoping I can get home by 7 or 8PM the night of my interview (google maps says it's a 3 hour drive if I take the turnpike, but it could very well be snowing by late November) so that I can teach my physics students, who will freak out if I cancel on them that week because they have an exam. :/

We've been tending to end a little earlier this season due to some interview day restructuring, but if you call the office with your concerns, we're usually pretty good about working things out so that your day ends a little earlier.🙂
 
Many apologies for my lengthy absence. I was a) studying for exams, b) in Cincinnati without the (omg!) internets for the weekend (blasphemy, I know), and then c) caught the endospore express for a 12-hour involuntary core exercise marathon 🙂cry🙂, before returning to Cleveland only to find that the first years are holding their own.😉

Well welcome back Myuu. Hopefully you took a dose of Block 5 for that endospore express :laugh:. We've been managing our best without your shining presence.
 
This is random and probably has been answered already in this 30+ page thread but here it goes: can some Case students tell me some of the positives/best parts of being at Case (University Program)? Like what are some unique features of the curriculum/grading system, etc. What is the typical day like for a Case student (class 8-12 or longer)?

Pros:
1) No grades - completely P/F first two years
2) IQ is fun - case-base learning/PBL done right
3) Days usually end at 12, which usually 2 hours of lecture in there. Your times is your own.
4) Optional thursdays...very nice when a week really gets to you: you can relax or get up early and be super productive. Your choice.

Cons:
1) Anatomy being longitudinal can be a turn off for some
2) Exams are spaced out very far - turn off for some
3) Most lectures aren't videostreamed, but hey there's only 2 hours of lecture a day might as well go

I looked at Case's website and its somewhat helpful but not really. I noticed there are exam weeks and multiple classes occur at the same time...so does that mean there are no exams between exam weeks?

Yeah, exams are really far apart. Each block has multiple subjects, but they are integrated together. Block 3, which us M1s are in now, starts with biochem and nutrition for 4 weeks, then is GI for 6 weeks, then exams. They're put in the same block because they are related, and come up in exams through clinical vignettes.

We also do anatomy and histology alongside the physiology and pathology. So in Block 2, we did endocrine and reproduction, as well as corresponding histopathology and pelvic anatomy. In Block 3, we're doing gastro, so we're doing abdomen in anatomy. It's interesting and unique, but the downside is that we smell like cadavers routinely about once a week, and there really isn't a defining moment where you can be like "I'm done with anatomy! Yipee!" because once you're done with anatomy you're done with year 2, and you take the boards.
 
hi guys, long time no see!

Now that I've had a few weeks for the acceptance news to settle in I've realized I have a lot of questions about Case! So here goes...

1) I'm not a lecture person but I definitely like structure in my curriculum. Do you guys find that you really know what things you need to be focusing on during your study time? Are there learning objectives each week? Or do you find yourself figuring out for yourself what you should be covering during your study time?

2) How useful are the lectures? With only a few hours per week in lecture, do you find that the information is too superficial to be really useful?

3) Class is over at noon....now what do you go do?

4) How do you feel about longitudinal anatomy? Would you rather get it over with, or do you find it's easier to integrate all of that information when it's presented over a longer time period?

5) Is there anything you wish you would have known before choosing to matriculate at Case?

6) Can you teach me how to carve an eggplant?

Thanks friends! 😀
 
I'll be interviewing at Case Western in a week, so I'm excited for the trip!

And just wondering: What are some of the most creative ways people have managed to reference eggplants on interview day?
 
hi guys, long time no see!

Now that I've had a few weeks for the acceptance news to settle in I've realized I have a lot of questions about Case! So here goes...

1) I'm not a lecture person but I definitely like structure in my curriculum. Do you guys find that you really know what things you need to be focusing on during your study time? Are there learning objectives each week? Or do you find yourself figuring out for yourself what you should be covering during your study time?
We do! While there is certainly a lot of self-directed learning going on, they're not leaving you high and dry either. Both lectures and IQ cases have suggested readings to give you a good idea of the material you're supposed to learn. Lectures also give you the learning objectives directly, whereas in IQ, you work together with your group to reach a reasonable consensus as to what the case you're investigating will require you to know. It takes a little time to get used to figuring out the level of depth you need to research, but you learn quickly.

2) How useful are the lectures? With only a few hours per week in lecture, do you find that the information is too superficial to be really useful?
The lectures aree hardly superficial. These are perfectly legitimate lectures.:d. They tend to complement the iq cases fairly well most of the time. As to lecture quality, I would say most are good, but as with all lectures some are fantastic and some... Are not. Those that are not are few and far between, however.

3) Class is over at noon....now what do you go do?
That is largely up to you! Do you want to use your study momentum to pull you through the afternoon leaving you free for other pursuits? Are you ready for a break? Do you want to shadow one of the many (very) willing physicians? Peersonally, I chill for an hour or three and then go back to work, unless I have research or shadowing lined up. There's loads of stuff you can do, though, if you want.😀

4) How do you feel about longitudinal anatomy? Would you rather get it over with, or do you find it's easier to integrate all of that information when it's presented over a longer time period?
I rather like it the way it is, as it is a nice way to integrate the normal and pathological states you learn about in lecture and IQ with the anatomical structures. I feel that it is in that way made more relevant.

I've done the all-anatomy-all-the-thing too, though. While that may be a nice way to get it over with (if that's what you're after), it forces more rote memorization than integration and understanding.

5) Is there anything you wish you would have known before choosing to matriculate at Case?
That Cleveland Heights police will ticket you for anything and don't believe in these things called "warnings.". Also, that there are faster ways through the East Side than Mayfield Road.:laugh:

6) Can you teach me how to carve an eggplant?

Thanks friends! 😀
You can be taught, but mastery comes through application, young padawan.
 
Myuu...I actually asked my student interviewer if she knew who you were....:laugh:
 
Is there anything I can do to get off of this interview hold? My iapply says that I will be informed in March if Case decides to interview me.

Is this the sort of thing that they don't review until March (meaning updates won't have an effect) or is it an ongoing review (send in updates)?
 
CWRUSOM/CCLCM Eggplant Potluck 2010, Halloween Style

(CCLCMer, Myuu, vc777777, Iceman, Auriga, a handful of knives and two unwitting eggplants.)

Proof that we can successfully meet in the same exact spot in the space-time continuum successfully at least once in the history of mankind!👍

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I just want you all to know that although two eggplants were indeed harmed in order to create the work of art that shown is the above photo, their deaths were not in vain. I made pasta primavera and included the eggplant guts as part of the vegetables on the pasta. 👍

Loved CCLCM, interviews went well, extremely impressed! Hoping for an acceptance in December !!!
It was great to meet you. Good luck!

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AGAIN
Excellent work. You are becoming a master at this. And I have to say that I absolutely love that the applicants are starting to compete with the students for the top post. :laugh:

So I'm in an extremely privileged situation right now. Was accepted to the UP recently...I'm also holding an acceptance from my home state medical school. I'm absolutely in love with Case's curriculum (especially), atmosphere, students, etc. compared to the other school, but I'm having trouble justifying paying 15k+ more per year to attend Case. Assuming I work my behind off to get a decent finaid package...is Case worth the pricetag? Any advice appreciated!
Definitely wait to see your financial aid package before making a decision. Private schools like Case do cost more, but they also have more non-loan aid to dole out. You also have to consider living expenses, because you are going to pay out the nose if you're going to, say, UCSD even though the tuition itself would be less. When you look at everything together, it may not work out to be more expensive to come here.

The other thing I want to say is that under no circumstances should you let anyone guilt you into giving up either acceptance before you're ready to let it go. Of course you shouldn't hold on to acceptances if you know for sure that you won't attend the school. But until you know for sure, you should keep all of the schools that you are seriously considering attending.

"Surgeons at Cleveland Clinic performed 157 lung transplants in 2009, setting an international record for lungs transplanted in a single year. We completed our 840th transplant since the program's inception in 1990."

Come to Cleveland for all your lung needs. 👍

CCLCM students are encouraged to shadow throughout the hospital and scrub in for surgeries. I assume since there is roughly 2 or 3 of these per week, I am sure there are opportunities to observe.
I've never seen a lung transplant, but I did scrub for a liver transplant. It was one of the most awesome things I have ever seen in my life. I highly recommend it.

Regarding your interview, don't get caught up in the statistics of things or you could drive yourself crazy. The important thing at this point is that Case offered you an interview and that means that they have an interest in you as a potential student. The interview day here is all about getting to know you as a person, so just relax and knock it out. :luck:
I agree. Plus, one thing that a lot of people wrongly assume is that everyone who interviews has an equal chance of getting in. That's obviously not the case. Some people get post-interview rejections and have no chance of getting in. Some people are super competitive and the school wants them to the point that they offer those people a full scholarship. Depending on where you fall in this continuum, your odds of getting an acceptance are adjusted accordingly.

Is there anything I can do to get off of this interview hold? My iapply says that I will be informed in March if Case decides to interview me.

Is this the sort of thing that they don't review until March (meaning updates won't have an effect) or is it an ongoing review (send in updates)?
You can send updates if you have them, but no, there's nothing in particular that you can do to get off hold. As for whether Case continues to review you before March, the logical conclusion is that they must, because they will continue inviting people all fall/early winter as other people cancel their interviews. So March is going to be the latest you hear, not the earliest.

do I get automatically clinic'd if I use my 3000th post in this thread? 🙂
You get vc7777 and Myuu waiting outside your door ready to take you out. :ninja:
 
I've been waiting for over a month for CCLCM to review my application so that at least it can be looked at by the UT. Anyone else in the same boat with me? It's really frustrating...
 
I've never seen a lung transplant, but I did scrub for a liver transplant. It was one of the most awesome things I have ever seen in my life. I highly recommend it.

Transplants sound sooo awesome to me. I don't know if there are medical schools that don't have affiliations with hospitals that do transplants, but I'll only go to a medical school that has clinical affiliates that do transplants. It's one of my dreams to see one being done... I'm supremely jealous!
 
I've been waiting for over a month for CCLCM to review my application so that at least it can be looked at by the UT. Anyone else in the same boat with me? It's really frustrating...

Don't quote me on this, but I am fairly certain that the admissions processes are entirely independent between the CP and UP.
 
So I'm going to preface this by saying I really don't want to sound like a Debbie Downer. I'm asking because I'm honestly interested.

With that out of the way, I noticed that Case is pretty awesome! While rankings (US News) are far from what I'm using to judge where I want to go to school, I noticed that Case has a stellar research ranking and a not as equally stellar primary care ranking. I know this ranking system isn't even very effective at determining the quality of education (i.e. Mayo not participating), BUT, do any students have information as to why it's lower? Is there some silly reason like the med school library is small? I'm definitely very interested in Case and (without having interviewed) think it has one of the best curriculums out there, but am curious about this as well.
 
Don't quote me on this, but I am fairly certain that the admissions processes are entirely independent between the CP and UP.

Too late.

They are effectively independent after the primary. There is communication and approval by Case proper of CP admissions. And there is coordination between the offices, such as setting up back-to-back interview dates if possible, etc. etc.
 
While rankings (US News) are far from what I'm using to judge where I want to go to school, I noticed that Case has a stellar research ranking and a not as equally stellar primary care ranking. I know this ranking system isn't even very effective at determining the quality of education (i.e. Mayo not participating),

BUT, do any students have information as to why it's lower? Is there some silly reason like the med school library is small? I'm definitely very interested in Case and (without having interviewed) think it has one of the best curriculums out there, but am curious about this as well.
CWRU is primarily a RESEARCH institution. they love their research. They want students to go into academic medicine and or continue to participate in research as a physician or to specialize and advance their field of choice. They don't have as good a primary care ranking, because they don't work as hard to prepare students for being a primary care physician IMO... but that's not want CWRU is about. They want their students to "think beyond the possible(TM)" haha

CWRU also doesn't have too small of library. They have two medical related libraries (one has a museum of sorts in it)... and they have tons of stuff online... and if you can't get a book at the library, you can OhioLink it and it will be there in a few days.

See CWRU, you should interview me. 🙂 Just PM me an invite.
 
So, I scrubbed in for a tour of the cardiothoracic ORs with some of my classmates yesterday...CCF has 16 dedicated CT surgical suites at the main campus (and some ridiculous number total). If each room does two procedures per day, that means there are approx. 30 some odd procedures at the main campus every day.

Watched cardioplegia (stopping a beating heart), and cardiopulmonary bypass (pump the patients blood outside their bodies to oxygenate before returning to their bodies). This is done so the surgeons can work on on the hearts. Leaned (almost)over the sterile field and looked down onto the beating heart of a patient...👍

Each suite there has a dedicated heart-lung bypass machine ($$$$) with realtime in-line blood parameter monitoring, 4(!!!) huge flat screen TVs and a crap ton of state-of-the-art medical hardware. The surgeons all wear head mounted cameras and info is displayed War Room style on all the screen.

By OR standards, the rooms are HUGE! Amazing. And it is pretty awesome that they gave us personalized tours (3 students to 1 surgeon) through several rooms and procedures.
 
😱 Uh, Myuu, that isn't how we play the game.

I say something cool...then YOU say something cool.

Burning down the house is NOT cool...:scared:

Although you know from last years post (around pages 20 to 75)...CCLCMer and I have both been there...good luck!
 
CWRU is primarily a RESEARCH institution. they love their research. They want students to go into academic medicine and or continue to participate in research as a physician or to specialize and advance their field of choice. They don't have as good a primary care ranking, because they don't work as hard to prepare students for being a primary care physician IMO... but that's not want CWRU is about. They want their students to "think beyond the possible(TM)" haha

You'd be surprised. They stress primary care a LOT...maybe to make up for the lack of students going into primary care? I don't know. But we got beat over the head with a "become a PCP! do it! do it! don't specialize!" message during Block 1 (but hey, Block 1 is principally taught by family medicine people).

CWRU also doesn't have too small of library. They have two medical related libraries (one has a museum of sorts in it)... and they have tons of stuff online... and if you can't get a book at the library, you can OhioLink it and it will be there in a few days.

See CWRU, you should interview me. 🙂 Just PM me an invite.

Yeah there are a lot of books online, and the health sciences library has all the textbooks you'd ever need on reserve.
 
Ah, it would appear that someone on the sixth floor is a terrible cook, but not especially terrible. Danger has been averted.


For now.

As to the primary care issue, I think the metric for that may be substantially more subjective than that used to measure the research ranking, but both are ultimately useless. (As far as I know.)
 
You'd be surprised. They stress primary care a LOT...maybe to make up for the lack of students going into primary care? I don't know. But we got beat over the head with a "become a PCP! do it! do it! don't specialize!" message during Block 1 (but hey, Block 1 is principally taught by family medicine people).

Yeah there are a lot of books online, and the health sciences library has all the textbooks you'd ever need on reserve.
They do it so they still get a ranking for primary care. kidding. But's good to hear they aren't all research. 😛
 
Speaking of the library, the Dittrick museum at Case and the Cleveland Institute of Arts gave us a back-to-back presentations yesterday regarding images (paintings and photographs) of medical dissections throughout history and images of the human body in art. It was a fascinating lecture.


http://www.cwru.edu/artsci/dittrick/museum/dissection/dissection-home.html

Wermz should take a look at that link... check out the bottom photo/title in the series on the right. i guess tomfoolery is tradition.
 
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