2014-2015 Emory University Application Thread

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The Milkman said:
IF that is really the truth behind what they do, and they in fact do not consider anyone with <10 subscore, I have lost respect for the school. But I still love Emory and hope they consider my app!
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Chillax. It's only been a weekend since apps became available to schools. I haven't received secondaries from many of the schools I've applied to that supposedly send secondaries to everyone.
 
Website says they screen out people with a <7 sub-score, not <10. I am sure they screen out a lot of fluff for the reason I mentioned above, but do not screen to limit out <10 for two reasons. They do want that extra income, and they recognize a lot of people are really smart and would be great fit for them even if they got <10 sub-score. The only thing to keep in mind is that it's just a little bit tougher to get it with a lower score, but that's not new news. Be who you are, do things to help yourself stand out and go from there. Control the things you can, don't worry about the things you cannot.
 
slopes23 said:
Law of diminishing returns. After a certain amount of secondaries they need to invest more money to have those additional secondaries reviewed as their current staff levels can only review so many in a set period of time. This would in turn reduce their return on investment (R.O.I). By setting the screen at a certain level they can ensure they receive just the right amount of secondaries to ensure the highest R.O.I.
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Econ major too? Too bad all schools don't think along those lines I say. Saves us money!
 
Person0715 said:
Chillax. It's only been a weekend since apps became available to schools. I haven't received secondaries from many of the schools I've applied to that supposedly send secondaries to everyone.
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I'm not freaking out lol, I've already submitted my secondary so I'm not worried about that. I'm just saying that if a school screens for secondaries, but then still sends secondaries and takes money from people who they do not even consider for interview/admission, they have lost my respect.
 
slopes23 said:
Law of diminishing returns. After a certain amount of secondaries they need to invest more money to have those additional secondaries reviewed as their current staff levels can only review so many in a set period of time. This would in turn reduce their return on investment (R.O.I). By setting the screen at a certain level they can ensure they receive just the right amount of secondaries to ensure the highest R.O.I.
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I doubt all schools that don't screen secondaries actually review all the apps they receive. One could send secondaries universally and then screen apps once complete. If it were all about the money, that's what Emory would do too.
 
gettheleadout said:
I doubt all schools that don't screen secondaries actually review all the apps they receive. One could send secondaries universally and then screen apps once complete. If it were all about the money, that's what Emory would do too.
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If that were in fact true, that my friend would be considered fraud.

Edit: Let me expand on it before I get flamed. When an applicant submits payment to a school it is with the understanding that they will be reviewed by someone and that they will be given an equal opportunity for interview consideration. If schools took money from applicants already knowing that they would not review them if they do not meet certain numerical criteria that is fraud plain and simple.
 
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slopes23 said:
If that were in fact true, that my friend would be considered fraud.

Edit: Let me expand on it before I get flamed. When an applicant submits payment to a school it is with the understanding that they will be reviewed by someone and that they will be given an equal opportunity for interview consideration. If schools took money from applicants already knowing that they would not review them if they do not meet certain numerical criteria that is fraud plain and simple.
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Show me some regulation in AAMC material supporting this.


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Applying! As for screening I can personally say I was screened because I had a 7 in my BS section (hoping for big jump on retake!). So 7 and below they screen it out, I got an e-mail for it.
 
gettheleadout said:
Show me some regulation in AAMC material supporting this.


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You and I both know AAMC would not publish information like that. Perhaps for the sole reason that it doesn't have to as it is not a legal organization and is not responsible for fraud detection and enforcement.

Definition: Fraud is a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain

Again, when a student submits an application they do so with an implied understanding that the application would be reviewed. If people thought that their application wouldn't be reviewed they would have no reason to submit it to begin with. Relying on this fact, they submit money to the school for this opportunity.
If the school does not openly publish that they will accept secondary payment AND THEN screen that would be fine. But with out alerting applicants, the school would be deceiving applicants while taking their money i.e. Fraud. Schools have a moral and legal obligation to provide equal opportunity of review to each applicant that pays. Just because AAMC hasn't published anything doesn't make that alleged practice any less illegal. Furthermore, knowing this, schools wouldn't risk their reputation and huge cash flow just to defraud say 50,000 grand when they stand to lose millions if caught. Risk is not worth the reward.
 
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slopes23 said:
You and I both know AAMC would not publish information like that. Perhaps for the sole reason that it doesn't have to as it is not a legal organization and is not responsible for fraud detection and enforcement.

Definition: Fraud is a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain

Again, when a student submits an application they do so with an implied understanding that the application would be reviewed. If people thought that their application wouldn't be reviewed they would have no reason to submit it to begin with. Relying on this fact, they submit money to the school for this opportunity. If the school does not openly publish that they will accept secondary payment AND THEN screen that would be fine. But with out alerting applicants, the school would be deceiving applicants while taking their money i.e. Fraud. Just because AAMC hasn't published anything doesn't make that alleged practice any less illegal. Furthermore, knowing this, schools wouldn't risk their reputation and huge cash flow just to defraud say 50,000 grand when they stand to lose millions if caught. Risk is mot worth the reward.
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🙄

Respectfully, I hope you can appreciate that I simply do not share your sentiments on this issue.
 
gettheleadout said:
🙄

Respectfully, I hope you can appreciate that I simply do not share your sentiments on this issue.
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Why would the AAMC need to define Fraud when it is already defined by the US justice system. Doing so would only lead to suspicion that they believe schools are committing foul play. Schools have legal counsel to keep them on the straight and narrow, they don't rely on the AAMC to dictate what is legal or illegal.

Again, just because the AAMC doesn't define fraud doesn't mean fraud is undefined.
 
There's mandatory attendance at Emory right guys?

Does anyone know if they still do not record lectures? I know there has been a student run transcript service.
 
Also, since no current med student has posted here yet I thought I'd post things from last year's Emory thread to answer some questions about research. This comes from @Snuke

Snuke said:
Discovery is completely flexible. You can basically do anything that suits you, so long as you can find a mentor. Some people work with the CDC, many work in a department that they think they want to match into, while many people (sometimes ~1/3 of the class) will extend their Discovery to a full year in order to complete an extra degree. MPH is extremely popular, given that Rollins is right nearby, but there are always a few MBAs and a few who go to another school, even abroad.

And yes, there is a lot of assistance given to find a mentor. Or you can search one out yourself - that definitely has happened.
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Snuke said:
With the understanding that I'm a touch biased - Emory does an excellent job of immersing you in both clinical and research practice. Our curriculum is shortened, so we study from August to the next November, and then take Step 1 in January. For example, I entered Emory last August 2012, and I'm taking my boards this coming up January 2014.

This shortened curriculum allows a dedicated 5 month research period to do whatever you want. It can be associated with the CDC and some of those projects, working on something in a lab, or you can come up with your own project. If you need more time and want more of a product, you can extend those 5 months to a year. Alternatively, instead of research (we call it Discovery Project), you can get another degree. Rollins School of Public Health is right on campus about a stone's throw away, and a significant portion of every class will take a 5th year to get an MPH. A few more will do a business degree, and some will go abroad or to another school. It's extremely flexible.

Even with the shortened curriculum, we still get a great deal of clinical exposure. That's OPEX - our out-patient experience, which starts around November of M1. That's biweekly out-patient at a clinic (extremely variable, mostly general practice), where you learn from a doctor how to be a doctor, how to think like a doctor, and how to work with patients.

So, Emory stresses both clinical and research. The emphasis is probably on clinical, but there are so many avenues for research if that's what you want to do, and everyone has to do some. It gives you something to talk about during your interviews, and a lot of people get a publication out of it.

As for hands-on, you will literally have a difficult time finding a place with more hands-on experience during your clinical rotations. That's all thanks to Grady, one of Atlanta's public hospitals (Level 1 Trauma) - it operates as a safety net for the surrounding population. There's always too much demand and not enough supply, so as medical students, you get to do a LOT of things. The M4s that matched Internal Medicine across the country all reported that, at their interviews, the interviewers commented that 'Oh, you trained at Grady. You can handle our hospital.' That's a high compliment, I believe.

Also, an interesting factoid : If you take the area surrounding Grady (a few mile radius), it ranks up there with some African countries in terms of TB cases.

All the M3s and M4s love Grady. You have to do 1/2 of your rotations there, and you get an incredible experience. (RE the TB above, along with others)

One neat thing about Atlanta in terms of medicine is that there is no other huge hospital system in the area. The closest ones are Duke and Vanderbilt, so it serves a huge area, and you see everything.
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Do you guys know what you are doing with the photo uploaded? Are they looking for a passport-like photo or can I submit something more personal? I.e. do we have room for like more creative expressions?
 
gettheleadout said:
I doubt all schools that don't screen secondaries actually review all the apps they receive. One could send secondaries universally and then screen apps once complete. If it were all about the money, that's what Emory would do too.
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That would depend on what do you consider a review. It can be argued that dropping all applications with GPA/MCAT/whatever below a certain threshold is a type of review. It might be just a quick, cursory review but it is still a review. To me, not reviewing them would be throwing them in the trash without looking at any of the data in the application, which I doubt happens anywhere.
 
Hey guys first time poster! Do you guys think a 6 on the verbal on the first MCAT and an improvement to a 10 would get screened out?
 
likeplum said:
Hey guys first time poster! Do you guys think a 6 on the verbal on the first MCAT and an improvement to a 10 would get screened out?
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Based on the following, I would go with a no.
Emory FAQ said:
If I take the MCAT a second time, will my two sets of scores be averaged?

No. Each set of scores will be assessed separately.
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milski said:
That would depend on what do you consider a review. It can be argued that dropping all applications with GPA/MCAT/whatever below a certain threshold is a type of review. It might be just a quick, cursory review but it is still a review. To me, not reviewing them would be throwing them in the trash without looking at any of the data in the application, which I doubt happens anywhere.
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Exactly. I see nothing fraudulent about a school accepting payment to "process" apps, even where processing may include sorting into "pass" and "no pass" files based on minimum stats.
 
gettheleadout said:
Exactly. I see nothing fraudulent about a school accepting payment to "process" apps, even where processing may include sorting into "pass" and "no pass" files based on minimum stats.
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I concur. However, if this is the case, I wish schools would state how they screen applications. But I guess it's a way to pay the bills.
 
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Heday said:
I concur. However, if this is the case, I wish schools would state how they screen applications. But I guess it's a way to pay the bills.
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I always assumed this was just the norm. BU doesn't screen their secondaries, does anyone really believe BU has someone actually read any part of each of the ~10,000 apps they receive?
 
gettheleadout said:
Exactly. I see nothing fraudulent about a school accepting payment to "process" apps, even where processing may include sorting into "pass" and "no pass" files based on minimum stats.
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Cannot really argue with that. Having come to a consensus (at least I admit when a good point is made 🙂) on the issue I would just like to say I wish all schools screened. It would really save a lot of time and hassle on both ends I feel.
 
slopes23 said:
Cannot really argue with that. Having come to a consensus (at least I admit when a good point is made 🙂) on the issue I would just like to say I wish all schools screened. It would really save a lot of time and hassle on both ends I feel.
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I agree 100%. More transparency all around would have nothing but positive effects on everyone's experience no matter which side they're on in the process.
 
gettheleadout said:
I always assumed this was just the norm. BU doesn't screen their secondaries, does anyone really believe BU has someone actually read any part of each of the ~10,000 apps they receive?
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Assuming schools spend a minimum of 2 minutes on an application and a maximum of 10 minutes actually reviewing the application... You know what, I'm not gonna go here. I don't think someone actually goes through each and every app. Yeah you could do it with a reasonable amount of resources, but it's not worth the time. I assume there are four groups that they place applications into: 1) no chance, 2) we could live with the numbers if it's a unique person, 3) acceptable numbers (lower end), 4) numbers are good

1) get no review other than numbers
2) get quick glance of PS and ECs (2 min)
3) get a longer review to determine II-worthy (5 min)
4) get a short review of PS and ECs (3 min)

Before any backlash, this is just a thought.
 
1. List your entire curriculum plan for the 2014-2015 academic year. If you are not currently in school, please briefly describe your plans for the coming year. (200 Words)

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but does this include listing all the classes that I will be taking? I will be a senior but I am just mostly listing the extracurricular activities that I will be doing.
 
tuhtles said:
1. List your entire curriculum plan for the 2014-2015 academic year. If you are not currently in school, please briefly describe your plans for the coming year. (200 Words)

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but does this include listing all the classes that I will be taking? I will be a senior but I am just mostly listing the extracurricular activities that I will be doing.
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Yes, curriculum refers to classes. They want to know what you're taking the whole year.
 
areserine said:
Yes, curriculum refers to classes. They want to know what you're taking the whole year.
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Ah, I see. Do we have to be extremely specific? Like BIO 1101 or something like that? Or can I just say that I'll be taking upper level classes in microbio, etc? Only because I have so many activities and don't have much room left to mention classes :lame:🙁 Need to cut done
 
tuhtles said:
Ah, I see. Do we have to be extremely specific? Like BIO 1101 or something like that? Or can I just say that I'll be taking upper level classes in microbio, etc? Only because I have so many activities and don't have much room left to mention classes :lame:🙁 Need to cut done
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I don't think they're looking for activities at all. I think they are specifically looking for your class schedule. So yes, extremely specific for classes.
 
when they say 6 semester hours for english, do 2 semesters of english classes count? sorry my school doesn't do semester hours/credits (one class = one credit). and along the same lines, how many classes is "18 semester hours"? and can we use classes in which we pass/failed to count? @gettheleadout
 
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In describing our health related experiences are you listing objectively, or are you including a subjective description of how it has effected you?
@gettheleadout Any input?
 
slopes23 said:
In describing our health related experiences are you listing objectively, or are you including a subjective description of how it has effected you?
@gettheleadout Any input?
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Since I already had space on AMCAS to describe my involvement and duties in these experiences, in this essay I'm trying to use very descriptive imagery about specific things I experienced and imply what I gained from them. Two hundred words isn't much haha.
 
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So did you choose to describe in this manner every activity or just one specific one? Like you said 200 words is not much.
 
anybody know about the semester hours thing (post #133)? this is the only thing preventing me from submitting haha 😛
 
Anyone deterred by the $120 secondary fee? It's a bit ridiculous..
 
bluemachine said:
when they say 6 semester hours for english, do 2 semesters of english classes count? sorry my school doesn't do semester hours/credits (one class = one credit). and along the same lines, how many classes is "18 semester hours"? and can we use classes in which we pass/failed to count? @gettheleadout
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Sorry, didn't see this. Yeah two semester courses in English will fulfill that requirement, as will 6 for the humanities requirement. No idea about P/F courses.


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bluemachine said:
when they say 6 semester hours for english, do 2 semesters of english classes count? sorry my school doesn't do semester hours/credits (one class = one credit). and along the same lines, how many classes is "18 semester hours"? and can we use classes in which we pass/failed to count? @gettheleadout
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Most classes are around 3 credit hours. 18 credits hours would be around 6-7 classes. It might be best for you to call the admissions office and specifically discuss your situation with them.
 
gettheleadout said:
Got the secondary in! II's didn't start til September 4th last cycle so we've got quite a wait...
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from their website, "...we begin sending out interview invitations in late August or early September." Time to put this one in the back of my mind for a couple months!
 
Received and submitted Emory secondary today! Verified 6/5. I'm glad the questions were posted in this thread on Friday so that I could prewrite them. Good luck, y'all!
 
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