2011-2012 Virginia Tech Carilion Application Thread

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I am worried about PBL because of the extra time you have to put in creating presentations instead of studying the materials given. Do any current students feel this way? Or are the presentations actually really helpful?

I'm worried about this as well. To current students, do you get like a "learning objctives" or syllabus on Monday (at the beginning of the PBL week) or Friday? Also, what does the preceptor actually do (do they make sure that everyone is contributing equally --and does that go into the grade at all)? Cuz i've been reading alot about PBL and how it's universally hated by everyone in med school that's actually doing it. I.e. they're saying that there's always 1-2 kids who do all the work, 2 kids flirting, 1-2 totally clueless, and another 1 goofing off. These threads paint the picture of PBL being really great in theory/before you go to med school but being hard to implement in real life so that you use the entire time beneficially 😕

also, do you hear from the real life patient and doctor EVERY single friday? I heard it helps a lot if you meet the actual patient to remember the material.
 
I'm worried about this as well. To current students, do you get like a "learning objctives" or syllabus on Monday (at the beginning of the PBL week) or Friday? Also, what does the preceptor actually do (do they make sure that everyone is contributing equally --and does that go into the grade at all)? Cuz i've been reading alot about PBL and how it's universally hated by everyone in med school that's actually doing it. I.e. they're saying that there's always 1-2 kids who do all the work, 2 kids flirting, 1-2 totally clueless, and another 1 goofing off. These threads paint the picture of PBL being really great in theory/before you go to med school but being hard to implement in real life so that you use the entire time beneficially 😕

also, do you hear from the real life patient and doctor EVERY single friday? I heard it helps a lot if you meet the actual patient to remember the material.

Where have you read this? I would like to know more opinions on PBL so that would great if you could help me find more. This is my fear of entering a PBL school as well...
 
I just did a search in the premed allo and med student allo forum for pbl. I also talked to someone who recently graduated from cleveland clinics program which vtech is modeled after.

Also see gdplastics post. Lecture isnt recorded pretty sure. I understand theres mandatory attendance but why cant we get lectures recorded in case we missed something in class?

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Where have you read this? I would like to know more opinions on PBL so that would great if you could help me find more. This is my fear of entering a PBL school as well...
I don't remember where, but I read an article recently finding that students tended to think that PBL was not as good but actually had stronger problem solving abilities than students in a traditional curriculum. Obviously you shouldn't just take my word for it, but just something to keep in mind.
 
"1-2 kids who do all the work, 2 kids flirting, 1-2 totally clueless, and another 1 goofing off [in reference to PBL]" this quote makes me giggle... as if people out there actually think med school is anything like high school... =P

PBL does get a mixed reaction out of students at VTC... but first, a little background on how everything plays out in PBL... you work with a small group of med students(7 total) and 1 facilitator... The cases typically are written to follow the course of a patient or 2 or 3. Monday(2 hours), you see what the patient presented with and it gives you the opportunity to properly formulate and discuss a differential and generate a list of tests you would like to run. On Wednesday(3 hours), you get test results back and you typically base presentations on a confirmed diagnosis. Friday(3 hours) is clean up where we finish presentations and receive last minute case details. Afterwards all students meet in a lecture hall to hold a discussion with patients, family members and physicians involved with the case in a no-holds-barred steel cage match of Q&A. This was the original layout... but some changes have been occurring based on student feedback:

-Students were bothered by having to individually put together 2 presentations a week spending 4+ hours on each. As mentioned, this really cut into study time. Recently, the school has been allowing groups to assign 1 presentation per student per week and allowing us to cater our presentation topics to be more comprehensive, high yield, and relevant.

-The school has organized a set of learning objectives(that are tested on during exam week) they feel you should get from the case and in the past, they wouldn't issue these until Wednesday leaving the groups to guess on LOs for the first set of presentations. Obviously, this would sometimes backfire and groups would present on half a weeks worth of topics irrelevant for the case. This has recently changed and groups have been receiving official LOs on Monday to accomodate the 1 presentation/week policy change. This has also made it easier to free up presentation time slots for groups to use for USMLE review or just go over topics the group was uncomfortable with from any aspect of the medical curriculum.

- Current discussions/complaints are varied and minor in my view... sometimes juggling 3 patient cases in a week(standard in second year) can be tasking and there have been some requests to tone down the case load (a request I am sure is going to be prevalent through our entire careers, ha!)... also, one of the more interesting discussion amongst the students is that PBL does not let the student "fail"... as in, no matter what, we will have the right diagnosis and treatment plan by the end of the week. Some of us feel that this format doesn't motivate us to be better doctors and that it might be more interesting to do away with case objectives and just let the group freely think through a case. They may not get it right the first 10 or so cases, but by the end of the 2nd year, I wouldn't be surprised if groups were batting a 1000 and the academic/professional value of that skill set would be unfathomably great!

- the rest of the criticisms really revolve around the dichotomy you will find in any med school... many students feel that studying for the boards is the ONLY priority and many of the students feel that learning clinical theory and method is the ONLY priority... you wouldn't think the 2 philosophies are mutually exclusive, but sadly, they are very much so... anyways, your USMLE crew typically avoids lecture and buries themselves in any number of board review books... ultimately, they generally don't get along with PBL because, well, PBL isn't necessarily designed to focus all of your studies on boards and that can be seen by some as time wasted. Your clinical crew typically has fun in PBL because its an oppertunity to play doctor in a safe, non-threatening situation! Take it for what you will...

Overall, PBL does have some critics, but I doubt anyone at VTC would say it was a complete waste of time(personally, I had good PBL days and bad PBL days... but overall, I am glad I did it). The material you focus on is typically very high yield for boards and practice. Further, the critical thinking and medical problem solving skill set you acquire is invaluable. One more subtle benefit that I would like to point out is that by working with new group members each block, you are taught how to not only deal and find benefit from people you would typically wish to avoid, but you also form some really strong professional and personal bonds with your fellow classmates. I know all 84(both classes) of my peers at VTC as if they were family. Take GDplastics for example. That guy is intense, driven, and extremely intimidating. Everytime that guy opened his mouth during our first year I had to sit back and rethink my career choices. Hell, that guy even makes some faculty feel out of their league! And, when I was assigned to a group with him, I was terrified. I mean, we all spend several hours putting together top notch 15 minute presentations not to impress faculty, but to perform at the level our group expects us too! Peer motivation is the name of the medical game and working with GDplastics would motivate anyone to feel like they had to already hold an MD and a few PhDs on top of that. Anyways, long story short, not only did I thoroughly enjoy working with him, but I feel I am a going to be a better physician because of it. You'll have a lot of stories like that in PBL.

One final note... Facilitators. You will have facilitators from a wide variety of fields. Clinicians, bio/biomed researchers, nurse practitioners, etc... In my opinion, they are doing their best to ensure that the group stays on track(which occurs naturally in most situations). I enjoyed getting clinicians that could provide little anecdotes of information as you proceed in the case. In the beginning, a lot of them were just trying to figure out their own role in the academic process and you would sometimes get a facilitator that would take over the group and really just get in the way. Today, you don't see that as much. They typically hang back, observe quietly and only interject if the group is way off track. Further, they can provide some great feedback to use to improve your presentation, research, and confidence skill set. In 2 years of VTC you will see 16 facilitators. Will all of them be great? Probably not, but I wouldn't be surprised if you had positive things to say about working with 15 of them.


anyways, sorry for the book... ramble on!
 
"1-2 kids who do all the work, 2 kids flirting, 1-2 totally clueless, and another 1 goofing off [in reference to PBL]" this quote makes me giggle... as if people out there actually think med school is anything like high school... =P

PBL does get a mixed reaction out of students at VTC... but first, a little background on how everything plays out in PBL... you work with a small group of med students(7 total) and 1 facilitator... The cases typically are written to follow the course of a patient or 2 or 3. Monday(2 hours), you see what the patient presented with and it gives you the opportunity to properly formulate and discuss a differential and generate a list of tests you would like to run. On Wednesday(3 hours), you get test results back and you typically base presentations on a confirmed diagnosis. Friday(3 hours) is clean up where we finish presentations and receive last minute case details. Afterwards all students meet in a lecture hall to hold a discussion with patients, family members and physicians involved with the case in a no-holds-barred steel cage match of Q&A. This was the original layout... but some changes have been occurring based on student feedback:

-Students were bothered by having to individually put together 2 presentations a week spending 4+ hours on each. As mentioned, this really cut into study time. Recently, the school has been allowing groups to assign 1 presentation per student per week and allowing us to cater our presentation topics to be more comprehensive, high yield, and relevant.

-The school has organized a set of learning objectives(that are tested on during exam week) they feel you should get from the case and in the past, they wouldn't issue these until Wednesday leaving the groups to guess on LOs for the first set of presentations. Obviously, this would sometimes backfire and groups would present on half a weeks worth of topics irrelevant for the case. This has recently changed and groups have been receiving official LOs on Monday to accomodate the 1 presentation/week policy change. This has also made it easier to free up presentation time slots for groups to use for USMLE review or just go over topics the group was uncomfortable with from any aspect of the medical curriculum.

- Current discussions/complaints are varied and minor in my view... sometimes juggling 3 patient cases in a week(standard in second year) can be tasking and there have been some requests to tone down the case load (a request I am sure is going to be prevalent through our entire careers, ha!)... also, one of the more interesting discussion amongst the students is that PBL does not let the student "fail"... as in, no matter what, we will have the right diagnosis and treatment plan by the end of the week. Some of us feel that this format doesn't motivate us to be better doctors and that it might be more interesting to do away with case objectives and just let the group freely think through a case. They may not get it right the first 10 or so cases, but by the end of the 2nd year, I wouldn't be surprised if groups were batting a 1000 and the academic/professional value of that skill set would be unfathomably great!

- the rest of the criticisms really revolve around the dichotomy you will find in any med school... many students feel that studying for the boards is the ONLY priority and many of the students feel that learning clinical theory and method is the ONLY priority... you wouldn't think the 2 philosophies are mutually exclusive, but sadly, they are very much so... anyways, your USMLE crew typically avoids lecture and buries themselves in any number of board review books... ultimately, they generally don't get along with PBL because, well, PBL isn't necessarily designed to focus all of your studies on boards and that can be seen by some as time wasted. Your clinical crew typically has fun in PBL because its an oppertunity to play doctor in a safe, non-threatening situation! Take it for what you will...

Overall, PBL does have some critics, but I doubt anyone at VTC would say it was a complete waste of time(personally, I had good PBL days and bad PBL days... but overall, I am glad I did it). The material you focus on is typically very high yield for boards and practice. Further, the critical thinking and medical problem solving skill set you acquire is invaluable. One more subtle benefit that I would like to point out is that by working with new group members each block, you are taught how to not only deal and find benefit from people you would typically wish to avoid, but you also form some really strong professional and personal bonds with your fellow classmates. I know all 84(both classes) of my peers at VTC as if they were family. Take GDplastics for example. That guy is intense, driven, and extremely intimidating. Everytime that guy opened his mouth during our first year I had to sit back and rethink my career choices. Hell, that guy even makes some faculty feel out of their league! And, when I was assigned to a group with him, I was terrified. I mean, we all spend several hours putting together top notch 15 minute presentations not to impress faculty, but to perform at the level our group expects us too! Peer motivation is the name of the medical game and working with GDplastics would motivate anyone to feel like they had to already hold an MD and a few PhDs on top of that. Anyways, long story short, not only did I thoroughly enjoy working with him, but I feel I am a going to be a better physician because of it. You'll have a lot of stories like that in PBL.

One final note... Facilitators. You will have facilitators from a wide variety of fields. Clinicians, bio/biomed researchers, nurse practitioners, etc... In my opinion, they are doing their best to ensure that the group stays on track(which occurs naturally in most situations). I enjoyed getting clinicians that could provide little anecdotes of information as you proceed in the case. In the beginning, a lot of them were just trying to figure out their own role in the academic process and you would sometimes get a facilitator that would take over the group and really just get in the way. Today, you don't see that as much. They typically hang back, observe quietly and only interject if the group is way off track. Further, they can provide some great feedback to use to improve your presentation, research, and confidence skill set. In 2 years of VTC you will see 16 facilitators. Will all of them be great? Probably not, but I wouldn't be surprised if you had positive things to say about working with 15 of them.


anyways, sorry for the book... ramble on!

Wow, thanks for the reply.... GDPlastics 😉
 
I also pretty much agree with Freezer re: PBL (his opinion of GDplastics is debatable, ha!). The major advantages of PBL are that you learn the topics you present to your group really, really well and rarely have to review them. You also get experience presenting, teaching, and answering questions, which will be valuable during clinical years. It's fun to "play doctor" and figure out what's going on in each case, and going through cases teaches you to create a systematic way of evaluating a patient so that you don't miss anything important--this is how real physicians approach diagnostics, and it's good to start thinking in that mindset early on. I was also very impressed with the teaching skills of most of my classmates over the past two years--often, a topic which had confused me in lecture was easily clarified by one of my group members who had a better perspective than the lecturer on what a medical student would want/need to know to understand the topic. Finally, you get to know physicians personally, many of whom will be your future attendings (LORs, shadowing opportunities, getting your foot in the door, oh my!)

The major disadvantage of PBL is that it does take up a chunk of time you could otherwise spend studying independently. There's no getting around the fact that (at least at VTC) you have to be in group every M, W, and F morning, and you also have to prepare at least one presentation each week. That being said, you get out of PBL what you put into it--if you make a good presentation and understand your topic, you will know it better than just about anyone, and for a long while. If you come to group with questions to ask your classmates and are invested in learning about that week's case(s), you will have a pretty nice understanding of the presentation, pathogenesis, course, treatment, and complications of that particular disease (or diseases). Then, when you meet the patient on Friday, you'll really cement those details in your mind--at least, it's really helped me remember a bunch of the diseases we've learned about.

My personal opinion is that you're going to be really busy in med school wherever you go, and will have to learn effective time management skills in order to be successful regardless of the curriculum. I definitely would have had more time to study for the Step 1 exam had I spent my first two years doing nothing but memorizing First Aid and the entirety of the BRS series. However, I would be a lot less knowledgeable about clinical decision-making and the differential diagnosis of disease and therefore less prepared for third year had I done this. Plus, VTC gives you 4 1/2 months after second year classes (and PBL) end to prepare for the boards--this makes more of a difference in your boards performance than any type of class schedule will.
 
Wow, thanks for the reply
Hey just a quick follow-up. Freeze said some nice things about me which I probably don't deserve, but he makes a lot of good points about the concerns y'all seem to have about PBL and VTC.

Board relevancy and clinical relevancy achieve a strong balance. Also, in PBL, your input can help influence this balance, unlike with a lecturer.

Learning objectives are delivered early in the week to minimize wasted time.

You meet the patient every week, and get time to ask additional questions to the author of the case. Awesome use of time.

The facilitators help prevent the group from spending 10 minutes talking about something useless, or moving in a totally wrong direction with the diagnosis.

Sometimes the facilitator is a content expert as well and will tell some awesome clinical pearls if you ask. My group had a trauma surgeon facilitate for our group in the GI block. She had some grizzly stories that helped us remember some inane pieces of anatomy. I had a geriatric psychiatrist help facilitate during the neuro block. We must have asked him at least a dozen questions per session about neurotransmitters, pathways affected by disease, and neuropharmacology. The facilitators can be awesome if you utilize them well.

Facilitators are also supposed to help encourage your professional growth. That is, they give you feedback on your presentation style and your ability to play well with others.

As for the group breakdown you saw: I'm not sure where that was, but we generally haven't had that as a problem. Everybody is expected to do an equal amount of the work (the facilitators probably can fail you for slacking, we haven't seen that power exercised yet though). There are good days and bad days, some people can't put as much time into their work one day because they had research to do, and some days you can't get your head around the diagnosis. But being involved and active with learning is always better than passively sitting in a lecture.

Final thoughts: PBL is kind of like lab for book material, if you want to look at it that way. If you treat PBL like that, then it's a very strong addition to any curriculum. You will put in enough work to be prepared for boards, and will have a strong and able problem-solving mind for entering your clinical years, including near-total domination of physical diagnosis and the use of diagnostic tests to tease apart similar presenting symptoms.
 
cool, thanks everyone! can you guys tell us if you got any scholarship money for 2nd and 3rd year?

also, has anyone been taken off the waitlist yet? i haven't heard of any movement yet but this thread is so quiet...
 
Just withdrew my acceptance. Hope it goes to someone on this board 🙂:luck:
 
cool, thanks everyone! can you guys tell us if you got any scholarship money for 2nd and 3rd year?

also, has anyone been taken off the waitlist yet? i haven't heard of any movement yet but this thread is so quiet...

we are starting to get our financial aid information now for next year... i will post what information i can when i get it.
 
withdrew also... good luck to the waiters as the 15th comes up!
 
cool, thanks everyone! can you guys tell us if you got any scholarship money for 2nd and 3rd year?

also, has anyone been taken off the waitlist yet? i haven't heard of any movement yet but this thread is so quiet...

Class of 2014 recieves a $12,000 scholarship for their 3rd year. Also, it is looking like VTC students will be able to get federal loans starting in 2013(not official).
 
thanks Freezer! apologies if you've already said this, but how much did you guys get for M2 year? You got full tuition (40K) for M1 as I recall.
 
withdrew also... good luck to the waiters as the 15th comes up!

thanks fizzy, gosh remember how much we stressed about the essay on the secondary? it's all worth it, future applicants 🙂 you might not know it while you're pulling your hair out writing, but it's worth it.
 
thanks Freezer! apologies if you've already said this, but how much did you guys get for M2 year? You got full tuition (40K) for M1 as I recall.

i feel bad that my memory of this isn't the best, but i believe we got $10,000 for year 2 or something very close to that amount.

oh and to answer some questions i have been getting on PM, VTC up to this point is not eligible for federal student loan programs (b/c of an accreditation issue that happens in all new med schools). so to remedy this, VTC has been offering us private loans that match federal student loan rates through various banks and donors. they have told us that for 2013, they are expecting to be eligible for federal student loans. i assume this may be an indication that we will be fully accredited then, however i don't know how all that works so i may be wrong. i do know that every time the LCME accreditation committee does a site visit, they are quick to praise the faculty, staff, and students on their work in developing this school.
 
Freezer or GD, when one of you gets a chance, can you comment on how much you've spent on housing, food, books, transportation etc (essentially the costs outside of tuition) for the Roanoke area as compared to their (VTC's ) estimated COA (cost of attendance)?

This is from the website:

Tuition$40,000.00Computer+$2,250.00Electronic Textbooks and Supplies$1,300.00Academic and Athletic FeesWaivedDisability InsurancePaid by VTCLiving Expenses (est)$16,500.00Health Insurance+ (est.)$2,500.00Total**$62,550.00

P.S. Do you think it's likely that they would offer money to the class of 2016 for M2 and M3 year also? I guess there's no way to tell this now and only the money from M1 is guaranteed...
 
Freezer or GD, when one of you gets a chance, can you comment on how much you've spent on housing, food, books, transportation etc (essentially the costs outside of tuition) for the Roanoke area as compared to their (VTC's ) estimated COA (cost of attendance)?

This is from the website:

Tuition$40,000.00Computer+$2,250.00Electronic Textbooks and Supplies$1,300.00Academic and Athletic FeesWaivedDisability InsurancePaid by VTCLiving Expenses (est)$16,500.00Health Insurance+ (est.)$2,500.00Total**$62,550.00

P.S. Do you think it's likely that they would offer money to the class of 2016 for M2 and M3 year also? I guess there's no way to tell this now and only the money from M1 is guaranteed...

i know that freezer has a unique housing situation which will differ from most other VTC students but i'd recommend looking on padmapper.com to get a sense of how much renting is in Roanoke. i'm not sure where you're coming from, but for me (baltimore), the cost of living is much cheaper than what i am paying here in terms of rent and gas. i do know that there are a range of shopping options in Roanoke for food, from standard grocery stores to a food co-op and specialty organic shops. in the end though, it all depends on your dining habits, i.e. whether you eat out often, cook at home, bring lunch to school etc...

having just visited Roanoke this past weekend, i can say that transportation is pretty easy if you're a bicyclist. everything is pretty much w/in 3-5 miles and if you don't feel like riding, there is a free trolley that runs from downtown roanoke to the VTC campus which runs every 10-15 minutes if i remember correctly. finally, i think someone mentioned this earlier but VTC provides online copies of textbooks so there isn't a real need for physical copies. that said, i like having something to annotate in and flip through so freezer recommended a few books that i got for real cheap on amazon given how widely used they are by all medical students (don't worry they're just sitting in a corner, i have no intentions of opening them before orientation :laugh:)

i'm sure GDPlastics and Freezer can correct me or add anything that i missed
 
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Has anyone started looking for housing yet in the area? I am hoping to move down to Roanoke in July and am hoping to find a roommate or two!
 
After living in Philly for a couple years, I can say that it is quite affordable here. If you live with roommates that is obviously the cheapest option and you can get that for 500-600 bucks + utilities per month with just one roommate. Options range from living downtown (more expensive) apartment complexes to houses - sort of depends on your preferences.

~ on the note of housing my roommate is going back up to philly to do her research project this summer and we'd be interested in subletting her room out for june/july if someone would prefer to scout around for a bit before deciding on what to settle (Quick note: my neighborhood is a blue collar one which is why we'll end up moving at the end of summer but it is not a bad neighborhood (a bit sketch though).

As an M1, I have to say i love PBL. I am terrible at sitting through lecture awake (my classmates can testify to that). The lectures are NOT officially recorded, but no lecturer has refused to let us tape them and we actually have a couple people in our class that record every lecture and post transcribed powerpoints with notes for anyone to review in our class Dropbox folder. (Anything we find useful and think our classmates might find useful goes there). Basic science lectures are not mandatory ~ but clinical and research are - thankfully they are after lunch for people who have trouble with mornings. (PBL and anything patient related is always mandatory).

Re: PBL. My experience in group is that we try very hard to focus on the basic science topics so that it coincides with what we have to learn/study anyway. I never spend more than 4 hours on a presentation (more like 1 hour to put it together in addition to the studying I need to do on the topic anyway). You learn a lot esp when you thought you knew something but you realize you don't. Also, if your group is good at figuring out what the case objectives are the first day, you often have free slots later so people can put together quizzes and things to help prepare you for exams which is a fun, interactive way to learn.

Re: finances.
We're getting 12k this next year as scholarship money as M2s. The school works with a couple financial institutions (Wells Fargo and Hometown bank) to offer us the same deal that the feds would give you regarding loan money. All in all the school does its best to be aware of and supportive of financial needs. If you are a VA resident you also can get some money from the state for 1k or so. Hope that helps.
 
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I live right downtown, about a block from all of the bars and restaurants and I pay about $700 a month. More expensive compared to a lot of Roanoke housing, but I live on my own and its still a lot cheaper than what I payed in Baltimore.

wworld05 was absolutely correct about the trolley system and it runs from downtown to the school and hospital for free from 7am to 7pm and is a great service.

As far as buying books goes, the school will give you computer software with all your textbooks. I have trouble sitting at my laptop for hours on end though so I buy some of the books i use a lot and want to be able to write in. Theres also an ipad app (and iphone app i think) for the textbook software so I also use that to read my textbooks.

Feel free to PM me with any questions. We look forward to meeting you all in august!
 
Freezer or GD, when one of you gets a chance, can you comment on how much you've spent on housing, food, books, transportation etc (essentially the costs outside of tuition) for the Roanoke area as compared to their (VTC's ) estimated COA (cost of attendance)?

This is from the website:

Tuition$40,000.00Computer+$2,250.00Electronic Textbooks and Supplies$1,300.00Academic and Athletic FeesWaivedDisability InsurancePaid by VTCLiving Expenses (est)$16,500.00Health Insurance+ (est.)$2,500.00Total**$62,550.00

P.S. Do you think it's likely that they would offer money to the class of 2016 for M2 and M3 year also? I guess there's no way to tell this now and only the money from M1 is guaranteed...

Re: living expenses: totally depends on how much you spend on housing. For some perspective (utilities not included), if you want to live alone, expect to pay $450-$700 in rent for Old Southwest, $600-$800 for South Roanoke, and $700-$1,000 for downtown. Roommates obviously lower the cost. Check out the Roanoke Craigslist page for the largest selection of listings within city limits; if you're interested in living downtown, you can check out http://www.downtownroanoke.org/living/rentals

As for the other living expenses, I've found their estimates to be pretty generous, but I also live pretty cheaply. Generally, I think I spend about $850/month total (my rent+utils is about $450). I don't drive much, spend about $250/mo. on food, have fairly few personal expenses, am on my parents' healthcare plan, and have bought a handful of used textbooks/review books over the past two years (maybe $200 total?). Hope that helps give you some perspective. If you aren't sure, err on the side of borrowing too much. You can always take out less at the next disbursement, and stressing about money while studying sucks.

Re: scholarships: we really can't tell what the financial aid office is going to do until they do it, and sometimes not even then :laugh: To speculate, though, I wouldn't be surprised if they continue offering ~10K/year until the first class graduates.
 
(Quick note: my neighborhood is a blue collar one which is why we'll end up moving at the end of summer but it is not a bad neighborhood (a bit sketch though).

My fiance and I are getting ready to rent a house in Southeast (Highland Ave). The house is in beautiful condition, 9 foot ceilings, walk-in closets, etc. and the rent is very reasonable, but the neighborhood is definitely blue collar. I've lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood before, but I'd rather not ask for trouble... can anyone comment on the safety of that part of SE? It's about two blocks north of Jackson middle school.

What we liked was that the medical school and downtown were both about a mile away, easy walking distance. We spent a couple of days driving around Roanoke at the end of last month, but I don't feel like it was enough time to get to know the area really well. It would suck if no one wants to come hang out with me because they're afraid of my neighborhood 🙁
 
My fiance and I are getting ready to rent a house in Southeast (Highland Ave). The house is in beautiful condition, 9 foot ceilings, walk-in closets, etc. and the rent is very reasonable, but the neighborhood is definitely blue collar. I've lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood before, but I'd rather not ask for trouble... can anyone comment on the safety of that part of SE? It's about two blocks north of Jackson middle school.

What we liked was that the medical school and downtown were both about a mile away, easy walking distance. We spent a couple of days driving around Roanoke at the end of last month, but I don't feel like it was enough time to get to know the area really well. It would suck if no one wants to come hang out with me because they're afraid of my neighborhood 🙁

i'll come visit! regardless of the neighborhood hahaha
 
i'll come visit! regardless of the neighborhood hahaha

Awesome. This house has a library plus we'll have an extra bedroom. I've already given my fiance notice that one of those rooms is becoming a whiteboard-covered PBL room. Did you know that they make whiteboard paint?!? I was psyched to find out about that.
 
My fiance and I are getting ready to rent a house in Southeast (Highland Ave). The house is in beautiful condition, 9 foot ceilings, walk-in closets, etc. and the rent is very reasonable, but the neighborhood is definitely blue collar. I've lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood before, but I'd rather not ask for trouble... can anyone comment on the safety of that part of SE? It's about two blocks north of Jackson middle school.

What we liked was that the medical school and downtown were both about a mile away, easy walking distance. We spent a couple of days driving around Roanoke at the end of last month, but I don't feel like it was enough time to get to know the area really well. It would suck if no one wants to come hang out with me because they're afraid of my neighborhood 🙁

Sounds like an awesome house! I don't know a ton about that area of Roanoke other than that it's definitely blue-collar and probably isn't somewhere you'd want to be walking around alone at night, which is something to consider if you plan on walking to school a lot--you may need to drive on days you won't be home before dark. Another thing to consider is that most current students tend to live west of Jefferson street (streets ending in SW), so it's likely that you'd be a little farther away from your classmates (keep in mind "farther" is relative, haha--Roanoke's still not that big). If you're ok with that, then it sounds like you've found a good place!
 
Has anyone on the waitlist heard anything lately?
 
I got off the waitlist yesterday (missed the call, but got it again today).. .and am trying to decide between vtc and vcu...

my hesitations are with accreditation, getting into competitive residencies and research support in my areas of interest. hopefully will figure this out in the next 1-2 weeks...
 
I got off the waitlist yesterday (missed the call, but got it again today).. .and am trying to decide between vtc and vcu...

my hesitations are with accreditation, getting into competitive residencies and research support in my areas of interest. hopefully will figure this out in the next 1-2 weeks...


Thanks for letting us know and good luck with your decision. Although I didn't interview at VCU, I think they're both great schools and you cant go wrong.
 
just withdrew my acceptance, goodluck to the next applicant who gets off the waitlist!
 
who do you email/ call to withdraw?

I just replied to the same email that notified my acceptance.

QUESTION: Out of curiousity, what is the range of scholarships offered?

I remember reading around $12-14k for the first year, but they offered me $20k, so I was just wondering if anyone else got this amount offered (or more). It definitely wasn't easy to let go of... so I hope someone makes good use of my seat 🙂

Thanks
 
Question for current VTC students:

I'm currently debating on whether or not to purchase an iPad. From all of the research I've done, most medical students believe they are helpful but not necessary during the first 2 years, understandably so. However, most students do not have all of their textbooks in a digital format. This makes me think that perhaps having a digital e-reader like an ipad is more important to the VTC student than to others.

What are your thoughts on how helpful the ipad is? I know there are a few cool anatomy applications and what not, but $500-$600 is a lot to spend for a few apps. I am also aware that one can take a ppt, export to a pdf, and then annote it with a stylus...but again, i can print and use a pen while saving a lot of money. I am more concerned with how much you use the ipad, and how necessary you feel it is with a primarily digital textbook library. If you yourself do not use one, perhaps you could comment on what you see your peers doing with them.

As always, your help is much appreciated. Looking forward to seeing you all in Roanoke!
 
I use my iPad to do the reading just because I can't stare at my computer screen for hours on end, but I don't really use it to take notes. I know of a couple people that do take notes with their ipads using a separate keyboard and use it to make presentations, but even those are easier to do using a laptop. Plus, its difficult to print off an ipad.

Personally, I think that if you can study from your computer, it would be better to just put the money you wouldve spent on an ipad towards a better laptop. If not, consider buying the books as hard copies, but if you don't want to lug all those text books around, an ipad might be your best bet.

Ultimately, it all depends on how you study.
 
Yeah, I wasn't thinking about getting so much for note taking. I like printing ppt slides and annotating them; I imagine it would be easy to get behind if you have to flip back slides to make a new remark on the device. You pretty much answered my question in that you use it for reading. I'm glad to hear that when you find reading off your laptop to become tiresome, the ipad is a good alternative. If I'm already paying for all the books I probably won't buy hard copies unless I find that I really want one that I'm using a lot, and the ipad also has plenty of other uses. Thanks for the advice!
 
I'm glad to hear that when you find reading off your laptop to become tiresome, the ipad is a good alternative.

Out of curiosity, why is that? They are both LCD computer monitors. Does that speak more perhaps to the quality of the specific laptop display in use when compared to the iPad's display?
 
That's true as well. Another concern was that if you want to make a study guide on the computer it might become cumbersome switch back and forth between digital textbook, word processing, and any other websites that you might be using. With the iPad I can at least make it seem like there is a textbook in front of me to look down at. Is this valid at all? Clearly, I want an iPad....but I'm not going to spend the money unless someone tells me it's worth it for textbook/app purposes.
 
Mainly for me its about being able to lie back and study rather than having to sit at a computer... but thats just my preference. But it is nice to be able to have that extra screen when working on presentations or cross referencing sources.
 
Its worth it. I use mine all the time while I study. I have a book/notes up on my laptop, use my ipad for another screen and then have a hard copy review book (I know that seems excessive, but it really helped out for anatomy). But aside from that, its really convenient to read off when I don't want to deal with my laptop. Some other students do use it for their notes as well when they don't want to carry a laptop around (bluetooth keyboard/case).
 
sorry for the late entry into the tablet discussion... now whether you actually "need" a tablet during 1st and 2nd year is your perogative... but if you are locked in to getting one, i have to plug my asus transformer prime... compared to the ipad, it is much more customizable, more powerful, and half the price if you keep your eyes open...

anyways... for all those accepted and coming out to roanoke in the next few weeks, WELCOME ABOARD!!!! for those of you still waiting on your letter, it's intense and stressful but hang in there, we're rooting for you!
 
Someone should be getting a call very soon, if they didn't already today. =) I withdrew from the school around noon to attend EVMS.
 
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