2014-2015 Stanford University Application Thread

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Honestly? If you're asking about not having a paper/abstract, then probably. The point of having a publication is that it is a measurable unit of production. For better or worse, it is used as a measure of productivity. Then on top of that, the process of getting a paper written, going through the rounds of review, and getting it accepted can be a long travail as well. Once you've gone through that, you know what it's all about and can do more of it.

However, have a research publication is not the same thing as a contribution. The distinct tasks that you did were contributions; if you can work to make them into a coherent story about something you can try to get some opportunities to present them. There are always conferences and symposia looking for poster presentations and even student level talks.

Good luck!

I'm a pre-med, not a medical student, but I disagree. I've seen multiple adcoms on here and many students say that long-term experience is enough for even the top research schools, because publications are much more unpredictable for an undergraduate (I got one after 10 week full-time at a lab---my only bench research experience). If they are a "measurable unit of production" for undergrads at all, they certainly aren't a reliable one. LORs from your PIs, on the other hand...
 
I'm a pre-med, not a medical student, but I disagree. I've seen multiple adcoms on here and many students say that long-term experience is enough for even the top research schools, because publications are much more unpredictable for an undergraduate (I got one after 10 week full-time at a lab---my only bench research experience). If they are a "measurable unit of production" for undergrads at all, they certainly aren't a reliable one. LORs from your PIs, on the other hand...

I think you two may actually be in agreement, @alamo4 seemed to qualify what he first said.
 
I've seen multiple adcoms on here and many students say that long-term experience is enough for even the top research schools, because publications are much more unpredictable for an undergraduate (I got one after 10 week full-time at a lab---my only bench research experience). If they are a "measurable unit of production" for undergrads at all, they certainly aren't a reliable one. LORs from your PIs, on the other hand...

Will a publication help your application to medical school, particularly Stanford? I would have to say yes. It can even shade the letter of recs, because the PI gets to say that you contributed to work that has been published. You can decide if the lack of an advantage is a weakness or just baseline. Is it essential for getting into Stanford? Of course not. However, I think about 1/3-1/2 of starting med students at Stanford have been published already. Someone else reading this can correct me if they have better data, but that is about what I remember hearing. Keep in mind though that this is scaled by where you are in your life path. I think four people who started in 2013 who already had their PhDs, and other people had various bits other graduate training. I don't know what the makeup of the class starting in fall of 2014 is yet, as I've only met a fraction of them.

I'm sure you've heard/read somewhere that a major thing is to differentiate your application. People differentiate themselves many ways, including things like lots of community service, overcoming adversity, high level of non-academic achievement (sports, art, business, technology) etc. However, I would have to say that overall, unlike undergrad, Stanford Med likes "pointy" students rather than "well-rounded" ones. And if one of your main pointy areas is in research, then you probably have to be as pointy as possible, which means really excelling, and the way excellence in academic type research is (perhaps unfortunately) measured is publications. Overall though Stanford definitely tries to have everyone be their own "special snowflake" as much as possible, so they honestly try to holistically select good candidates to interview based on a wide range of features.

Overall, I don't have good data on it, but I have seen a handful of people who applied, didn't really get much traction, and then after a few years doing research and a publication, got lots of interviews that led to acceptances.

I don't want to discourage anyone. However, in review, at a top ranked research school, as far as I can tell, a paper does add to your application, and a lot of other people applying will have 1+ publications. That being said, your application is what it is. Just like everything in life, including medicine, you do the best with what you currently have available, and that includes your CV.

Also, as your going along and start stressing about your application and whether you are going to get an interview or an acceptance, and then get caught into thinking that it is of incredible importance to go to Stanford, remember that most of residents/fellows in the various programs at Stanford didn't go to Stanford for med school. Obviously, many Stanford students often stay local, but there are still way more students from outside, and there are more residents and fellows than students anyway, so more slots. Then, beyond that, there are tons of faculty who didn't go to Stanford who obviously spend way more than 4-5 years here. There are plenty of opportunities for your medical career to intersect with Stanford. Good luck! I always say it is a marathon, not a sprint, as long as you are working toward your goals, you're going in the right direction.
 
In the spirit of SDN-type angst, if you really want to make yourself neurotic and crazy, you can stalk current students on the online profile system. Not everyone creates a profile, and not everyone puts their publications in (the system will find them in Pubmed for you, but not everyone uses it). Overall though, if there is a picture it means the person probably put in the time to curate their profile a bit, so you can see what they had for publications before starting med school. This is probably biased toward people who have lots to brag about on though, but if you're looking at these it's probably in an effort to make yourself feel more stressed out anyway:
https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/browse?affiliations=capMdStudent
 
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Will a publication help your application to medical school, particularly Stanford? I would have to say yes. It can even shade the letter of recs, because the PI gets to say that you contributed to work that has been published. You can decide if the lack of an advantage is a weakness or just baseline. Is it essential for getting into Stanford? Of course not. However, I think about 1/3-1/2 of starting med students at Stanford have been published already. Someone else reading this can correct me if they have better data, but that is about what I remember hearing. Keep in mind though that this is scaled by where you are in your life path. I think four people who started in 2013 who already had their PhDs, and other people had various bits other graduate training. I don't know what the makeup of the class starting in fall of 2014 is yet, as I've only met a fraction of them.

I'm sure you've heard/read somewhere that a major thing is to differentiate your application. People differentiate themselves many ways, including things like lots of community service, overcoming adversity, high level of non-academic achievement (sports, art, business, technology) etc. However, I would have to say that overall, unlike undergrad, Stanford Med likes "pointy" students rather than "well-rounded" ones. And if one of your main pointy areas is in research, then you probably have to be as pointy as possible, which means really excelling, and the way excellence in academic type research is (perhaps unfortunately) measured is publications. Overall though Stanford definitely tries to have everyone be their own "special snowflake" as much as possible, so they honestly try to holistically select good candidates to interview based on a wide range of features.

Overall, I don't have good data on it, but I have seen a handful of people who applied, didn't really get much traction, and then after a few years doing research and a publication, got lots of interviews that led to acceptances.

I don't want to discourage anyone. However, in review, at a top ranked research school, as far as I can tell, a paper does add to your application, and a lot of other people applying will have 1+ publications. That being said, your application is what it is. Just like everything in life, including medicine, you do the best with what you currently have available, and that includes your CV.

Also, as your going along and start stressing about your application and whether you are going to get an interview or an acceptance, and then get caught into thinking that it is of incredible importance to go to Stanford, remember that most of residents/fellows in the various programs at Stanford didn't go to Stanford for med school. Obviously, many Stanford students often stay local, but there are still way more students from outside, and there are more residents and fellows than students anyway, so more slots. Then, beyond that, there are tons of faculty who didn't go to Stanford who obviously spend way more than 4-5 years here. There are plenty of opportunities for your medical career to intersect with Stanford. Good luck! I always say it is a marathon, not a sprint, as long as you are working toward your goals, you're going in the right direction.

I appreciate what you wrote and the way you wrote. It was a pleasure to read and I absolutely agree with you in terms of the function of publication. Although I can not chime in on how exactly they are viewed in the eyes of Adcom, what I do know, after having worked in academic research and in academic publication for 8+ years, is that publication list really determines how a scientist being viewed by other scientists.

One of my friend conducted a study to see if one's success in the field of science (measured by becoming a PI) can be correlated with publication. According to his study. Publication is an excellent predictor for future success in the field of science. He also showed that "high-profile publications are not the only factors that determine whether an early-career scientist will one day lead her own academic lab, the team found, Rather, it’s the total number of publications, the impact factors of the journals in which they’re published, and whether each paper meets or exceeds the average number of citations for a given manuscript in that journal that seem to matter most." For example, by publishing the study on Current Biology, both students will have a 10% boost in terms of their chances to become a principle investigator.


Since Stanford is one of the keenest on finding the students who can lead the future medical science development. It should not surprise anyone that they would love the applicants who have preexiting publications. However, will they reject an otherwise promising candidate solely because of a lack of pubs? unlikely.

Reference:
Original publication: Publication metrics and success on the academic job market.

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(14)00477-1
There are several review articles talking about the impact of this research. http://www.the-scientist.com/?artic.../Can-Publication-Records-Predict-Future-PIs-/
http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2014/06/science-moneyball-secret-successful-academic-career
 
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when should we expect first interviews to come out?
 
What is the difference between Public Health and Health Policy? In my essay I talk about addressing health inequalities and access to health care between the poor and the rich. Where does that fall under?
 
What is the difference between Public Health and Health Policy? In my essay I talk about addressing health inequalities and access to health care between the poor and the rich. Where does that fall under?

Sounds like policy to me.
 
Sounds like policy to me.
Sounds like bioethics to me as well. whether or not the society should provide bare minimal assistant to all members is a ethical question. So is equality.

I think it's a combination of the two. Ethics being why we do certain things, while policy being how to achieve the end.
 
Sounds like bioethics to me as well. whether or not the society should provide bare minimal assistant to all members is a ethical question. So is equality.

I think it's a combination of the two. Ethics being why we do certain things, while policy being how to achieve the end.

I think bioethics underpins all the disciplines, and for that reason I wouldn't classify something as being ethics unless it explicitly dealt with that bioethical construct (for example, if his research was on whether health inequalities entail an obligation on our part to shift care resources to address the inequality). In this case, he seems to be more focused on finding/characterizing the inequalities and exploring ways to address those or gaps in access to care for particular groups, rather than questioning whether a society should be interested in these things.

All these things (research, clinical work, public health, policy, ethics) are interconnected and we have to remain sensitive to that. However, in the interest of being concise, it is often more practical to focus on the specific constructs that are most relevant to the problem and not bring too much extra baggage into the mix.
 
Hi everyone! I applied last year, but decided to defer matriculation, so I'll be joining you guys next fall! :hello:It looks like @Narmerguy has been awesome as always with answering questions , but feel free to reach out to me as well, especially once the semester starts and he starts getting busier, hahah 😛 Good luck to everyone!!
 
Woke up to an II! Who knew Stanford sent them out at 7am on Sundays?

@jeghaber (and other students), do you know if Stanford has any activities for the night before the interview? I have classes the day before, and so I don't want to skip them and fly in early unless I'd be missing something otherwise.
 
Woke up to an II! Who knew Stanford sent them out at 7am on Sundays?

@jeghaber (and other students), do you know if Stanford has any activities for the night before the interview? I have classes the day before, and so I don't want to skip them and fly in early unless I'd be missing something otherwise.

Congratulations! 😀 As I recall, there was a pizza dinner of some sort the night before. I had a late flight into SFO, so I didn't make it and it wasn't a big deal at all. I wouldn't splurge for an exorbitantly more expensive flight if there's a cheaper flight later just to make it, but it is a nice way to get acquainted with a few people -- and I suppose it doesn't hurt to see a few friendly faces on interview day. Chances are, however, if it doesn't turn out to be your very first interview, you'll already see a few familiar faces anyways. In any case, congratulations again!
 
Congratulations! 😀 As I recall, there was a pizza dinner of some sort the night before. I had a late flight into SFO, so I didn't make it and it wasn't a big deal at all. I wouldn't splurge for an exorbitantly more expensive flight if there's a cheaper flight later just to make it, but it is a nice way to get acquainted with a few people -- and I suppose it doesn't hurt to see a few friendly faces on interview day. Chances are, however, if it doesn't turn out to be your very first interview, you'll already see a few familiar faces anyways. In any case, congratulations again!

Awesome, thank you for the information! I'll have to see what flights are available and what I can manage, then. 🙂
 
Awesome, thank you for the information! I'll have to see what flights are available and what I can manage, then. 🙂
Congrats on your II ! I'm jealous haha When were you complete? Do you mind posting stats?
 
Hey everyone, I submitted my app on June 4th, and still haven't received a secondary. I'm a Canadian student, although I doubt that would make a difference. I'm going to call tomorrow I think, but just wanted to know if anyone else is still waiting or if I should be worried?

EDIT: I'm also still waiting for my MCAT score to be released on Aug 12th, if that makes a difference
 
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What is the difference between Public Health and Health Policy? In my essay I talk about addressing health inequalities and access to health care between the poor and the rich. Where does that fall under?

Health policy = politics (functionally)
Public Health = population health (as opposed to personal/clinical health)

There's also clinical epidemiology, which utilizes an epidemiological approach in clinical settings. For example, a certain group (gender, age, ethnicity, socioeconomic, patients with certain pre-existing conditions etc) may experience a higher prevalence of a specific illness for a given number of reasons. Clinical epidemiologists compile evidence from such groups in order to help determine optimal treatment plans for current and future patients.
I realize this may be somewhat off-topic, but I'm interested in addressing health inequalities as well, and clinical epidemiology also applies.
Anyway, I thought this attachment might be useful for anyone that's interested in the MD/MS program that Stanford offers.
 

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I'm also a Canadian student and haven't heard from them, I would have loved to go here but the odds were already so low. I wrote my MCAT last year (38) but I think I got screened out by my GPA (~3.65).

Stanford doesn't pre-screen for secondaries, so you (and beatlemaniac) should be receiving them at some point. Don't give up hope yet!
 
I'm also a Canadian student and haven't heard from them, I would have loved to go here but the odds were already so low. I wrote my MCAT last year (38) but I think I got screened out by my GPA (~3.65).
I'm neither American or Canadian and I got my secondary a while ago. Everyone will get one so don't give up. But I'd say contact them if you still don't get anything after 4-6 weeks of AMCAS verification.
 
on my status page, it says that AMCAS has received my letters on 8/5/14, but then under "letter sent to Stanford and letter received by Stanford", there's nothing. i thought once AMCAS received and uploaded the LOR, it automatically gets sent to schools? so shouldn't there be a YES next to "letter sent to Stanford"? or does it just take a few days for them to change it on our status page?
 
They have to download it, which takes a little while. My late one was marked as "sent to Stanford" the next day then it took about a week to be marked received (I think they mentioned somewhere to expect 7-10 days)
 
on my status page, it says that AMCAS has received my letters on 8/5/14, but then under "letter sent to Stanford and letter received by Stanford", there's nothing. i thought once AMCAS received and uploaded the LOR, it automatically gets sent to schools? so shouldn't there be a YES next to "letter sent to Stanford"? or does it just take a few days for them to change it on our status page?

My letters were sent 7/13, were not downloaded til 7/29
 
For a letter that I sent in recently, I have:
Letter received by AMCAS: 8/1/14
Letter sent to Stanford: 8/3/14
Letter received by Stanford: 8/5/14

Also, did anybody have a problem with their file not being complete? The Application Status page says that it has received my supplemental app, fee, and all my letters, but it still says "No" to file complete.
 
For a letter that I sent in recently, I have:
Letter received by AMCAS: 8/1/14
Letter sent to Stanford: 8/3/14
Letter received by Stanford: 8/5/14

Also, did anybody have a problem with their file not being complete? The Application Status page says that it has received my supplemental app, fee, and all my letters, but it still says "No" to file complete.
@WesternBlot yep, similar problem. My status says Letter received by Stanford: 8/6/14 but right beside my "committee letter" heading it says "incomplete". I'm now confused as to whether they mean my file is incomplete (but I already submitted app and paid) or that somehow my letter packet was incomplete? Or it could just be a process delay...

So my last letter was marked as Recieved by Stanford yesterday, 8/5. This morning my file was marked as complete. So I think it takes a little time for them to realize that everything is there and it's updated within 24 to 48 hours. My guess.
 
Anybody still waiting for secondary? Verified and added school on July 6th, yet to hear back. Given that they don't screen i was assuming i would get a secondary.
 
Yup, I'm still waiting too... Starting to get pretty concerned. Called Stanford three times and no one picked up, so I sent an email 2 days ago and have yet to hear back.

I finished processing at AMCAS in mid-June, so it's not that I was late in submitting. I don't know what else to do at this point...
 
I was so excited to see an email from Stanford! But it was just a complete email a few days late :arghh:
 
I wouldn't worry too much about the delays in secondaries 🙂 It's most likely just some internal delay and certainly nothing to do with the quality of your application itself. My letters were marked as being received 3 days after they were sent and it took another day until I got the complete email, so there's definitely a processing delay with things in general. In any case, Stanford is moving more and more towards a pseudo-non-rolling system, so it's not quite as critical to get everything in ASAP.

I know it's nerve-wracking to feel like you're behind, even by a few days, but hang in there -- in a few months, when no timeline will make sense and every school is out of sync, a couple day delay will seem like nothing :laugh:
 
Yup, I'm still waiting too... Starting to get pretty concerned. Called Stanford three times and no one picked up, so I sent an email 2 days ago and have yet to hear back.

I finished processing at AMCAS in mid-June, so it's not that I was late in submitting. I don't know what else to do at this point...

On the same boat! I emailed them just now....
 
Anybody still waiting for secondary? Verified and added school on July 6th, yet to hear back. Given that they don't screen i was assuming i would get a secondary.
weird, I added on 7/18 and received secondary on 7/20 (verified early June)
 
Yesterday I received an email from Stanford reminding me that I had not yet submitted my secondary. Has anyone received anything similar, even from other schools? I have never heard of a school doing this, and for a second I was excited to think that they really wanted me to submit. But the email is pretty generic, I'm thinking they just send to anyone who hasn't submitted within a certain time frame (I'm over the '2 weeks'). Any thoughts?
 
Yup, I'm still waiting too... Starting to get pretty concerned. Called Stanford three times and no one picked up, so I sent an email 2 days ago and have yet to hear back.

I finished processing at AMCAS in mid-June, so it's not that I was late in submitting. I don't know what else to do at this point...

Not sure if it has anything to do with the email I sent to them yesterday asking when I'd be getting a secondary, but I just got it! Hopefully you did too
 
Verified during the first few days of July and just got the secondary. Had to give them a call though.
 
I just flew across the country and visited Stanford SoM today! It's such a beautiful campus. I love it! Now I just hope they'll give me some love...
 
Does anyone know for this question, what they mean by author? Like your position on the paper, or to list all authors names (last name first initial)?

If you have publications resulting from scholarly endeavors, please complete a citation for each of your publications in the space below using the following format: Author, Title, Journal, Volume, Pages, and Date of Publication. This section applies for papers that have been published or been accepted for publication. Please do not include abstracts or unpublished conference papers.
 
Does anyone know for this question, what they mean by author? Like your position on the paper, or to list all authors names (last name first initial)?

If you have publications resulting from scholarly endeavors, please complete a citation for each of your publications in the space below using the following format: Author, Title, Journal, Volume, Pages, and Date of Publication. This section applies for papers that have been published or been accepted for publication. Please do not include abstracts or unpublished conference papers.

I just used the APA format and listed all the authors on my papers (I wasn't in the first 2-3 for some of them, hahah)
 
for date did you just give the year in parenthesis?

I used: Author(s) (Year). Title. Journal Volume(Issue), PageStart-PageEnd. Don't worry about the very specifics -- they're not going to care whether you had parentheses, used italics, included DOIs, etc as long as it's clear what is what and it's enough information to identify it/look it up.
 
I used: Author(s) (Year). Title. Journal Volume(Issue), PageStart-PageEnd. Don't worry about the very specifics -- they're not going to care whether you had parentheses, used italics, included DOIs, etc as long as it's clear what is what and it's enough information to identify it/look it up.
Thank you!!
 
Just received post-secondary rejection for MSTP from Stanford. First rejection 🙁 Good luck to everyone still in the running!
 
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