2018-2019 University of Miami (Miller)

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Unlimited Apps said:
"Committees look particularly carefully at the verbal reasoning score because that is something that is not taught in medical school and medical school involves tons of reading and fast comprehension."

The above doesn't necessarily mean that they value CARS more. It could just be (as others have pointed out) that they want to see evidence of you doing well enough in CARS to succeed in medical school. It is not like someone scoring 130 vs 127 on CARS will get more of an "advantage" than somebody else scoring 130 vs 127 on C/P. At-least that is what makes sense to me and what I think Miami's attitude towards CARS is.

Though, on a side note, I hope they give CARS extra weightage because somehow the section ended up being my best score on the real thing and the worst thing on all my practice tests.
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Nice devil's advocation. Yeah, it could be that they want to see a minimum score in CARS more so than in the other sections if you don't have some special hook as an applicant.
 
Hirro said:
Just curious. When you interviewed at schools, were other applicants asking about your stats a lot? I'm interested to know if this is different school-to-school or if it's just a toss up.
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Asking about the stats of other students (or discussing your own) is a huge red flag, both at Miami and elsewhere hahaha.
 
Damn, that secondary took as long as like 4 school's worth for me, haha. Really glad that I got it finally submitted!
 
How many words were your longest essay? I just wrote one that's 463 words and I feel like it's too much. I got a little too passionate lol
 
Are you guys putting actual dates in your chronological lists? What if I don't remember what days?? Is like a season fine (like summer 2016)?
 
Is GPA equal to MCAT or weighed less here? @wesleysnipes video has gpa as 30 pts and mcat as 45, but I’ve seen a screenshot of the rubric that had both as 45 points.
 
wesleysnipes said:
45/45
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I wonder how they determine the GPA. Cuz if you were to do 45/4.0 and then multiple by GPA, there wont me too much difference in the numbers. Im assuming they take your MCAT and convert it to the old score and then adjust if they like one section over another.
 
MomJeansandDadJorts said:
I wonder how they determine the GPA. Cuz if you were to do 45/4.0 and then multiple by GPA, there wont me too much difference in the numbers. Im assuming they take your MCAT and convert it to the old score and then adjust if they like one section over another.
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wesleysnipes said:
45/45
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Also was the video just an error then or outdated?
 
volacrity said:
You remember it exactly?
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I took notes somewhere but we weren't allowed to take photos. There's nothing really to the formula other than the fact that it is extremely holistic. I've seen scoring systems for other schools and IMO miami does it better than anywhere else. The best advice I can give from seeing it is to mention everything you've done in a cohesive story.
 
For community service, is anyone listing peer tutoring? I put it as tutoring for my primary app but not sure if I should put it into my community service section here
 
The secondary states:
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your clinical experiences/shadowing.

Then the next section states:
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your community service/volunteering.

Should I only list clinical volunteering and shadowing in the first section and list non-clinical community service in the 2nd box? Or should I list clinical and non-clinical in the 2nd section since both are technically "community service?" Or should the clinical volunteering be listed in each section? How are you guys interpreting these? If the slash wasn't between the words the statement would be clearer.
 
ak-aka-dak said:
The secondary states:
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your clinical experiences/shadowing.

Then the next section states:
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your community service/volunteering.

Should I only list clinical volunteering and shadowing in the first section and list non-clinical community service in the 2nd box? Or should I list clinical and non-clinical in the 2nd section since both are technically "community service?" Or should the clinical volunteering be listed in each section? How are you guys interpreting these? If the slash wasn't between the words the statement would be clearer.
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I think just put all clinical (volunteering, paid employment, and shadowing) in first box and any other non-clinical volunteering in 2nd box. Definitely don't repeat stuff.
 
ak-aka-dak said:
The secondary states:
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your clinical experiences/shadowing.

Then the next section states:
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your community service/volunteering.

Should I only list clinical volunteering and shadowing in the first section and list non-clinical community service in the 2nd box? Or should I list clinical and non-clinical in the 2nd section since both are technically "community service?" Or should the clinical volunteering be listed in each section? How are you guys interpreting these? If the slash wasn't between the words the statement would be clearer.
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I'm sure as long as everything is listed somewhere it'll be fine, but the way I interpreted it is by putting my paid clinical experiences and my shadowing in the first section, and things that were clinically more service-based in the second. For example, I was paid as a clinical research assistant, where I did studies with patients (first box) and I also participated in a medical service brigade to Nicaragua (second box), but I'm sure however you choose to categorize your experiences won't affect your application negatively. 🙂
 
ak-aka-dak said:
The secondary states:
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your clinical experiences/shadowing.

Then the next section states:
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your community service/volunteering.

Should I only list clinical volunteering and shadowing in the first section and list non-clinical community service in the 2nd box? Or should I list clinical and non-clinical in the 2nd section since both are technically "community service?" Or should the clinical volunteering be listed in each section? How are you guys interpreting these? If the slash wasn't between the words the statement would be clearer.
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theKingLT said:
I think just put all clinical (volunteering, paid employment, and shadowing) in first box and any other non-clinical volunteering in 2nd box. Definitely don't repeat stuff.
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norahjc96 said:
I'm sure as long as everything is listed somewhere it'll be fine, but the way I interpreted it is by putting my paid clinical experiences and my shadowing in the first section, and things that were clinically more service-based in the second. For example, I was paid as a clinical research assistant, where I did studies with patients (first box) and I also participated in a medical service brigade to Nicaragua (second box), but I'm sure however you choose to categorize your experiences won't affect your application negatively. 🙂
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Are you guys just listing them or do you plan on giving a description/summary of them? I feel like most of these activities are already on my primary
 
ak-aka-dak said:
The secondary states:
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your clinical experiences/shadowing.

Then the next section states:
Please provide a chronological list with dates of your community service/volunteering.

Should I only list clinical volunteering and shadowing in the first section and list non-clinical community service in the 2nd box? Or should I list clinical and non-clinical in the 2nd section since both are technically "community service?" Or should the clinical volunteering be listed in each section? How are you guys interpreting these? If the slash wasn't between the words the statement would be clearer.
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norahjc96 said:
I'm sure as long as everything is listed somewhere it'll be fine, but the way I interpreted it is by putting my paid clinical experiences and my shadowing in the first section, and things that were clinically more service-based in the second. For example, I was paid as a clinical research assistant, where I did studies with patients (first box) and I also participated in a medical service brigade to Nicaragua (second box), but I'm sure however you choose to categorize your experiences won't affect your application negatively. 🙂
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This strategy seems fine as well. Just get everything listed and don't repeat stuff. If you're short on service, put your clinical volunteering in the service box. If you're short on clinical experience, put it in the clinical box. I you're good on both then take your pick
 
medschoolzombie said:
Are you guys just listing them or do you plan on giving a description/summary of them? I feel like most of these activities are already on my primary
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I havent written it yet but planning on short description if there's room, except for the one new activity not on my primary which I'll elaborate a little more on
 
medschoolzombie said:
Are you guys just listing them or do you plan on giving a description/summary of them? I feel like most of these activities are already on my primary
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Because it stated "list", I went for brevity, since my most important experiences are either explained in my primary or in the secondary essays themselves... I think most adcoms would be pleased with short and sweet since they have so much to read. For the clinical experiences and volunteer experiences I stuck with just position/title, organization/supervisor, hours of service, and dates, but that's also because I had a lot to list so I didn't want to take up too much space with explanation. I think if you have a unique position that needs explaining though, go for it!
 
norahjc96 said:
I think if you have a unique position that needs explaining though, go for it!
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This is what it comes down to pretty much. If the title is self explanatory, leave it at that. If not, a short description will suffice
 
norahjc96 said:
Because it stated "list", I went for brevity, since my most important experiences are either explained in my primary or in the secondary essays themselves... I think most adcoms would be pleased with short and sweet since they have so much to read. For the clinical experiences and volunteer experiences I stuck with just position/title, organization/supervisor, hours of service, and dates, but that's also because I had a lot to list so I didn't want to take up too much space with explanation. I think if you have a unique position that needs explaining though, go for it!
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I haven't actually looked at this in the app but they just give you a normal text box right? Do we need to write the position/title, organization/supervisor part? I was just gonna list out the names of the activity and date since it doesn't say to list the rest. What was the character count for this again?
 
medschoolzombie said:
I haven't actually looked at this in the app but they just give you a normal text box right? Do we need to write the position/title, organization/supervisor part? I was just gonna list out the names of the activity and date since it doesn't say to list the rest. What was the character count for this again?
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I already submitted so it's not showing me what the count was but yes, it's a text box. I just included that because it made sense to me to write the names of the doctors I shadowed, or to write that I was a member of X organization and my role was Y.
 
medschoolzombie said:
I haven't actually looked at this in the app but they just give you a normal text box right? Do we need to write the position/title, organization/supervisor part? I was just gonna list out the names of the activity and date since it doesn't say to list the rest. What was the character count for this again?
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norahjc96 said:
I already submitted so it's not showing me what the count was but yes, it's a text box. I just included that because it made sense to me to write the names of the doctors I shadowed, or to write that I was a member of X organization and my role was Y.
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I believe the word count for all the boxes is 500 words!
 
When approaching the response asking to explain your most meaningful experience in a volunteer organization, could I elaborate on one of my "meaningful experiences" already on my primary, or would it be better to just address a completely different experience?
 
steelersfan50 said:
When approaching the response asking to explain your most meaningful experience in a volunteer organization, could I elaborate on one of my "meaningful experiences" already on my primary, or would it be better to just address a completely different experience?
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You should probably use the mm from your primary for consistency sake, just try to talk about it from a new perspective
 
wesleysnipes said:
I took notes somewhere but we weren't allowed to take photos. There's nothing really to the formula other than the fact that it is extremely holistic. I've seen scoring systems for other schools and IMO miami does it better than anywhere else. The best advice I can give from seeing it is to mention everything you've done in a cohesive story.
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Also, how do they allot points for undergrad ranking? I heard they use barron's selectivity index, but the only list of indices publicly available is the one from 2013. I'd be curious to see what exactly UM does because my undergrad's acceptance rate has gone lower quite a bit since 2013.
 
How long does it take to get a secondary from Miami? I submitted by primary to them on the 18th and got an email from them saying that my AMCAS primary was received on the 20th. The email said " A decision to send you a secondary application will be made shortly". My stats are around the school's accepted averages so hopefully I'm not screened...
 
RunIt23 said:
How long does it take to get a secondary from Miami? I submitted by primary to them on the 18th and got an email from them saying that my AMCAS primary was received on the 20th. The email said " A decision to send you a secondary application will be made shortly". My stats are around the school's accepted averages so hopefully I'm not screened...
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I had 6 days between my “app has been received by AMCAS” email and the secondary invite and that time will probably increase with the volume off apps they must screen. Way too soon to stress about it especially with stats on par with their average.
 
FigmundSreud said:
I’ve gathered intel that ORMs have interviewed there with 125 CARS, but I’ve also seen people get waitlisted with higher-than-median (i.e. 513) scores and 125 CARS or below. So it’ll be an uphill battle.

edit: should read ORMs
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I was admitted with a 125 CARs.
 
FigmundSreud said:
Also, how do they allot points for undergrad ranking? I heard they use barron's selectivity index, but the only list of indices publicly available is the one from 2013. I'd be curious to see what exactly UM does because my undergrad's acceptance rate has gone lower quite a bit since 2013.
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The examples they used at the presentation were:

30 - miami
15 - florida state
5 - yeehaw state college (i don't really remember but you can probably guess what kind of schools fall under this category.
 
RunIt23 said:
How long does it take to get a secondary from Miami? I submitted by primary to them on the 18th and got an email from them saying that my AMCAS primary was received on the 20th. The email said " A decision to send you a secondary application will be made shortly". My stats are around the school's accepted averages so hopefully I'm not screened...
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I didnt even know that index was a thing. Just saw my school is a 3 which is surprising for such a large school.
 
wesleysnipes said:
The examples they used at the presentation were:

30 - miami
15 - florida state
5 - yeehaw state college (i don't really remember but you can probably guess what kind of schools fall under this category.
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Well I guess a good estimate is +/- 10 points of USNWR of those respective schools to obtain those point values. There are some state schools with an objectively better reputation than FSU (and arguably better than University of Miami as a whole in some cases), so I’d hope that those specific state schools get grouped with Miami.
 
Looking at the undergraduate colleges list on the UM Miller website, there's a pretty wide span in any case.
 
how did you guys abbreviate in your secondaries. I see UM on their website, did anyone else use this abbreviation?
 
For the significant clinical experience question would it be okay to talk about the health of family members and how their experiences influenced me?
 
Eagleye2 said:
how did you guys abbreviate in your secondaries. I see UM on their website, did anyone else use this abbreviation?
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UM, UMMSM, Miller are the typical abbreviations

I Cycle said:
For the significant clinical experience question would it be okay to talk about the health of family members and how their experiences influenced me?
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That's not quite what they were getting at for clinical experience unless you actually played a role in their care, formally.
 
yeah i was wondering the same thing b/c i wanted to write about my own clinical experience as a kid rather than one of my volunteer ones

I Cycle said:
For the significant clinical experience question would it be okay to talk about the health of family members and how their experiences influenced me?
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teeayejay said:
UM, UMMSM, Miller are the typical abbreviations



That's not quite what they were getting at for clinical experience unless you actually played a role in their care, formally.
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In that case, would talking about my gap year clinical job be better? However since it was recent it only reinforced my decision towards medicine
 
teeayejay said:
UM, UMMSM, Miller are the typical abbreviations



That's not quite what they were getting at for clinical experience unless you actually played a role in their care, formally.
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Would being a caretaker for a family member count?
 
medschoolzombie said:
Would being a caretaker for a family member count?
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I would avoid using that unless you were acting as say a home care nurse with the corresponding training and license. In other words as a medical professional that just happened to be treating a family member
 
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