2010-2011 NYU Application Thread

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800th post baby!

Really have no idea what to expect with this school considering the interview was plain chit chat (enjoyable and refreshing though).

Don't think any of us can predict what, if anything, will happen over the next month. They sent out some acceptances unusually early in November so clearly things are different this year than in past years.

Just a :xf:.
 
I actually thought all the students I saw at Einstein looked run-down and unenthusiastic. People at NYU were practically bouncing off the walls. I got a much, MUCH friendlier vibe from NYU, and left Einstein early because I lost interest before the tour was over.

I felt the same, maybe they picked up on that and that's why we were rejected? 🙂

Hopefully I'll have as much luck with NYU as you did!

Same here, also.
 
I actually thought all the students I saw at Einstein looked run-down and unenthusiastic. People at NYU were practically bouncing off the walls. I got a much, MUCH friendlier vibe from NYU, and left Einstein early because I lost interest before the tour was over.

I totally didn't mind getting rejected from Einstein, which was easier to take already holding an NYU acceptance...idk about the whole thing of "vibes." This is one of my favorite posts ever:


I am currently in my 4th year of medical school. I am here to say that most of what people allow to weigh in on their decision to attend medical school is pretty irrelevant. I base this statement on 1) what I took into consideration 2) what other people I met on the trail into consideration 3) talking to prospective applicants 4) discussions with fellow classmates. This is in large part because most information about schools comes from is from first year students, who really have no idea of what the school is like, sales angles of schools attempting to reel in students etc, and random discussions from people who don't know much more than you do.

What is not important:

1) Impression of students: this is bogus, totally bogus. Every school has a fairly similar mix of a few types and if you think you can tell what students are like by meeting the tour guide and 3 other people you are fooling yourself.


A) Gunners- Every american medical school has gunners. Furthermore, your interview process will not allow you to prove or disprove my theory, as these people generally aren't doing interviews. Also don't let anyone tell you that theres no competition at their school because there is always someone who wants to do ortho at the hosp for special surgery, even at DO schools.

Moreover if you are really worried about dodging the "Gunners" then 90% chance that you are one....my observational experience

B) Slackers- These are the real people I'd be worried about: they tend not to show up to stuff and make everyone look bad.

C) Superstars- Every school has these, good schools have a few more.

D) Everyone else (prob 45-60% of a class)

2) Curriculum- Guys I hear this a lot and read this on this board alot....looking back I thought this was a big deal, now I say "who really cares." Here's my breakdown of the issue

A) PBL- you have no background to base your case based learning on...and will not have it until year 2 and probably 1/2 through that (when you start organ system pathology/pathophys). Really how can you expect someone to understand CHF related fluid retention with no prior knowledge of renin-angiotensin and the kidneys...silly

B) lectures vs no lectures- For all practical purposes, you are going to teach your damn selves 90% of the first 2 years.
The reason for this is that most of the first two years really is vocab and getting your mind around a few key concepts so that third year you can actually understand what your residents and attendings are saying. So despite all the hype about new novel ways of learning it boils down to you hanging out with Robbins pathology, a microscope/online slides and a cadaver and figuring it out.

As far as clinical relevant knowledge year 1-2 is more or less the about the same, deal with it. I say this coming from an Ivy so trust me.

3) Quality of facilities- Theres three reasons why this is pretty irrelevant
A) they never show you all the facilities-

B) Does learning in an old building really impact your education

C) When you're trudging in the snow at 4 am to rounds on surgery are you really going to notice or care what the outside of the hospital looks like......highly doubtful

4) extracurricular/social stuff- This is +/-. If you have a passion for playing the violin...can't live without it and are willing to do it despite significant other time committments..this can be a plus

however, do not get the false impression that a medical school class remains this cohesive bunch of social butterflies for 4 years. Generally, everyone is very busy and alot of people are overwhelmed. The attendance at class events dropped preciptiously year 2.

5) early patient contact- I think this is a total sales pitch: To provide an anecdote: It was january of my second year. we were in our physical diagnosis class, having our first group interview with a patient with renal failure and volume overload causing CHF.

so the encounter goes like this.....

A classmate "so what brings you to the hospital today"
patient: "I am having a tough time breathing, it feels like im drowning when I lie flat"
Classmate "that sounds bad"

long silence.

This classmate was a smart guy and ended up being AOA and this was 1 1/2 years into medical school.....

so if thats 2nd year what are you really going to do interviewing patients 1st year.......basically acquire bad habits that you will need to fix later in life. Is it a total waste? no. However do not make this any more than a minor consideration.


Things that are important

1) What is the 3rd year like and how is it structured?:

I almost never hear any real questions or comment from applicants regarding this topic. In the end this is the only real difference between schools, and probably could be the only real question to ask? more specific questions?

a) How are the rotations structured? What is your role on the wards? Do you have a clear role Do you get your "hands dirty" alot, or is it alot of shadowing? This is very important. You really don't learn much by watching people do stuff and if they work you down to a minimal role you will not gain much experience and will suck for several months into internship.

Now I'm not saying you demand the right to cross clamp the aorta during a CABG, but medicine is not a spectator sport and if the school doesn't have a culture of teaching (i.e. alot of patients are private patients, medical students aren't allowed to do anything) it will be a long, boring 3rd year.


2) Where do 3rd year evaluations come from?

Alot of people go in with this attitude "I am here to learn not to get grades." I agree with this attitude 85%. However, using that attitude indiscriminantly is impractical and can lead to some evaulations that you are not too happy with, it happens

You probably can't please everyone equally. This is especially true on surgery and medicine where there is not enough hours in the day.

Thus, the recommendation I make to everyone is to figure out roughly who writes the evaluation and what they expect and make sure you do a really good job on that. I do not recommend kissing up....However, it is really easy at times to get caught up in "which 5 minute presentation do I spend preparing for tomorrow. " This is why if you know who is grading you you can prioritize which person you pull the NEJM articles out for, and who gets the 15 minute before cram session off up-to-date.

Understand however while this happens at all schools (its how the beast works) not all schools do a reasonable job at making this fair or letting you know who is grading you or what you are supposed to do. Thus you should really make an effort to ask questions such as for every rotation do you have an attending directly responsible for evaluating you, or a preceptor (someone not taking care of patients that you are caring for who evaluates your academic abilities and analytic abilities? ideally your grade should come roughly equally from both.

3) Where do the students end up? If you dont want to do primary care, and 75% of school X does. Guess what, you are signing up for 15 weeks of primary care rotations at that school. Conversely, if you want to do general internal medicine or family medicine....and you come to a school that puts out 25 orthopods and 10 neurosurgeons a year.....you will spend alot of time learning about surgeries that you will never perform in your life.


4) How are medical students protected from scut?

If they cannot give you a real answer to this question expect to learn alot about running bloods to the lab and wheeling patients to the CT scanner and very little about managing an MI.

Some schools do a good job of setting up systems to prevent this, however I have also met interns who told me that they failed the surgery shelf because their school was rampant with scut and they didn't learn anything. I think my school did a very good job at scut control, however I have wheeled my share of patients to CT at 2 am.

5) How receptive is the administation to fixing problems and/or disciplining out of line behavior, espcially from residents?

trust me when you have an ID class where the course director is terrible, you will really appreciate it when a new course director is hired the next year.

6) how is the research opportunities at this school?

If you want to end up at an academic program, there will come a time when you will seek papers and if they are not there to be written then you will understand the meaning of this question. If not then forget I mentioned this.

7) how good is this school at focusing on the bread and butter?

This is especially relevant if you are looking at an academic powerhouse type place. Typically alot of times you will find that big tertiary centers tend to be filled with people who A) study esoteric diseases, B) specialize in highly uncommon or speciallized surgeries or diagnostic tests, or C) only doing big commando surgeries on cases people in the community looked at and said no way im touching that.

This is something you may be interested in as an attending or at the end of your residency. However in medical school most of these areas will not be your field and learning the literature on steroid tapers for patients with the CREST syndrome, the signs and symptoms of spinocerebellar ataxia 8 or how to resect a pseudomyxoma peritonei is probably not the best use of time in your only exposure to the area. Its easy to get caught up in that stuff, however good schools recognize the nature of the academic beast and try to make sure that you leave knowing the stages of active labor, how to read an EKG and how to manage childhood asthma.

I hope this helps
mike

So, to each his own...Different things are important to different people...

That said, I'm crossing my fingers for all y'all waiting to hear back as if it were me myself waiting. Yep, the cycle has messed me up that much...haha. Good Luck!!! :luck:
 
Nice. I wish I had read this before interviews.
 
What is scut?

I totally didn't mind getting rejected from Einstein, which was easier to take already holding an NYU acceptance...idk about the whole thing of "vibes." This is one of my favorite posts ever:




So, to each his own...Different things are important to different people...

That said, I'm crossing my fingers for all y'all waiting to hear back as if it were me myself waiting. Yep, the cycle has messed me up that much...haha. Good Luck!!! :luck:
 
Scut is anything a resident makes you do that has no benefit for your medical education. Basically, it's B.S. work.

It may include but is not limited to:

-laundry
-making bed
-buying supplies
-acting as a human alarm clock
-cleaning
-jury duty
-light yard work
-exorcisms
-motorcycle repair
-and of course, picking up food from the cafeteria.
 
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What is scut?

Scut is anything a resident makes you do that has no benefit for your medical education. Basically, it's B.S. work.

It may include but is not limited to:

-laundry
-making bed
-buying supplies
-acting as a human alarm clock
-cleaning
-jury duty
-light yard work
-exorcisms
-motorcycle repair
-and of course, picking up food from the cafeteria.

And, like that guy mentioned, things like running to drop off lab specimens or to get results, wheeling people to radiology, etc.
 
Hey guys,
I hope I didn't upset anyone with my not 100% positive NYU impression but im glad I got some great comments back.

Actually thinking back on interview day the NYU students were enthusiastic and the AE's weren't. I have gotten a very welcoming feel from students I've spoken with since and my interviewer was very sweet at AE. My NYU interviewer was horrible. I completely agree that your interviewer is not representative of whole you'd actually be interactive with at the school.

I love "mike"'s post and I agree. Towards the end of the interview path all the schools seemed the same and in a lot of ways I don't care where I end up. Additionally, a lot of recent grads have said just go where is best for your life situation at the time, whether it be based on location, money etc. The rest is what you make of it.

Does anyone have any info on NYU's 3rd year atmosphere and the level of scut etc? That would be interesting.
Good luck everyone!
 
Does anyone have any info on NYU's 3rd year atmosphere and the level of scut etc? That would be interesting.

++. Very interested to hear more about this as well if anyone with the knowledge would care to share 🙂.
 
Hey guys,
I hope I didn't upset anyone with my not 100% positive NYU impression but im glad I got some great comments back.

Does anyone have any info on NYU's 3rd year atmosphere and the level of scut etc? That would be interesting.
Good luck everyone!

I welcome honest opinions especially if they're not 100% positive - it's an important choice.

++. Very interested to hear more about this as well if anyone with the knowledge would care to share 🙂.

+++

Maybe we could send an email to the ambassador (this might not be the right word) email address? I don't have it with me right now, and I'm not entirely sure that 3rd/4th year students answer emails sent to it. I'll check into it later if someone else doesn't beat me to it.
 
Hey guys,
Does anyone have any info on NYU's 3rd year atmosphere and the level of scut etc? That would be interesting.
Good luck everyone!

First, I think one important thing about "third" year, is that it starts early at NYU. Form another thread, one 4th year/resident says it's important to have elective time during 3rd year, so that you can explore a non-core clerkship if you think you're interested and/or rub elbows with that specialty's faculty for rec letters. The fact that NYU has 2.5 years of clinical makes this a non-issue. You can have all the elective experience you want with plenty of time before applying to residencies. Dude on the thread said that's an important factor to consider that most pre-meds don't.

Second, I have a feeling that Bellevue = minimal scut for NYU students, relative to the hands-on experience. This also goes for Sinai & their Elmhurst hospital.
Now I'm not saying you demand the right to cross clamp the aorta during a CABG, but medicine is not a spectator sport and if the school doesn't have a culture of teaching (i.e. alot of patients are private patients, medical students aren't allowed to do anything) it will be a long, boring 3rd year.
NYU def tries to "sell" Bellevue, but I have a feeling it lives up to the hype. I shadowed at NYU, and the residents (who train all over the medical center) said that Bellevue is in fact "awesome to train at." The private patients prolly goes for a place like Cornell.

That's just my 2 cents
 
it still doesn't seem like anyone who interviewed after ~11/15 or so has received a decision. I was really counting on something happening once February 1st hit, but I guess that was just wishful thinking. They can't possibly have handed out all of their acceptances yet though - I just really hope they don't make us hang on until March. IMPATIENCE IS KILLING ME.
 
The private patients prolly goes for a place like Cornell.

Or Tisch.

Good points, though. And I agree, it seems like the size and type (public) of hospital that Bellevue is lends itself to a lot of hands-on experience.
 
it still doesn't seem like anyone who interviewed after ~11/15 or so has received a decision. I was really counting on something happening once February 1st hit, but I guess that was just wishful thinking. They can't possibly have handed out all of their acceptances yet though - I just really hope they don't make us hang on until March. IMPATIENCE IS KILLING ME.


Me too, I would definitely go to NYU if accepted.
 
I really liked my interview day at NYU. It was short and sweet and they hit all the highlights. I was there in early November, so I fear I may have been passed over, but who knows.

I remember them saying that we'll definitely know by March 1st, which isn't really that far away anymore, so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't release anything before then.
 
completely agree. I interviewed on 11/15....I switched to 11/15 from 11/2 because I was going to NC earlier that week and I would have had to miss work back to back. I'm kicking myself bc I would have had a decision by now. I basically interviewed for the waitlist, by virtue of my interview date. Only if I had known!!

No, NYU hasn't released all of their acceptances. Last year, NYU released acceptances on both Feb 1st and March 1st (or 2nd). NYU DOES accept people in March. Don't think that the two week difference is going to hurt you that much. You just have to wait longer for a decision. Good news might still come!
 
Why don't they release waitlists/rejections with the acceptances? Is there anything to suggest that they re-review earlier interviews and accept them in later rounds?
 
Other than precedence, do we know if they even released acceptances yesterday? It seems to me that in such a big number of applicants represented here (though we are by no means even close to everyone who applied), someone would have heard back and posted here.
 
No, NYU hasn't released all of their acceptances. Last year, NYU released acceptances on both Feb 1st and March 1st (or 2nd). NYU DOES accept people in March. Don't think that the two week difference is going to hurt you that much. You just have to wait longer for a decision. Good news might still come!

Acceptances on March 1st or 2nd? Really? All is see is a ton of waitlists and some rejections. Whether or not the "interviewing for the waitlist" thing is true, I am also kicking myself for not scheduling an earlier interview.
 
Acceptances on March 1st or 2nd? Really? All is see is a ton of waitlists and some rejections. Whether or not the "interviewing for the waitlist" thing is true, I am also kicking myself for not scheduling an earlier interview.


When I interviewed, the admissions people said that only a very small number of acceptances go out in December. I hope that they didn't gave out all their initial acceptances after only a month and a half of interviewing (assuming they started october 1st and only reviewed people until november 15th). Their website says this:

Final Decisions
Acceptance letters will be sent out on a rolling basis, beginning December 15, 2010. Wait list and rejection letters will be sent by March 1st.

To me, that indicates there should be a day inbetween December 15th and March 1st where some acceptances are given out? Perhaps the terrible weather is preventing the committee from meeting at their usual time, delaying decisions?
 
Are "interview invites" done, or is NYU still inviting for interviews this cycle? thanks.
 
When I interviewed, the admissions people said that only a very small number of acceptances go out in December. I hope that they didn't gave out all their initial acceptances after only a month and a half of interviewing (assuming they started october 1st and only reviewed people until november 15th). Their website says this:

Final Decisions
Acceptance letters will be sent out on a rolling basis, beginning December 15, 2010. Wait list and rejection letters will be sent by March 1st.

To me, that indicates there should be a day inbetween December 15th and March 1st where some acceptances are given out? Perhaps the terrible weather is preventing the committee from meeting at their usual time, delaying decisions?

Could be a factor with the numerous winter storms that have hit the northeast repeatedly. I wouldn't be surprised if they still weren't done with interviews due to interview rescheduling because of the weather.
 
Acceptances on March 1st or 2nd? Really? All is see is a ton of waitlists and some rejections. Whether or not the "interviewing for the waitlist" thing is true, I am also kicking myself for not scheduling an earlier interview.

True, last year March was only WLs and rejections. However, last year there were February acceptances.

This year seems more like 2008-2009, where there was one round of early decisions (January I think) and then another in March (nothing in February). For the last two years, NYU has had two rounds of acceptances. We've only had one so far this cycle. There will be more acceptances.
 
perhaps a brave soul should call and ask. nose goes!




(for those who don't know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_nose_game)

I actually called and asked yesterday but forgot to post about it. The woman I spoke to said they don't know when remaining acceptances will be given out, but that all decisions will be made by March 1st, while some may be released before then. Nothing very definitive.

I agree with with what was posted earlier, I think it's fair to expect a second roud of acceptances based on the last two years and the second round may not be until March. The wait is killing me!
 
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I actually called an asked yesterday but forgot to post about it. The woman I spoke to said they don't know when remaining acceptances will be given out, but that all decisions will be made by March 1st, while some may be released before then. Nothing very definitive.

I got a similar response yesterday.
 
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I can't imagine they only take people that interviewed before Nov. 15 ish except from the waiting list. We do know that some non-traditionals have gotten calls earlier regarding their acceptances post-November 15th, which was expected from previous years. So if non-traditional post "Nov.15thers" were accepted, you have to imagine some of us normal folk would also be accepted outright. But who knows.
 
The good news is, February is already 11% over!
 
If anyone needed proof that the admissions process was completely unfair and an example of reverse discrimination, then he need only look at your profile. Congratulations on your latest acceptance and I hope you get into all of the 16 schools that invited you for an interview.

I know this discriminatory statement was posted a couple pages ago, but it's worth revisiting. Whenever people find themselves getting angry about affirmative action they should keep this sort of thing in mind: http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2011/02/persistent-racial-inequalities.html
 
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I know this discriminatory statement was posted a couple pages ago, but it's worth revisiting. Whenever people find themselves getting angry about affirmative action they should keep this sort of thing in mind: http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2011/02/persistent-racial-inequalities.html

Thanks for a really eye-opening, original article. Racial disparities in America? Who knew? Please enlighten me further...

So I'm assuming you believe that since certain minority groups statistically are worse off in this country, it's fair that they should be held to lower standards in graduate school admissions. Because someone with an undergraduate education from a top 5 institution definitely needs and deserves additional assistance when applying to medical school. It's fine if that is what you believe, but please don't act like this belief makes you a better person.

The previous poster's only point was that it's clear that race is a major deciding factor in the med school admissions process, which I don't think anyone on this board would argue against. There was nothing discriminatory or racist about it. It actually seems like the opposite of racism to me, since he thinks it's unfortunate that race still plays such a major role. So how about everyone gets off their self-righteous high horse. Meanwhile, I'm going to wait for my e-mail from the regular admissions office since I don't receive any special treatment.
 
The previous poster's only point was that it's clear that race is a major deciding factor in the med school admissions process, which I don't think anyone on this board would argue against. There was nothing discriminatory or racist about it. It actually seems like the opposite of racism to me, since he thinks it's unfortunate that race still plays such a major role. So how about everyone gets off their self-righteous high horse. Meanwhile, I'm going to wait for my e-mail from the regular admissions office since I don't receive any special treatment.
Regardless of one's stance on the topic, bringing the issue up within the context of this thread was inappropriate. The person posting was trying to be helpful and got a pretty rude comment in response.
 
Thanks for a really eye-opening, original article. Racial disparities in America? Who knew? Please enlighten me further...

So I'm assuming you believe that since certain minority groups statistically are worse off in this country, it's fair that they should be held to lower standards in graduate school admissions. Because someone with an undergraduate education from a top 5 institution definitely needs and deserves additional assistance when applying to medical school. It's fine if that is what you believe, but please don't act like this belief makes you a better person.

The previous poster's only point was that it's clear that race is a major deciding factor in the med school admissions process, which I don't think anyone on this board would argue against. There was nothing discriminatory or racist about it. It actually seems like the opposite of racism to me, since he thinks it's unfortunate that race still plays such a major role. So how about everyone gets off their self-righteous high horse. Meanwhile, I'm going to wait for my e-mail from the regular admissions office since I don't receive any special treatment.

Nice sarcasm, but the point isn't that it's original. The point is that it contains numbers and data. I'm glad you so readily recognize that, Mr. Future Doctor.

Yes I support affirmative action, and yes I think it arguably makes me a better person. Racial disparities are built into society, and I don't think they should be. Affirmative action is one way of working on reversing this. It's sort of like a stimulus from the government during a recession.

You're right that no one would argue that race is a deciding factor in admissions, which is your first clue that the post was inappropriate. They definitely weren't trying to inform anyone, they were pointing it out out of frustration/anger. And while it is unfortunate that race plays a role in admissions, the unfortunateness comes from the disparities that affirmative action is working against. Whereas this person just seems jealous that they aren't getting into the same schools.

Regardless of one's stance on the topic, bringing the issue up within the context of this thread was inappropriate. The person posting was trying to be helpful and got a pretty rude comment in response.

+1
 
This question was asked a few pages back but never addressed, as far as I can tell: What kind of financial aid does NYU hand out? I see in the MSAR that the average indebtedness is rather high, and the NYU website doesn't mention need-based aid. So, do they give out need-based aid?
 
While NYU's website is vague, it does state both that:

The School of Medicine has low-cost educational loans available to students in need.Repayment is deferred while you are a student and interest charges do not exceed six percent in repayment.

and more of what you're looking for I bet:

Scholarship funds are distributed primarily based on financial need in order to attract the most competitive and diverse class.

Not sure if this helps at all, or if you read this already and want more info, but worth noting at least for those who haven't started looking into it yet. 🙂
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704723104576062160742825284.html

So from what I gather, NYU hasn't offered merit scholarships in the past. According to this article, a donor just established a $10 million merit scholarship fund. Anyone know if this will be available to the class of 2015?

I liked NYU, but the cost would be a little hard to justify....

Nice. I want that scholarship 😀

So, since this article was posted a month ago and students are already living in new dorms on 26th St, does that mean they're planning on buying a second building on the same street??
 
So has anyone who interviewed in January heard back yet?
 
Nice. I want that scholarship 😀

So, since this article was posted a month ago and students are already living in new dorms on 26th St, does that mean they're planning on buying a second building on the same street??

I know you checked the article posting, but honestly I can't see them buying two housing dorms.. The current one has the fitness complex like they are saying, so I would really assume that they are talking about the building that already went up. Hopefully that means the scholarships are for this class then.
 
I know you checked the article posting, but honestly I can't see them buying two housing dorms.. The current one has the fitness complex like they are saying, so I would really assume that they are talking about the building that already went up. Hopefully that means the scholarships are for this class then.

Yea, I was thinking that description did sound like the current dorm building. Maybe wsj was just slow to report or something.
 
c'mon NYU, throw me a bone!!!! and please don't forget my sdn friends!
 
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