2020-2021 NYU

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sammyboy123 said:
I thought schools had to wait until October 15th to send acceptances?
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NYU is the bad boy in med school admissions. Either that or the retired cop that doesn't like to play by the rules.
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Also NYU to the AAMC regarding the admissions timeline:


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concernedduck said:
anybody who interviewed here already have any advice? kinda nervous about the online mmi format :/
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according to my friend who interviewed there, there's like no way to prep for it. without disclosing specific questions, it's nothing like what you would find on Youtube or any MMI guide... i'd say just relax, go in with an open mind, sleep well the night before, and you'll do amazing!
 
cs19981998 said:
according to my friend who interviewed there, there's like no way to prep for it. without disclosing specific questions, it's nothing like what you would find on Youtube or any MMI guide... i'd say just relax, go in with an open mind, sleep well the night before, and you'll do amazing!
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I come on here to find detailed information or insight that I can’t get from any basic advisor or any of the 1000s of premed websites. Your answer is exactly what I’d find anywhere else. SPILL THE TEA

(I’m mostly joking, since I know it wouldn’t be legal or ethical to post details, but damn this uncertainty is frustrating.)
 
doctorBsquared said:
I come on here to find detailed information or insight that I can’t get from any basic advisor or any of the 1000s of premed websites. Your answer is exactly what I’d find anywhere else. SPILL THE TEA

(I’m mostly joking, since I know it wouldn’t be legal or ethical to post details, but damn this uncertainty is frustrating.)
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No really, there's a post from last year's school-specific threads (either on NYU's or UCLA's thread) about how you can't really prep for MMIs. These schools are becoming really smart. They know what's available on YouTube, blogs, and prep websites; they purposely do something different
 
Does anyone see the "Complete" notification show up in their Communication history? I just see the "Secondary invite" notification.
 
Havelock Vetinari said:
Does anyone see the "Complete" notification show up in their Communication history? I just see the "Secondary invite" notification.
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I've got "Secondary Application" and "Secondary Application Complete"
 
2.9GPA said:
I've got "Secondary Application" and "Secondary Application Complete"
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Hmm. perhaps I should e-mail them then? On the Status page, I see a check near "Application File Complete," but I also see an "x" near "Tertiary Application Submitted (Only for Three-Year MD Pathway Applicants)," which I assumed was okay, as I'm not applying for the three-year MD pathway. But then not seeing anything on the "Communication Status" page has got me concerned.
 
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Havelock Vetinari said:
Hmm. perhaps I should e-mail them then? On the Status page, I see a check near "Application File Complete," but I also see an "x" near "Tertiary Application Submitted (Only for Three-Year MD Pathway Applicants)," which I assumed was okay, as I'm not applying for the three-year MD pathway. But then not seeing anything on the "Communication Status" page has got me concerned.
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Yea I'm in the same boat as you checking through portals and communication histories to make sure everything looks OK, lol. Not seeing anything in the communication status would definitely concern me. Does your document status show LOR being received?

Maybe someone who has interviewed here can comment on if they had their status updated in communication history?
 
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2.9GPA said:
Yea I'm in the same boat as you checking through portals and communication histories to make sure everything looks OK, lol. Not seeing anything in the communication status would definitely concern me. Does your document status show LOR being received?

Maybe someone who has interviewed here can comment on if they had their status updated in communication history?
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interviewed and there is no "complete" status in communication history on my end
 
Communication history is just a log of emails they've sent you.

Posts earlier in this thread indicate some people received a complete email and some did not. I don't know why.
 
whats the post-II acceptance rate here (how many do they interview, how many A?)
 
Sterlinyx said:
It's abysmal. 1060 IIs, 219 As for a total of a 20.7% post-II rate
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Is it even that high? They only have around 100 seats, and I thought their yield nowadays was way above 50%. I think it's closer to 150 As.
 
KnightDoc said:
Is it even that high? They only have around 100 seats, and I thought their yield nowadays was way above 50%. I think it's closer to 150 As.
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It's data from TheDataKing's USNWR data spreadsheet. Students who get into NYU probably get into other T20s or so with strong financial aid packages
 
Sterlinyx said:
It's data from TheDataKing's USNWR data spreadsheet. Students who get into NYU probably get into other T20s or so with strong financial aid packages
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Okay, but still. You explained why the yield is not 100%, but not why it's 50%. I'm just going by what was reported last year in the NYU thread.

They initially issued exactly one A for every seat in the class, and I think it was reported that they went around 50 deep in the WL. This makes sense if the yield is around 65%, which seems reasonable given that NYU is T10, not T20, and that everyone receives full tuition with select people receiving more. How many of those people are receiving comparable packages at comparable schools, and how many people actually prefer NYU even with a comparable package elsewhere? USNWR data could be dated, as I'm sure the yield was much lower prior to 2018.
 
KnightDoc said:
Okay, but still. You explained why the yield is not 100%, but not why it's 50%. I'm just going by what was reported last year in the NYU thread.

They initially issued exactly one A for every seat in the class, and I think it was reported that they went around 50 deep in the WL. This makes sense if the yield is around 65%, which seems reasonable given that NYU is T10, not T20, and that everyone receives full tuition with select people receiving more. How many of those people are receiving comparable packages at comparable schools, and how many people actually prefer NYU even with a comparable package elsewhere? USNWR data could be dated, as I'm sure the yield was much lower prior to 2018.
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I'm not sure what you're asking...that NYU lied when they submitted admissions data to USNWR? A 50% yield is not uncommon for medical schools and is actually higher than many. NYU's main pull is its financial aid. It was nowhere near where it is in rankings or stats until very recently.

This isn't an educated guess from USNWR or me making up numbers, it's data directly provided by the medical school. This data is, I believe, from the 2018-2019 cycle. I'm positive that applicants who qualify for admission to NYU have more than enough options from excellent schools and that many factors will sway their decision besides money.
 
KnightDoc said:
Okay, but still. You explained why the yield is not 100%, but not why it's 50%. I'm just going by what was reported last year in the NYU thread.

They initially issued exactly one A for every seat in the class, and I think it was reported that they went around 50 deep in the WL. This makes sense if the yield is around 65%, which seems reasonable given that NYU is T10, not T20, and that everyone receives full tuition with select people receiving more. How many of those people are receiving comparable packages at comparable schools, and how many people actually prefer NYU even with a comparable package elsewhere? USNWR data could be dated, as I'm sure the yield was much lower prior to 2018.
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It's just that tuition is free. The cost of living in NYC is NOT cheap and can be a deciding factor. I don't think it is productive to argue about concrete data.
 
Sterlinyx said:
I'm not sure what you're asking...that NYU lied when they submitted admissions data to USNWR? This isn't an educated guess from USNWR or me making up numbers, it's data directly provided by the medical school. This data is, I believe, from the 2018-2019 cycle. I'm positive that applicants who qualify for admission to NYU have more than enough options from excellent schools and that many factors will sway their decision besides money.
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No -- NYU has no reason to lie, and the data makes NYU look less selective, not more. It might be that there is a difference between 2018-19 and 2019-20, which is what I'm anecdotally pulling from on SDN. USNWR doesn't have it yet!

By the way, everyone says more than money goes into the decision, until April rolls around and they are confronted with money issues and schools don't budge.
 
KnightDoc said:
No -- NYU has no reason to lie, and the data makes NYU look less selective, not more. It might be that there is a difference between 2018-19 and 2019-20, which is what I'm anecdotally pulling from on SDN. USNWR doesn't have it yet!

By the way, everyone says more than money goes into the decision, until April rolls around and they are confronted with money issues and schools don't budge.
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Very true but I am more than sure that many schools end up cheaper than NYU simply as a result of cost of living. NYC is hella expensive and a mild financial aid package from a different top school can easily be comparable or cheaper.
 
Sterlinyx said:
Very true but I am more than sure that many schools end up cheaper than NYU simply as a result of cost of living. NYC is hella expensive and a mild financial aid package from a different top school can easily be comparable or cheaper.
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Not that expensive. Maybe it's not well known, but NYU offers highly subsidized housing, which is VERY reasonable for NYC.

Yes, full tuition scholarships in other cities might result in a lower COA, but very few schools offer full tuition merit money to sizable numbers of students, so, believe it or not, NYU is by far the lowest cost T10 option for many people lucky enough to receive an A there. Sure some people might turn it down to be full pay at Harvard, others may choose a Geffen at UCLA, and still others may receive need based aid at a peer school, but many don't.

At the end of the day, we are debating over maybe 50 acceptances one way or the other. I'm going off reports on SDN last year. You're going off two year old USNWR data. Who knows? And, what's the difference whether the post II acceptance rate is 15% or 20%? I was just trying to offer additional information. I'm not sure the actual number matters because, either way, they interview a ton of people and the post II acceptance rate is relatively low.
 
Just thought I’d add that I already interviewed here for this cycle and Dean Rivera said they initially accept ~100 people before January/February, then an additional ~50 from the waitlist later on
 
definitely_chondria said:
Just thought I’d add that I already interviewed here for this cycle and Dean Rivera said they initially accept ~100 people before January/February, then an additional ~50 from the waitlist later on
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!!
 
definitely_chondria said:
Just thought I’d add that I already interviewed here for this cycle and Dean Rivera said they initially accept ~100 people before January/February, then an additional ~50 from the waitlist later on
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+1. The data from 2019-2020 were very different from that from 2018-2019. He said that last year there were 92 spots for MD only (102 total, including MD/PhD) and they had an extremely high yield, accepting as the person above said, just above 100 people for those 92 spots and very few people off the waitlist subsequently.
 
definitely_chondria said:
Just thought I’d add that I already interviewed here for this cycle and Dean Rivera said they initially accept ~100 people before January/February, then an additional ~50 from the waitlist later on
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Did he say how many II they give out? Is it still a ~1000 II? So a 10% post-II acceptance rate?
 
KWGTP said:
Did he say how many II they give out? Is it still a ~1000 II? So a 10% post-II acceptance rate?
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Well, it's actually 15% including WLs that become As, but yeah!
 
yellowranger said:
nakama you are great, really enthusiastic and such but i come across so many threads that you are arguing on for seemingly the sake of arguing
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Thanks for noticing. 😎 Please let me know when I get something wrong, since my primary purpose of engaging here is to learn and to share what I know, rather than to argue for the sake of arguing. And today I learned that the post II acceptance rate at NYU is 15%, not 20%. Plus, I learned nakama! 😎
 
KnightDoc said:
Thanks for noticing. 😎 Please let me know when I get something wrong, since my primary purpose of engaging here is to learn and to share what I know, rather than to argue for the sake of arguing. And today I learned that the post II acceptance rate at NYU is 15%, not 20%. Plus, I learned nakama! 😎
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It's not always about whether you're right or wrong. You can be 100% right and it still doesn't make sense to needlessly create more drama on what is already a neurotic and dramatic platform (and this is from someone who really likes and appreciates SDN). All anyone needs to know about NYU is pretty straightforward (Full disclosure: I know nothing about NYU personally, did not want to attend and did not apply):

  • Yes, free tuition is great! Now read a little more in between the lines.
  • Regardless of subsidized housing, New York is expensive and expenses really need to be thought of in terms of opportunity costs. The only way to compare expenses is side-by-side with two offers. So, if you don't have an offer from NYU and a similar competing offer, what's the point of speculating about this?
  • If you get full tuition at a school with 1/2 the COA at NYU and no more than 10 or 15 rank difference in prestige, you better have a really good reason for picking NYU anyway (personal/family/region, want to live in big city, gunning for specialty that NYU will objectively position you better for, etc.)
  • NYU's rank has fluctuated in recent years, partly because of their free tuition branding. You know what hasn't really changed? The top 5 med schools, which have always fed their own students disproportionately into their own residencies, are pretty similar to how they've always been.
  • Broad acceptance rates, no matter how generous or harsh, make no difference to the outcome of an individual applicant. Knowing that NYU is slightly more competitive than I thought means nothing if I'm still the same applicant whose file they rejected 20 minutes ago. Everyone would be much better served by working on improving their app as much as possible and applying smartly and effectively to places where they would be competitive for and fit in.
  • Last but MOST important point: This may shock some people, but not everyone wants to match into the most competitive specialties or train at "insert competitive program here" (and some people do, which is fine!). Only your goals can determine what is good or bad for you.
 
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Question about thank you letter post interview - interviewed Tuesday but totally forgot to send letter til right now 🙁 Even tho Dean Rivera said it would've been best to send it Tuesday since our files could've been reviewed as of yesterday. Does NYU care a ton about thank you letters, and if so if one comes in a couple days later like mine does that make a difference?
 
opheliamg said:
Question about thank you letter post interview - interviewed Tuesday but totally forgot to send letter til right now 🙁 Even tho Dean Rivera said it would've been best to send it Tuesday since our files could've been reviewed as of yesterday. Does NYU care a ton about thank you letters, and if so if one comes in a couple days later like mine does that make a difference?
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tl;dr: Don't know about NYU specifically, better late than never is a good motto here, and thank you letters are proof of good manners, not of suitability for a career in medicine.

In general, thank you letters make little to no difference on any outcome. The interviewer's impression of you is cemented (and often noted down) during the interview, and even the most beautifully written letter in the world would likely not move the needle. Why? Three reasons:

1) Anybody can write a nice and engaging letter, and it generally does not add much to the rest of your app and the interview itself on why they should accept you.
2) A big part of interviews is to see how you react in an up-close-and-personal setting. What is being assessed is how you come off on the fly, not how you come off after spending several minutes to hours polishing a written piece for maximum impact
3) People lie. How are they to know whether you are or aren't?
 
Does anyone know when NYU is currently scheduling interviews for?
 
Phoenix King said:
your underestimating how rich the average accepted medical student is.
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Sure I am! :laugh: :laugh: That's why their yield shot up from 33% to 66% in two years since going tuition free, and why no one turns down an interview there, even though their post II acceptance rate is now around 15%, including people being accepted off the WL. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I don't know about you, but in my experience, even rich people LOVE free money. Plus, I also don't know too many families that I consider rich who actually consider themselves to be wealthy, so there's that!!!

I never said or implied anything at all about wealth, and am not underestimating anything at all. In fact, if anything, I am overestimating how many students accepted at NYU do not have financial need (aka "rich"), since accepted students with significant financial need would presumably be the ones receiving significant financial assistance elsewhere (aka the 33% not accepting the offer), while the "rich" would presumably be the ones most attracted by an offer of a full tuition merit scholarship. 😎
 
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post-II hold lol. What does this generally mean? Does it equal to a waitlist?
 
What is a post-interview hold? Is that like a "preferred waitlist" sort of situation?
 
skyman89 said:
What is a post-interview hold? Is that like a "preferred waitlist" sort of situation?
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Nope -- it's just a hold. Go look at last year's thread. People reported receiving both Rs and As after being placed on hold. WL is WL. Hold is just no decision, YET. You could definitely still receive an A. Many people did last year.
 
KnightDoc said:
Nope -- it's just a hold. Go look at last year's thread. People reported receiving both Rs and As after being placed on hold. WL is WL. Hold is just no decision, YET. You could definitely still receive an A. Many people did last year.
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wow that's a nailbiter ... good luck to you all!
 
Did anybody who interviewed this week find the link for the student session yet or will they send that out to us later?
 
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